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Destroyed Records of Pre-911 WTC Estimated Asbestos Removal and Demolition Plans

Does anyone have copies of the plan for the estimated 1.5 billion dollar asbestos removal project for the WTC, along with pre-911 Demolition estimate. I've been searching ever since my computer was attacked and all my records lost. I'd had the records for a total of three hours before my computer was attacked. I've been searching on the internet to no avail. Anybody with a lead?

Ive been looking for that

Ive been looking for that documentation forever.....and then some:(
Seems the EPA has purged its records.

The insurance companies, of

The insurance companies, of course, are the winners since commercial rates have about doubled (if my info is correct) since 9/11. Seems they have little incentive of rolling back the threat since it would then lower rates. They likely are interested in preventing or challenging isolated catastrophes and not systemic ones like "terrorists" who allegedly hate our freedoms.
What I want to know is WHERE ARE THE SATELLITE IMAGES OF 9/11? If we can read license plates from outer space, why can't we review the days images to identify what exactly hit the Pentagon and Trade Towers?
The internet is scoured clean, so far as I can tell.
Or, who knows VIPs in China who can persuade them to release their studies of the WTC steel, that they most certainly have tested. I can't verify this, but, can you imagine them not being curious? And what has this govt. of the US done to ship conclusive crime scene evidence to our greatest challenger, and they see that Americans are lied to about it? Then they see us building bases in Iraq...
COMMON, CHINA! Just tell us what you know...We (9/11 truthers) will do the rest.

Port Authority Details 9/11 Records Losses in WTC Tragedy

I found this document, that lists what the NYPA lost on 9/11...

Sadly it seems to (conveniently) include the WTC maintenance records, asbestos lawsuit and tenant info.

Full source of below text : http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0312a&L=archives&P=17950


Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:49:46 -0500
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PORT AUTHORITY DETAILS 9/11 RECORDS LOSSES IN WTC TRAGEDY
by Michael Ravnitzky , [log in to unmask]

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has detailed the loss of
archival records on September 11, 2001 in the terrorist attack on the World
Trade Center. The Port Authority recently released the Records Destruction
Certificates compiled as a result of the tragedy. The loss in archival
terms was severe, although it cannot be compared to the human loss that day.

Below I list the records that were certified as destroyed, including the
following fields: type of record, extent of loss, number of folders,
location of records, retention period:

Tenants Leases - all years - 1617 folders, 86th floor WTC - 10 years after
term

Tenant Leases - all years - 1152 folders, 86th floor WTC - 10 years after
term

Tenants Leases - 1960 to 1995 - ? - 86th floor WTC - 10 years after term

Documents Agreements - 1959 to 1996 - ? - 86th floor WTC - review 10 years
after final payment

Concessions Revenues - 1995 - 2 folders - 86th floor WTC - 7 years

Appurtenances Elevator Inspections - all years - 216 folders - 86th floor
WTC - 4 years or until next inspection

Tenants Permits - all years - 660 folders - 86th floor WTC - 10 years after
expiration of lease or permit

Documents Contracts - all years - 3322 folders - 86th floor WTC - review 10
years after final payment

Maintenance Work Orders, Non Routine - 1986 to 1990 - 13 folders - 86th
floor WTC - 4 years

5 Lektriever Cabinets, 10 5-drawer cabinets

All TB&T Dept Documents, Folders, Boxes - all classifications A to TR - all
years - 64th floor south WTC - all retentions

Legal Claims and Litigation - 1968 to 1993 - 48 folders - 86th floor WTC -
review by Law Dept for destruction after 12 months

75 - 5 drawer Cabinets - all Comptrollers Dept Documents, Folders and Boxes,
disbursements, revenue, payroll and financial accounting, all
classifications from A to TR - all years - 69th floor West WTC - all
retentions

Personnel Health Medical Histories, Permanent Employees, PA, PATH, Active
Employees, all permanent year 2000 employees - deceased, retired, resigned
terminated, all year 2001 pre-placements, all temporary employees - all
years, rejected police recruits 1996 to 2001, all control cards and
destruction certificates - all years - 62nd floor south WTC Medical File
Room - 28 years after resignation/retirement/death

Leases, agreements for Port Newark, Port Elizabeth, Brooklyn Piers,
Passenger Ship Terminal, City of Newark, City of Elizabeth 1985 to 2001, all
contracts for work done at facilities 1985 to 2001, classified paper A to TR
all years, Agenda items 1970s - 2001, control cards and destruction
certificates all years - 62nd floor West WTC Port Commerce File Room - all
retentions

1500 boxes of contracts, 30 cabinets of contracts, tenant alterations,
agreements and consultants, 15 cabinets of aperture cards consisting of
as-built and as-bid drawings and tenant alterations, as-bid and as-built and
tenant alteration drawings for 1997 to 2001, 3 flat files of as-built
drawings Port Newark and other facilities, all control cards and destruction
certificates - located in the World Trade Center Engineering file room and
B-5 Storage Cages - contracts retained 25 years after final payment,
drawings and microfilm are permanent

All personnel and benefits folders for active PA and PATH employees, all
personnel and benefits folders for 1997 to 2000 retired, terminated and
deceased PATH employees and PA employees (since 1998), and PA & PATH
temporary employees 1998 to 2001 - 61st floor south WTC Human Resources file
room - 20 years after death or retirement, 15 years after termination, temp:
2 years after termination

50 five drawer cabinets, procurement dept documents, folders and boxes:
purchase orders and contracts, other documents with classifications A to TR,
All control cards and destruction certificates - all years - 63 North WTC -
all retentions

Board Minutes, meetings, Correspondence, Commissioners Meetings, MJ's,
PAI's. Various contracts, leases, permits, agreements, tenant alteration
applications, drawings for WTC and other facilities. Historical documents
and photographs, The Original Port Compact. The bylaws of the Port
Authority of NY & NJ. Mission statements, annual reports, badges,
medallions and PA Seals, Files of completed FOI Requests, Bonds and Notes,
Control Cards and Destruction Certificates - all years - 67th floor West 1
WTC Office of the Secretary - all retentions (see attached for more detail
- attachment not provided for some reason)

All Corporate Communications Dept Documents, Folders, Boxes, Filing
Cabinets, all classifications from A to TR, all control cards and
destruction certificates - all years - 68th floor South 1 WTC - all
retentions

50 five drawer cabinets, all Aviation Dept documents, folders, boxes, all
classifications from A to TR - all years - 65th floor East and West WTC -
all retentions

Legal Claims and Litigation, all years. Summons, Complaints and other papers
used in lawsuits in which the Law Dept is a party. The Port Authority of
New York and New Jersey versus Affiliated FM - 3358 boxes of records issued
from the Port Authority Records Center - originals - B-4 2 WTC Asbestos
Litigation Task Force Repository, and other locations in the WTC Complex -
all asbestos related material to be kept permanently - all records kept by
Serge Benjamin, Manager of the Asbestos Litigation Task Force

Legal Claims and Litigation, all years. Summons, Complaints and other papers
used in lawsuits in which the Law Dept is a party. The Port Authority of
New York and New Jersey versus Allied - 3000 boxes of records issued from
the Port Authority Records Center - originals - B-4 2 WTC Asbestos
Litigation Task Force Repository, and other locations in the WTC Complex -
all asbestos related material to be kept permanently - all records kept by
Serge Benjamin, Manager of the Asbestos Litigation Task Force

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Affidavit attached of Serge Benjamin dated April 22, 2002, stating that

- he is the manager of the Asbestos Litigation Task Force - ALTF - of the
Port Authority

- he had about 2000 boxes of records concerning the construction of the WTC

- the records were stored at the B2 level of Two World Trade Center in the
ALTF Repository

- the repository also contained records of construction for buildings at
issue in PA vs. Allied, and other records relating to PA v. Affiliated FM.

- the WTC Records were turned over to ALTF by the World Trade Department
during the course of litigation by the Port Authority against products
manufacturers - see Port Authority v. Allied.

- they had not been turned over to the custody and control of the
Superintendent of record due to ongoing litigation.

- the records were the subject of discovery by both defendants in both Port
Authority v. Allied and Port Authority v. Affiliated FM (Port Authority's
lawsuits against product manufacturers and insurers respectively)

- on September 11th, the records were all destroyed along with other records
obtained separately from Yonkers Industrial Park dealing with the
construction of Port Authority buildings.

-----------------

10 five drawer cabinets, all Technology Services Depts Documents, folders
and boxes, all classifications from A to TR - all years - 71st floor South
WTC - all retentions

Time Reports, 1992 to 1993 - four folders - 86th floor WTC - destroy after 2
years

Accounts, Checks 1994 - 1 folder - 86th floor WTC - 2 years

You might find more by Googling... "NEW JERSEY" "ASBESTOS" "1985"

Good Luck...

WTC Asbestos removal project

I think I recall hearing about that in one of the videos but I don't recall which one.
I hope this helps you. Good Luck !

I.) Why The World Trade

I.) Why The World Trade Towers­
"Must come down!"

A BRIEF TECHNICAL SUMMARY, WHY:

The structural integrity of the massive World Trade Center Towers was contingent upon the combined -value of *both* the internal, perimeter STEEL columns and the adjoining ALUMINIUM fascia-panels.

Over the years, the process known as 'galvanic corrosion' had structurally degraded these buildings beyond repair. Supporting statements to this effect had been compiled by the engineers and delivered to the building owners during the time-frame that I have described. Subsequently, both Mayor Giuiliani's Office, and the New York Port Authority, had allegedly received an order for the buildings to be completely dismantled, by 2007."

Through the continual effects of wind-sheer and [flex-fatigue] this process had eroded the bolt-holds at roughly floors #7 through #25, that fulcrum-point where the lateral pressures were inherently sustained. Photographs, taken after the disaster, reveal that it was only those lowest exterior column sectional groupings which do not appear to have shown severe de-coupling of the joinery, therein. This is evidenced by the bright 'shiny,' cage-like forms that served to contain the bulk of the physical contents among a burning rubble.

Physical evidence verifies that an incendiary 'explosive' material, such as 'thermate,' had come into contact with numerous Steel structural members throughout the entire structures. This has now been verified by independent research scientists from actual samples that had been collected from the site. Witnessed by their locations within the burning pyre, these supporting columns had fallen from the upper-most portions of the two building core-sections.

*My views concerning the chronic construction "flaws" in the World Trade Towers, follows at the end of this document, in section IV. I do not wish to assign 'blame,' nor do I feel the need for me to address these physical matters with any degree of scientific analysis. Sadly enough, the end result of simple human error has now brought the entire world to a state of heightened alarm, to say the very least. I strongly encourage you to cross-reference these issues, as recorded in countless independent and government source documents pertaining to the critical stress-dynamics, and galvanic properties inherent in aluminium alloys.

I also witnessed numerous, "highly suspicious" activities that took place at WTC, building #7, shortly after the structure was erected, and thus concurrent to the events that I have described. Mr. Silverstein was involved from the onset! *Virtually no information concerning the floor-plans, or the construction-phase* has been collected for anyone to do any real investigation into Building #7.

I realize this is a leading statement, but I will challenge any NYC architect to accept the chance to disprove it. After -all, I am the ONLY current spokesperson for the original architects, once officially recognized as the World's foremost design firm. :) -Put that feather in your cap, Mr. Robert A. M. Stern!

II.) T. S. Gordon's Insider Knowledge

ESTABLISHING EVENTS:

*CRITICAL DATE CORRECTIONS: In June, of 1986, I moved to NYC, and spent around two months at my friend's loft on Hudson St. Then I moved to Woodstock/Saugerties to save on rental expenses. I spent nearly a year commuting to the city from there, staying on Hudson St. whenever my friend was away on business, in Isla Mojares, Mexico. It was October, 1987 before I actually rented my own apartment on Thompson St., thus my confusion about the actual 'year' by which I had "moved there," and thus been measuring these events. After 9/11/2001, all I could remember was paying my first month's rent with the deposit money I had received to photograph the "Exchange Building" on Sunday, the weekend following the '87 Crash, when you could literally hear a pin-drop from Bowery to Lower Broadway.

__________

I had moved to Manhattan, seeking architectural photography assignments from various architects. Following a brief introduction to Mr. Barry Roth Jr., AIA, the President of Emery-Roth & Associates, and his partner, (cousin) Mr. Robert Sobel, AIA, I was instructed to photograph "the World Trade Center" in the early Spring of 1987.

Supervising the WTC project at that time were Mr. Barry Yanku, AIA, and Richard Stob, AIA, who had instructed, and/or accompanied me throughout my employment with the firm. I became aware of these individuals through personal friends of Mr. Yanku, including; Gregory Vargo, of Perkins & Will, NYC., who had befriended my former client, Simon Zalkind, of Denver. Each of whom may serve as my material witnesses.

Widely known in the trade journals, "Ezra Stoller" and "Norman McGrath" had thoroughly photographed the World Trade Center for a period of many years prior. They created some of the finest known images of the towers, the most memorable ones had circulated the world, as book covers and on posters, often featuring the Statue of Liberty in the foreground. 'Why' these famous photographers were released from their contracts, and I was subsequently hired, is beyond my comprehension. Neither party has released a single WTC photograph since! So I ask, on what basis would two independent parties willingly 'throw-away' something of say, easily $100,000. in current resale value?

Before I began any coverage of the site I was required to thoroughly analyze the Original WTC plans and over 5,000 original copy written photographs. (Many were signed gifts.) I had asked every available associate in the office a lot of questions which provided me with the information I have covered here. However, during that first week, the "librarian" at Emery's offices, (who served as the firm's main corporate secretary and receptionist,) had refused to answer even the simplest of my questions about the buildings. This presented my first challenge, and triggered my concern over some of the materials, (and particularly the physical ones) that I discovered.

I was particularly interested in why they had commissioned *three* entirely different sets of plans for the towers? Their answers were logical, since AutoCad didn't exist when they began. The plan-set posted widely on the internet-"was created ONLY for interior refurbishment."

Not long after the buildings were built, the WTC owners created a separate contract to retain the architects and their "official photographers," as well as several principal engineers from the original consulting firm; "to establish the safety of the twin towers." Each of their staff members worked on this project on a "full-time contract basis," most of them for a period spanning from around 1976-78, or about 10 years, prior to my arrival.

By 1987, according to Mr. Yanku; "there are about 15 participants from ER&A, who have been continually retained for the structural research project, from the onset." This is a huge admission, because their names, and the positions they held therefore must be listed on numerous documents of record.

My assignment was: "To photograph Both of the Towers in their contextual situation. Not just the buildings, but especially how they 'fit' with the neighborhood, including 1-point perspectives of every adjacent structure." Roth had, "been in contact with the property management personnel that this would directly concern." This reinforces my point about potentially available written records! I was only asked to provide my drivers license to access these buildings, with hardly a minor glitch. This was an inherently ludicrous, yet highly challenging request, making it right down my alley! The project was titled "the Bridgeways Project."

Their stated objective was; "to encircle the entire twin-structure with scaffolding, to insure the safety of pedestrian traffic during the complete de-commissioning of the towers."

Following a month and a half of coverage I had exhausted my interest in the street vantage-points, so I decided to go up in the towers early one morning, just to see which adjacent rooftops offered the most suitable additional vantage-points. My memory of these dates is the fact it was far too chilly for me to access any of the higher rooftops. This was either May 9th, or June 9, 1987.* [Technically, I was actually residing at Tony Parker's in Woodstock-Saugerties at that time.]

My apartment on Thompson St. was searched about a fortnight after I moved there. My girlfriend had a shop a few doors down. She became alert to the fact that we were being followed for a period of two years thereafter. Occasionally, she would ask: "Who's that guy?" - "Who are those two guys following us?" They were the same two photographers, "assigned to supervise the clean-up operation for FEMA",-Jim Chestnutt and Kurt Sonnenfeld. (photos provided.) As my proteges in Denver will attest, they were completely incongruous in promoting themselves as a professional "photo-assistants" to various friends of mine at the time.

This pair did not go unnoticed by David Zinser's landlord and neighbor, Frank Ponte. Both he and 'Doc' provided their assurances for my safety, and I soon believed it was entertaining 'to be tailed' in this way. (Doc's got a PhD in spy novels.) About two years later, I made a scheduled visit to see my friend Haidar's Studio, on Sunset Boulevard, in LA. Later that week, we received a visit from these two, again offering their "professional assistant services." -This time, I directly confronted the pair, and I said, "You two guys look familiar." With this, Kurt said, "I'll wait in the car," and he left without looking back.

Jim, (the serious one) remained calm, so I asked him outright: "Are you an FBI agent? Why have you followed me to LA? - This startled him noticeably and his response confirmed that he had received rigorous, professional training. He said nothing more than,- "I believe this interview is over." (Real photographers would have laughed at these assertions!) As soon as he departed, I asked Haidar to let me use his car to follow them! Instead, he physically restrained me, and said; "How about let's you live another day. I know who they are, I can find them." But, he refused to elaborate in any way. "Forget it," he would say, "Let it go, they aren't here to Kill you!"

III.) "FBI" 'take-over' at the WTC!

Aware of the neighboring Manhattan building 'security' protocols, I was well prepared as I entered the building, during the morning rush, at about 9:10am. However, I was singled-out from the ordinary building patrons, and immediately escorted to a secondary check-point by the lobby guards, which entirely caught me by surprise.

I explained my interests politely, assuming that I would be allowed free access to the general 'public' areas, such as "Windows on the World," where, "I was just looking forward to seeing the view." -Evidently, someone had provided them with my photograph because I looked indistinguishable amongst the usual patrons at that time of day. However, I was immediately told that I was on a list of persons who were explicitly to be escorted upstairs, "to insure that I would arrive at the engineering office in time for Our meeting." - What meeting, I thought?

The suite was listed on the Guard's ledger as: "Skilling & Jackson, P.C.," -a name I had seen somewhere in print, but I had no prior relations with. I thought, being fully aware that Emery Roth had NOT maintained an office in the building for many years, so clearly this was NOT a situation vaguely pertaining to me! Two regular WTC official guards came from the nearby service area (rear) to escort me upstairs. As we arrived at the 'skylobby,' two, different guards accompanied me from there.

When we arrived at the door to this suite, (Tower 1, around the 84th to 86th floor, North) there was yet another guard standing outside, and I became highly skeptical by this point because of the temporary qualities of the sign on their 'main' office door. They had a brand new, fake wood engraved plastic sign, it read: "Skilling Associates, P.C." (I thought, this name doesn't match, and this office has been here for what, over 10 years?)

"Everyone sit down and be quiet." "Who's this?"
-The Chief orator said loudly, starring at me, as the guards led me toward the door of an isolated, (est. 14'x 24') glazed conference room, immediately to the left of this rear entry.

I said: "I am the official photographer from Emery Roth," and offered to shake his hand. Un-flinching, somber and businesslike, he said without drawing a breath,- Then, you are to be included, who sent you here?

I said; "Barry Yanku- I just got a message from his secretary." (Which was not true, but she had called me about something the day prior, but I was not able to learn why she had called .)

He nodded and addressed the full group, (then reading from a 4x5 file-card,) "As you know some of your associates have worked as absentee members, and each of them have already confirmed their knowledge of, and prior 'agreements of compliance' with the orders I have described to some of you earlier today.

He said to everyone: "Listen carefully, nobody gets out of this!"

"Each of you were called here to sign an affidavit of non-disclosure. None of the information from our project can find it's way into the public-eye. Absolutely nothing that we have learned from this project can be revealed to the public because it is potentially damaging to our client. Some of you have enjoyed 10 years of service on this project for our client. Each of the team leaders have recently received raises and additional benefits. { someone } -has already received a new assignment and he will be getting a healthy raise at his new location, which, as I've explained to each of you, must remain undisclosed."

"I know this transition will take you by surprise, but there was no other way to handle it. You are All terminated from this project effective immediately! This means you need to clear your desks and surrender all of your files by the end of the day. I will assist you in getting these papers into the archive cabinets so we can give them to the owners for safekeeping."

"After you have signed these forms, we will have a short recess. You may go to the Cafe, or to 'Windows' for lunch, but do not leave the buildings! "

"I want you all to know that I am sad to have to break this news. Your fine work here will not go unnoticed. Each of you has provided an invaluable service and we are all grateful. Do not think that this action shows any reflection on the exceptional quality of your individual work!"

This guy's speech sounded like a military operation. Everyone in attendance could tell he had no connection to the Port Authority, or the WTC Security Staff, yet no one in the group recognized that I didn't technically work for their firm, and I had no business being there!

"The 'Critical' issue with these Structures:"

Next, we were escorted to "lunch," at around 10:15am., where I was able to visit with 4, or 5 of the lesser engineers, without oversight from the supervising officers. I played it really cool despite my total ignorance. Each of these men were genuinely furious about what had transpired. I said things like,- "Shame we have to disband-band. I was looking forward to being here for at least a few months."-"What do you suppose we've done wrong?" ...Each man (who's identity was not known to me) in turn revealed:

"The fact is, we all know that the buildings can't stand safely for over 40 to 60 years. It's not the sub-soil, that's granite. They must have received the completed demolition report, which we all knew to expect. It was supposed to be finished months ago. Clearly it looks bad. Well, I'm damn sure we all know the real implication- that the owners can't ever get their money back! That's what we all learned today. -Thanks, _(no knowledge of person he named)_, -screw you!"

I asked: -"Why? What do you mean;- how Much too much?"

"It's $2.6 Billion just to erect the two scaffolds to surround both buildings, and that's only the beginning. They literally have to re-build them, then un-build them, twice! -Now it's obvious, bottom-line is that the developer will have to sell soon, or take a serious bath; ...Total?- You tell me, $4.5 Billion, or so!" (I forgot his figures.)

-"Why now?" I asked. "They still seem really stable, -architecturally."

"They are much too big. It's come down to a piece-by-piece problem. They simply can't be imploded, we know of no other way. Why do you think they hired me for 10 years to find other solutions? I'm not a structural specialist, just an architect, and a pretty damn good one at that! "

- "I thought Barry said you guys were about to find a solution."

(I could sense this was the wrong thing for a non-participant to say.) A definite look of concern spread over their faces, until I said-"What's a few more flying buttresses going to cost?" It was a lame assertion, but they certainly bought it, as a joke, and everyone relaxed, as I said something like; "So, what about me, should I be composing a resume for my next 'real-job' interview?"

Then someone asked, "Why are you allowed to free-lance?" He asserted: "None of us were allowed to be holding other jobs, as long as we've held these titles, because of the contract-stipulation that had occurred about 4 years ago." - "Tom, Were you aware of this?"

Of course, I had to answer, "No." Which immediately indicated the end of their interest in confiding in me. Instead, they all griped about the pathetic lunch. "This is horrible, I can't eat here!" No one was very relaxed at any point. The more I had learned, the more scared I was, still I played the Jr. draftsperson, listening for more fascinating inside news. -Fat chance.

-Finally, truly pushing my luck, I prodded again, directly addressing the most reserved engineer in the group. "-So tell me about the electrolytic issue?"

Everyone went quiet at first. But, they all realized that we had been sharing some deeply guarded insights. One man began a patent, evasive narrative, clearly not about to go anywhere. But, this main guy had sensed that I actually did know as much as each of them about the compositional, and mechanical arrangement of these disparate metals. By then, I had effectively blown my cover, yet their identities were unknown to me, and we ALL knew that we had found ourselves in a similar jamb here.

He said: "If you are referring to the coring project, I don't think any of us here had any direct involvement. That was terminated a long time ago." I asked; Is it not feasible to simply put a sleeve in with the bad bolts, to separate the metals?

With this, they all joined in, and I got all I needed to know.- There were a total of about 15 floors which had received new bolts, each bolt-hold requiring a noisy core-drilling which had caused the project to cease. The procedure caused a 'ringing' that transferred the noise, vertically throughout dozens of floors. This infuriated the tenants, beyond belief, and thus it became an unacceptable and impractical approach.

Suddenly, well short of our hour, two men came in (-swat-team style) to escort us back upstairs. Behind them they had back-ups. They were all being "sent to their desks," (which by now didn't exist,) yet the contents of which were completely boxed and/or removed. The Principal Officer awaited us (actually just me) at the entry door:

"Again, son, tell me who you are?" -he asked, like he had all day to become real friendly. "You guys walk ahead," he said, using assertive body-language to physically indicate that he would be in a position to restrain me right there at the door, or at any time he should choose.

I answered: "I'm T.S. Gordon their new, official photographer. I've only been here two months. Evidently, they were tired of paying Mr. Stoller."

"Who's Stoller?, I only know of a Mr. McGrath? -Are you saying you are Not with Mr. McGrath's photography firm?"

I said; "You don't know Ezra, the world's greatest at shooting tall buildings? Haven't you seen all the great shots up at Emery Roth? -McGrath has shot what, 4 or 5 decent photos in 4 years!,"

(-I was 'acting' as though I were always a sarcastic SOB by nature, until I began to feel that he might arrest me. By the way, Norman's shot's were awesome, but I felt I had to assert a strong, and belligerent opinion here, specifically, just to anchor any notion that he may have had concerning my 'right' to be in attendance here, which I did not, but I didn't care. For me, this WAS serious 'espionage'. )

"Son, I asked you a question, ARE YOU, or ARE YOU NOT working with MR McGRATH?"

(gulp!) "No Sir! I don't work for Norman McGrath, nor have I ever met the man." -I said, quite truthfully.

"You go by, Tom, Thomas, or T.S.?" -He asked, looking again at my Colorado drivers license.

"T.S., or Tom, - I was only contracted to cover site-analysis, not technically just the buildings. I didn't even need to come in here again to complete my assignment!" - I said; "Look, I can find my way to the elevator if you really don't want me here." He immediately grabbed my arm, (like a trained MP,) and proceeded to direct me back out into the corridor behind the others.

"No, funny business, man! I'm going to assume you are who you say you are. You were called in because Everyone had to sign off on their contracts as described in their part in this entire assignment. You say you work for Barry__ -who?"

I responded, "Yanku," and added, "He's the one that cuts my checks, and I give him ALL the film." (I knew Barry was a former, 'on-site' project manager, and that he would probably be "at lunch" if they tried to call. Of course, I lied about giving-up the film. [see: ASMP contract guidelines. ]

"You are not to tell anyone about your employment here, ever!" -he said, "You do exactly what I tell you. You are not allowed to leave these premises. Now, I'm going to have to separate you from the others, while I check your employment status with this Mr. Yanku."

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What I had witnessed by this point was beyond belief! The entire 1/2 office-floor suite had been almost completely emptied by now. In place of the prior cubicle walls they had demarked the entire space with a grid of masking tape. Uniformly boxed and boldly labeled, were only those items, (as he announced to be); "of personal value to their rightful owner."

"Tom, wait here by the window. -IN FACT, all of you with outside affiliations are to wait in a small group here where I can keep an eye on all of you." They (and I) were evidently 'vendors.' A couple of guys took their seats by the North window, but I was really nervous, and I stood against the glass with my back to the FBI. I gazed down on the un-finished looking iron-work of building #7, which I knew had just been 'topped-out' the day before. I began to compose a photographic mental record of the scene below, by extending my thumbs, and shifting my imaginary perspective, as only a large-format shooter might do.

"What are you studying?" someone quietly asked. "I still can't believe that building is that tall and skinny." (And I really couldn't. I had toured #7, with Photographer Bill Charles, about 10 days earlier, before it went 'high-security,' and I was quite curious about this birds-eye angle.)

He stood up, evidently angry, now, and said quite unpleasantly; "Yeah, good old #7, the building that never should have been built!" I was very surprised as he casually, gently bent an ear in my direction. I think he said, (discretely,) "Does Barry even know you're here?" I whispered,- "No" and re-scanned the view, offering him the opportunity to talk... "Are you going to the ceremony, tomorrow at 11:00am?" ...(Hugh?) "I'm considering, why, ...should I?"

The Chief officer, noticing our interaction through the glass, immediately summoned us to stop talking! My instinct was that this man I was talking with was a senior employee, probably the project architect, who had indicated, in this way, a desperate desire to let me know exactly what this was all about!

"Sir, I told you to take a seat." he said, to this guy. With this, the entire East side of the office floor, being some 20 people, went dead silent, thus confirming this man's importance to the team. He separated the four or five of them by one chair each. He made me go to the North East corner, where I had a spectacular view of the Brooklyn Bridge, {which, by-the-way, is the only damn reason I had come here in the first place!}

After about 5 minutes he physically ushered me into the office where there were at least 9, 'FBI-looking' guys, mostly wearing black suits, gathered around the service-grade conference table, clearly not purchased for that tiny room. (Architects, let alone engineers, would never have been dressed so formally, nor been known to organize any office in this way, and I've never met any group that acted so up-tight, much worse so than the Staff at NORAD.)

"Mr Gordon, I'm sorry; Mr. Thomas-Scott Gordon," (he said correcting himself for his witnesses.) "I have called your supervisor at Emery-Roth. He tells me that they Do acknowledge that you have been contracted to photograph the WTC properties." (Note, he did not say "Mr Yanku's" name, and they had not taken the time to discuss any details, so I was "off the hook" in a minor way. Remember, I was NEVER supposed to even be here!)

"I'll repeat for your benefit what has been said to each of the other employees. Your work here is to be terminated immediately! Each member of the staff will be treated as an individual case. You will sign this waiver, which says that you have agreed to comply to an oath of confidentiality concerning your project which we discussed in the hallway." -I asked: "May I read it, before I sign it?" "You may read it, but I can't let you have a copy." I stood at the doorway and read it. After 15 years, I've forgotten the lesser things that were being said between them. A couple of other guys asked me questions too. One man, seated, had asserted a 'superior order' -sounding line. Then, I think the prior leading official said: "Stand-down, Sir, I will handle him." The General (I'll assume that's what he was) chuckled in response to his subordinate, Sergeant's retort. Finally, the General was the one that actually dismissed me, and he even said "good luck with your future photography," which made me think he was playing the Executive architect, and I returned the gesture with a warm,- "Thank You, sir!"

Finally, the Sergeant guy said; "You will be escorted from the premises to assure us that you do not talk to any of the other participants on the way out. And, Mr. Thomas-Scott Gordon; you are not to contact the staff here, -not ever again!" He led me to the door where an armed plain-clothes guard was waiting outside, plus a standard WTC guard. (I think their team members were also mixed-up by now.) At the sky-deck, there were more guards (I hadn't previously seen them) monitoring the freight elevator traffic. The same pair escorted me down to the concierge check-point, where I was identified to the building guards before being taken by the plain-clothes guy, all the way past #6, to the street. -But, why?

Within a few days I called Ezra Stoller, in White Plains. Speaking freely about WTC. He innocently revealed that he - "Wasn't allowed to shoot any more pictures of it." That was a very funny thing to hear him say, because no one ever "doesn't allow" a celebrity photographer to get a better shot! I knew he would hear about this fiasco, but I didn't explain what I had just experienced, only that it was very exciting for me to get to follow in his shoes. I thanked him for the friendly phone visit, and promised to "send him one of my prints, should I ever get any really great shots of the WTC."

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IV.) Post-mortem; -Follow the Money-:

Minoru Yamasaki was working for the Saudi's when he took on this project. After its completion, in 1973, "he returned to Saudi Arabia to consult on other projects," there, he was accredited to "the Saudi Financial Center," evidently just before he died of cancer in 1986. Minoru befriended Richard Roth Sr., while working for 'Brown & Root,' Chicago. Roth was noted for his contribution on the "Columbia Exposition," and the two shared many stylistic attitudes. Richard Roth Jr. was in charge of his dad's firm when he retired. Their clients included: Carnegie Mellon, Stephen Roth, and Jeffrey Levine, Simkin Master's Interests, Alliance Savings & Loan, Avatar Holdings, URA, and DMT, when their focus moved off-shore, to lesser publicized (US) projects in India, and China.

Before the building was sold to Silverstein, (Westfield America,) Stephen Roth, (who I think runs the "ADL" with Vernado Realty,) worked to take the bid as high as possible, offering $750.M more than the next lower bidder. Did he even have the money? Two months before the official auction, he withdrew the ridiculous bid. Could this have been a mistake, or just a 'foil' to make Silverstein's bid look legitimate? Interestingly enough, ADL's global presence was established through a massive re-capitalization in 1991. Researchers have noted that this occurred simultaneous to an unexpected rise in 'neo-Nazism' propagated in Germany, and attributed to "CIA instigators," under George Bush Sr's control.

Another key Houston player, through this period was Charles Hurwitz, owner of MAXXAM who allegedly used junk bonds to buy Kaiser Aluminum International, an office that received the first-hit. Kaiser's liabilities for their 'asbestos' cases were dropped after the WTC was deemed to have been destroyed by terrorists. Hurwitz was responsible for the demise of United Savings Association of Texas, (vis-a-vie, Michael Milken,) clearly establishing him with the Bush family during this same year. Researchers should look closely at the Bush connections to Alliance Savings and Loan. Lastly, I believe that both George Nethercutt (Senate Appropriations) and Andrew Lundquist, (Cheney Energy Director) had my same level of knowledge before the attacks. Doubtless, we can see ongoing connections through the Seattle-to-Alaska military pipeline.

Between 1989 through 1993, the downtown Manhattan real estate market was in decline, offering suspicion that the WTC owners may have accommodated the first bombing, courtesy of either the CIA, or the FBI. Both, The World Financial Complex, and Battery Park Improvements Project had attracted the WTC's biggest tenants, diminishing its lease viability. By 1996, the internet had "decentralized," (or at least threatened,) the financial industry, further eroding the profitability of this property. Each event significantly factors into this timeline, but I remain focused on the underlying motives:

The building was bid at $750.M, and cost$1.2B to build. It was worth about $4. to $5.B at its peak., but, would have cost nearly $15.B to un-build it in 2010 dollars, or as it neared its 1/2 'safe' life. Obviously, it was Imploded, because there was never going to be a 'break-even' point for either, the current, or future owners!

Recently I heard from Tommy Malley, who claims his family are involved in New York City construction. Mr. Malley's testimony sounded very professional as he revealed knowledge of pre-bid information pertaining to the "Decomissioning of theTowers." (A phrase only he and myself have ever used.) Mr. Malley encouraged me to revise my figures, which brings forth a startling, and potentially critical new discovery, which I will quote:

"The owners were fully aware of the problem and had been given the ultimatum that they could not 'implode' the buildings. They received the report stating that: Decommissioning was required by the EPA by no later than 2007, at a projected cost of $20.B"

*After these events, I discussed this with my father at length. His specialty at ALCOA was material-bonding, and galvanic corrosion. Dad's conclusive opinion remains to be, and I quote: "That damn architect is an idiot who didn't deserve his degree!" This was not really Minoru's fault, because aluminum had not yet been tested as a combination-layered structural material in this type of application.

ALUMINUM + STEEL = Electro-mechanical failure!

The exterior Aluminum panels were designed to meet an unusual set of technical specifications. Those criteria were published in various trade-periodicals at that time. This information has not been released by NIST, or otherwise been widely discussed of late. We know that this material was custom manufactured to exacting specifications.

Typical examples from that era had similar alloy compositions, though none were exactly the same as we use today. By varying the percentages of Silica and Alumina, and lesser quantities of Nickel, Tin and Zinc, this material appeared to meet their needs. (I felt it with my hand, and I have handled dozens of unique samples at dad's request.) Uniquely, I thought it had a very coarse-substrate,(6-8g) as though it were cast, but otherwise it appears to have been an extruded profile with a smooth outer finish, having a good-quality brushed sheen. It literally appeared to be brand-new, and far more durable that any of your contemporary aluminum-laminates, such as "Aluccabond I, and II."

This was formally stated as the key to creating an "elastic membrane," that much I remembered as my project began. Materials experts will attest that the entire composition qualities are important to the integrity of this compound.The 'clear,' electro-metallic plating, (then unproven,) may have contained Sulfur, and was pronounced to have; "effectively prevented oxidization and withstanding the elements, performing better than anyone had expected, over time." -(Architectural Record.)

Special 'elasticity' requirements were weighed against the shear-resistance as required to support the vertical, and lateral loads. Experts did not know what alloy mix would ultimately provide the best solution at the time the project was put out to bids. They had certainly evaluated the known "inter-granular corrosion," statistical guidelines, yet this material had never been subjected to this extreme application for civilian use. I had followed some of this in the trade-journals at the time. Choosing the right mixture was sort of a work in progress right up to the final days before the delivery due date. Certainly today's composites exhibit increased qualities in every regard. However, I will cite this photo example from NIST, because it may well be idemnical to the cause, and it certainly serves as an effective visual aid.

[I have illustrated the bolt-hold to indicate the relative severity of the damages involved.]

Internet publishing date: July 7, 2006. By, Thomas-Scott Gordon, Architectural Photographer, Designer, and Audio/Video Systems Engineer. *Minor grammar corrections have been made on 9/29/06. A PDF of the actual documents filed with the US Military is available upon request.*

(A page of photos, as attached to this submission.)

*Addenda on Aluminum,- WTC's weakest link.

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web page is located here:

http://www.redlineav.com/tsg.deposition.1.html

hope this helps some:)

Tom Scot Gordon HAARP

I know you will accuse me of being a CIA agent, wanting to destroy the dangerous 911 movement with my buddy Noam. but I think yous have some thinking to do about HYPOCRICY (or double standards, or conflict of interest, or WEIRD SHIT .. whatever you fancy to call it)

here it is:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/4447

Tom Scott Gordon .. who, I believe, has got it right about the towers having to come down .. also is on the record as being a CROP-CIRCLE SPACE BEAM WEAPONS supporter.

'space-beam' sounds utterly implausible to some, it actually fits the HAARP model perfectly he said.

Now what?

You have to make up your mind. You can

  1. Believe him on the aluminium-steel, but discount his haarp-comment as speculation, he is sane. Thereby becoming a self-serving elitist who just cares about what fits your own pet theory.
  2. Don't believe him at all, in which case you Dont' tolerate ANY conspiracy theories, really.

Re: Lost Documents ...

I trust you have looked here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=“World+Trade+Center+Background+Study+Report”

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22asbestos+removal%22+%22world+trade+cen...

already.


What IP address(es) did attack your computer?

Hint:

START -> RUN -> cmd (ENTER)

netstat -n (ENTER)

if you see endless amount of connections, you are infected. If you only see a few (ESTABLISHED!), but all other programmes are closed ... check what they are.

enter the IP number into

http://dnsstuff.com -> WHOIS

PS

netstat -n > keep01.txt (ENTER)
(this will make a permanent record of your connections at the time... remember to use 'keep02' keep03 etc )

You gave him two choices and

links to a Google search, which he probably has already done and that other place that has nothing to do with his request. Why are you causing unnecessary interference ?
I don't think you were trying to be helpful at all.
That space beam distraction won't work. Sorry.

I make no accusations of the

I make no accusations of the sort.

I thought you might find

I thought you might find this article of interest. The author Googled asbestos and world trade center shortly after 9/11 and gave several urls and quotes from the results. Quite a few of the pages are now 404, but you can still locate them in the Internet Archive. Not precisely what you are looking for perhaps, but it might help.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011221115400/http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/...

Probably you are also aware of the "Port loses claim for asbestos removal" story, but I'll include a couple of links on that one anyway.

http://www.clausen.com/index.cfm/fa/firm_pub.article/article/be77cf5c-fe...

(archive) http://www.webcitation.org/5KhV7q30k

http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referi...

(archive) http://www.webcitation.org/5KhWBxeDa

Update, please????

Has anyone yet found any of these asbestos-removal or demolition estimates, especially from original, pre-911 documents?

I've heard many claims about them but haven't seen harder evidence. Can anyone help?

Port Authority prepared for privatization

Here is a pre-9/11 article (5/31/1998) about how the Port Authority was challenged to keep the WTC towers full of renters, and prepared for privatization. Marsh & McClennan (Paul Bremer's company) signed a lease - the office hit by the first jet, Flight 11.
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/31/realestate/commercial-property-downtown-at-the-world-trade-center-things-are-looking-up....