Osama Videos are Irrelevant

• The 9/11 truth movement has said all along that Bin Laden and the hijackers are patsies

• The 9/11 truth movement has said all along that planes could not have been hijacked and flown around the country for countless minutes unless there was a stand down by -- and an overwhelming confusion of -- the military by multiple war games with live-fly hijacking and plane-into-building exercises and false radar injects

• The 9/11 truth movement has said all along that World Trade Center 1, 2 and 7 were brought down by controlled demolition

So even if the newly-released video of Osama and others planning 9/11 is real (all of the previous ones linking Bin Laden to 9/11 were either faked or mistranslated), that doesn't change anything.

They could not have succeeded unless they were tipped off to the fact that multiple, overlapping war games would occur on 9/11.

They wouldn't have gotten anywhere unless the military was stopped from following standard operating procedure on 9/11.

And the Twin Towers (and building 7) still would still be standing today absent controlled demolition.

All of the Osama videos make for emotional, Hollywood-style stunts, but they don't change the fact that 9/11 was an inside job.

that's true... it wouldnt

that's true...

it wouldnt matter

even if they had a movie of osama flying
the planes himself

even if it was in freakin 3d---

---->911 was an inside job

100 percent correct

100 percent correct

we should get all the

we should get all the relevant information together that counters bin Laden's involvement and make a documentary. Include other stuff as well, such as the whole bin Laden family in Washington on 9/11, and Bush admitting no Iraq involvement


We should be exposing the TV Fakery in combination with the controlled demolition.


The mistake of this movement is trying to use the media for 9/11 truth, which can only produce a limited hangout at best. The media ARE the 9/11 criminals and they probably have more tricks up their sleeve like this new Bin Laden Tape to take the legs out from under the 9/11 truth movement. If you are not exposing the medias role in the attacks, you are not telling the truth.


Get with the program people.







i agree with you entirely

my only contention is that most of the people in the 911 truth movement call into question that the Bin Laden in the first video is a fat fake bin laden.
Why is this even mentioned? We already have enough to connect Bush with the bin laden family & CIA/MI5 with his handlers, but all the fake video claims overshadow these in most 911 presentations.

here is the single screen capture you see of the tape in loose change, 911 road to tyranny and others - http://www.robert-fisk.com/tapebinladen.jpg

and here are pictures from the same video tape-

while i believe its possible the video is a fake bin laden, i just dont think its very strong evidence in light of all the other Bin Laden connections we have proof of.
id like to hear other peoples opinions about this.

PS: i realized after the fact that my username is quite misleading. I am *not* a no-planer, I am robbie the video hoaxer who produced the fake beheading video.

War Games Are the Key

Yes! Thanks to George Washington for his stress on the war games. No matter who made the video and no matter what element of truth it may contain, it is the MULTIPLE, SIMULTANEOUS WAR GAMES that allowed the operation to succeed. As far as is now known, there were at least six exercises in progress on that morning (not one, as implied by the cover-up Vanity Fair article). And that is why the lapdog media avoid this topic, and keep baiting us with the WTC red herring. Sure, the towers were brought down in a controlled demolition, but we don't have to knock ourselves out trying to prove it. We already know that Bush is lying because even after five years all his propaganda artists working together haven't been able to come up with a timeline that holds water. Now is the time to push in this direction. Demand answers about the war games!

they ARE relevant

they are just as relevant as any other LIE STORY the govt. is telling us. If there is anything found to be false of the theories the govt. supports, such as the Pentagon plane or the Shanksville plane, that means they have defended the real perps all the time, and that makes a damn good case for them to have done it themselves.

Kinda looks like the fatty bin-Laden...

Osama looks like the fatty bin-Laden in this CNN still: http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/09/07/alqaeda.911/newt1.alqaedat...
Then, in another scene of the video, it looks like the real bin-Laden. What's up?

Here's fatty bin-Laden again

looks like from the 2004

looks like from the 2004 'October surprise' Bin Laden tape.
Also strange how the video quality changes all the time, from scene to scene.

How much proof do you

How much proof do you stooges need?

9/11 could not have

9/11 could not have happened without Pakistani ISI and Saudi royal funding and help, nor the FBI and NORAD and embassy heads standing down...something the retarded "theory skeptics" don't seem to grasp.

Tv fakery does nothing to help prove the case to the public

plain and simple, it's not what's going to wake them up even if it is true. you don't introduce a 3rd grader to multiplication by starting him off with powers.

But the video shows dust from the tower collapse!!!!

When one of the hijackers appear on screen,you can clearly see in the background the towers and in a leter segment the dust-collapse.

How is this possible, if the video was planned BEFORE 9/11???

You people are sad. TV

You people are sad. TV fakery? I would hate experience your minds. Apparently you didn't take the class debunking Cartesian radical skepticism. Do you believe that people you see in front of you are really there? Unfortunately there's no IQ test before one is allowed to use the internet- you're worse than the O. J. jury. Why would any videos need to be faked if the administration is in cahoots with the family?

None of what you wrote makes sense.

None of what you wrote makes a bit of sense. We are only interested in what the trutn actually is, not what we want it to be. When you take a position that new factual evidence is irrelevant to what you believe, you are only demonstrating that your position is one of propaganda.

Smile and ignore them and hope for more of the same

Hope that they make more of these videos. They are funny and very entertaining. Karl is pushing the button and nothing is happening. The bilge pumps are running but they're starting to fill the ship with water.

Smile and ignore them and hope for more of the same

Hope that they make more of these videos. They are funny and very entertaining. Karl is pushing the button and nothing is happening. The bilge pumps are running but they're starting to fill the ship with water.

Osama Claus

Stick a beard on a white guy at Christmas time and he becomes Santa Claus.

Stick a beard on an Arab guy in September and he's Osama Claus. He flies around in a 767 pulled by 19 terrorists with red noses (from drinking the night before). He slides down the chimney and blows up your living room.

Which is why you need to install an anti-terrorism devise in your home. Let Dick Cheney personally monitor every phone call, email and AIM that you participate in. Because Christmas only happens once a year, but Osama Claus Day can happen any day!

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are these fake videos?


...stupid thories sayin 9/11 atacks are inside job are a joke.

You people who are already anti-Bush are just looking for more things to feed your hatred.

These videos are just another proof that al-Qaeda is behind the 9/11 attacks. I don't know what it takes to maaake you understand that. Maybe another terrorist attack in U.S. soil? Let's hope not for God sake.

Regarding the 'fake' fat bin

Regarding the 'fake' fat bin Laden video linked here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/2618 here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/3159 and here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/6317

I have just read your article:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html and this one: http://www.911myths.com/html/fake_video.html

You might find this interesting: http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id372.html ('Taking the fat out of the fat bin Laden confession video' by Ed Haas)

Even Islamists argue that it is real: http://revolution.thabaat.net/?p=791

But I write the below to show that this tape is still important in the media/government misinformation reporting:

We may have been duped on the "Fatty Bin Laden" front. HOWEVER, The problem is that knowing the video is REALLY Bin Laden doesn't "hurt" anything for us. Once you dig into it, you actually see how audio was manipulated and frames were missing or deleted.

Many experts have come to that conclusion. THAT is why they don't want attention on it. They don't want questions into... 1) what sting operation was going on and why does the camera pan in third person?
1a) Sting operation: so they knew where he was but chose to let him go and invade anyway.
2) If it was a sting or information gathering session, where did Osama go, and what was the nature of the operation.
3) What was REALLY discussed on the film, and who was responsible for the false interpretation.
4)Why the vague description and cutaways when discussing relevant parts.
5) And my personal observed anomaly....who or what is "MOTHER".
6) The taping was a sting operation that involved U.S. and Saudi and/or Pakistani intelligence – which means that the United States had Osama bin Laden in its sights prior to the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan but passed on capturing or killing him in favor of invading. This is paramount! If bin Laden would have been captured or killed prior to the invasion of Afghanistan there would have no justification remaining to invade Afghanistan. If the independent media can further substantiate the actual taping date and that the taping was indeed part of a sting operation – what we will have on our hands is a provably case of high treason against the Bush Administration that will not be easily dismissed.
We gotta stop hanging this one out there, Mike Rivero and many others were wrong on this, but it doesn't change anything. It's proven misinfo and the new facts should be focused on.
It may be real, and Osama may be real in it. However, this still remains a problem regarding it - Osama is real but audio is wrong, video is chopped, etc.

Regarding the controversial above tape, on December 20, 2001, German TV channel “Das Erste” broadcast its analysis of the White House’s translation of the videotape. On the program “Monitor”, two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House’s translation to be not only inaccurate, but also manipulative saying “At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic” and that the words used that indicate foreknowledge can not be heard at all in the original Arabic.

Prof. Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the Asia-Africa Institute at the University of Hamburg said “The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it.”: http://web.archive.org/web/20021218105636/www.wdr.de/tv/monitor/beitraeg...

Researchers in Switzerland have questioned the authenticity of the recent audio recording attributed to Osama Bin Laden: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2526309.stm

Arabist Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini stated: “This translation is very problematic. At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic.”

Even if we were wrong on this one, there is STILL overwhelming evidence that this tape has been misused (as shown in bits by the media and government) based on the above, even if it is genuine - but the new evidence is when it is watched in full.

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