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Video of David Shayler & Annie Machon at Leeds

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David Shayler and Annie Machon at the Unspinning the Truth event organised by The West Yorkshire Truth Campaign www.wytruth.org.uk Tues 17th October 2006

Hat tip to whatreallyhappened.com

I don't trust Shayler

I don't trust Shayler anymore, first he was talking about "no planes/tv fakery" to a newspaper not that long ago, now in this video he mixes up credible points with "the cctv still of the alleged 7/7 bombers was photoshoped" "a car with a demolition company’s logo on it close to the 7/7 bus is suspicious" and to cap it of "the Sumerian Tablets say mankind was created by aliens". How is that kind of wild kooky sounding shit ever going to appeal to a mainstream audience? It's as if Shayler never left the services in my opinion, because that's exactly what a classical disinformation mole does, to try and steer a movement into obscurity and ridicule by deliberately mixing the absurd with the credible.

Not to get off subject but

Not to get off subject but have you read anything about the Summerian Tablets?

the information they contain will definitely not appeal to the masses.... but there is definitely a basis for his beliefs.....

I have

Studied the Sumerian Tablets in depth for many years along with Babylonian & Kemetic religious text.

Granted the Sumerian Tablets do state something to that effect,(depending on interpretation) however Greek religious text talks of Zeus, Hercules & Achilles with all their exploits, the Aztecs speak of various Sun gods etc.
Ancient Egyptian text speaks of various gods and equally wild and unbelievable tales.

That is what religious text are, incredible fairytales and nothing more.

BTW the Sumerian Tablets are where Judaism & Christianity steal their "Genesis fable" from, written at least several hundred to over a thousand years prior to the Jewish Torah (Old Testament).
The Kemetic "42 Admonitions of Ma'at" are where the so called 10 Commandments were derived from, also written hundreds of years prior to the Jewish version.

There are still tell tale signs in the old testament Genesis of the links between the Enuma Elish and the Jewish/Christian Genesis.
There are clear references to TWO gODS in Genesis and those were "Enki (Lord of the Earth and Waters) & Enlil (Lord of the Air and Lord of the Command ) " of the Enuma Elish.

Here is just a couple:
"And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..." "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." -- Genesis 1: 26-27
"And the Lord God said, Behold the man is become as one of US, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;" -- Genesis 3: 22

These are clearly referring to TWO gods and the context is almost Identical to the Sumerian Tablets story line. Enki & Enlil are the Gods/Aliens referenced in the Sumerian Genesis they are of the race of "Sky People" known as "Anunnaki" and what they were talking about were them mating with what they called the "local beast" which was primitive man. This was to make them better slaves in order to mine gold faster.
"Nin-Ti" was Enkis half sister and was the creator of this Hybrid, Nin-Ti in Sumerian means "Lady of the Rib" sound familiar? Yep she is "Eve".

This is no secret but with so many insane Christians roaming the planet you really cant say much about it without making yourself a target of some nutbag.
All you can do is smile and nod and set back and watch Billions of stark raving lunatics thinking these ancient fairytales are factual reality.
Kinda scary.

and if anything those artifacts were stolen to keep the clear connection between them and Judaism/Christianity hidden, either that or just pure greed to sell on the black market.

exactly--i've heard the same things

This is very illuminating. Shayler is very obviously disinfo, and this case should be studied as an example of how they operate--Dem Bruce hit it on the head earlier.

Claiming that the SUmerian tablets are proof of alien origins of human life is the perfect way of discrediting the evidence that the Torah was, ummm, NOT handed to Moses from God, but in fact just adapted from earlier mythology.

Interestingly, the person who clued me into the sumerian origins also wanted me to believe that the world was ruled by very tall very white aliens. And this kid was black, and a harvard student. My lord they have a lot of people on the payroll!!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

the cctv still of the alleged 7/7 bombers was photoshoped

this is a fact, you know....
the question is... why, who, what for?

stop being paranoic ("disinformation mole" thing - don't be ridiculous, watch the video "Peak Oil"),
You're correct not to raise some issues, but some have to be raised. Just do your job exposing the truth.

" to try and steer a

" to try and steer a movement into obscurity and ridicule by deliberately mixing the absurd with the credible."

You'd think he'd know better, wouldn't you?

I have some personal beliefs others might think are strange, but if they're not releveant and could be a liability I keep them to myself.

I hear you. Frankly we shouldn't trust anyone blindly anyway. But I still think Shayler is worth listening to for pure intel op info, but bring a bucket of salt.

Actually, I could see biblical era archeological evidence that contradicts Christian Fundamentalism being destroyed as a personal favor behind the scenes. That's where I was expecting that to go. The Neo-con war mongers have done worse in the cause of religion.

No Planers should be banned from 911 blogger

Too bad Dr Griffin allowed himself to be associated with David Shayler. We don't need the no planers making public acceptance of 911 truth much more difficult.

bruceleestyles exposes

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LOL, care to elaborate? What

LOL, care to elaborate? What makes me "full of shit"?

yeh i was with him up until

yeh i was with him up until he started talking about evolution, it's a bit like David Icke, yeh he makes some valid points about everybody being to concerned about what others think of them, and that were all to quick to conform to what is "normal" etc then BANG The world is ruled by 7ft lizards ? eh?, we don't need this type of shit, it just puts people off when they take it to far and then discredits all the other stuff.You ultimatly just become a laughing stock and nobody will take you serious.

Yep

He sounded fine all the way until just 3-4 mins at the end then he completely lost his mind.

THIS is why Religious nutbags should not be listened to EVER.
There are 1000s of Transitional Fossils btw clearly proving "Macro Evolution" so that was an out right lie or he is indeed so phucked up on Religion that his cognitive dissonance just blocks out those facts.

and I agree, people talking about 9/11 truth need to STFU about some religious mumbo jumbo, or especially something as overwhelmingly proven as Evolutionary Theory.

It's a pity really.

Would be the same if David Ray Griffin all of sudden started coming out with equally as ridiculous statements, saying something that obviously absurd would taint all the good work he has done.

Would be like making a fantastic USDA Prime aged Fillet dinner with a Maine Lobster on the side with all the trimmings then right before you serve it you shyte right in the middle of it.

Wow. David Shayler is

Wow. David Shayler is fucking crazy. I just lost all my previous respect for him as he started to compare 9/11 to the theory of evolution. Shocking.

Yeah

Very sad isn't it?

Shame how someone can talk for 1hr 16 min and make good points and perfect sense for 1hr 13 min then he jumps off a cliff in a clown suit.

Just shows what religion can do to the mind.

haha, aint that the truth?

haha, aint that the truth? not to bash religion, but one of my best friends doesnt talk to me anymore because he "found god" and i didnt. that doesnt sound too christian of him does it? its funny, because he was basically pretty liberal in most of his beliefs and now he couldnt be further to the right, because he thinks thats what hes supposed to be. the religous right could care less about all the dead iraqis and american soldiers, they could care less about our constitution, they could care less about global warming, they could care less about anything but abortion and gay marriage. the average "godless" liberal has more compassion and heart than the average evangelical. what does that say about our society? or should i ask, what does it say about the evangelical movement today?

My guess is he's just

My guess is he's just found something spiritually/ intellectually meaningful and he's in the romance stage where he feels he has to tell EVERYONE, even panhandlers, the GOOD NEWS.

We can all thank political Christianity for this meme.

Someone needs to sit down with the man and explain what's important(murdering people) and what's not(whether we were genetically engineered, even if it is true), point out how it hurts the 911Truth movement and stay on message in future.

But he really should know better.

"The Holocaust"

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"Someone needs to sit down

"Someone needs to sit down with the man and explain what's important(murdering people) and what's not(whether we were genetically engineered, even if it is true [or Holocaust revision,even if it's true] ), point out how it hurts the 911Truth movement and stay on message in future."

Ahem.

Please explain to me how the

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if by "truth"

You mean the holocaust did not happen even though it is one of best recorded in extreme well documented detail genocides in history?

Then that is NOT the truth as there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary thats why.

Hoaxacough

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BS

Did not bother to read your cut & paste diatribe as it is senseless garbage.

Fact is the Nazis themselves kept such excellent records that they are the best evidence against themselves.

You are not worth the effort it took to write these few words.

Yes, David's views on

Yes, David's views on 'no-planes' are challenged as vigorously in the UK as they are in the US, and they have their highly vocal supporters and detractors. I have not heard the religious stuff myself, but I can assure anyone who doubts his sincerity as an activist that he is a man of genuine passion for truth and justice - or a better actor by far than Sir Ian Mckellen. I'll go for the former.

At a recent meeting of my local 9/11 group in Norwich, he galvanised an audience of 100+ with a rallying call to action that was truly inspirational.
I repeat my words from another post on this board: if David is an agent, can we please have more like him?

BS in a bucket

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Because

I have read that authors manure before, it is worthless.

I dont recall

anyone ever saying every single thing attributed to the Nazi's was 100% true.

However to try and deny that the holocaust happened at all is utterly absurd and easily disproven.