Israel - By Paul Thompson

Transcribed From "The Terror Timeline" - Chapter 14

Jon Gold

[Note from George Washington: Don't you dare call this post anti-semitic. If you think 9/11 truthers are anti-semitic, read this.]

Earlier today, I had a thought. "Where is the Israeli 9/11 Truth Movement"? You would think the people of Israel are aware of the allegations towards their Government regarding 9/11. Aren't they curious as to why? After that thought, I, myself, wanted to see everything regarding Israel and 9/11. Aside from the "Dancing Israelis". So, I picked up Paul's book. I'm posting this so everyone has a clear understanding as to why Israel and 9/11 are often mentioned in the same breath.

Please remember that Israel is a country, and Judaism is a religion. If Israel had something to do with 9/11, that DOES NOT mean you blame ALL jews....We don't agree with the actions of our Government. I'm sure if the truth were told, the Israelis would not agree with the actions of theirs. This posting is NOT meant to be anti-semitic. I am Jewish, and respect the religion completely.

All of this is available online at , and since this book was published, there have been several updates in regards to Israel.

There is a large amount of evidence that fundamentalist Muslims played important roles in the 9/11 attacks, such as the many warnings and examples of foreknowledge coming out of Afghanistan. The U.S. and Israel have been al-Qaeda's prime targets. Indeed, U.S. support of Israel is a primary reason al-Qaeda purports to have targeted the U.S. So any theories indicating an active Israeli role in 9/11 seem utterly preposterous.

Yet there may be some connection between Israel and 9/11. Multiple reports and U.S. government documents have indicated that, at a minimum, in the months before and after 9/11, a peculiar group of Israelis were living in cities and towns across the U.S. Posing as art students, these individuals were observed conducting surveillance of multiple federal buildings in the U.S., and seeking contacts with agents from multiple federal agencies, including the DEA and FBI. Many of the "students" were active or former Israeli military personnel with intelligence expertise. At least some of these "students" lived down the street from hijacker Mohammed Atta and three of his associates in Florida prior to 9/11. More than 100 of these "students" were deported prior to 9/11, and up to 60 were deported afterward. Although the U.S. government has consistently maintained that these individuals were deported for routine visa violations, internal documents leaked to the press indicate that at least some in the government suspected the students were part of an Israeli spy ring. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ]

The most common theory offered to explain this story is that the spies were assisting the U.S.'s counter-terrorism efforts, and that they actually warned the U.S. of the pending attack based on the intelligence they obtained, including names of some of the hijackers, in the weeks prior to 9/11.

Another theory is that the spies were in the U.S. for entirely different purposes, wholly unrelated to 9/11. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] Most controversially, some suggest that Israel knew about the 9/11 attacks but failed to warn the U.S., or even that Israel itself was behind the attacks. [ REUTERS, 9/11/03; NEW JERSEY STAR-LEDGER, 12/29/03 ]

Although some news outlets have reported on this alleged Israeli "art student spy ring," such stories have generally failed to garner front-page coverage. The case of one Israeli spy in the U.S., Jonathan Pollard, probably generated more news coverage when he was arrested about 15 years earlier than the news coverage hundreds of "art student" spies combined have generated. Fox News gave into pressure and pulled its ground-breaking story on the spy ring from its website, and anonymous U.S. officials have warned that to speak of the topic could endanger their careers.

The actions of the Mossad, Israel's spy agency, are shrouded in secrecy and often hard to fathom. Ephraim Halevy, head of the Mossad at the time of 9/11, claims, "Not one big success of the Mossad has ever been made public." [ CBS NEWS, 2/8/03 ] As with other issues related to 9/11, the purpose of this book is not to theorize, or speculate, but to compile the facts as they are known to date, based on what has been reported on this issue. The "art student spy ring" story remains one of the most baffling of the many 9/11 mysteries.

January 2000: Israeli Spy Ring Begins Penetrating US
A DEA government document later leaked to the press [ DEA report, 6/01 ] suggests that a large Israeli spy ring starts penetrating the US from at least this time, if not earlier. This ring, which will later become popularly known as the “art student spy ring,” is later shown to have strange connections to the events of 9/11. [ Insight, 3/11/02 ]

February 6, 2000: Apparent Mossad Attempt to Infiltrate al-Qaeda Thwarted
India's largest Newsweekly reports that it appears a recent Mossad attempt to infiltrate al-Qaeda failed when undercover agents were stopped on their way to Bangladesh by Indian customs officials. These 11 men appeared to be from Afghanistan, but had Israeli passports. One expert states, “It is not unlikely for Mossad to recruit 11 Afghans in Iran and grant them Israeli citizenship to penetrate a network such as bin Laden's. They would begin by infiltrating them into an Islamic radical group in an unlikely place like Bangladesh.” [ The Week, 2/6/00 ]

April 19, 2000: Reports Indicate Israeli Organized Crime Units Dominate Ecstasy Distribution
USA Today reports that “Israeli crime groups ... dominate distribution” of Ecstasy. [USA Today, 4/19/00] The DEA also states that most of the Ecstasy sold in the US is “controlled by organized crime figures in Western Europe, Russia, and Israel .” [UPI, 10/25/01] According to DEA documents, the Israeli “art student spy ring” “has been linked to several ongoing DEA [Ecstasy] investigations in Florida, California, Texas, and New York now being closely coordinated by DEA headquarters.” [ Insight, 3/11/02 ]

December 2000-April 2001: Israeli Investigators Deported After Identifying Two Hijackers
According to later German reports, “a whole horde of Israeli counter-terror investigators, posing as students, [follow] the trails of Arab terrorists and their cells in the United States. ... In the town of Hollywood, Florida, they [identify] ... Atta and Marwan Alshehhi as possible terrorists. Agents [live] in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock.” Supposedly, around April, the Israeli agents are discovered and deported, terminating the investigation. [ Der Spiegel, 10/1/02 ]

March 23, 2001: DEA Issues Alert to Look Out for Israeli Spies
The Office of National Drug Control Policy issues a National Security Alert describing “apparent attempts by Israeli nationals to learn about government personnel and office layouts.” This later becomes known through a leaked DEA document called “Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities.” A crackdown ensues and by June, around 120 Israelis are apprehended. More are apprehended later. [ DEA report, 6/01 ]

June 2001: DEA Draws Up Report on Israeli Spies
The DEA's Office of Security Programs prepares a 60-page internal memo on the Israeli “art student spy ring.” [ DEA report, 6/01 ] The Memo is a compilation of dozens of field reports, and was meant only for the eyes of senior officials at the Justice Department (of which the DEA is adjunct), but it is leaked to the press around December 2001. The report connects the spies to efforts to foil investigations into Israeli organized crime activity involving the importation of the drug Ecstasy. The spies also appear to be snooping on top-secret military bases. For instance, on April 30, 2001, an Air Force alert was issued from Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma City concerning “possible intelligence collection being conducted by Israeli art students.” Tinker AFB houses AWACS surveillance craft and Stealth bombers. By the time of the report, the US has “apprehended or expelled close to 120 Israeli nationals” but many remain at large. [ Le Monde, 3/5/02; Salon, 5/7/02 ] An additional 20 or so Israeli spies are apprehended between June and 9/11. [ Fox News, 12/12/01 ]

August 8-15, 2001: Israel Reportedly Warns of Major Assault on the US
At some point between these dates, Israel warns the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent. [ Fox News, 5/17/02 ] Reportedly, two high-ranking agents from the Mossad come to Washington and warn the FBI and CIA that from 50 to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning “a major assault on the United States.” They say indications point to a “large scale target,” and that Americans would be “very vulnerable.” They add there could be Iraqi connections to the al-Qaeda attack. [ Daily Telegraph, 9/16/01; Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01; Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01 ] The Los Angeles Times later retracts its story after a CIA spokesperson says, “There was no such warning. Allegations that there was are complete and utter nonsense.” [ Los Angeles Times, 9/21/01 (B) ] Other newspapers do not retract it.

August 23, 2001: Mossad Reportedly Gives CIA List of Terrorist Living in US; at Least Four 9/11 Hijackers Named
According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known, and these four will be 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [ Die Zeit, 10/1/02; Der Spiegel, 10/1/02; BBC, 10/2/02; Ha'aretz, 10/3/02 ] The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its “art student spy ring.” Yet apparently, this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and the information is not passed on to the FBI. It is unclear whether this warning influenced the decision to add Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. [Der Spiegel, 10/1/02] Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US. [ Ha'aretz, 10/3/02 ]

September 4, 2001: Mossad Gives Another Warning of Major, Imminent Attack
“On or around” this day, the Mossad give their “latest” warning to the US of a major, imminent attack by al-Qaeda, according to sources close to Mossad. One former Mossad agent says, “My understanding is that the warning was not specific. No target was identified. But it should have resulted in an increased state of security.” US intelligence claims this never happened. [ Sunday Mail, 9/16/01 ]

September 4, 2001: Israeli Company Moves Out of WTC
The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moves their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. [ Virginian-Pilot, 9/4/01 ] Zim announced the move and its date six months earlier. [ Virginian-Pilot, 4/3/01 ] More than 200 workers had just been moved out; about ten are still in the building making final moving arrangements on 9/11, but escape. [ Jerusalem Post, 9/13/01; Journal of Commerce, 10/18/01 ] The move leaves only one Israeli company, ClearForest, with 18 employees, in the WTC on 9/11. The four or five employees in the building at the time manage to escape. [ Jerusalem Post, 9/13/01 ] One year later, a Zim ship is impounded while attempting to ship Israeli military equipment to Iran; it is speculated that this is done with the knowledge of Israel . [ Agence France-Presse, 8/29/02 (B) ]

September 11, 2001: Two Hours Before Attacks, Israeli Company Employees Receive Warnings
Two employees of Odigo, Inc., an Israeli company, receive warnings of an imminent attack in New York City about two hours before the first plane hits the WTC. Odigo, one of the world's largest instant messaging companies, has its headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo Research and Development offices where the warnings were received are located in Herzliyya, a suburb of Tel Aviv. Israeli security and the FBI were notified immediately after the 9/11 attacks began. The two employees claim not to know who sent the warnings. “Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. [Alex] Diamandis [Odigo vice president of sales and marketing] said it was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.” [ Ha'aretz, 9/26/01; Washington Post, 9/27/01 (C) ] Odigo claims the warning did not specifically mention the WTC, but the company refuses to divulge what was specified, claiming, “Providing more details would only lead to more conjecture.” [ Washington Post, 9/28/01 ] Odigo gave the FBI the Internet address of the message's sender so the name of the sender could be found. [ Deutsche Presse-Agenteur, 9/26/01 ] Two months later, it is reported that the FBI is still investigating the matter, but there have been no reports since. [ Courier Mail, 11/20/01 ]

September 11, 2001: Israeli Special-Ops Passenger Shot or Stabbed by Hijackers?
An FAA memo written on the evening of 9/11, and later leaked, suggests that a man on Flight 11 was shot and killed by a gun before the plane crashed into the WTC. The “Executive Summary,” based on information relayed by a flight attendant to the American Airlines Operation Center, stated “that a passenger located in seat 10B [Satam Al Suqami] shot and killed a passenger in seat 9B [Daniel Lewin] at 9:20 am.” (Note that since Flight 11 crashed at 8:46, the time must be a typo, probably meaning 8:20). A report in Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz on September 17 identifies Lewin as a former member of the Israel Defense Force Sayeret Matkal, Israel's most successful special-operations unit. [ UPI, 3/6/02 ] Sayeret Matkal is a deep-penetration unit that has been involved in assassinations, the theft of foreign signals-intelligence materials, and the theft and destruction of foreign nuclear weaponry. Sayeret Matkal is best known for the 1976 rescue of 106 passengers at Entebbe Airport in Uganda. [ New Yorker, 10/29/01 ] Lewin founded Akamai, a successful computer company, and his connections to Sayeret Matkal remained hidden until the gun story became known. [ Guardian, 9/15/01 ] FAA and American Airline officials later deny the gun story and suggest that Lewin was probably stabbed to death instead. [ UPI, 3/6/02; Washington Post, 3/2/02 (B) ] Officials assert that the leaked document was a “first draft,” and subsequently corrected, but declines to release the final draft, calling it “protected information.” However, an FAA official present when the memo was drafted will dispute the FAA's claim, asserting that “[t]he document was reviewed for accuracy by a number of people in the room, including myself and a couple of managers of the operations center.” [ World Net Daily, 3/7/02 ]

September 11, 2001: Five Israelis Arrested for Puzzling Behavior near WTC
Five Israelis are arrested around 4:30 pm for “puzzling behavior” related to the WTC attacks: filming the burning WTC from the roof of their company's building near Liberty State Park, New Jersey, then shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery. A neighbor spotted them and called the police and the FBI. The police tracked them down in a van with the words “Urban Moving Systems” written on the side. [ Bergen Record, 9/12/01; Ha'aretz, 9/17/01 ] One man was found with $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, another had two passports on him, and a box cutter was found in the van. [ ABC News, 6/21/02 ] Investigators say that “[t]here are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted... It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen.” [ Bergen Record, 9/12/01 ] One of these Israelis later says, “our purpose was to document the event.” [ ABC News, 6/21/02 ] The FBI later concludes at least two are Mossad agents and that all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. The FBI interrogates them for weeks. [ Forward, 3/15/02 ] They are held on immigration violation charges, but are released 71 days later. [ ABC News, 6/21/02 ] Their names are later identified as Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, and Yaron Shmuel. [ Forward, 3/15/02 ]

September 11, 2001: Former Israeli Prime Minister: 9/11 Very Good for Israeli-US Relations
Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, when asked what the 9/11 attacks means for relations between the US and Israel , replies, “It's very good.” Then he edits himself: “Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.” [ New York Times, 9/12/01 (C) ] A week later, the Village Voice states, “From national networks to small-town newspapers, the view that America's terrible taste of terrorism will finally do away with even modest calls for the restraint of Israel's military attacks on Palestinian towns has become an instant, unshakable axiom. ... Now, support for Israel in America is officially absolute, and Palestinians are cast once again as players in a global terrorist conspiracy.” [ Village Voice, 9/19/01 ]

September 14, 2001: Head of Shadowy Company Flees US
Dominick Suter, owner of the company Urban Moving Systems, flees the country to Israel . The FBI later tells ABC News, “Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.” Suter has been tied to the five Israeli agents caught filming the WTC attack. The FBI had questioned Suter around September 12, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. However, when the FBI returns a few days later, he is gone. [ Forward, 3/15/02; New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety, 12/13/01; ABC News, 6/21/02 ]

September 29-30, 2001: Suspected Mossad Agents Detained, Released
Police in the Midwest stop six men carrying suspicious documents. They possess photos and descriptions of a nuclear power plant in Florida and the Trans-Alaska pipeline, and have “box cutters and other equipment.” All six have Israeli passports. They are released the same day after their passports are shown to be valid, but before anyone interviews them. The FBI is reportedly furious about their release. [ Miami Herald, 10/3/01; Knight Ridder, 10/31/01; Times of London, 11/2/01 ] The six men may have been Mossad agents. In addition to snooping on the DEA and Islamic militants, some Mossad agents in the “art student spy ring” have been caught trying to break into military bases and other top-secret facilities (see March 23, 2001). [ Salon, 5/7/02 ]

October 16, 2001: Several Arrested for Curious Sears Tower Surveillance
Two men, Moshe Elmakias and Ron Katar, are arrested after being found with a detailed video of the Sears Tower in Chicago. In addition, a woman named Ayelet Reisler is found with them, carrying conflicting identification information. They are arrested for illegal dumping, using a van with the name Moving Systems Incorporated. The video contains extensive zoom in shots of the Sears Tower; it is not known when the video was filmed. [ Philadelphia Mercury, 10/18/01 ]

November 20, 2001: Israelis Who Videotaped WTC Attack Are Released, Deported
The five Israelis arrested on 9/11 for videotaping the WTC attack and then cheering about it (see September 11, 2001) are released and deported to Israel . Some of the men's names had appeared in a US national intelligence database, and the FBI has concluded that at least two of the men were working for the Mossad, according to ABC News. However, the FBI says that none of the Israelis had any advanced knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and they were released as part of a deal between the US and the Israeli government. After their release, they claim to have been tortured. [ Forward, 3/15/02; ABC News, 6/21/02 ]

November 23, 2001: More Israelis Arrested in Wake of 9/11
The Washington Post reports that “[a]t least 60 young Israeli Jews have been arrested and detained around the country on immigration charges since the September 11 attacks, many of them held on US government officials' invocation of national security.” An INS official who requested anonymity says the use of the term “special interest” for Israelis being held in Cleveland, St. Louis, and other places means the case in question is “related to the investigation of September 11th.” [ Washington Post, 11/23/01 ] Most of them are deported. However, Intelligence Online claims that “For the overwhelming majority of the ring's members expelled, there was no problem at all with visas, and in the lists we only found a few minor cases of expired visas."” [ Agence France-Presse, 3/6/02 ]

December 12-15, 2001: News Reports Raises Israeli Spying Questions
Fox News reports, “Investigators within the DEA, INS, and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide.” “A highly placed investigator says there are ‘tie-ins’ between the spy ring and 9/11. However, when asked for details, he flatly refuses to describe them, saying, ‘evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.’ ” The report also reveals that Amdocs, an Israeli company, is recording virtually every phone call in the US and could be passing information on to the Israeli government (similar claims were first raised in 2000 [ Insight, 5/29/00 ] ). Fox News suggests that the position of this company might impede the 9/11 investigation. [ Fox News, 12/12/01 ]

December 16, 2001: Fox News Removes Controversial Story from Website, but Story Nonetheless Makes an Impact
Fox News removes its series on the “art student spy ring” from its website after only two days, in response to pressure from The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) and others. CAMERA suggests the reporter “has something, personally, about Israel . ... Maybe he's very sympathetic to the Arab side.” [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] The head of the ADL calls the report “sinister dangerous innuendo which fuels anti-Semitism.” [ Forward, 12/21/01 ] Yet there does not appear to be any substance to these personal attacks (and Forward later reverses its stance on the spy ring (see March 15, 2002)). Fox News also never makes a formal repudiation or correction about the series. The contents of the series continues to be generally ignored by the mainstream media, but it makes a big impact inside the US government: An internal DEA communiqué from December 18 mentions the Fox report by name, and warns of security breaches in telecommunications as described in the Fox report. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ]

March 5, 2002: Israeli Spies Reportedly Tracked 9/11 Hijackers
It is reported that many spies in the uncovered Israeli spy ring seemed to have been trailing the 9/11 hijackers. At the very least, they were in close proximity. For instance, five Israeli spies are intercepted in the tiny town of Hollywood, Florida, and four 9/11 hijackers are known to have spent time in Hollywood, Florida. [ Le Monde, 3/5/02; Reuters, 3/5/02; Jane's Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02 ] In one case, some Israeli spies lived at 4220 Sheridan Street, only a few hundred feet from where Mohamed Atta was living at 3389 Sheridan Street. Israeli spies appear to have been close to at least ten of the 19 9/11 hijackers. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ]

March 6, 2002: US Officials Deny Existence of Israeli Spy Ring
A Washington Post article, relying on US officials, denies the existence of any Israeli spy ring. A “wide array of US officials” supposedly deny it, and Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden says: “This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months. The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage.” [ Washington Post, 3/6/02 ] The New York Times fails to cover the story at all, even months later. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] By mid-March, Jane's Intelligence Digest, the respected British intelligence and military analysis service, notes: “It is rather strange that the US media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks—the alleged breakup of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA.” [ Jane's Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02 ]

March 11, 2002: Suspected Israeli Students Reportedly Served in Military
A newspaper reports that the DEA study on Israeli “art students” determined the “students” all had “recently served in the Israeli military, the majority in intelligence, electronic signal intercept, or explosive ordnance units.” [ Palm Beach Post, 3/11/02 ]

March 15, 2002: Jewish Magazine Says Israelis Spied in US on Radical Muslims
Forward, a US publication with a large Jewish audience, admits that there has been an Israeli spy ring in the US. [ Forward, 3/15/02 ] This is a reversal of their earlier stance. [ Forward, 12/21/01 ] But, “far from pointing to Israeli spying against US government and military facilities, as reported in Europe last week, the incidents in question appear to represent a case of Israelis in the United States spying on a common enemy, radical Islamic networks suspected of links to Middle East terrorism.” [ Forward, 3/15/02 ]

May 7, 2002: Explosives Detected on Illegal Israelis
A moving truck is pulled over for speeding in the middle of the night in Oak Harbor, Washington, near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. The base is the home of the advanced electronic warfare Prowler jets. A bomb-sniffing dog detects explosives on one of the men and inside the truck. High-tech equipment is then used to confirm the presence of TNT on the gearshift and RDX plastic explosive on the steering wheel. Both men turn out to be Israeli (one with an altered passport) and in the country illegally. [ Fox News, 5/13/02 ] However, the FBI later clears the two men, saying both the dog and the tests just detected false positives from “residue left by a cigarette lighter.” [ Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 5/14/02; Jerusalem Post, 5/14/0 2] The “art student spy ring” frequently uses moving vans as cover, and has been caught spying on the most top secret military bases. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] In a possibly related story, the Seattle FBI office that handled this case will be broken into a few weeks later, and even a room containing evidence will be penetrated. [ Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 7/29/02 ]

May 7, 2002: Sloppy Israeli Spy Ring Could Have Been Smoke Screen
Salon reports on the Israeli “art student spy ring.” All the “students” claim to have come from either Bezalel Academy or the University of Jerusalem. A look in the Bezalel database shows that not a single “art student” appears to have attended school there. There is no such thing as the University of Jerusalem. In fact, the article points out that the sheer sloppiness and brazenness of the spy operation appears to be a great mystery, especially since the Mossad is renowned as one of the best spy agencies in the world. One government source suggests a theory to Salon that the “art students” were actually a smoke screen. They were meant to be caught and connected to DEA surveillance so that a smaller number of spies also posing as art students could complete other missions. One such mission could have been the monitoring of al-Qaeda operatives. [ Salon, 5/7/02 ] Shortly afterwards, a major Israeli newspaper publishes a story about the spy ring, but does not come to any conclusions. [ Ha'aretz, 5/14/02 ]

November 2002: Saudi Interior Minister Blames Jews for 9/11 Attacks
Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef blames Zionists and Jews for the 9/11 attacks. He tells journalists, “Who has benefited from September 11 attacks? I think [the Jews] were the protagonists of such attacks.” Nayef is in charge of the Saudi investigation into the attacks, and some US congresspeople respond to the comments by questioning how strongly Saudi Arabia is investigating the involvement of the 15 Saudi 9/11 hijackers. [ Associated Press, 12/5/02 ]

May 2004: More Israelis Are Arrested in Suspicious Circumstances, Again Traveling in Moving Vans
On May 9, two Israelis are arrested after a high-speed chase in Tennessee. They are found with false documents. [ WYCB, 5/9/04 ] On May 27, two others are arrested after trying to enter an Atlanta military base. Explosives are possibly discovered in their van. [ Kings Bay Periscope, 5/27/04 ]

this better make the front page


that must have taken you like an hour and a half at least jon.

and you cant debate thompsons work.


I've transcribed quite a few chapters in my day. I hate it. However, you really learn the stuff when you do it.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Jon, How Do you

find the links in Search for Israel? Mossad? Or several different searches?

Try this...

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."


that's helpful.

All you need do...

Is click on the Complete 9/11 Timeline, and that has different areas of research... Israel, Flight 77, etc...

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Show "WOW! You've Spent LOTS of Time Researching Israel !!" by Shalom (not verified)

You have no idea what I've researched...

In your wildest dreams, you couldn't begin to imagine what I've researched.

For instance, who within the United States supports Israel more than anybody else?

It's not the Jews. It's the Southern Baptists, Christians, Catholics, etc... who believe Israel needs to be "fruitful and multiply" in order for Jesus to return.

Did you know that there are Christian Zionists as well as Jewish ones?

I am not a "Jew Hater". I'm not a "Nigger Hater". I'm not a "Pollock Hater". I'm not a "Spic Hater". I'm not a "Chink Hater".

You know who I hate? Whoever was responsible for the murder of 2973+ on 9/11. That's who I hate.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

dont take it personally,

dont take it personally, Shaloms job is to go on message boards and shill for mother Israel while calling anyone who dares to expose the crimes of that country and its intelligence agencies a Nazi or an anti-semite.

here is what Shalom does for a living.

Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers

WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.

Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.

Israel’s Foreign Ministry must avoid direct involvement with the campaign but is in contact with international Jewish and evangelical Christian groups, distributing internet information packs.

Amir Gissin, the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s public relations director, said: “The internet’s become a leading tool for news, shaping the world view of millions. Our problem is the foreign media shows Lebanese suffering, but not Israeli. We’re bypassing that filter by distributing pictures showing how northern Israelis suffer from Katyusha rocket attacks.”,,174-2289232,00.html

That being said...

Even with all of this information, I'm still not completely convinced. Did Israel gain from 9/11? You bet your @ss they did. Part of the reason we are over in the Middle East is for the protection of Israel. Ray McGovern said that O.I.L. stands for oil, the protection of Israel, and the logistical placement of bases in that region. Does AIPAC have a ridiculous amount of pull with our Government? You bet your @ss they do. Especially in its' current manifestation. Does AIPAC have a ridiculous amount of pull in regards to our elections? You bet your @ss they do. Does Israel benefit from the billions of dollars we give them, and military apparatus we sell them? You bet your @ss they do. However, the Government of Israel would take an ENORMOUS risk in attacking America itself. An ENORMOUS risk. They would lose their BIGGEST ally in the long run. Unfortunately, there is anti-semitism in the world. Israel can't afford to lose its' protector. It doesn't make sense to me that Israel had something to do with it. I could be wrong. When the truth of 9/11 comes out, and it will... and if Israel had something to do with it, then EVERYBODY would hate "the jews." That's just the way it is... why would they risk such a thing?

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

No dude, no one’s going to

No dude, no one’s going to hate "the Jews", there's a distinction to be made between the scumbags who use real Jews and real Jews. I'll think you'll find that the honest people in the Israeli public will lynch their "leaders", and there’ll be an outpour of real Jewish disgust at Israel’s involvement. It wasn’t Israel alone but they did play a part. Why do you think those freakshows were caught jumping up and down like Israel had just won the world cup or something? You do know what I’m talking about right?

Check this apparent interview with Ariel Sharon dude, this guy was a Nazi pig, in fact I'm going to post this as a blog;

Read this entire....


"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Also man think about it,

Also man think about it, wasn’t 9/11 a big risk for whoever was involved, Israeli or otherwise?

DZ, you didnt ban this fool

DZ, you didnt ban this fool when he repeatedly called me a Nazi for merely mentioning Israel. i told you he would be back to bring more of his hatred/slander. and wouldnt you know it, right on cue, here he is. are you going to ban him now that he has attacked Jon(and the 3 others i told you about)? this guy Shalom is too obvious, get rid of this AIPAC scum already. im begging.

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Tomorrow, I'll probably talk about something else. The information is here for those who choose to read it. I don't think I obsess on Israel at all.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."


Do you agree or disagree that Israel is central to American foreign policy regarding the Middle East?

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I would put Oil central...

Israel after that, but important due to influence of organizations like AIPAC...


Oil, Israel, Logistical placement of bases in that region for future use.


"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

What part of...

Please remember that Israel is a country, and Judaism is a religion. If Israel had something to do with 9/11, that DOES NOT mean you blame ALL jews....We don't agree with the actions of our Government. I'm sure if the truth were told, the Israelis would not agree with the actions of theirs.

...don't you understand?

This part...

Please remember that Israel is a country, and Judaism is a religion. If Israel had something to do with 9/11, that DOES NOT mean you blame ALL jews....We don't agree with the actions of our Government. I'm sure if the truth were told, the Israelis would not agree with the actions of theirs.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

To Jon

Well, I don't know. With regard to Jews and Mossad, Mossad was apparently 1 of 11 foreign intelligence services to warn the CIA about 9-11. People say the warnings were not very specific - but why should they have been more specific when Mossad probably knew that the CIA was MIHOP? Warn the CIA when the CIA were the people pulling this off? That's a joke.

It was interesting to me that Lewin, a James Bond 007 type, would have allowed himself to be knifed or shot by some puny terrorist types. That never made sense to me. I always thought that these Sayeret Maktal (sic?) guys were pretty well trained in self-defense. I suspect that everyone on the 3 planes that hit buildings was probably first gassed to sleep, and then a remote-control piloting module was engaged to do the admirable stunt flying required. This would be the simplest way to do it and would account for lack of pilots calling in distress signals, etc. I suspect that the phone calls from the planes was mostly theater.

Given WTC7, Silverstein would have had to have been involved, and he's Jewish. But that's not to implicate a Jewish conspiracy. Whether he was using the moving company in New York to assemble and plant the demolition charges - that's for a criminal investigation to resolve. But even if he were doing this, this does not necessarily implicate Mossad and "the Israelis", although maybe the evidence trail will lead in this direction.

It is tiring that the 911 movement seems to attract people who are really anti-semitic. But on the other hand, it is frightening how much control the Israeli right wing seems to have over Congress and the press. Certainly 911 worked to the advantage of the Likudniks. And there is a "circle the wagons" mentality even among progressive Jews built by experience from many centuries of persecution. So many Jews may believe that exposing the true perpetrators of 911 is not in their interest.

I do think that it is very important for "righteous Jews" (hey, there are righteous Gentiles, so why not?) to step up to the plate and make themselves heard. For in the long run, the right wingers in Israel and in the US are hurting Israel in the long term. I've enjoyed reading Haaretz for a more balanced picture of how Israelis feel about many issues, including their relationships with Palestinians. But read the answer-back messages and you get a wide spectrum of Israeli nuts and racists, plus the occasional thoughtful post. To some extent, the Jews in Israel are held hostage by the right-wing Messianic nuts in the settlements, many of whom now apparently control the army. A nice parallel to the right wing Christian nuts who empower the current U.S. government.

I was interested (dismayed?) to hear that Rahm Emanuel (was his father really involved in an Irgun assassination back in the 1940s?) was chairing the Democratic National Campaign Commitee and working to support and choose Democratic candidates in the primaries who were relatively pro-Iraq-war. All this suggests that the impending changeover to Democrat control of the House may have little impact.


Reminded me of Lewin tonight. John Judge was the first one to tell me about him. I don't know what to think. Did he get caught in the middle of the operation? Was he tracking the alleged "hijackers"? I dunno. In regards to having everyone "gassed to sleep", I believe it was Stanley Hilton who originally said that. He said he had documentation to prove it. I have never seen that documentation.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans of this Government wholeheartedly, 100% support Israel. It doesn't matter who is in power. Each of them make a point to show AIPAC how supportive they are to the state of Israel.

I very much think the Government of Israel mirrors our current Government. Olmert has repeatedly asked the United States to take care of Iran. He asked the Congress not too long ago.

Meanwhile, Iran probably doesn't have any Nuclear Weapons, and if they did, it was either because the CIA gave them the plans for a bomb a while back, or AQ Khan gave them the plans. AQ Khan, who is currently living under house arrest, and dying from cancer I believe, in Pakistan.

If the Democrats take back the House and the Senate, and don't immediately call for real investigations into 9/11, the Iraq War, The Patriot Act I & II, etc... then the people will have a decision to make I think.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Maybe Lewin isn't dead? 

Maybe Lewin isn't dead?  There are alot of people on those flights that have very specialized work experience, from Special-Ops to Military Tech...

Was his remains ever recovered? 

I dunno...

It's one of those things that can't be answered.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I'm still trying to understand why Atta would check a bag...

that gave away all the "hijackers", etc...

Luckily for the FBI this bag didn't make it on the flight.

That, to me, is strange.

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Maybe if you put it in all caps...


Or does that just look bad?


Notice I only cap words that I want to emphasize... even though I'm sure you're only joking.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

You're right, it's just a lark...

but you do wonder, don't you, what it's going to take to get though?

I ALWAYS feeI must start any discussion involving Israel's misbehavior with a simular parenthetical or else risk being called an anti-semite.

It's bloody ridiculous

The odd thing is, if anyone

The odd thing is, if anyone is an Anti-Semite its the Bush Regime.

Anti-Semitic means against the semites, which INCLUDES Arabs.

They need to come out with a NeoSpeak Handbook soon so we can all keep up. 

These are very irrational

These are very irrational responses I'm seeing. It seems people are acting like this is the only aspect of this crime we try to investigate on here. There seems to be a sortof ad absurdum method here where if you look for criminal behavior from mosad, then you are immediately a neo nazi. I don't get it... it's possible for a jewish guy who is in moaad to commit a crime right? Is there some special rule where you are never supposed to look for possible crimes there, and if you do you must be a neo nazi?,God forbid a suspect of a crime happen to be jewish. Man, you should hear what we accuse our black ops of here in the cia. Is this really how jewish people respond to things like this?

Look, Shalom,I'm feeling

Look, Shalom,

I'm feeling sorry for you. You must be feeling very much like being cornered and victimized for suspecting "deep inside jew haters" everywhere around you.

All because Jon Gold researched were und under which circumstances "Israeli" traces appear in the 9/11 timeline documents.

Which makes you enlist and outline historical crimes that were perpetrated by Christians and the Vatican against Jews and Muslims (and Christians and Others?).

I've Jewish ancestors as well (one grandfather was a Jew, I'm told by my mother), was raised (unsuccessfully) to be a Christian, but I'm now an Atheist (since I was 15). I don't feel like being a Jew hater, or a Muslim hater, or a Christian hater because of that. (Maybe you will see one in me regardless, should I ever dare to use the I* word in the context of 9/11 or any other "negative" event.)

However! I'm more interested to investigate the crimes of the epoch I'm living in. Which concern me and my life. And which concern my children (I'm a father of 3 boys). Because I've perhaps remotely an influence (a limited one) about those events.

I don't have influence over the Vatican's Macchiavellian instrumentations of the 30s (or over the Crusades of the Middle Ages for that matter, or any other age before I was born), and I don't have influence over what Kain did to Abel (you don't want to debate that, do you?).

Oh, and I do not in any way doubt your figure of "100 million human beings were slaughtered by the Christian nations of Europe". It most likely is correct. (I would take issues with your term "nations" here, but that is a completely different debate, and I'll not follow it.)

I am here because of 9/11 investigations. A crime which took place in my lifetime. And whose perpetrators and whose consequences do make my and many other co-homosapiens lifes a misery.


The Holocaust did happen...

6,000,000 Jews did die.

So did 20,000,000 Russians.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

What a remarkably bigoted statement.

"At the time of Jesus, most of their ancestors were living in caves, foaming at the mouth, and baying at the moon."

Shalom = Bigot

Shalom is clearly the biggest bigot/racist here. His line is pretty much "Everyone does bad things, so don't blame Israel when they do something bad."

"Others on this forum refuse to acknowledge history."

Is questioning the OCT of 9/11 not acknowledging history also, or is pointing out discrepancies and contradictions in history ok? 9/11 has certainly demonstrated that widespread acknowledgement doesn't necessarily equate accuracy or veracity, so what's wrong about revisionism, as long as it adheres to ratio?

That's right, not a thing.

I don't know about their foaming mouths...

I don't know about their foaming mouths, and them living in caves and baying at the moon, being ancestors of today's anti-Zionists. Honestly, I don't. But no way I'm gonna take your word for it.

OTOH, the historical Jesus was a rebel. A freedom fighter. A revolutionist. In his early years, he led a revolt against the then imperialist occupiers of his homeland. These were the Roman Empire's military who had conquered and were occupying Judaea & Gallilee. 't was a kind of early guerilla warfare. His "party" or "army" or "gang" (whatever name you prefer) was a "sect" called the "Essenes" who fought alongside the Zealots against the Roman suppressors. And at the same time he and his followers fought against their native upper class (whose "party" were the "Philistines" and the "High Priests" [the Left Gatekeepers of the time]) who compromised with the Romans against their lower people.

Monty Python and their satirical "Life of Brian" movie does base itself on some historical context. But that may be beyond your perceptive environment...


You Agree: Jesus was a Jew, Living in the State of Israel.. were every single one of his disciples

And I assume you agree, that according to the Gospel, that Jesus was descended from King David, leader of the Kingdom of Israel, whose capital was Jerusalem.

Say the words...

nope, the disciples scattered to preach the gospel

Or so the stroy goes. And the Jesus of history was made to fit the messiah of the Torah so that it would seem like he fulfilled prophecy. I'm not anti-Christian for saying so, I would prefer people follow the real teachings of the MAN who did in fact (as we have been taught) rail against greed and hypocrisy and corruption and imperialism.

And to be blunt, Shalom, the Torah itself borrowed heavily from Sumerian legends if I'm not mistaken. Trying to justify the existence of the Zionist state and the location of its capital with reference to historical fairy tales is a bit of a stretch. Also, pretending that most Jews in Israel are descended from anyone in the middle east is also insincere, since most Jews today are Ashkenazi, not Sephardic, i.e. descended from central asian Kazhars who converted to Judaism which their king picked over Islam and Christianity.

But what does any of this have to do with the Zionist state's intelligence agency being in New York on 9/11 photgraphing themselves celebrating and also blaming Palestinians for the tragedy? Maybe if you could just honestly face the issue you wouldn't have to live in fear of being thought of as dishonest. Maybe if Israelis like everyone else in the world but especially Muslims could be pressured into self-examination once in a while, some of the accusations that get people accused of anti-semitism might well be made by Israelis themselves, just as we Americans know when to NOT support our leaders.



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shalom take a hike you stupid ADL shill

We know

We know

We know

Yes we know you know, it's why you lurk around every forum you can to try and attack anyone who has anything bad to say about your precious mossad. You aren't about protecting jews from being defamed, your about protecting the israeli government. A government that treats orthodox jews as bad as palestinians.


No one is forgivng what the catholic church did here. As a christian I'm ashamed to say that christians have been in a competition with muslims the last 5 millenia to see who can kill the most innocent people. I know all about the jesuits and all their dirty little secrets as well. But that's not what this thread was about.


Shalom, Jon Gold is not a Jew Hater, he's Jewish.

Nobody here is denying any of these other atrocities.

If I see you calling anyone a Nazi or "Jew Hater" here again for no apparent reason (other than to stir things up), you will be banned.

i cant wait. because we all

i cant wait. because we all know he can stop himself from doing that. ive provided dz with at least 5 examples.

Shalom, Sigh

If a person of a particular religion is suspected of a serious crime, one would expect that they should be investigated; to not investigate them would be a crime in itself. A religion itself is not implicated because of a criminal’s choice of religion. You know this. Therefore, to exonerate a criminal solely because of his particular religion is a crime.

If you are truly against holocausts, then speak up against the currant holocaust, the Muslim Holocaust. Your holocaust was many years ago and should be recognized for what it was. And that should make us all very cognizant of what a holocaust looks like so one will never happen again and so we can stop a holocaust in progress. A clear indication of a holocaust is when the bodies start stacking up. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

Shalom, the world is threatened by right wing whackos, whether they be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or Satanists; Russian, Chinese, German or British; black, white, yellow or brown. You know that. They all do the same thing.

Just look at who's doing the mass killings. It doesn't matter what you call them. They all do the same thing. They kill, they take away liberties, they are fanatic nationalists, fraudulent elections, supremacy of the military, identification of enemies as scapegoats for a unifying cause. controlled mass media, obsession with crime and punishment. History is completely transparent about this.

You can call Hitler a fascist, a socialist, a socialite or a saint. That doesn't change what he was; an extreme right wing whacko. It’s the same with Stalin, Pol Pot or Genghis Khan. Bad things are done by some people in all religions, races, nations and people in general. Right? These are facts. This is concrete proof. Just add up the number of innocent dead people throughout history and you can see the absolute proof yourself.

So you have some questions to ask yourself. Do you support holocaust or do you reject holocaust. Is holocaust wrong for just some or is it wrong for everyone. What will the children say about the Muslim Holocaust? Are you morally strong enough to stand against all holocaust?


It is easy enough to be friendly to one's friends. But to befriend the one who regards himself as your enemy is the quintessence of true religion. The other is mere business. ~ Mohandas Gandhi

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? ~ Mohandas Gandhi

LOL, you think Lord

LOL, you think Lord Rothschild is Sephardic Shalom? That muthafuka and most of the other scumbags running Israel are of East European descent! A true Semitic Jew is more closely related to a Semitic Palestinian than those devils who run Israel! A SCUMBAG IS A SCUMBAG "JEWISH" OR NOT, PERIOD!

What an assclown.


wow, you obviously suffer from jehova's complex. don't worry dude, just b/c Israel is tied to fishy activities surrounding the 9/11 attacks, it doesn't mean the people that recognize this are jew haters.

exactly, nor that any Jew anywhere or Israeli for that matter

condones what Israel may or may not have done. Of course a number probably would, but that wouldn't say as much about Jews as it would about some people just being evil, which is equal opportunity. Just like when some muslims cheered when they thought Osama was behind it--they could care less who was killed--their side scored some blood points. The sad thing is when anti-Islamists point to those ignorant fools as some kind of proof that muslims orchestrated 9/11. If that made any sense then the dancing Israelis wouldn't have had to be within view of the towers to be considered suspects--they could have cheered from Tel Aviv. Now why were THEY cheering is the question--do THEY hate America? Why WERE they in New York "documenting the attack"?


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>>>I could fill up a 1,000

>>>I could fill up a 1,000 pages with the REALLY BAD things Catholics and Protestants have done

So could I, but in regards to the present invasion of Iraq it wouldn't have much relevance. The nominal position maintained by the Catholic Church is that the Iraq war was wrong:

While I don't regard the Papacy as the best source of opposition to the invasion of Iraq, at least they do maintain a nominal critique of it. By contrast, AIPAC has supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq:

Obviously if we wish to fire the shots at those who are guilty in the present-day crime, AIPAC is a more logical place to start looking for a culprit than the Papacy.

The main power of the Catholic Church was by and large broken a good while back the great dragon-slayers Copernicus and Galileo. Now people like Germar Rudolf are presently in the role of Galileo when coming into conflict with the Hoaxoco$t Church:

Eventually history will remember people like Rudolf as among the great heroes who demolished the church of the late 20th century and stood up for scientific truth in the tradition of Copernicus and Galileo.

>>>the Vatican negotiated a

>>>the Vatican negotiated a Concordat with Hitler, which was in force throughout WWII, and the Cardinal who negotiated the pact was rewarded by becoming Pope "Pius" XIi after the war

Rabbi David G. Dalin has written the first really definitive work on the Papacy's relations with Adolf Hitler. The title is THE MYTH OF HITLER'S POPE: HOW POPE PIUS XII RESCUED JEWS FROM THE NAZIS. Dalin's work discredits all of the previous standard works which try drawing an image of the Pope and Hitler cuddling together.

Excellent, impressive post....

....I especially like your comments that preface it...

I don't know the extent of Israeli involvement in 9/11, if any....but there are things that raise many questions as this post so amply illustrates.....and we can't not look at it, because of gratuitous smears....those smears only make one think harder that there might be Israeli involvement...

And, along the lines of what Jon said, I hope when the truth is exposed, the world won't blame all Americans for the actions of our government, as well....

Off Topic...

Richard Pryor

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."


Make sure you listen to Kevin Barrett take on John Kaminski. Someone who truly is anti-semitic.

Part I

Part II

And there's a surprise guest twice... :)

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Bill Maher's panel agrees,

the Jews didn't do it. Settled.

Hmm that clip seems a little

Hmm that clip seems a little anti- Semetic - the Jews didn't blow up the WTC because it was 'too mechanical' for them... funny how we get labled as antisemites when we embrace the Jewish members of the movement, while the real '911 deniers' can crack jokes about the stuff and get away with it...

It's a good thing irony isn't dangerous in high doses...

South Park on Jew Gold

Good post, but I think the

Good post, but I think the Zionist neocon moles in our own administration also deserve to be mentioned....specifically the little shadow government - the Office of Special Plans (OSP) which is almost entirely staffed with Jews and is 100% Zionist.

The OSP is specifically who forged the Niger yellowcake documents to LIE us into War with Iraq. They are also behind the ousting of Valerie Plame - which is also connected. And they are behind the AIPAC Spy Scandal as well, as Franklin worked under Perle/Feith in the DOD...and both Perle and Feith conveniently resigned after AIPACs HQ got raided by the FBI. And all of these people were involved in the writing of PNAC / A Clean Break.

Perle (worst neocon of them all), Feith, Wolfowitz, Libby, Ledeen, Rosen (AIPAC employee, PNAC author, indicted in spy scandal), Weissman (AIPAC, also indicted), Cheney (x-tian Zionist) etc...these are the Zionists in the Administration who everybody should be focusing on. They've gotten themselves into lots of trouble and they are the ones who have been planning War with Iraq/Iran for a long time and wanted to take out Saddam. And the spying and links to Israel are obvious. This is very serious stuff.

We can only hope these guys make it to trial and the underlings start ratting on the big fish. The chain could be exposed all the way to the top. Franklin already cut a deal and got 12 yrs in jail. Rosen and Weissman's trials have been pushed back 3 times already, but they should get nailed soon. Libby is set for January and that might lead to Cheney. I think these guys have dug themselves a hole too big to get out of...the cabal is cracking. I just hope they fall before their (Mossad and her American associates) next false flag attack framing Iran and Syria. We can't let these traitors start another bullshit war.

OT: Fetzer on O'Reilly

On today's Stadtmiller show, he had on guest J. Fetzer, they're talking about the O'Reilly debacle. Stadt also said he's really impressed with Barrett who sub'd for Fetzer Saturday, and said they're going to offer Barrett an RBN show. Woo hoo, Barrett's da bomb. And as Barrett said Saturday, he's anti-Zionist, believes Israel's illegitimate and should be dismantled. Shalom: your thoughts? (...tiptoes away laughing...)

Show "OK, You Win...You've Tied 9/11 Truth to Anti-Zionism" by Shalom (not verified)

Right you are, mate...guess I'm the one

"As pointed out above, if all the "Truthers" piling on here happened to acknowledge in passing that historically the crimes of the Christian nations of Europe are so far beyond what Israel can ever be accused of, and even at this moment, that the crimes of the Vatican (DON'T HATE CATHOLICS, JUST HATE THE VATICAN) are responsible for the horrible deaths of MILLIONS of people EVERY YEAR, they would be so much more credible."

Crusades: bad. Inquisition: bad. Witch hunts: bad. Vatican policies of Rat-zinger--I mean his holiness Benedict XVI: bad. And I was raised Catholic; I should know..

"Finally, since it is OK for those who post to this forum to state that Zionists are "scum" and so on, why is it bigotry to denounce anti-Zionists and Holocaust deniers as being uncivilized ?"

Anti-Zionists are against Israel's imperialist policies. Yes, there have been worse empires, but that's not an excuse, sunshine. Holocaust deniers believe the there was no systematic plan by the Third Reich to exterminate the Jews(not Zionists) in Europe. Do you see how these are two different and not neccesarily joined-at -the-hip issues?

" In fact, not one poster to this thread has the deceny to denounce Holocaust deniers...DO YOU THINK THIS WILL GO OVER WELL WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC ? Personally, I can't every expect to convince those who obsess on this subject - but I think unmasking them as a fringe, anti-plane-pod sect should help immunize the 9/11 movement from their damage."

And this is exhibit A of what I was refering to on another thread less than an hour ago--trollish individuals, civil or not, who clog the thread such that any passer by thinks Truthers are Holocaust deniers, or at least obsessed with it. I hate even writing this because it adds to the problem.

So to wrap it up--I DENOUNCE HOLOCAUST DENIERS, at least the ones who are genuinely pro-Nazi.

Now stop trying to start trouble.

Everyone else: isn't Ratzinger such an apt name, considering? Just say it: RAT-ZINGER!

"Bugger this; I want a better world."

I Salute the Colonel...An Officer and a Gentleman.


Good on you...


The Zionists should of just

The Zionists should of just picked New Jersey...

Hmmm: Bonus: they'd be


Bonus: they'd be closer to their mates and money in D.C.
Minus: just a wee bit harder to destablized the middle east from across the pond.

Don't think they'd go for it. But we can dream.

Imperialism is wrong...

Even more so now then ever before. Israel will never have peace as long as a single Palestinian still breaths.

What a mistake it is... In order to survive it must kill and oppress an entire nations population.

And we as a country are lock step in that endeavor...

With all the money we have sent to Israel since Carter, we could have built an artificial island nation the size of present day Israel...

Bah, screw that, I say kick them out and call it Palestine again...

Think About It, Shalom

The real differences around the world today are not between Jews and Arabs; Protestants and Catholics; Muslims, Croats, and Serbs. The real differences are between those who embrace peace and those who would destroy it; between those who look to the future and those who cling to the past; between those who open their arms and those who are determined to clench their fists. ~ William J. Clinton

I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church; for you and I are sons of one religion and it is the spirit. ~ Kahlil Gibran

I did not have sex with that woman, nor did I pardon that man.

Let's not quote Bill Clinton as if he was Gandhi... He is as much responsible for the hatred in the middle east as anyone else who with so much power to do the right things just sold out to the highest bidders like most before him.


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Real Truther

I'm not sure how one posts a quote by anyone "as if he was Gandhi"? I quote people for the content of the quote, not because of who they are. If you have a problem with the content of the quote, I'd be happy to discuss it. I also sometimes quote, Nixon, Hitler and Reagan.

If you would have said "like he was Kahlil Gibran", I maybe would agree, since the Clinton quote was next to the Kahlil Gibran quote.

Anyway, it was prolly some speech writer that wrote that quote anyway, so I'll stand by the content of the quote.


We always obeyed the law. Isn't that what you do in America? Even if you don't agree with a law personally, you still obey it. Otherwise life would be chaos. ~ Gertrude Scholtz-Klink, explaining Nazi policy

Guns make us powerful; butter will only make us fat. ~ Nazi Hermann Goering

I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work. ~ Adolf Hitler

If I could find a way to get [Saddam Hussein] out of there, even putting a contract out on him, … ahh … if the CIA still did that sort of thing, . . . ahh . . . assuming it ever did . . . . . . . . . . I would be for it. ~ Richard Nixon

By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell, and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed. ~ Adolf Hitler

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. ~ Richard Nixon

why attribute such a lovely sentiment to him?

when you admit he prob didn't even come up with it himself? I just don't like people being made to look better than they deserve to, that's all. Quote away!


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>>>Let's not quote Bill

>>>Let's not quote Bill Clinton as if he was Gandhi

Although I certainly never supported the Clinton administration when he was in office, it should be noted that (despite all of its holes) the Oslo Accords were enough to piss off some very powerful people. The Israeli leader Yitzhak Rabin who carried off the Accords was soon assassinated. The Norwegian who oversaw the meetings of the Accords, Jorgen Holst, tied suddenly of an unexpected heart attack which nobody was predicting. The man who was most likely to have been involved in representing the USA in these Accords as a favor to Hillary, Vincent Foster, was soon found dead and this was subsequently used by Israel lobbyists like Ken Starr and Jerry Falwell to run a full-scale attack on Bill Clinton. When John Kennedy, Jr., ran a piece by the mother of the accused assassin of Rabin, explaining that Israeli Right-wingers had sought to encourage her son to kill Rabin, Kennedy himself suddenly had a strange accident and died. Much more can be learned at:

you are clearly a Nazi, for

you are clearly a Nazi, for you go around bashing cristians/catholics all the time. Nazi. you racist pig. you racist nazi pig. fun isnt it? this is what you sound like.

>>>not one poster to this

>>>not one poster to this thread has the deceny to denounce Holocaust deniers

Well the Hoaxoco$t has been discredited forensically as a fraud. Germar Rudolf has now been sent to prison in Germany simply because his own chemical tests of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers failed to support the official story. But prior to the 1980s no one had ever bothered to carry out any actual forensic chemical testing of the alleged gas chambers. Only because Robert Faurisson began insisting on the need for this to be done did the matter ever arise. Faurisson has also been dragged into court as punishment for drawing conclusions which don't agree with the pre-ordained verdict. But the contradictions in the official Hoaxoco$t scenario are blatant. Impossible claims are made about the numbers of bodies allegedly cremated at Auschwitz on a regular daily basis. The records of the Nuremburg trials are repeatedly invoked as a source of alleged evidence, but the trial records say things which don't appear within the modern official history as laid out by Raul Hilberg, Deborah Lipstadt and others. The Nuremburg transcripts refer to steam chambers being used to kill people at Treblinka by steaming them to death like lobsters. Yet the official history refers to gas chambers instead of steam chambers at Treblinka. How can such trial records have any value as evidence then? They don't, it was a fraud and the jig is up.

The only jig that's up,

The only jig that's up, mate, is your clogging the thread with irrelevant rubbish.

I was going to give you a pass, but several posts down the same problem comes up and it wouldn't be fair to pass you up.

This is a 911 Truther blog. We come here to debate, research and work out how we're going to bring down the perps responsible for 2,998 counts of pre-meditated murder on September 11, 2001.

We ARE NOT here to waste time arguing about German polices sixty years ago except insofar as the current bastards are using their play book. You have some doubts about how history was recorded then. Great. There are other forums for you to raise your questions, good or bad. This is not the one.

So PISS OFF and stop making it look like Truthers share your Holocaust obsession!!!!

The question of what do the

The question of what do the laws of physics allow as possible is directly tied to both the issue of 911 and the Hoaxoco$t and the two issues are bound together by the leading role which the Israel lobby has played in promoting wars off of 911 as well as the Hoaxoco$t. The two sets of lies will go down together or not at all.

You clearly apply a double-standard when it suits you. This "Shalom" character who comes off sounding like an Anti-Defamation League monitor for the site very easily runs off on tangents about crimes committed centuries ago when the Catholic Church held power. Yet you didn't tell him to "PISS off" as far as I could see, even though there is clearly no connection between these much earlier historical events and the present-day crisis. The propaganda lies left over from World War II do, however, have a direct connection to the present day. When AIPAC spends its time organizing major campaign efforts which urge senators to support the invasion of Iraq then one has to start looking critically at everything else which they spout, and the lies of the Hoaxoco$t are central to that.

You obviously let "Shalom"

You obviously let "Shalom" off the hook when he goes rambling about the Inquisition which happened centuries ago and has absolutely no relevance to the present day. However between 911, the Iraqi invasion, the Israel lobby and Hoaxoco$t of 60 years ago the connections are very strong. Furthermore, both 911 and the Hoaxoco$t rest upon claims which are scientifically untenable, and both are pushed by many of the same people. One doesn't have to have any liking for the Catholic Church or the Ku Klux Klan in order to realize that AIPAC lobbyists have played a much more pertinent role in pushing the Iraq war through. So why do you give "Shalom" a free pass for making comments which really are a diversion? The myth of the WTC Towers knocked over by jet-planes will stand or fall along with the myth of Auschwitz magically disposing of multiple thousands of bodies in a single day. Both lies are scientifically odd and both are strongly supported by the same people.


and difficult subject matter to broach in a number of senses. Well done.

Scott Ritter discusses Israel with Randi Rhodes

on today's show, 2nd hour...Scott discussing new book "Target Iran". They discussed Israel's involvement. Ritter is calling for AIPAC and others to register as foreign lobbyists cause that is what they are.

Thanks for posting this article Jon Gold. Its just too easy to forget about involvement of Israel in all of this. The US and Israel are tied at the hip. I hope it all comes out one day. I am also glad the label "anti-semitic" is becoming tired, over-used and oh-so-obvious way of stiffling comment.

While on the topic of Israel, it is essential that you watch the documentary....
"Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land"

Describes sophisticated PR strategy Israel uses to deflect attention from criminal treatment of Palestinians.

Someone should intervfiew these guys again.

Their names are later identified as Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, and Yaron Shmuel. [ Forward, 3/15/02 ]

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A collection of

A collection of links:

A specific story about the 'dancing Israelis':

Some useful background:

You should post up the page

You should post up the page from the cooprative about Saeed Sheikh and general mamhood the head of the ISI who wired 100k to atta via Saeed Shekih to Mohammed Atta , saeed sheikih has links to all the main players , CIA MI5 ISI Al Qeada and Bin Laden himself.

"If you read just one thing at this website, please read this essay. Don’t mind the length and complexity. Saeed Sheikh’s story is not just mildly interesting. Understanding the history of this young man may not only explain many mysteries of 9/11, including solid evidence of foreign government involvement in the attacks, but may also reveal if nuclear war in the near future is likely. No kidding. Please read! Note that this was first written in September 2002 but has been thoroughly overhauled based on exposure to additional evidence. Also, click to find more details about Saeed Sheikh and his boss Mahmood Ahmed."

And what did Atta do, except maybe lose his passport?


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Atta left the "ROSETTA STONE" for the FBI to identify da jackerz

why would he check a bag with all that incriminating evidence?

if it made it on Flight 11, it would've blown up...

makes no sense...

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As David Ray Griffin so perfectly put it... his great new film ("9/11: The Myth and the Reality"), "why would Atta pack his WILL in a bag he was taking on an (explosive) suicide mission?"

It's completely ludicrous.

No wonder this thing is unraveling faster than that basebal Roy Hobbs (Robert Redford) hit in The Natural.

see, he had a parachute...

and was planning to come back as his heir. unfortunately for him, his passport used it before he could.

it all makes sense if you TRY to believe. try a shot of Victory gin...


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By the way...

Was any of this covered by the 9/11 Commission?

No? Don't you think if a group of people were mandated to give a "full and complete" accounting of the attacks of 9/11, that something as interesting as this would be investigated?

I do. More proof the 9/11 Report isn't worth the paper it was written on.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

The 9/11 commission didn't

The 9/11 commission didn't even establish who funded the 9/11 attacks, they wrote "the scource of the funding for the attacks is of no great importance", the scource of the funding is one of the main points for having a investigation in the first place, this ommission is sure sign of a cover up.

If anyone EVER argues with you about re-openeing 9/11 just point this little fact out to them.

No one seems to remember...

The addendum that was released that said, "The origin of 9/11 funds is unknown but no money for the attacks was raised in the United States."

Isn't it funny that the origin of the funds is "unknown", but beyond the shadow of doubt, none of those funds were "raised in the United States?"

Ultimately, the addendum "says most of the funds were sent by Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, a nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed."

They also said that the attacks, "cost somewhere between $400,000 and $500,000."

If $100,000 was sent by Omar Sheikh to Mohammad Atta, and that equals 1/4 of the funds used, according to them, does that mean "most of the funds were sent by Ali Abdul Aziz Ali?"

No. It's a blatant lie.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Saeed Shekih has many many

Saeed Shekih has many many alias, Omar shekih is one of them?, he is British born and has links to Mi5,CIA,ISI and Al Qeada, he was arrested for the Daneil Pearl murder , Daniel Pearl was investigating ISI links to terrorism when he was kidnapped and murdered, when Saeed was arrested he said he wouldn't be talking about ISI but said "they know my work and i know there's" he is without doubt working for the ISI the evidence is overwhelming, but why the big cover up in America about ISI involvment in 9/11 attacks ? because the ISI were working for the CIA/Mi6?

One of the recent aledged "liquid bomb plane" plotters recently halted giving evidence because the ISI had been in touch with his family and threatened that if he talks about the ISI's operations they would harm his family.

It seems that the 'War on terror" is mostly being run by inteligence services.

The ISI seem to be linked to most acts of terrorism, and we (uk and US) attack Iraq?

Family Member Bill Doyle...

Said that he heard from a source that part of the information in the 28 redacted pages of the Congressional Inquiry shows funding from the U.S. to Pakistan.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

I'm fully convinced that

I'm fully convinced that 9/11 was a CIA/ISI/Mi6 black op with al qeada and Bin Laden being used as scapegoats, albeit not innocent scapegoats, the CIA has litterlly created radical islam themselves.

Are we really surprised by

Are we really surprised by how far this control system reaches.... to what level is this world being manipulated?

it's a great circle of complicity.... and of blame

but who's really pulling the strings?

it is not the ISI.... and it may not even be the US

We need to regain control of our government and set this global power game back a few decades

Pakistan has recently stated

Pakistan has recently stated that they were bulldozed into the Afghan war by threats of bombing from Washington. That doesn't sound like an operation that was at all initiated by Pakistan. There's enough corruption within Pakistan and the ISI to draw them into some incriminating behavior which can later on serve as a deflection away from the Israel lobby's role in pushing this war through. Pakistan and the ISI were not the source of the attacks however. Their hands are dirty all around in ways which make it easy to take a swipe at them, but that's as far as it goes.

Indictment drafted for

Indictment drafted for Israeli president: media
Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:42 AM ET

By Allyn Fisher-Ilan

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Prosecutors have begun to draft a charge sheet against Israeli President Moshe Katsav after police said they had evidence he committed rape, Israeli media reported on Tuesday.


Partridge posted a thread on my site of his experience in Palestine.

With pictures and everything.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Geopolitics - Industry and its false dialectics

The industrial forces that determine present Western geostrategy use nationality and ethniciy to divide the populace of every nation and nations from one another. Israel has long been one of the biggest pawns in this effort, controlled from within and without by military and industrial forces that have little concern for Judaism.

I know there are Israelis for 9/11 truth, Israelis critical of their government, and Israelis who support Palestinian statehood. As in any country, the different social classes in Israel have differring opinions about the actions of their country. While Israeli nationalism is very strong, the general rise in geopolitical understanding has created a new generation in every Western country that is more skeptical of government propaganda than their parents.

So now we find out that the Israeli President may have been molesting children. They have their own Foleygate times ten. And the government is being investigated for its use of cluster bombs that keep killing people in Lebanon. My point here is that it is not the Israeli people, the populace, who are corrupt. We see time and again that people in power are corruped, and yet we allow these people to sell us a story about the international or domestic populace being the problem.

655,000 Iraqi civilians dead is genocide. We had no beef with the Iraqi people, and the only reason they might have had beef with us, was our support of sanctions that caused more than 100,000 children to starve to death. And now the Iraqi people are painted in our media as barbarians.

The real barbarians are those leading the people of every nation who demonstrate that no moral principles are guiding their actions. What's worse? A suicide bomber that kills 20 marines, or a Stealth Bomber that wipes out a wedding party? Neither. They are both tragedies that would not have happened were war not such a profitable and strategically beneficial venture.

Industrial geopolitics is not concerned with religion except as it can be manipulated to influence a population. 9/11 truth is a geopolicial concern, and while our moral values are a primary motivation, the issue entirely transcends all popular divisions of nationality, religion, or ethnicity. The industrial elite in nearly every country are complicit in global crimes against humanity. But instead of hearing about that, we hear about some small band of fanatics determined to kill more people per year than are struck by lightning. They may reach their goal this year, with a little help from the FBI.

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Terrence? S. King? Ronald Wieck? You're all the same.

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i dont care, im gonna say it

i dont care, im gonna say it again. South Park is indeed good for something. case in point: Joseph Smith is not a profit! dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

is your name for real, "MormonJihad"? is that suppossed to be ironic?


No, I'm associating you with prior idiot visitors of this site. Don't take it personally.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

If the 9/11 Truth movement

If the 9/11 Truth movement went mainstream (please God make it so) it would be very bad news for the worldwide jewish community. Jewish complicity in those heinous acts would jeopardize the position of jews in America. Left-wing Gatekeepers such as Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky understand this and thus are reluctant to open up that particular can of worms.

Just think how the Muslims have been demonized. No other community would want that to happen to them.

What is "Jewish Complicity?"

Please explain that to me.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

He Hasn't Learned to substitute Zionism for Jew Yet !!








Really aren't that bright are you.

Tell me. What's the difference between right and wrong?

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."


For example, see the entry below about Bush Sr. and his little homosexual prostitution scandal....perhaps some of our avid researchers could dig up this dirt on the Bush family - can you imagine how explosive it would be in the Novmeber elections ?

What could be more RIGHT than to allow the Dems to take over the House, and CLEAN THE HOUSE ? Do you really think the dialog in this thread contributes to this end ?

It would be right to focus on the Lancet report that estimated that 650,000 Iraqis have died to date from the Bush Invasion. Since the upper bound on the number of Iraqis killed by Hussein in 20 years is less than 300,000, it means that Bush Jr. has managed to kill twice as many Iraqis as Saddam Hussein, and has accomplished this in only 3 years.

Since the US population is 12 times that of Iraq, it would be useful to point out that the equivalent deaths in the US thus far would be over 7 million at this point, and if this rate continued for 20 years, it would be equivalent to almost 50 million.

It would be right to point out that this is the critical choice for the evangelical Christian right, who are the key to keeping Bush and the Repugs in control of our government. What will it take for them to see the light and vote for true values and morality ?

What's wrong is to miss all these opportunities, and squander it on these sidebars.


noun, adverb, verb –adjective

1. in accordance with what is good, proper, or just: right conduct.

2. in conformity with fact, reason, truth, or some standard or principle; correct: the right solution; the right answer.

3. correct in judgment, opinion, or action.


1. not in accordance with what is morally right or good: a wrong deed.

2. deviating from truth or fact; erroneous: a wrong answer.

3. not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; in error: You are wrong to blame him.

People of Jewish faith are more than capable of being "good, proper, or just." People of Jewish faith are more than capable of not being in "accordance with what is morally right or good."

Instead of referring to WHOMEVER was responsible for 9/11 by their faith, why not refer to them as what they were? Murderers.

They were murderers. REGARDLESS of whether or not they were Christian, Catholic, Baptist, Hindu, Muslim or even Jewish.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

You want to talk about...

"Bush and the Repugs?"

Let's talk about Jack Abramoff.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Oh wait...

That must be a figment of my imagination because he's Jewish. Orthodox I believe.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Thank Goodness: You Finally Revealed Your True Self...

So now yhou can start saying "Jew" instead of "Zionist".

It's pretty liberating, isn't it ?


What's "liberating" is the fact that I'm not going to talk to a "Zionist" troll anymore.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Your Radar is Off Again

I'm sorry, I don't get it, you don't want to talk about George Walker Bush, and want to discuss Abramoff instead ?

It is George Walker Bush and his Repug administration who stole the 2000 election, orchestrated 9/11, gave tax breaks to the rich, stole our civil liberties, and encouraged a culture of corruption that included Kenny "Boy" Lay of Enron, Congressmen DeLay, Cunningham and Ney (all resigned in disgrace), Abramoff, Mehlman, Foley, Hastert, and on and on and on.

And you want to focus on Jack Abramoff, and NOT George Walker Bushitler, EVEN THOUGH ABRAMOFF WAS NOT THE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHEN 9/11 WENT DOWN ?

I wonder why your radar is so far off - don't you know the difference between right and wrong ? The answer is not always in the dictionary....

Where's John Albanese...

When I need him?

YOUR "Radar" is off dipsh_t.

Why don't you watch, "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime." There's PLENTY of George Walker Bush in it.

I pointed out Jack Abramoff to you #1, he might be tied to 9/11, and #2, he is Jewish. Proving that people of Jewish Faith ARE capable of doing wrong.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Bush Sr. Homosexual Prostitution Worse than Foleygate !!

This worthless blog is almost 100 entries long, and other than allowing a bunch of people to have their daily vent against Zionism (they need this fix on a daily basis),
and wasted a whole lot of time and effort that could have been used productively.

Instead, it occured to me that while we spar over things Israel may have done, like syping on the US, we should be focusing on what the Bushes may very well have DONE - it may be speculative, but not more so that all the stuff being floated around here...

So, get the popcorn out, pour yourself a glass of wine (at Harvard, they say "In vino, veritas), and contemplate the following:

(It is amazing to me that this thread has not been mentioned in the current "Foleygate" - a much more sinister record of the Bush Family)


In the high stakes world of global politics, it is common practice to procure sexual favors in the hopes to gain leverage or to gain power through blackmail. It's done all the time. The Soviets did it. The Americans do it, and many other countries as well. This following is the bizarre and very real child sexual prostitution ring involving the Republican elite of Washington. And the trail leads right up to George H. W. Bush. Read the chilling story.


KARLYN BARKER, WASHINGTON POST, JULY 24, 1990: The alleged leader of what authorities have called the largest male prostitution operation in the Washington area surrendered to federal agents yesterday and pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges that have been filed against him and three alleged accomplices. Henry W. Vinson, 29, of Williamson, W.Va., a coal miner's son accused of setting up the homosexual escort service, was arraigned in U.S. District Court here yesterday afternoon after turning himself in to Secret Service agents . . . At a news conference after the arraignment, [U.S. Attorney Jay] Stephens said the investigation into the alleged prostitution ring "is concluded" and that the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday, focused on those who allegedly set up the ring rather than on clients who reportedly patronized it. Asked about earlier reports that some of those clients included high-level officials in the Reagan and Bush administrations, Stephens said the investigation had not revealed "additional conduct which suggests criminal conduct on behalf of other people." . . . The Vinson case provoked additional notice after The Washington Times published reports last summer suggesting that the alleged prostitution ring had been patronized by government officials. The Times named as clients several low-level government employees and Craig J. Spence, a Washington lobbyist and party-giver who, the paper said, took friends and prostitutes on late-night tours of the White House. Spence was found dead in a Boston hotel room last fall, and authorities ruled his death a suicide . . . To date, however, investigators have disclosed no evidence linking any high-level government official to the escort service.

Tell me...

What's the difference between right and wrong?

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Nick Berg's connection with

Nick Berg's connection with Zacarias Moussaoui is also pretty suspicious in light of all the other evidence connecting Israel and 9/11. Did Berg really give Moussaoui's friend his email password, or did Berg actually send the emails himself to help frame Moussaoui (possibly while serving as one of Mossad's many sayanim)?

i live in the same town as

i live in the same town as Nick Bergs family(West Chester) and went to the same high school as him, so i have a special interest in the Berg case. even his dad is on record saying its bullshit that Zarqawi killed his son. hes running for congress by the way, and while hes not a truther, his politics are far left and right on in my opinion. vote Mike Berg.


Do you remember, it was either the Daily News, or the Inquirer, that had the front page that said, "BASTARDS!"

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

yes, that friggin rag The

yes, that friggin rag The Daily News had it i believe. they are always good for interesting headlines. they try to model themselves after the New York Post. it was a fitting title though. regardless of who really killed him, they are bastards. he was loved by a lot of people at my ex-highschool, seemed to be a real likable friendly guy by all accounts. ive met his dad, hes a very passionate man, even before it was fully clear what happened to his son, he was already clear about where he stood on the war. hes still furious at the military for holding Nick longer than they should have. they still havent answered for that.

Nick Berg...

Is dead, and I don't think he was with the Mossad. He was from my area. Someone I work with knows his father. People came around for miles to pay their respects to Nick Berg, and his father.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

what are the odds that Nick

what are the odds that Nick Berg, from little old West Chester,Pennsylvania comes in contact with 2 of the most notorious "terrorists" on the planet in this farce of "the war on terror"? not good odds, to say the least.

Tip Off

The circumcized ones are terrified it seems. So fun to watch!!

Unlike you, "circumsized ones" still have Balls

The last effort to get rid of "circumsized ones" were the Nazis...

Israeli Spy Ring in the U.S. exposed! By Faux?

Anti-Semitism office planned at State Department

Anti-Semitism office planned at State Department

If you want to know who is in command, just ask who it is you can't criticize.

That's interesting...

Do they have an Anti-African American office? How about an Anti-Christian office? How about an Anti-Asian office? How about an Anti-Muslim office?

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

or anti-Latino...

There is, however, a whole campaign aimed at recruiting Latino youth into the military.

and for the record, I must count as a "circumsized one" since I'm, um, circumsized. Sorry LibLov, that was just unnecessary!


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Maybe it was stimulated by this forum....

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