911Blogger website being upgraded - your patience is appreciated
911Blogger is going through a long delayed and much needed site upgrade.
This is why the site may look kind of funky and certain parts of it may not be fully functional at times.
The site will also be taken offline from time to time, as needed.
Once the upgrade is finished the site should load faster and we will be able add greater functionality to the site, as we deem appropriate and useful.
Please use the comments section on this blog to ask questions about the upgrade and feel free to post suggestions. This is YOUR site, too.
We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your patience and forbearance during this site upgrade.
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Be well and make sure to introduce someone new to the truth today, it is the 11th of the month, after all.
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Comment voting
I'm hoping that this gets upgraded to where we can see how many ups and how many downs each comment receives, not just the net total. That's my no. 1 grievance re the site and from talking to others I know I'm hardly the only one. (In the fullest interests of transparency, it would also be helpful to see which people voted each way; that would truly expose the political faction based voting to the sunlight.)
I'll add more suggestions if I can think of some.
Good Suggestions
Agreed.
Agreed
Show up and down vote totals. I'm all for hiding posts that get voted down just to save column space. The posts are still there if you want to read them.
I find the votes useful to see which arguments fly and which ones do not.
Those who don't like the voting can disregard it.
Comment voting
I agree that the ups and downs for each comment should be visible, not just the net total. The reason for this agreement is that there could be enormous interest in a comment, say, dozens of up and down votes, but the net might only read 3 or 4.
So this feature would offer the advantage of reflecting the amount of interest the comment generated.
Show the raw scores, don't hide the unpopular comments
I would prefer that if you are going to retain voting, you make the raw scores visible (I have seen this recently on another blog), and do not hide the unpopular ideas. Unpopularity does not equate to without value. If it did, all of us would be down voted by the world at large - although not as badly as a year ago I hope.
Absolutely agree
I think that if you are willing to put your name next to a comment or on a blog about this stuff, no reason why we shouldn't know how you voted on a particular topic. Let's see who really stands where, not so we can be more divided, but so that we can fill the gaps and create more cohesion and understanding between all of us.
How?
I am curious how that would be displayed...
Example
If there's one thing the gatekeeper Daily Kos gets right, it's its comment voting system.
When you look at a comment, you see this:
Then when you click on the vote totals, you get this:
(Edit: I don't have an account there; those screenshots show how things appear when viewing as a guest.)
See my dialogue with LeftWright below
Perhaps it might be a bit too transparent to have such a system like that of Kos. While I was initially thinking that such a system might work to eliminate grudge-based (i.e. faction) voting, in reality the political voting would probably continue, just in the open, and it could be a net negative and things could turn ugly. (And wouldn't the bad guys love to see that?)
Plus, after all, one of the cornerstones of democracy is that of the "secret ballot."
There seems to be unanimous agreement that the current system is no good. The real question now is do we have a system showing both totals, or no system at all? The argument in favor of a vote system is to see how much interest a comment generates; simply for curiosity's sake, it's nice to know how many people are involved in the thread. The argument against a voting system is twofold: First, truth should not be a popularity contest. Second, the vote system can bring out the laziness in people, simply clicking on a button to disapprove, rather than take the time to type a reasoned reply to the comment they disagreed with.
Agree
Show up and down votes.
Every day for years I tune into this site. Thanks for being here
Daily, for years, I come to this site. 9/11 is the most important issue of our time. And so this site is one of my first stopping points everyday.
Me too
Amen.
Me too.
Thanks for manning the front lines in the battle for truth.
911 Blogger has been my most frequented site since almost the beginning.
BTW what happened to the "blog post" box that used to be on the left side below "recent headlines?"
"Recent Blog Posts" panel.
I think I got that "blog post" link fixed Phaedrus. Thanks for the feedback. Let me know. Peace.
Thanks for what you do
For the past few years 911Blogger has been my homepage that I see each day. It's really great to see all of the input and articles posted by everyone involved. Allow varying opinions and differing aspects of 9/11 Truth to be discussed because if you are honestly a member of the 9/11 Truth Movement your ultimate goal is that we achieve a new, thorough and "real" 9/11 investigation and that the results lead to the criminal prosecution of those who are actually the perpetrators of this mass murder and treason. (We have enough people trying to divide us. We don't need to do it to ourselves as well.)
Hear, here :) !
Many thanks
agreed as well
best site on the web ...
9/11 Blogger, where would we be without you?
Your value, to human history, as a historical learning process, has been and still is, to this very day, incaculable. We've made a difference, and you have 911Blogger, BIG TIME! Keep up the good work all.
911Blogger
rules. Thanks for keeping us all conected.
To do item
Go to CNN.com where there's a new front page news story about settlements and health benefits for the first responders.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/11/world.trade.center.suit/index.html?hpt=T1
Please do NOT post evidence about 9/11 - that's been done.
Either make a perfectly relevant comment about the first responders need for health benefits, or,
go to this post
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"SeekTruth911"
9/11 was an inside job.
Google "Loose Change: Final Cut" and watch it online for free.
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- and just vote it up, that's all that's required - let's not spam that topic with 9/11 truth info, not this time, let's be respectful k? Thanks.
P.S. I go under the monicur of NewAgeMan there - just made a very simple and I think impactful suggestion, in four words - so we're done our job there I think, so, please, let's not blow it in that discussion, that's important.
But do vote up the 9/11 was an inside job comment by SeekTruth9/11 - which got a LOT of likes (24 and counting) right out of the gate on that topic. Looks like we're having an impact.. ; )
So if you go into that comments section - just be careful and don't screw it up, whatever you do. That's why I say, do not comment, just login in, and vote up that one comment, and otherwise leave it be, but watch the thread, just be restrained. It's funny, but no one's really commenting, they are agog maybe, about how the discussion is unfolding.... Don't Screw That Up.
Heartfelt...
The best way out of a problem is through it. (author unknown)
Thank-you for this blog through which we all travel together.
With great appreciation for ALL that you do,
MB
Leftwright
Leftwright, you are so patient and accepting which is needed with this fiery group of truth-seekers! I may not be "actively" involved right now, yet I am learning so much here at 911blogger. As well as connecting with some lovely, lively and very perceptive people.
The factions here, especially over cit, surprise me....still, when I look at my own family there are plenty of differences and arguing daily. So that's how it will be!
Thanks for being here
lillyann
Get Rid of Voting System
all together. This archaic system has only served to foster enmity betwixt hard liners of various camps within the movement.
Recruit more moderators. Whip out the ban hammer from time to time.
Reduce the amount of non-9/11 related topics being imported here.
Bring us back to the standards we had under the guidance of Reprehensor and DZ.
Disagree but voted up
For the word "betwixt" - one of the few words that can make me chuckle...
Somebigguy???
"Bring us back to the standards we had under the guidance of Reprehensor and DZ."
Not to mention "somebigguy." He was one of the originals as well and I miss him.
i suspect he's still lurking around the blogger "cyber offices" with a new identity.
Or at least keeping an eye on the proceedings from afar.
Zombie has a point
I personally think that no vote system at all would be better than the current one. Though I would prefer a better voting system like the kind I mentioned above.
No vote system would mean that people actually have to... heaven forbid... READ a comment to decide whether or not they like it, rather than be influenced by groupthink from the outset.
If a comment has +3 or -3 points, a reader can see this before s/he even reads the comment and as such, the reader is being "led" a certain way; being told what to think, if you will. Simply being a 9/11 truther doesn't make a person immune to succumbing to groupthink mentality.
Think of any number of times you've been walking down the street, or in the mall, with even just one other person. You're both involved in deep conversation about this or that, and then all of a sudden, one of you says:
"Uh, hang on, where exactly are we going?"
"I don't know, I was following you."
"Well, I was following you!"
Even with just one other person present, our independence is often compromised as we fall into the herd mentality.
Can't say I agree w/r to Reprehensor though. (DZ, otoh, was great.)
He exhibited dictatorial, unilateral control of the site. He became famous for banning people left and right, that at this time 12 months ago, this site's traffic ranking was abysmal and many people in the movement had been thoroughly alienated from blogger; I know several well-meaning activists in person who were banned from here. The sites traffic ranking, and amount of participants, has increased since Rep left. The current moderation team seems more committed to democratic principles.
No Comment Scores
The comment scores are silly - it's like being in school. Most people who write here are intelligent and everything is worth reading. An unpopular opinion is often the most interesting.
Unpopular Comments DO get Read
Unpopular Comments DO get Read
Voting helpful on MSM sites
I'm not sure how helpful the comment scores here because most of us are in agreement on the fundamental issue of getting to the truth about 9/11. On the other hand, when the subject comes up on a MSM news site as here on CBC, it is really heartening to see so many Truth seekers comments voted up and so many OCT supporters comments voted down. This really demonstrates a fundamental change in the opinions of the general public. A few years ago these opinions would be rare, if even allowed by the moderators. Take heart in the fact that the landscape is shifting and stop worrying about a minor issue about up and down voting.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/03/12/compensation-workers.html?ref=rss
voting helps
I like the voting. I like to encourage some and discourage others. I rarely have time to post that thoughtful, constructive comment I want to post, but I do have time to vote up someone who posted the comment I did not have time to post.
When I do post a comment, I get a kick out of how it's voted up or down. Tells me whether or not I need to try another way to get the intended information across. It also gives me insight into the general thinking of the 'active' 911blogger participants. That information affects my own participation in the comments sections, in a positive way.
I see no purpose in hiding any comment, no matter how many down votes it gets.
Peace
Bruno
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