Support 911Blogger


Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two - Flight Of American 77 Released!

Pilotsfor911truth.org presents its first full documentary based on the American 77 Flight Data Recorder as provided by the NTSB following the full flight in real time as it happens in the air traffic system on Sept. 11, 2001. For a more in depth analysis of the issues addressed in this film and/or your own personal higher quality DVD with extras and without the watermark (and the 2 split second glitches due to upload), please visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org. We thank you for your support and taking the time to inform yourself.

Good job Gid!

That looks like a really good film! :-)

Thanks for helping me with it bro...

Rob
http://pilotsfor911truth.org
http://forums.pilotsfor911truth.org

No prob, Rob. Looking

No prob, Rob. Looking forward to making more movies with pilotsfor911truth.org in the future.

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

Show "Saranya Srinuan" by Amanda Reconwith

STAY ON TOPIC!

What the heck does this ridculously long post have to do with the movie just released? No offense, but we're only interested in feedback ON THE MOVIE in this thread. Use the blog section to post anything else, please.

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

Show "You are not an authority figure" by Amanda Reconwith

bad conclusions on a good analysis

- you point out that AAL77 hit the only reinforced wedge. Good. And where is the further analysis about the nature of the reinforcements ? Which would show that the PENREN program did not only mean the shreddering of the plane but as well (by Kevlar as wallpapers) the impression of a hole too small (bricks hangig in the Kevlar girder)

- you notice the missing trillions AND the positioning of the financial accountants - and on the other side the location of Rumsfelds office. Good. Where is the conclusion about the targetting ? Concentrate more on that.

-You point out the missing air policing. It is the key question, easily to prove. Instead of concentrating on the NATO-SOP QRA you get lost in the speculation about the AAL surrogated by a cruise missile. The falsification of the flight data is obvious. Good. But the evidence of a falsification does not at all substantiate your assumption of a cruise missile. In fact you take the flight data for granted when they seemingly underline your theory, you take Olsons "information" for granted although 13 versions of this story exist all told by her husband - who is what ? Bushs best friend to "win" the elections. This is not a scientific approach.

- Get concentrated on the Boston Center and on the NEADS. Not to follow the SOPs leads directly to Rumsfeld - sitting on his hands, Bush reading goat stories, Cheney sitting on his hands , Myers sitting ... and so on. Speculations based on correct altimeters do not lead anywhere.

bad conclusions on a good analysis

- you point out that AAL77 hit the only reinforced wedge. Good. And where is the further analysis about the nature of the reinforcements ? Which would show that the PENREN program did not only mean the shreddering of the plane but as well (by Kevlar as wallpapers) the impression of a hole too small (bricks hangig in the Kevlar girder)

- you notice the missing trillions AND the positioning of the financial accountants - and on the other side the location of Rumsfelds office. Good. Where is the conclusion about the targetting ? Concentrate more on that.

-You point out the missing air policing. It is the key question, easily to prove. Instead of concentrating on the NATO-SOP QRA you get lost in the speculation about the AAL surrogated by a cruise missile. The falsification of the flight data is obvious. Good. But the evidence of a falsification does not at all substantiate your assumption of a cruise missile. In fact you take the flight data for granted when they seemingly underline your theory, you take Olsons "information" for granted although 13 versions of this story exist all told by her husband - who is what ? Bushs best friend to "win" the elections. This is not a scientific approach.

- Get concentrated on the Boston Center and on the NEADS. Not to follow the SOPs leads directly to Rumsfeld - sitting on his hands, Bush reading goat stories, Cheney sitting on his hands , Myers sitting ... and so on. Speculations based on correct altimeters do not lead anywhere.

link to google video,

link to google video, anyone?

Here ya go...

Google

Great Collection of Flight Related Info...

... and food for thought on the Pentagon Strike / Flyover, along with the discrepancies with the "official" report


The NTSB phonecalls are amazing as are JDX's Flying skills on his direct hit :)

Great Job by all at pilotsfor911truth.org... Respect and Thanks to all !!!

Another day, and another

Another day, and another piece of damning information is revealed, and another day closer to sending these enemies of America to jail or worse. This is great work from Pilots for 911 Truth. Sort it with the prosecution file.

There's a descrepancy...

of about four hundred feet?! That says something. If the NTSB can't explain this sh*t, who can?

Congratulations.

That was an excellent documentary.

all that air traffic audio -

all that air traffic audio - is that actual audio from the flight??

No, it's Rob's modified

No, it's Rob's modified voice. Just added for effect.

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

I know they want the DVD's

I know they want the DVD's purchased, but are they planning a better free version on the internet. This one is almost unwatchable because of the glitches and delays every few seconds.

did you try

pausing and letting it load into the payer's buffer before playing it?

BTW - great documentary - the cruise missle simulation does take a bit of a leap, but just a bit, very plausible scenario and one that's been around for awhile -- I'm sending this link to a retired commercial airline pilot I know who flew in Vietnam -- will be curious to get his take -- have never discussed 911 with him

My box

must not working right. Anyone know where the video is??

WOW!!!

Terrific job, guys! You've made one hell of a case. I am so excited to have this -- congratulations one and all! I'm sending for my copy tomorrow.

(I had to wait a while for it to load, but then was able to watch it in normal time.)

So THIS is what REAL patriotism looks like...no flag car magnets required...

You might want to change the

You might want to change the title and put in a description, so people can find it when they do a search on Google Video.

Exactly

I just looked for it on Google vid and couldn't find any reference to any part of the title.

Impossible to find on Google.

Good job but change the title on Google - so people will want to click it and move it up!

Else it could be about just about anything.

dido

had the same trouble finding with a general search....

Title and Description

For some reason, it takes a while for the title and description to upload. It is in the process so bare with us.

Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie

If we have to wait we will sigh...

Ha Ha just kidding.

That one above.. `Exactly' ..was me... wink wink.

Thumbsup.

SC.

http://www.mime11.com - 911 Videos + Clips

title and description is up

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. Glad you liked it.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org
http://forums.pilotsfor911truth.org

Your video makes the assumption that ...

... American Airlines actually had a Flight 77 scheduled for 9/11/01. At your website, I was directed to evidence that Flight 77 was not on the original American Airlines flight schedule. Yet your video shows an American Airlines aircraft taking off.

I also learned, in your forums, that the transponder signal that was identified as flight 77 was merely from a code number that could be manually entered into any flight transponder in any aircraft.

Who was the eye witness who saw the actual aircraft called flight 77 take off and identified it as an American Airlines airplane? Or is that your object with this video to etch into peoples minds that there really was a flight 77 ?

I'm sorry, but until you can give me more evidence that the non-scheduled American Airlines Flight 77 actually hit the Pentagon leaving insufficient aircraft wreckage, no passengers bodies, luggage, etc and fit into a 16' hole, the reason that the tail registration number was not removed from the FAA registry for at least 2 years and explain the apparent confusion about the various passenger lists, I am not convinced that there really was such a flight. .

thought about that too

having read the same about the flight not really existing...but, what they've done is to work from the "official" flight recorder data as published (from the "real" 9/11/01 AA77 or from wherever) to demonstrate the problems with this data — as for the crash problems, the fly-over after dropping the cruise missile scenario covers that, though it's clearly speculative — albeit plausibly so.

We dont make any assumption.

It is clearly stated in the film that the NTSB makes the claim this FDR is from AA77.

Cheers!
Rob
http://pilotsfor911truth.org
http://forums.pilotsfor911truth.org

Did you watch the video? Did you not understand what it is?

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is NOT saying that the data released by the NTSB *is* from Flight 77 black box. THAT IS THE CLAIM MADE BY THE NTSB. The data was obtained by PF911T via a freedom of information act. THIS is the data THEY say was from Flt 77 and is the data THEY gave to the FBI.

What PF911T has done is analyze that data using flight simulation technology and made that analysis public in this video. What this analysis shows is that 1: The aircraft from which this data came *could not have* knocked over the light poles and *could not have* hit the Pentagon and 2: this data indicates a flight path that differs significantly from the official flight path.

PF911T makes no claims regarding the veracity of the data itself. The point is, this data came from A GOVERNMENT AGENCY (the NTSB) and was given by them to the FBI. However, THEIR OWN DATA shows that Flt 77 or the aircraft from which this data came *could not have* hit the Pentagon in the way it has been described and shown in their video releases.

If you don't understand, please watch the video again. Understand that what we want is another investigation. Someone needs to explain WHY the government's own data *does NOT fit the official public account*.

Painter

If I didn't watch the video, how would I know that it showed an American Airlines aircraft.
It's whitewash.

BTS http://www.bts.gov/progra

BTS

http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/

--->
Detailed Statistics (January 1995 - present)

http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistic...

--->

Departures

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDe...

All Statistics

---->

Origin Airport = Washington Dulles

Airline = American Airlines

Month = September

Days = 11 th

Years = 2001

--->

Submit

AA 09/11/2001 0077 UNKNOW LAX 08:10 00:00 0326 0000 0 00:00 0000

Flight 77 did not fly on Sept 11 2001. Forget the bullshit!

brianv -- couldn't log in.

Did it fly or not?

I've often come across the claim that Flight 77 didn't fly on September 11th, and this page from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics indeed supports that claim: http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDe...

if you click the link, you'll need to input the search data yourself.

(I tried to insert a screenshot of the page, but only image URL's can be used in the insert image dialog. Why?)

Has someone looked deeper into this? Has AE been questioned, and has it responded?

Edit: an apparent explanation is that the departure data was simply tabulated a bit incorrectly in the case of Flight 77. It never reached its destination, so perhaps they didn't bother to mark it as having departed.

It did not just 'not depart'

It did not just 'not depart' Vesa, it hadn't been assigned a tail number. This would be a 'Real Time' SQL Database also, it would be updated automatically. So take-off time would have to be included.

Which Gate did it leave from? I think you will have problems finding that out!!

Tail number

Many of the flights from that day -- most of them actually -- were missing the tail number ("Tail number: UNKNOWN") in that table.

Must see the forest and the trees.

look at Pilotsfor911truth.org then under Main page click American 77 (Pentagon) link for the questions the pilots had in summary.

Thanks to all the professional pilots who took time to do the research and investigation. And I really have a lot of admiration for these pilots because they are so skilled and knowledgable.

The big picture (the forest) for me is why did Langley screw up and send pilots out to sea to intercept russian planes rather than to intercept whatever it was that flew into the pentagon. Flight 77 took off at 8:20 and finally hit the pentagon around 9:40. How could they not have been protecting the pentagon airspace given that the WTCs were hit around 8:45 and 8:58. That is the 64000 dollar question. And Cheney saying the orders still stand. What is that all about ? I think anyone can agree that these are the big questions that need to be asked. And why all the secrecy around flight 77. Why don't we get all the camera footage ?? Why was the most protected area on the planet not protected on 911? I smell a rat.

And why did Rumsfield announce 2.3 trillion missing on September 10th. And then the next day something hits the very spot where an investigation of this could be done. The very spot of the pentagon which was just reinforced which was called the catcher's mit and which had just conveniently been completed by the AMEC construction company. The Amec construction company also helped with the 911 WTC criminal evidence "cleanup". The AMEC construction company also was connected to building 7 and Solomon Bros (who occupied the top 20 floors) which is owned by Citibank.

Other thoughts:

There was a 911 commission animation tape of the flight path of Flight 77 ?
Did this 911 commission animation also come from the blackbox ??
How was the 911 commission animation tape built ? ie. does anyone have more info on this tape.

There is also a NTSB animation tape of the flight path of FLight 77 that reflected the excel data (except for the huge piece of data about the 440 foot altitude discrepancy and the steering wheel of the plane never leveling off) which came from the black box.

And in the film the authors discuss that flight 77 actually at the points of where the poles were knocked down was 440 feet higher off the ground (based on the excel data it got from NTSB that contains the data about the flight path). So, there is no way that that flight 77 could have hit these poles as we have been led to believe based on the black box data. So, this is telling me the NWO is powerful and ruthless but also has an Achilles heel and that is the dike in the finger job they are doing with the pseudo science cover up of 911. The NWO can NOT make reality say 2 plus 2 is 5. Reality and nature and science will always say 2 plus 2 is 4.

And in this film the authors say there is no way that 77 could have hit the pentagon on a level flight path (as in the tape just released by the pentagon) because the flight 77 steering wheel was not in a position to level the plane off as it approaching the Pentagon.

So, in conclusion what these professional pilots are saying is that the new black box data from NTSB does not stand up to scrutiny. The new black box data shows that flight 77 could not have hit the 5 knocked down poles (because flight 77 was 476 feet above the ground), could not have cleanly missed the lawn because flight 77s steering wheel direction was never leveling the plane and finally could not have been the object with the level flight path in the video hitting the pentagon for the same reason. The data on the blackbox is supposed to prove that flight 77 hit the pentagon but the black box data doesn't jive with the crime scene. THe author of this video said the NTSB animation was not accurate since it puts the plane 440 feet lower than its true altitude.

Was a blackbox gotten from somewhere and bogus data written to it and then given to the NTSB ? I am positive that there has to be black box manufacturer testing software that can write bogus data to these black boxes. The data looks somewhat accurate to the laymen but not to the scrutiny of a group of professional pilots

And finally Republican Senator Ron Paul for President in 2008.
He is a real honest constitutional patriot.
A flight surgeon in the Vietnam war.
We need to fund a small trustable army to protect the guy's back and front from now thru 2016 if he were to win two terms.

NWO = Zionists

It was Zionists who pulled off 9/11 (Zionist does not mean Jewish). The only people with the ability to carry out such an enormous crime must also own the media, hence the cover-up. BTW, the same people who own the media own the military-industrial complex. Go ahead and vote me down now.

AWESOME POINTS---ROCK SOLID

AWESOME POINTS---ROCK SOLID

RE: "So, this is telling me

the NWO is powerful and ruthless but also has an Achilles heel and that is the dike in the finger job they are doing with the pseudo science cover up of 911. The NWO can NOT make reality say 2 plus 2 is 5. Reality and nature and science will always say 2 plus 2 is 4."

>>>> John Judge claims

that the NWO, which is a continuum of the OWO, really wants their adversaries (at the moment present company) to find just enough clues to be convinced of their omnipotence; i.e. "...we can get away with anything, so do you really want a piece of us, or maybe you'd prefer to just MYOB?"

The closer you get to these people, the more it tests your mettle. Did I hear right that Mike Rupert, after his offices were ransacked, just got outta Dodge?

Very nicely done

Another nail in the coffin for the perpetratorsof 9/11. I willing be purchasing this video and sharing it with others. Thank you.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html

"American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard."

They only print 55 names.

There was NO flight 77. HOAX

brianv -- again problems logging in.

9/11 made possible by CIA, ISRAEL, & Britain

Israel & Britain are helping the CIA to destroy AMERICA. boycott ISRAEL & Britain

It was the Zionist Machine

that did 9/11 and this site won't let that idea float any more than the no planes theory. makes me wonder why this site is constantly promoting loose change, alex jones, tarpley, etc. could it be that they won't touch the israel/mossad connection? wake up, people. all roads lead to israeli intelligence. it's so frickin' obvious.

You think maybe its because

You think maybe its because we don't know exactly who did 9/11 or what happened on that day? We're all here to share theories, but you seem to know exactly who did it somehow. Are the Zionists a part in it? All signs point to yes. Are they the only ones involved and the only ones who should be implemented? Not in the least.
Stop posting here if you're just gonna say "IT'S WHO I THINK DID IT, AND NO ONE ELSE! IF YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT I THINK IT IS, THEN YOU'RE A SHILL AND EVERYONE ELSE IS TOO WHO WON'T MENTION IT."
If you have something to say, say it and give us some links to do some research. Don't just keep making claims and getting upset at us and others for not reaching your same conclusion.
And if we are all shills, why are you here?

good work, its nice to see

good work, its nice to see that people are still working. 9/11 has never been truthfully investigated, hopefully this can help. Not just help the families but help America

Great Work Pilots911. Questions..

That ridiculous turn is the clearly the smoking gun of the AA77 coverup. There is no plausible reason why a suicidal terrorist hell bent on hitting the pentagon would, with the building directly in sight, go into that turn.

Questions for PILOTS911

It has been suggested elsewhere that if a real commerical aircraft had hit those light poles, there would be no way it could maintain control enough to hit the pentagon so cleanly (without touching the lawn). Could a commerical aircraft take out 5 poles and still maintain control? What is PILOTS911 view on this?

It has also been suggested elsewhere that the white object that is clearly visible on the government's released tape of the Pentagon crash is not the exhaust of a commerical aircraft because commercial aircraft only emit such visible exhaust at high altitudes. Aircraft flying at lower levels, emit an invisible exhaust. What is PILOTS911 view on this?

Lastly, I have seen several stories about a capability to remote control aircraft, including commercial aircraft, to the extent that even pilots cannot override this system. Is this fantasy or a true capability? If its true, does it exist today on commercial aircraft?

Thanks again for your wonderful work.

South Tower Plane Evidence

South Tower Plane Evidence (Must see!)

http://tinyurl.com/y2qm4t

Interesting Video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7214790644390578276&hl=en

Wonder if this was False Flag.... then our propoganda storm

Welcome to the Cold War

Ooops the data slipped out

I thought that this film was great at disputing the dataset provided by NSTB. It appears the data given to them by whoever gave them the flight recorder does not match the official conspiracy. So here we have a discrepancy as a result of compartmentalization. It's indeed damning evidence of some kind of cover up when official data does not correspond with what "officially" happened. The conclusion is that the flight data is not the data from whatever object hit the pentagon. Evidence about the angle of approach is especially convincing even if the height or exact flight path were wrong due to technical glitches.

Why does this data set exist? Who gave it to the NTSB?
Also notice how unaware they were about the discrepancy in the data as the phone call at the end reveals.

This is just further negation of the OTC. I would say I'm agnostic on the issue but that's not exactly true. I just have no idea. But for people claiming there is evidence that flight 77 hit there - no actually there is no evidence that might not have been tampered with and now they have yet another contradiction to explain away, which they cannot. The data is fake or the result of a flyover. The data was provided to NTSB to satisfy what that bureaucracy does and allow it's people to put out a report and corroborate the government's story. I'm sure it was not intended that it reach the public domain like it has. This proves coverup.

Up next, I'd like to see a thorough investigative work based interviewing more air traffic controllers and proving the pentagon lied. It was after all Thomas kean who said he was not sure why the officials at the pentagon would lie...
I'm sure if that was looked at closely more of the government's story could be disproved.

LIES LIES LIES

You know I have always been a skeptic of conspiracy theories but after watching
http://pilotsfor911truth.org. I am fully convinced of this conspiracy in our own government to pull the wool over the American public's eye's.and there cover-up of there actions and I am outraged over this.This so called for the people we the people government. This government is so dam corrupt with all the trillions of dollars that are missing and there many black covert opts that get funded illegally.What a path there taking the American people down is totally illegal and immoral and it's time for America to wake the fuck up and make a real change in this government.If you think the democrats or the republicans can make a difference your all wrong, there on the same team. Global corporatism has been sprung into the equation and the greedy and the warmongers whom get filthy rich beyond your wildest dreams Reich in untold profits over the wars they create. when will America,s wake up?

We know they committed treason, now the standard

This is officially the hundredth 'nail-in-the-coffin' for the gov't theory. There's only one important question left concerning the attacks, did the US gov't allow/participate in 9/11?

The answer to that query would explain the illegal wire-taps, opening of mail, suspension of habeas corpus, banning of books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, detaining of dissenters in fences miles away from events, and multiple wars based on lies.

How can the gov't be innocent in 9/11 when we have caught it lying so many times (WACO, Ruby Ridge, no WMDs, USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, ETC.)?

In law, if you determine a person lies ONCE during his testimony, it can be assumed that he lied in the remainder of his testimony. How come we do not hold the gov't to the same standard as it holds us to?

Using that standard, all gov't reports must be considered FALSE until proven Truthful. The tides are turning on the Zionist/Neo-cons, thanks to groups like Pilot911.

Final link (before Google Books bends to pressure and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

letter to Senator Bond of Missouri

Mr. Bond,
We have another very significant question about the report on the pentagon on 911. Please view this video from a concerned group searching for some truth from our current government. http://www.911blogger.com/node/5541
Sir, the facades are coming down. The truth cannot be restrained forever. I sincerly hope all the time(our money) you have spent while in office has been for the people that entrust you with protecting them from corrupt forms of government.
For there is a day of reckoning coming and the truth will shine upon us all. Thank you, J B Mikel
Thank you folks for the tremendous info included! Fantastic job. Let us all put it to good use and demand answers for the discrepencies! Put enough pressure and they cannot ignore us.
JB

Excellent job!

Someone needs to sack Jim Ritter--obviously he's not qualified to do his job( yes, I know he was being dis-info flack--but effectively that means he SOUNDS incompetent).

Also, you can't have it both ways: jumbo jet can't vaporise on impact to explain lack of wreckage AND have uncharred peices of wreckage suitable for photo ops.

Two nits to pick: Jumbo jets are primarily flown by instruments; most pilots couldn't JUST use landmarks to find the Pentagon, much less Hani-"flying by the seat of my pants with the luck of the Devil" Hanjour.

Also, assuming-yawn-the OT was true, would one re-set the altimeter if one as planning to crash? Or does it automaticaly re-set itself from the info inputted from the previous ascent?

Besides that, good show!
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Cruise missile and Poles.

I'm not sure if anybody noticed. Since the actual flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon and a cruise missile did. The five poles that were uprooted from the ground would theoritically have to be caused by the flight of the cruise missile. In this case, wouldn't the cruise missile's stabilizer wing be ripped to shreds by striking the pole?

I do not think the cruise missile's armored nose would hit five poles directly, unless it was pre-designated to do so.

Any explaination?

what

is the pentagon's height above sea-level? Is it much lower than the NTSB's ending figure of 180 ft ?

Good Job! It is a scary

Good Job! It is a scary subject, seems to have been a missle, which brings us to ask, two questions, who fired it and what happen to flight 77?