Most of us are likely to assume that the 911 perps (and their lackies in the press) fall into the 3rd camp -- rogues and reprobates out for cash and nothing more. I think this is a mistake. Even if cash and power are the ACTUAL motivations for these individuals, they have still to justify their actions to themselves in order to sleep at night. Cognitive dissonance is very difficult to live with. Therefore human beings have an infinite capacity for justifying their immoral behavior. They do this via "higher ideals". It's a survival mechanism.

My opinion is that many, perhaps most or nearly all disinformation artists (as well as the perps themselves) justify their actions on the basis of "patriotism". The notion of "western civilzation" is also a constant theme in the speeches of Bush and Blair.

For this reason, an anarchist view of patriotism may be enlightening. It is the only form of patriotism that places mankind above the state.

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Bakunin on Patriotism

Although Bakunin’s view of bourgeois patriotism was profoundly negative, he was not dismissive of all notions of patriotism. The state was not ’the fatherland’ - which he defined as ’the incontestable and sacred right of every man, of every human group, association, commune, region, and nation to live, to feel, to think, to want, and to act in its own way...’. [13] For Bakunin, despite the bourgeois patriotism and nationalism espoused by the state, the people retained ’a natural, real love’ for what they believed to be their ’fatherland’ and it was this which constituted the ’patriotism of the people’, as a social reality, not the ’false abstraction’ of ’political patriotism’ created by the bourgeois state. [14] The ’fatherland’ was whatever the individual person or any community of persons believed it to be: every person had an ’incontestable and sacred right’ to make a free choice.

Bakunin provided a clear illustration of these principles in this scenario which he described in relation to a hypothetical claim by the state of Italy for a canton of Switzerland:

We are told that such and such a region - the canton of Tessin [in Switzerland], for instance - evidently belongs to the Italian family: it has language, morals, and everything in common with the populace of Lombardy, and therefore it should become part of the Italian state. Our answer is that this is an utterly false conclusion. If there really exists a substantial identity between the Tessin canton and Lombardy, there is no doubt that Tessin will spontaneously join Lombardy. If it does not do it, if it does not feel the slightest desire for it, that will simply go to prove that real history - which continues from generation to generation in the real life of the people of the Tessin canton, the history which produced its reluctance to join Lombardy - is something altogether different from the history written in books. [15]

Bakunin’s reference to different kinds of history is interesting here. There is the history ’written in books’, which is contingent on who writes it and why it is written, and there is ’real history’ which is the story of the ’real life of the people’. The distinction was important for Bakunin, as it is or should be for social historians today.
Bakunin’s anarchist understandings of nations and nationality - distinct from the people’s patriotism which could be understood as affection for the ’fatherland’ - were expressed most clearly in his discussion of Slav nationalist aspirations. He asserted that

Nationality is not a universal human principle but an historical, local fact...Every nation, even a small one, has its own character, its own particular way of life and manner of speaking, feeling, thinking, and behaving. These distinctive features are the essence of nationality, the product of a nation’s entire history and conditions of existence. Every nation, like every individual, is of necessity what it is, and has an unquestionable right to be itself. So-called national rights consist precisely of this. [16]

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Proudhon on Patriotism:

Perhaps the reason for Proudhon's relative neglect
in England and North America is the peculiarly Gallic
nature of his genius, which makes even his writing diffi-
cult to translate in such a way that more than a suggestion
of its strength and style are retained. For this convinced
internationalist, this hater of states and frontiers, was also
a passionate regionalist, a true patriot who loved his
land and its traditions and was never happy in exile even
among people who, like the Belgians, spoke his own
tongue. He could reject the French state, like all other
states, as a "fictitious being, without intelligence, without
passion, without morality," but with equal sincerity he
could apostrophize France itself in the most lyrical of
terms:

O my land, my French land, the land of those who
sing the eternal revolution! Land of liberty, for despite
your bondages, in no place on earth, either in Europe
or in America, is the mind, which is the entire man,
so free as on your soil! Land that I love with all that
accumulated love which a growing son has for his
mother....

Yet he could say also -- and here his sincerity is perhaps
deepest of all -- "if I were forced to choose between the
two I should be man enough to sacrifice my country to
justice."

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The State vs. Geist

The state...exists for the people as a miserable replacement for Geist...and now the people are supposed to exist for the sake of the state, which pretends to be some sort of ideal structure and a purpose in itself, to be Geist...Earlier there were corporate groups, clans, gilds, fraternities, communities, and they all interrelated to form society. Today there is coercion, the letter of the law, the state. [27] Landauer

’The Volk or the nation is an older, more genuine illusion which must be liberated from its coupling with the lie...the state’. [34]
As Lunn noted, he sought
the development of a united humanity of diversified Völker. The way toward a united Europe lay through the prior "bottom-up" groupings of culturally similar nations...[in 1912 he called for] a potential "united Völker of humanity", a union of Swiss, Belgian, Alsation, and Dutch ’nations’ as a neutral Völkerbund based on geographical and historical-cultural unities. [35]

’If I want to transform patriotism then I do not proceed in the slightest against the fine fact of the nation...but against the mixing up of the nation and the state...’. [36]

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Thoreau:

I would remind my countrymen that they are to be men first, and Americans only at a late and convenient hour.

--

Orwell:

Patriotism is a devotion to a certain place, a certain way of living, which you think is the best in the world but which you do not want to force upon others. Patriotism is defensive, militarily as well as culturally - contrary to nationalism which is inseparable from lust for power.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

I have just been listening to Jim Fetzer's show from 25-Jan-2007.

His special guest was Judy Wood.


I would normally ignore this, but as they laid into the 911Blogger website and piled on the disinfo HEAVILY, I wanted it posted for historical purposes.

I can only speak for myself, this show left me nauseated.


You can find the MP3 - [ HERE ]


Thanks to http://911underground.com/ for hosting...

My sincere apologies, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Good luck

The individuals I just described are so full of sh_t it's not even funny. Not ONE individual I have ever met that has taken the time to look at the information has suddenly flipped off the switch, and turned to the "dark side."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

that many of the 'original' truthers were prepositioned in the movement from the very beginning - to disrupt. especially in NYC.

these are now the same people who have taken their disinformation campaigns national. this is no coincidence.

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

...but we all know Nico - so i will use him as an example.

Nico was one of the very first members of NY911Truth. from the very beginning he was a disruptor - always at odds with the other members - insisting on bringing the most radical and tasteless banners and signs to ground zero - always making us look bad and threatening to the public - always losing his temper at 911 events, making scenes and screaming at people on stage - always fronting the most sketchy research, while actively attempting to debunk our most solid leads - always smearing other members and guests at our events.

finally - he was thrown out of the group as an obvious disruptor. he of course claims this was his own choice.

he now has taken his disinfomation and disruption to new levels - no longer effective on the local level.

but of course - Nico was not the only one who disrupted the NY movement. i could give you a laundry list of mind-boggling disruptions - but i am not interested in opening up that can of worms.

To AZ?

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

but i will be in Columbus to confront Fetzer

If I can manage to shell out the ridiculous amount of money for plane tickets, so can you.

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Dr Fatzer –

Why is it that you find it necessary to drag Dr. Stephen Jones’ name into every discussion?

I find your particular brand of opportunism, at the expense of those who seek social justice in the face of the unimaginable human tragedy of 911, to be offensive.

Ostensibly I am a filmmaker, and I am interested in your work from a journalistic perspective. As you may or may not know I am currently working on a film entitled: Disinformation in the Information Age. It is my hope that your work will play a central and pivotal role in this film. And, so far, it appears that you will not be disappointing me.

As many of us already know, your reputation precedes you. Your involvement in the JFK assassination community, in which you found yourself at the center of massive conflicts in which you accused others of being agents and spies – while fronting absurdist theories (such as claiming that the Zapruder film is a hoax) – seems to almost exactly mimic your problematic behavior now in the 9/11 Truth movement.

Specifically, I am interested in your advocacy of certain lines of research – including:

1 – Your claims that the WTC towers and surrounding buildings were destroyed by exotic weaponry launched from Building 7 – including a star wars type energy beam.

2 – Your claims that a grand piano dropped from the top of the WTC could take 30 seconds to hit the ground if the lid of the piano acts as a parachute.

3 – Your claims that you possess information indicating that detention centers around the country have giant guillotines erected waiting to lop off people’s heads.

4 - Your collaboration with Judy Woods who has made claims that plane wreckage was ‘planted’ at ground zero – and the towers are similar to the Keebler Elves’ tree.

5 – Your collaboration with Morgan Reynolds who has made claims that no planes were involved in the attacks of 911, and who stated on National television that we all witnessed “cartoon planes”

6 – Your collaboration with Rick Siegel who has made claims about mini-nukes at ground zero- and black ops helicopters collapsing the towers.

It is my OPINION that this represents disinformation – whether intentional or unintentional in nature. As a journalist I am investigating this.

Frankly, Dr. Fatzer, I would never choose to accuse you of being a government agent. I simply do not have evidence to prove this.

But I would go as far as to say that your theories and research constitute PROFOUNDLY poor judgment, lacking even the fundamental common sense logic and empirical scientific evidence to constitute legitimacy.

As such, I unfortunately believe that you are doing great harm to the cause of social justice and 911 TRUTH, by presenting wildly speculative and, frankly speaking, SILLY NONSENSE, either intentionally or unintentionally, as a substitute for real research.

And while you list off your own accomplishments, public appearances and involvement in Scholars – I would ask you towards what ends these accomplishments serve if you use the public platform you are given to present theories that embarrass and discredit this movement, attack your fellow researchers and sew divisiveness?

Lets speak frankly sir. If you cannot differentiate between the legitimate quest for truth, and such theories as space beams and mini nukes and no-planes and pods, then you are certainly opening yourself up to public criticism.

And just as you have chosen to publicly air your dirty laundry regarding your conflicts with other scholars, the same standard of thorough and meticulous examination of your work is SURELY within the bounds of acceptable behavior.

I am not stalking you sir. I simply intend to document your work and offer my own editorial comments in the form of criticism, unvarnished speculation and a fair amount of humor at your expense.

Similar to your distorted telling of events surrounding your conflict with other members of Scholars - it appears that you lack even the basic integrity to engage in even a fundamental debate of the facts - no less history and science.

Your repeated use of the term "Stalking" is proof of that. It is an intentional distortion.

But i supose that as a public figure with highly controversial theories you are beyond reproach. You should simply be issued a 'free pass' with no critical analysis of your work?

Sir - i wear your insults like a badge of honor - and it appears that this movement is prepared to place you in the same dustbin of history as Nico Haupt. Congratulations on your fine work.

I believe many of the the theories you promote is intentionally incorrect - thus disinformation - originating from parties unknown. At least that is how it appears.

Your involvement in spreading this disinformation may be the result of a profound lack of mental resources. This is called "giving you the benefit of the doubt." This would make you simply a useful idiot - akin to a village idiot - the intellectual equivalent of someone who makes a lot of noise - full of sound and fury - in the village square - but signifying nothing. Someone who embarasses themselves publicly. Someone who rubs a small piece of velvet on his cheek while passing incessant flatulence in public. a fool. a disgrace. a laughing stock. an embarassement to his community. an intellectual slob.

The other option is that you are intentionally spreading this disinformation. This would make you a disgusting human being - actively betraying the trust of those in the 9/11 Truth community who seek the facts behind the deaths of their loves ones. This would be the equivalent of the nazi propagandists who claimed the jews were emmigrating out of germany - while in fact they were being killed. this would constitute a crime against humanity.

It is my hope that you are simply a fool.

some things are self evident.

look - we are all just doing our jobs here. you had to expect this was coming. we are all in unchartered territory here.

have you ever read "the Guns of August?" it is about the generals in World War 1 who miscalculated how to fight that war - because all their theories were based on the LAST war - and they failed to take into consideration the march of technology and mechanized warfare. the war therefore dragged on for years. ah.... the best laid plans of mice and men......

it remains to be seen if your work (and i do not mean your research) will WORK in the 21st century. it may just be that disinformation becomes counter-productive to your cause as a result of the information superhighway. you've taught classes on this - so surely you are interested in how all this plays out.

i guess we'll see - huh? who knows - perhaps the war with Iran will make both of our jobs unnecessary soon - and you will be reassigned to the antiwar movement - and embarassing antiwar activists.

but - in my humble opinion - your efforts are counter productive. instead of discrediting this movement - you are empowering it. you are becoming a poster child for truth - be demonstrating vividly the inherent dishonesty and transparency of your own motives. people may not be as easily manipulated as you think.

frankly - i do not think shadow boxing with the 911 truth community will keep the real truth from emerging any more than you can ever hope to hold back the ocean with a broom.

so - what do you accomplish? buying time? i suppose. distracting people. certainly.

but - i suggest to you that there is a real danger that all of this could FLIP on you in unexpected way. There is ALSO the very real possibility that your efforts could result in PROPELLING 911 TRuth forward by creating a contrast for people that is very easily understood - and self evident. if YOU are selling lies - then what exactly IS the truth?

i suggest too you that space beams may in fact be the best thing that every happened to the 911 truth movement. it may just get people angry enough to rise up and demand REAL answers.

best of luck.

OMG, Star wars beam weapons are attacking cars on the highway!!!!
(notice the finely waxed backend!!!)
(you see the circular beam hole over the door in this one!?!!? OMG!)

I can't believe you are still sticking up for Siegel. Who do you think just bought Nico Haupt his own domain?

Domain Name: 911BLOGLINES.COM
Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.wildwestdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.wildwestdomains.com
Name Server: NS1.911CITIZENSCOURT.COM
Name Server: NS2.911CITIZENSCOURT.COM.

Be sure to visit that site and see how many time Siegel complements Nico on his "research". And this is the guy whose website you now promote on your own website? You are getting in bed with the worst of the worst.

I registered just so I could respond to you and say that I don't think you are "disinfo" or that you are an "agent". Quite frankly I think you are just teetering on the edge of reality. Go much further and you will end up like Haupt, unable to write a coherent sentence, much less a paragraph.

There is a simple explanation for those cars...

it was a calibration error when they fired up the space beam flux capacitor... The aliens who were manning the space ship got sent back in time to 1933, and on their return accidentally pressed the fire button before it got into it's correct orbit....

Sorry about that...

Fetzer, you're a disinformation advocating sell-out, no one worth mentioning respects you anymore, please get off this site, you're not wanted here!