Arizona 9/11 Accountability Conference Removes Williams

Arizona 9/11 Truth, sponsor of the 9/11 Accountability Conference taking place in Chandler in late February, has removed Eric Williams from its list of speakers and from its program schedule. Earlier today, a post of mine noted that he had been re-titled on the conference website's "Contact Us" page from "Conference Director and Webmaster" to "Vendor Coordinator." He remains on the contact page in this reduced capacity.

Earlier this week, delver of TruthMove posted a blog alerting the 9/11 community to the fact that Williams is currently promoting a book with on Auschwitz which refers to the "alleged Holocaust."

good move

9/11 Truth doesn't need people like that.

This rocks.

I hope that everyone who contacted members of Arizona 9/11 Truth will take the time to contact them again and congratulate them for doing the right thing.

I didn't notice this at first, but they have added this statement to their homepage:

"The 911 Accountability Conference does not in any way support Holocaust denial nor does the 9/11 Truth Movement or any speaker involvement here. Eric D. Williams has stepped down from involvement in the 9/11 Accountability Conference."

YES!

Casseia, you rock - thanks so much for the effort you put into sorting this out!

See you in AZ  

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Show "freedoom" by get it right

"Freedoom"

Never has a misspelling seemed more apropos. Just kidding, gir -- but go check out the other thread on this (the one with "Holocaust Denier?!" in the title.) You can be for free speech, for someone's right to inquire, skeptical of any "sacred cow" historical narrative, and so forth, and still think that mixing 9/11 Truth with Holocaust revisionism is just a really, really, really bad idea.

Moreover, if I get any sense that someone's motivation for this kind of skepticism has anything to do with objectifying/demonizing any group of people and diminishing their suffering, their credibility is shit in my eyes. Use of the phrase "alleged Holocaust" is a deal-breaker.

BTW, I recommend checking out the Wikipedia entry on "Sinti" I wasn't familiar with the term when Nicholas brought it up in the other thread. It refers to a culturally distinct group in Europe, closely connected to the Roma (Gypsies -- that's a derogatory term, btw.) Estimates are that this community lost between 200 thousand and 2 million members during the period of Nazi rule.

I am a simple man, I could

I am a simple man, I could give a shit what happenened in Europe 60 years ago. I just know 60 million people died in that war. I am a firm belever in Normon Finklestien who is Jewish himself said: this holocaust industry wont stop intill we stop it." and he is right.. This Crazy pity party has to end, dont get me wrong I feel bad for the Jews Gypsies chinese inians muslems Christians and every race relgion that had genocide done to it . The Jews are the only race that is profiting finacially and politically from a mass murder and I think that is sick.

wikipedia? really?

Is wikipedia (9/11 DENIERS that they are) really a good source of info on anything? Aren't they guilty of helping to frame Arab Muslims for a crime they didn't commit and thus facilitating a terribly unjust massacre of civilians?

I am shocked, SHOCKED that anyone would quote such a morally reprehensible source of "information". What's good for the goose, eh Cass?

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Reading Wikipedia is like watching FUX news.

It always makes me feel a little dirty. And actually, it's not nearly as bad, because try as they might, a lot of valid information gets in there (FAUX has much better filters.) Anyway, I pointed that out because my own interest in revising the Holocaust narrative is very simple: I don't want anyone to grow up thinking, like I did, that the Jews were the only group who suffered.

During the Iranian conference, NPR had a group of commentators on, and one of them was trying his damnedest to argue that the Jewish experience of the Holocaust was qualitatively different from any other group's experience of genocide. That is reprehensible, in my opinion.

Also, I learned a new word from Wiki: Porajmos, or "the Devouring."

understood, thanks.

I don't want anyone to grow up thinking like I did that Jews were turned into lampshades and soap and had clorophyll injected into their eyes to make them blue. And I only learned that after I started researching the holocaust issue, which I never would have believed had been lied about until I saw how the 9/11 myth was created by fooling so many otherwise good, intelligent people.

No one is ever going to discourage me from looking into any part of history now that I know just how low people can go. No amount of intimidation, ridicule, attempts to shame me are going to trump my own desire to make sense of things that don't.

Wikipedia is a tool for creating ignorance and distorting the historical record, period. It's easy and it's free in a world where nothing good is easy or free.

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There seems to be a deliberate effort to confuse & taint the

"9/11 truth movement" with "holocaust denial."

My guess is that the people behind this ruse think it will make us look foolish & discredit us. Let's remind everyone that "9/11 truth" is NOT related to "holocaust denial."

Show "Gatekeepers' Minds: Half open, Or......" by Caveperson

It was probably a TRAP!!

Casseia~

I think you should track down who set up this ruse, and goddam nail 'em! This may have been one of the Right's trial balloons, as we have seen in numerous instances, but none with the significance of 911 Truth and the damage that will wreak on the Neocon agenda!!

People canceling, hotels expecting business, etc. should reprimand the scumbag that set you all up to listen to some right wingnut go off on his version of reality.

Reality is Fact-based, fuckers!!

"Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest." - Benjamin Franklin

Thank you, Mr. Williams and Arizona 9/11 Truth

You did the right thing and have shown that you value the pursuit of 9/11 Truth and have the best interests of the movement in mind.

Now we just need one further edit on the homepage. The statement reads:

As a result of the controversy surrounding Eric D. Williams, he has stepped down from involvement in the 9/11 Accountability Conference. The 911 Accountability Conference does not support Holocaust denial, nor does the 9/11 Truth Movement. No other speaker listed here is known to have published works related to the Holocaust.

Since Mr. Williams is not listed as a speaker, the last sentence should read: "No speaker listed here is...."

Additionally, I would hope that this statement will be removed before the conference begins as it unnecessarily calls attention to something that is now, and should remain, a non-issue.

Finally, Mr. Williams name is still on the Exhibitor's Info page, so that still needs to be edited.

(Yes, I'm a picky sob)

Now we can move forward with the campaign to get new investigations into the events of 9/11/01.

Thanks again, Arizona 9/11 Truth.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Good eye

That's called thorough, not picky.

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Attribution

Earlier this week, delver of TruthMove posted a blog alerting the 9/11 community to the fact that Williams is currently promoting a book with on Auschwitz which refers to the "alleged Holocaust."

Actually Screw Loose Change was the blog that alerted everyone to this, TruthMove just copied it. At least be honest as to the attribution.

In Fairness, They Did Give Screw Loose Change Credit

In the original post over here, although later on Jules (IIRC) mentioned in a comment about how they "broke" this story which I did think was a bit much.

I hate to break it to you, JamesB

But most members of the 9/11 community don't look to the Screwed blog for information -- so it was delver's blog that alerted us and you can thank him/her for passing the news along.

Well maybe you should...

We post more in-depth information on the "truth" movement than any other source. If you really want to keep up on what is happening.

ROFLMAO!!!!

Um, if you say so, sunshine...

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Thanks for posting this and

Thanks for posting this and thanks for helping to correct the situation, Casseia.

Thank you...

To Eric, and to those organizing this event for doing the right thing.

And thank you for your efforts for putting this conference together.

There must be accountability for those responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Period.


"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Thank you, Arizona 9/11

Thank you, Arizona 9/11 Truth! Thanks to Casseia, and all the others who emailed and called.

I believe this strange, disassociated feeling in my head results from the unfamiliar experience of having an organization respond quickly to the will of well-intentioned people...

See you in AZ!

Ya, exactly. But the problem doesn't go away.

I also have that strange feeling. I'm really impressed and encouraged by the swift action taken in this matter. Being someone who had previously seen similar episodes handled in a far less proactive manner, I have nothing but praise for the folks in Arizona for doing the best thing for the movement, and asking Williams to step aside.

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But I'm still very upset about how he duped everyone.
I don't feel thankful toward Eric Williams at the moment, not that I don't understand why people would feel thankful that he stepped aside without a big fuss.

In all fairness, this guy really IS about 9/11 truth and holocaust denial, and he will continue to be. Can anyone say racist? I sure can.

A number of people who post to this 'forum', including myself, have told their stories of losing 90% of those with their family name to the Holocaust. Generations of knowledge, understanding, and wisdom, squashed by amoral technocrats. The fucking industrial machine.

And ya know what Eric Williams, even if it was just my family that got wiped out, fuck you for making this about statistics. I got my own 3000 dead, and you might as well be telling me it was the hijackers who killed them.

I suppose that Eric has Jewish friends, and likely doesn't consider himself anti-semitic. But that doesn't excuse him from being an insensitive asshole, or doing something that so directly undermines the movement.

Let's all be sure to keep in mind that we may soon have to protect the movements reputation with greater vigilance, as those trying to undermine our efforts are using ever more sophisticated tactics. Stay on your toes.

(Note: That was more of a rant than anything I usually post. Hope I didn't offend anyone too much, other than the racists. And for the tenth time, NO, no one in here thinks its inherently racist to examine Israel's role in 9/11. Ralax! Unless your a racist.)

This thread is alarming...

It amounts to a public thought crimes prosecution. I care not about what book he is promoting.

I have not studied the holocaust but the fact that it is illegal in some places to even think about these things is alarming.

9/11 Truth should not embrace this and this public flogging based on 'a blog' that is not linked, not sourced, and based on a 'book' he's 'promoting' that uses the single word "alleged"...

This is very disturbing to me.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Apparently it's HIS book...

Better link.
http://phoenixnewtimes.com/blogs/?p=214

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Sorry, jpass

I wrote the blog assuming readers had been following the other thread on the topic, or I would have been more clear. It was his own book, his most recent book, and moreover, he was scheduled both to present the conference mission statement and to make a presentation of his own. And it wasn't just the isolated phrase -- I think people who looked at the book when it was online were just using that as a one-phrase summary of what his approach appeared to be. The first chapter also included his argument, based on his own size and an eyeballing, that the ovens he saw on the tour of Auschwitz were not big enough for a human body. Not really something that rises to the level of responsible scholarly analysis in my view.

Oh, for heaven's sake...I'll read it.

There have been many thoughtful and probing histories of the Holocaust written by those with a strong academic background who acknowledge the manner in which the Holocaust came to be used as a wedge issue, or element of propaganda. I haven't read them all.

I refer you to the comments by Nicholas at this thread:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/5916?page=4

Just because I am expressing frustration about what has happened doesn't mean that I'm invalidating all historical inquiry into the Holocaust. But 'alleged' is insulting to me personally, because my family, like so many others, had its own holocaust. Nothing 'alleged' about it.

I certainly have no reason to think that Eric Williams is an expert on anything, let alone an academically trained historian. In fact Nicholas says his writing is rather sophomoric.

Tell you what, I will read the book. Since its online, and I am committed enough to not talking out of my ass, I will find out for myself exactly what Eric Williams means to imply.

I don't plan on being pleasantly surprised.

(Edit: He's taken the book down)

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http://www.truthmove.org

I read quite a bit of it the other day

before it was taken down, and I concur with Nicholas.

Interestingly (from the perspective of diagnosing a potential, coordinated disinfo scheme), some guy on my local email list reposted an article full of sloppy Zionist/Israel/Jew conflation a couple of days ago, causing one member to resign (as she put it) from the whole 9/11 Truth movement, because she just can't handle the amateur-hour Holocaust revisionists anymore. That's my take on the Williams' book -- "alleged holocaust" was just the icing on the cake, or one phrase that could be pointed to that seemed to reflect the book's underlying bias.

I keep having to thank you.

Thanks for checking to book while you had the chance, and for reporting here what most of us suspected.

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http://www.truthmove.org

And while we are on the subject

We have to try to arm everyone with the knowledge that these types of things are going to happen, and possibly more frequently. I really hope that the person who resigned reconsiders, because the e-mail may have specifically intended to create this kind of response. I've seen this kind of behavior first hand.

There is a mental divide for many in the movement between acknowledging that the movement has likely been infiltrated, and a willingness to exclude that which undermines our purpose. Its like we know its there, but lacking the ability to pin an agency on someone, we've decided to ignore the issue.

Its not about the person, but about the tactics. For that reason, we really don't need to go around accusing each other of working for the government. It doesn't matter. And that frees us up to not be uptight about this issue, and have an open discussion about what kind of behavior is not socially acceptable within the movement.

On the other hand, I just can't help myself anymore, and have to say that this is all so textbook cointel operation. Don't we have an ex-intel officer to back me up here? I've done a fair amount of reading on this subject, and this really seems to be going by the books.

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http://www.truthmove.org

Let it all out, Jules.

I'm wondering the same thing. This guy posting on the local list was the clincher for me. And get this -- I just heard back from the guy, and he told me he didn't even read the article before reposting it. WTF? Who does that?

(..."cracked and incompetent"...)

Show "Infiltrated?" by JamesB

What Is Really The Matrix

Without knowing who Eric was. I ordered his DVD. I had some problems with the order, but he made good on it.

The DVD is essentially him giving a presentation of 9/11 facts, false flag operations, and the propaganda network which is the media.

Most of it was nothing. He does go into more depth about Hilter
and the Reichstag fire. There was some new stuff. I can not remember at the moment what it was though.

Gary
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“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

Latest - Statement from Eric Williams

He's taken the book down off the site, and stopped its publication.

http://www.whatreallyisthematrix.com/

"The main thing this lesson in life has taught me is that it is a crime to think for yourself, and that is the only thing I am guilty of: Thought Crime."

Hmm...How does this sit with you guys?

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he is a shill----- the judo

he is a shill-----

the judo in his situation is that he is trying to set up an overblown----"i'm a victim of thoughtcrime"---vibe

he said the holocaust denial thing----to get a slight reaction

and then make a huge deal about----"we're attacked by jews----they have this power to create a thoughtcrime environment"

which is bullshit----

and to try to create bad feelings on both sides of this issue---that doesnt even really have anything to do with 911truth

He's not guilty of thought crime

He's guilty of thoughtlessness. Cry me a river.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Full Williams' statement

I thought the whole statement from Williams was worth reposting here:


About my latest book
The Puzzle of Auschwitz

I have published a book that may have offended many individuals and
that was not my intention with this book.

Out of respect for those I may have offended I have pulled the book from
this site as well as the site of the publisher.

The issue surrounding the Holocaust involves more research and an
open mind.

The main thing this lesson in life has taught me is that it is a crime to
think for yourself, and that is the only thing I am guilty of: Thought Crime.

It shouldn't be a crime to think for yourself or to question the official story
of anything or any subject, but unfortunately it is. It is also unfortunate
that we don't have an independent media that goes through obvious
questions about the official story, but only regurgitates it without question.

In closing, the unnecessary death of anyone is a tragedy, and the death
of any amount of people is in my opinion, a holocaust.

We have been lied to about 9/11, the War on Terrorism, and so many
other things throughout history. I only wish to shed light on the lies to
prevent more unnecessary deaths.

Thanks for your comments and concerns.

Peace!

Eric D. Williams

I know that in my own letters to him and to the other AZ organizers, I tried to make it very clear that I believed Eric had a right to inquire skeptically into any historical narrative. I also deplore criminal prosecution for "Holocaust denial thought crime."

Nonetheless, it isn't too much to expect that people in the Truth movement take basic public relations seriously. Sure, you have the right to write a book about Auschwitz. Does that mean you should then take a very public role in organizing a 9/11 truth conference while simultaneously promoting said book?

(There's a lesson in here somewhere for Jim Fetzer, too.)

Thought-crime or thoughtless?

"Nonetheless, it isn't too much to expect that people in the Truth movement take basic public relations seriously. Sure, you have the right to write a book about Auschwitz. Does that mean you should then take a very public role in organizing a 9/11 truth conference while simultaneously promoting said book?"
-Casseia

I could not have said it better- thanks Casseia.There's no need to lard our cause with more complications- and the Holocaust is certainly that. The folks in AZ did the right thing, as did Eric, so let other conferences cover this tragic piece of history.

agreed - not a crime

just a matter of common sense - indeed, write anything you want - publish it wherever, but then live with the results

focusing the 911 Truth Movement on the strogest essential points in making its case in the court of public opinion is the task at hand - dump the distractions, as any trial lawyer would advise - everyone, use the sense with which you were born

Extremely well said casseia.

"Does that mean you should then take a very public role in organizing a 9/11 truth conference while simultaneously promoting said book?"

No, and if you do you don't have the movements best interests in mind... like fetzer, woods & reynolds. (Larry, Moe & Curly)

However, Germany, Austria & most recently Italy (Two of which are our biggest allies in the war against 'radical muslims' who 'attacked us' because they 'hate our freedoms'... Ironic huh? Anti-Semite::bad, Ant-Muslim: good?) have made asking certain questions a criminal offense. Which should scare the hell out of us asking sensitive, some say heretical, questions of our own regarding the 911 myths.

Blah blah blah "thought crime" blah blah "public relations"

Casseia, the point is not "public relations," although I agree that anyone who advocates denial of the Nazi holocaust while pretending to organize a 9/11 conference clearly has no interest in advancing the political cause of 9/11 truth, certainly not in the United States in 2007.

People who want to present absurdities often frame these in terms of taboo-breaking, and tend to portray the inevitable rejection as a case of persecution by the zombies of political correctness. Well you know what, many a stupid idea is justly unpopular, and courage is a morally neutral category. It takes a brave man to burst into a church service and beat the choir boy with a tire iron. That doesn't make him cutting edge.

You keep saying Williams should have stepped down because his views made for bad PR. It's easy for the less charitable to read that as saying it would have been all good, if only Williams had confined his crap to backrooms full of trusted fellow travelers. Need I point out that this is bad PR on your part?

I don't support any laws to punish people for speech, so don't bring in that red herring. The issue here is also not "historical curiousity." Indeed, anyone can pose any question, no matter how provocative -- and is entitled to any answer he can actually justify through scholarship, fact and logic.

So what is the issue here? Historical falsification on behalf of an ideological agenda.

Williams published more than enough pages of his book on the Web for us to judge the methodology and the quality of the facts employed. If it was about Nessie or Bigfoot, the malapropisms would make it mildly comic. But it has a thesis of consequence: that the Nazi regime did not implement an open policy of extermination based on race, thereby killing millions of captive civilians through various means, including execution at concentration camps.

Stalin has his apologists. History departments to this day seek to add an air of romance and accomplishment to the Roman massacre of three million Gauls. (Well, at least if you believe Ceasar's own reports, but who knows? Maybe it's a Jewish forgery.) One day, students of realpolitik will write papers to justify the geopolitics of PNAC and explain why the inside job of 9/11 was necessary. And while open neo-Nazis are at least honest enough to approve of massacring the Jews and other "vermin races," the refined Nazi sympathizers and Jew-haters of our time prefer to minimize the historic Nazi crime, or blame it on the victim.

In this they help the Nazis find new currency. That may not be Williams's intent, but I really don't care what he thinks he's doing. I shall criticize it without limits, and while I might debate his likes in a public forum, I wouldn't attend a conference on 9/11 he organized, or accept its claim of supporting the 9/11 truth movement. He can label it what he likes; I belong to a different movement.

I have made my personal opinion about his work

amply clear, including whether I believe this to be only a matter of PR, in posts here and on the other thread.

The way this post strikes me, Nicholas, is that you are interested in keeping this controversy alive. Would you have preferred the conference not take place at all?

Innuendo

I wish the conference well. It barely interests me, since it was in my opinion poorly conceived from the first and won't have any kind of impact - except as an easy target for the debunker crew.

But I urge all who believe in it to go, do their best to make it work, and have fun.

This is not a "controversy". It is a fundamental question:

Will the 9/11 truth movement coalition include historical falsifiers, frauds, purveyors of hate ideology, and holocaust deniers who pretend they are "taboo breakers"?

Or to use your own vocabulary: I'll discuss what I like and don't need you to define what's an acceptable inquiry, what's taboo and what's "thought crime."

A truth movement shouldn't compromise on scholarship

Casseia, the point is not "public relations," although I agree that anyone who advocates denial of the Nazi holocaust while pretending to organize a 9/11 conference clearly has no interest in advancing the political cause of 9/11 truth, certainly not in the United States in 2007.

People who want to present absurdities often frame these in terms of taboo-breaking, and tend to portray the inevitable rejection as a case of persecution by the zombies of political correctness. Well you know what, many a stupid idea is justly unpopular, and courage is a morally neutral category. It takes a brave man to burst into a church service and beat the choir boy with a tire iron. That doesn't make him cutting edge.

You keep saying Williams should have stepped down because his views made for bad PR. It's easy for the less charitable to read that as saying it would have been all good, if only Williams had confined his crap to backrooms full of trusted fellow travelers. Need I point out that this is bad PR on your part?

I don't support any laws to punish people for speech, so don't bring in that red herring. The issue here is also not "historical curiousity." Indeed, anyone can pose any question, no matter how provocative -- and is entitled to any answer he can actually justify through scholarship, fact and logic.

So what is the issue here? Historical falsification on behalf of an ideological agenda.

Williams published more than enough pages of his book on the Web for us to judge the methodology and the quality of the facts employed. If it was about Nessie or Bigfoot, the malapropisms would make it mildly comic. But it has a thesis of consequence: that the Nazi regime did not implement an open policy of extermination based on race, thereby killing millions of captive civilians through various means, including execution at concentration camps.

Stalin has his apologists. History departments to this day seek to add an air of romance and accomplishment to the Roman massacre of three million Gauls. (Well, at least if you believe Ceasar's own reports, but who knows? Maybe it's a Jewish forgery.) One day, students of realpolitik will write papers to justify the geopolitics of PNAC and explain why the inside job of 9/11 was necessary. And while open neo-Nazis are at least honest enough to approve of massacring the Jews and other "vermin races," the refined Nazi sympathizers and Jew-haters of our time prefer to minimize the historic Nazi crime, or blame it on the victim.

In this they help the Nazis find new currency. That may not be Williams's intent, but I really don't care what he thinks he's doing. I shall criticize it without limits, and while I might debate his likes in a public forum, I wouldn't attend a conference on 9/11 he organized, or accept its claim of supporting the 9/11 truth movement. He can label it what he likes; I belong to a different movement.

C'mon, man.

The exact same post, posted again?

You're sure you're not invested in keeping the controversy going?

Here it is again

Because your answers are evasive and a few people in self-denial who perform the trained monkey function of clicking on "minus" doesn't make it go away - this is the ugly reality. A historical falsifier put together a "truth" conference and sadly this indicates a lot about the collective naivete at work in the "big tent" strategy, something that has created a coalition with a niche market of conspiracy book sellers, but sinks credibility with the mainstream culture. Williams wasn't the only one - Alex Jones sells the works of Texe Marr (a repeat guest on his show). Long as people in this movement have no standards about associating with "old" Nazi ideas even as they think they reject the new ones, this will keep happening.

AND NOW, THANKS TO CUT AND PASTE - WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH:

Casseia, the point is not "public relations," although I agree that anyone who advocates denial of the Nazi holocaust while pretending to organize a 9/11 conference clearly has no interest in advancing the political cause of 9/11 truth, certainly not in the United States in 2007.

People who want to present absurdities often frame these in terms of taboo-breaking, and tend to portray the inevitable rejection as a case of persecution by the zombies of political correctness. Well you know what, many a stupid idea is justly unpopular, and courage is a morally neutral category. It takes a brave man to burst into a church service and beat the choir boy with a tire iron. That doesn't make him cutting edge.

You keep saying Williams should have stepped down because his views made for bad PR. It's easy for the less charitable to read that as saying it would have been all good, if only Williams had confined his crap to backrooms full of trusted fellow travelers. Need I point out that this is bad PR on your part?

I don't support any laws to punish people for speech, so don't bring in that red herring. The issue here is also not "historical curiousity." Indeed, anyone can pose any question, no matter how provocative -- and is entitled to any answer he can actually justify through scholarship, fact and logic.

So what is the issue here? Historical falsification on behalf of an ideological agenda.

Williams published more than enough pages of his book on the Web for us to judge the methodology and the quality of the facts employed. If it was about Nessie or Bigfoot, the malapropisms would make it mildly comic. But it has a thesis of consequence: that the Nazi regime did not implement an open policy of extermination based on race, thereby killing millions of captive civilians through various means, including execution at concentration camps.

Stalin has his apologists. History departments to this day seek to add an air of romance and accomplishment to the Roman massacre of three million Gauls. (Well, at least if you believe Ceasar's own reports, but who knows? Maybe it's a Jewish forgery.) One day, students of realpolitik will write papers to justify the geopolitics of PNAC and explain why the inside job of 9/11 was necessary. And while open neo-Nazis are at least honest enough to approve of massacring the Jews and other "vermin races," the refined Nazi sympathizers and Jew-haters of our time prefer to minimize the historic Nazi crime, or blame it on the victim.

In this they help the Nazis find new currency. That may not be Williams's intent, but I really don't care what he thinks he's doing. I shall criticize it without limits, and while I might debate his likes in a public forum, I wouldn't attend a conference on 9/11 he organized, or accept its claim of supporting the 9/11 truth movement. He can label it what he likes; I belong to a different movement.

New Latest

Looks like Williams decided to take down his statement from the website. Good thing casseia posted it here.

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Thanks, Cas. for all your

Thanks, Cas. for all your constructive efforts--though I wish someone had been quicker to get on the ball before Goyette pulled out. Any chance of getting him back?

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