Yea totally, what the f*ck is this Fetzer promotion bullsh!t on the front page for?! The guys a complete and utter shameless sell-out!

Interestingly, Fetzer's move away from sciencific reasoning accelerated sometime after the O'Reilly interview on or about July 12, 2006. His relationship with a Mr. Mattingly appears to have flourished at that time. Mr. Mattingly's posts can be found on this blog. He (Mattingly) is a proponent of the energy beam theory (amongst other things). His affiliations with other entities are quite interesting.

What other affiliations does Mr. Mattingly have? How do I find his posts on this blog?

I agree with you. I think Fetzer has been a leader of the opposition all the time. He started the organization 9-11 Scholars then after Prof Jones draws attention, Fetzer pulls the switcheroo with the whack job theory of space beams. And then HE gets the invitiation to the National Press Club.

It was a setup.

I believe that the goal of this film is to expose and discredit those inside the 9/11 Truth Movement who may be infiltraitors... people who are spreading these contraversial and unprovable theories....... people who are speaking of things that only divide the supporters and scare off those seeking answers.

am I right???

a film to show them in a light which seperates their beliefs from ours

I believe that if Fetzer was a smart man these theories would be the furthest from the frontlines of this movement... he is supposed to ber moving us forward but instead he leads us in circles which have no ends..... He started the site which was there to give this movement credibility...... yet he discredits us further.

YOu know that the easiest way to destroy a movement is to let it gain credibility.... then just as it's nearing a point where momentum is gained..... someone does something to completely discredit the movement...... this will strike a deep blow... which will criple if not destroy it all together....

You think these people are not thinking one step ahead of us on this? This has all been done before. These people may not be all that smart... but they surround themselves with those who are..... like Kissenger..... He's playing them as they're playing us.

What did Fetzer teach? Mind Control / Propoganda / Etc.... I forget the exact description...... to be able to teach these subjects... you need to know them inside and out.... both sides of the coin.... I'm guessing that the people who took his course..... did not take it to learn how to epose how these techniques are being used.... they took it to learn how to use these techniques.

Where did he get his beginnings? Recieves honors and leadership awards in college then goes into the Marines? Becomes captain...Then teaches at the University of Virginia.

Wasn't he the first to get into the MSM?... Doesn't he always get the best opportunities to influence investigation and thought on the subject? Why?

Di I think Jim Fetzer is a plant? ... I do.... the man has no sense of restraint or common sense... latching onto theories which he can only speculate.....regurgitating it before she had even written a paper......leaving him on my questionable list...... not somone I trust to carry the name of Truth.

Infiltration was a task that would require more than one plant.... a theory can not truely destroy a movement without a second and a third at the very least...... every suggestion needs a "Here...Here"..... Renolds #1..... Fetzer #2..... Wood #3..... they all gain credibility then all latch onto a theory that has some evidence that some advanced technology does exist... or is made to look like it exists..... a theory that is out there just enough to make people question the validity of those theories.... then question the people.... then question the movement that those people represent.

The people sticking their noses into the blogs and propogating these theories are merely icing on the cake... trying to further divide us... as well as being here just in case someone researching decides to browse this site for information... because there are new people every day discovering the truth. We are having an effect... and it is noticable....they thought this would break us.... but it was merely a speedbump in the path of out juggernaut...and now they are trying their damndest to suppress our momentum

If this film is not exposing these people for who they are..... then there needs to be a film which does

as well as the treatment that our movement recieves when we do get MSM coverage... showing the footage they refuse to show

We should have paid more attention:

ScholarsFor911Truth.org:
Muddling the Evidence

by Jim Hoffman

The website ScholarsFor911Truth.org serves as the public face… but the website's content is not necessarily representative of the views of the group's members… instead of amplifying the excellent work of Steven Jones and some of the group's other researchers, it promises to undermine that work, and possibly the work of all scholars raising questions about the official story.

Since the tragedy itself, the 9/11 Truth Movement has been plagued by both misinformation, and by deliberate disinformation that has been injected into the debate in order to discredit challenges to the official account.

One need look no further than the attack pieces by Popular Mechanics and Scientific American to understand how flimsy, easily debunked claims are highlighted by defenders of the official account to tar the entire community of skeptics as loony conspiracy theorists whose conclusions are not supported by the facts.

Despite the evidence, ScholarsFor911Truth.org has thus far failed to acknowledge that the promotion of nonsensical claims is part of a deliberate strategy to undermine the Truth Movement. Even worse, the website uncritically links to many websites featuring work that is, at best, thoroughly unscientific.

The website features three articles that are labeled "Peer-Reviewed."

If Fetzer's paper has received serious peer review, it doesn't reflect that. It advances a series of arguments that have been conclusively debunked. The paper is the subject of reviews by Michael Green and myself…

The idea of Scholars For 9/11 Truth is a very powerful one, given the respect people give to credentialed individuals… Sadly, Scholars For 9/11 Truth might not have its intended effect of building on Jones' work. Instead it is likely to have the effect of discrediting it by associating it with junk science, such as that used to promote the no-planes theories. Because of the visibility of the flawed ScholarsFor911Truth.org website, this seems probable despite the good intentions and excellent credentials of many of the group's members.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Get ready folks, because this looks like it will be coming to a head real fast. Get your critical thinking caps on tight, and be ready to weed wheat from chaff, and pull the baby before the dirty bath water is thrown out.

For all the good words and good will Fetzer generated for this movement in the past (his once smooth hand, is now wielding a rather nasty stick), the hideous sloppy cluelessness of his "cutting edge" Judy Wood must be confronted head on if/as O'Really has her on his show to "point and laugh at the entire kooky twoof movement".

This is NOT a debate about whether or not people like The Dick and The Bush would covet and/or use nasty exotic secret weapons against it's own people... this has been framed into a one way street by Renolds/Fetzer/Wood/ into an inevitable debate about the unbeknownst "energy secrets" needed to run these postulated weapons.

That is the only place this line of thinking can lead: An electrified third-rail of world-wide truth, justice and peace, that we can be sure the Powers That Be have booby-trapped to secure their hold on power itself.

The fall out from this setup could be very ugly and saddening. Stay strong, and check your truth and justice compass as we head into very rough water ahead.

Peace.

the SPACEBEAM crap was deliberately introduced to muck up the waters. There's absolutely no evidence that that sort of technology was used on 9/11. It's an obvious misdirection used to lesson the credibility of the proven controlled demolition theory of explosives being planted inside the buildings. If you want to start a SPACEBEAM truth movement, by all means go do it, but don't try to insert that kind of unrelated crap into this movement. capice?

Evidence--Judy Wood and Morgan have no evidence. Only speculation, and other evidence that can be explained with thermite.

Please inform Fetzer that that's the case.

It was only a few weeks ago that he claimed it was the "cutting edge" of 9/11 research.

Just forget about it? I don't think so.

I hope thats not true, can you link me to this story.

Thanks John

Go to 5:29 in the video that's at the top of this thread.

Thanks John

November 2006

Uncle Fetzer has been given chance after chance after chance. Sorry, but the SPACEBEAM disinfo that he's been pimping and his disloyal treatment of the scholars group (and EVERYONE in the 9/11 truth movement) by going public with the SPACEBEAMS seals the deal. And no, we will NEVER FORGET. And stop making excuses for Fetzer. He did this to himself.

I am ready to see and judge.

Thanks for your strong point of view, but why does Jon put this up if Fetzer is so far gone; with out a comment?

Is it common knowledge that he is, crazzzzy or a plant in your opinion, stallion4(do you have a name) ?

Regards John

Dz posted it and last time I checked, he's not "Jon", he's "dz".

"do you have a name"

Yeah, it's "stallion4", duh...lol

Sorry, why does dz post this without a comment.

Dz does his thing. I do mine. You do yours. Etc..

In all seriousness, though, many here feel betrayed by what Fetzer did, because most of us trusted him in the beginning, but when he went all SPACEBEAM, that was the last straw.

I personally don't care if he or anyone else wants to theorize about such bizarre things like SPACEBEAMS being used on 9/11 (even though there's no proof of it whatsoever), but when that person self-appoints himself as one of our "leaders" and theorizes about SPACEBEAMS over the national airwaves, well that's a different story and I have a problem with that.

But I'm not telling you or anyone else how you should feel about Fetzer. Come to your own conclusions about whether or not he's credible or can be trusted. But I think he can't be so I vote NO!

Got to go to work, chow John