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Was Thermite used to Cleanup Ground Zero After the Collapses?

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The following information is from Dr Judy Wood

(I did minor rewording)

Also see her new paper updated Oct 23

 

 

This site claims Dr Steven Jones turned this "search and rescue" photo (below) into his "thermite" photo (second photo below).

Quote: Mark Roberts AKA Gravy, of Loose Change Viewers Guide fame has written an excellent paper on the collapse of World Trade Center 7, discussed on an JREF thread here. One of the more interesting finds, was a picture that he found of firefighters searching for survivors in the rubble:


Original picture: http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/5575.jpg

 

 

 

Photo From Jones paper: from PDF (last checked 10/23/06 7:30PM ET)

Quote from here: This picture, in a different form, has been used before, for a completely different purpose in Steven Jones "peer reviewed" paper

 

 

 

Notice the ambiguous Jones wording in his PDF: "Workers evidently peering into the hot "core" under the WTC rubble." Is this deliberate deception while avoiding responsibility for it?

 

[NOTE from CB_Brooklyn: It looks like Jones adjusted the levels to match the color of molten metal in a thermite reaction. Reminds me of how he used a NIST picture with its intensity levels adjusted, and hid the fact that it was adjusted.]

 

 

Also from Jones paper: from PDF (last checked 10/23/06 7:30PM ET)

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1858491.stm

 

This picture in Jones' paper sure looks like thermite being used for cleanup of GZ

i saw something on those

i saw something on those photos just the other day.. i think it might have been randforums.org.. if i come across it again ill forward it your way.

it might have been this one...

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Have you guys read this 133

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You must be joking. You are full of "wind" yourself--hot air.

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I'm actually reading

I'm actually reading this..... is there a way to cut and paste from these PDF files? This could be alot of fun.

I am loving the wording.... very un-biased... right!

this guy has already made at least ten references to things he has failed to research..... he has commented on the work of Alex Jones but it seems he's gotten all the info second hand..... he's an emotional nutcase

If we believe in the New

If we believe in the New World Order.... we are followwers of Alex Jones...and we are in a cult.

I can not believe this guy actually pulled it together to write 100+ pages

and the JREF bloggers are applauding this nonsense because it fits very well into their denial.... his arguments are poor and childish

Molten metal or search lights?

I attended a lecture a few weeks ago, where the 'official" photographer at ground zero, Joel Meyerowitz, showed similar images, expaining that search lights were used at night to look for casualties. These photos gave me the false hope that they were from the molten metal below the pile. It's easy to misinterpret what is happening in a still photo. He did mention that he had to buy six pairs of boots because of the +1000 degree heat from below the pile in the nine months he worked there.

This archive is for sale (±8000 8 x 10 images ). The Library of Congress did not have the funds to purchase the collection- so it's for sale (Jimmy Walters ?). Someone should get the archive and copies of the 8 x 10 negatives, that are harder to tamper with.

He did mention that he had

He did mention that he had to buy six pairs of boots because of the +1000 degree heat from below the pile in the nine months he worked there.

that might be useful to get on record.

nano-enhanced waders?

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This one is almost a no-brainer.

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So, let me get this

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Molten STEEL Testimonies

Hey DZ

Just found some very good bits on MOLTEN STEEL on the LC Forums (props to NK-44)

Firstly Some Clean-up Pics...

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Below are a few excerpts from the LC topic...

- In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel

- As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running

- Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel

- Bronx firefighter "Toolie" O'Toole, who stated that some of the beams lifted from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero by cranes were
dripping from the molten steel

- New York Sanitation Department workers moving everything from molten steel beams to human remains

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The full topic with sources can be found at : http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1324

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Hmmmm..... Steven Jones' claims are obviously false

Jones claims the molten metal was iron from a thermite reaction, right? He even did scientific (LOL) experiments proving this, eh? He proved it, right?

 

Or perhaps he.. cough cough.... "changed" the data just like he "changed" the color in the picture (top of this blog) to FOOL PEOPLE!

 

What else should we expect from a government plant specifically put in place to discredit cold fusion??? (Check my post here for info on this!!) 

Check it out

If you use thermite for clean-up, then you need to clean-up...

the molten metal it causes, don't you? Thermite seems to make the clean-up more complicated, doesn't it?

Also, would they really want molten metal dripping down onto bodies & evidence?

Oh, I forgot, they needed to rush the evidence away so they could rebuild immediately. Too bad it's still a hole in the ground 5+ years later.

they didn't rush it off,

they didn't rush it off, they were just cleaning the place up. it was evidence, yeah, but when the entire world watches the crime happen on television there's not much need for it.

the idea of using thermite for "clean-up" is absurd...why would they do that? how would that help them clean anything up?

Egad

"they didn't rush it off, they were just cleaning the place up. it was evidence, yeah, but when the entire world watches the crime happen on television there's not much need for it."

Statements like this give me a momentary flicker of sympathy with the TV Fakery people's motivations.

Are you being facetious?

Thanks for the sympathy :)

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Remind me...how much did we see again?

Did we see the reasons for WTC7's collapse? Nope. Do you think just maybe the rubble pile had a few interesting things to tell us about the cause? Surely. So did they care enough to find, quarantine, forensically examine, and openly publish all of those evidences? Nope. What's wrong with this sequence of events? Everything.

If you are comfortable accepting the day two half truth based conjecture as if it were proven fact, go right ahead and do so. Just don't tell us we are unreasonable to want a full accounting of all the yet to be explained inconsistencies.

And the reason you are asking re using Thermite in the cleanup?

Just seems like an obfuscating question, and the OP certainly didn't qualify why the question should be addressed. Why would they use thermite in the cleanup when its destructive capacity would be redundant post-incident?!

The pictures mean absolutely nothing...why give this OP the time of day?!

Next...

Styve

Thermite to clean up Ground Zero.

First, thermite has never been used to bring down a skyscraper in controlled demolition. Check for yourself.

Second, see the picture below and decide if thermite was used to clean up Ground Zero.





What implications does this have for the work of Steven Jones?

What does it imply about those who will vote this post down?



thermite

So you're saying that thermite has never been used in a building demolition before, yet it WAS used to dismantle still- standing remains of the WTC? Wouldn't that be equally unprecedented? The ONLY reason I can think of for using thermite at Ground Zero is to have a cover story when thermite residue from the collapses was found, yet that residue HAS been found and still no mention of any thermite during the cleanup.

I've seen lots of pictures of the freestanding outer columns being cut with torches, so I would find it odd that they used thermite in this one case. Of course there's no proof that it is thermite, other than it looks very similar to the thermite that was already photographed at the WTC! (South Tower, pre collapse). How does that fit into your theory?

ps where is the image from? Is that the best resolution available?

thermite doesn't account for all the evidence

thermite doesn't account for all the evidence. A hypothesis is only valid if it takes into consideration all of the evidence.

who ever said

that thermite was a 'hypothesis'? It's an incendiary substance which has been verified to have been present at the World Trade Center on Sep. 11th. That's not a 'hypothesis', that's a fact. HOW exactly it was used to bring down the building would be a hypothesis, but that's not what Jones' research consists of.

Any theory of how thermite was used is of course backed up by the fact that thermite was used, a strength that the space laser theories are sadly lacking... Remember that 'accounting' for all the evidence is only part of the game, you also have to have evidence that directly supports your theory. So far all i've seen for the star wars hypothesis are some toasted cars, about the most absurd 'proof' of a space laser i could think of... and evidence that's more easily explained by thermite anyway.

Why does CB_Brooklyn continually post dubious no-plane...

at WTC disinfo, and now this "clean-up" with therminte trickery?

Lets not forget........

...... the Judy Wood "energy beam" theory, where she claimed to have proof the buildings were brought down by some sort of star wars death star energy beam. The proof? a grainy video that appeared to show part of teh facade of the building disintegrating. very quickly after a number of videos surfaced showing that very same facade collapsing - leaving dust behind - NOT disintegrating.

now - i ask you - is this science?

is constantly speculating on outlandish theories like mini-nukes, energy beams, tvFakery and Thermite bringing us any closer to winning the hearts and minds of the american public - and finding the criminals responsible for 9/11?

it is my opinion that these lines of research are cointelpro disinformation, designed to discredit, disrupt and confuse the movement. that's my opinion.

"Beam Weapons"? The Jury without Peer Is Still Deliberating...

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I have reviewed her research

and find it unconvincing. in fact, i think it is designed to purposely be embarassing to the movement.

just look at the paper attached to this blog. she has photos of various Warner Brothers cartoon characters recovered from ground zero and she points out that "the Road Runner does not have a scratch on it"

Why is it that so much of the Reynold/Wood/Huapt research uses the imagery of cartoons? cartoon planes. Keebler elves. and now this?

It is my opinion that the Wood's research is rubbish. Garbage. Empty. And it is further my opinion that it is intentional.

The Road to Hell Is Sometimes Paved with Good Intentions?

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some Directed Energy Weapons in use

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