Scholars Panel - 9/11 Accountablity Conference - 2/24/2007

Fetzer: 'There He Goes Again' (Space Weapons)

The basis of Fetzers 'space weapons' argument seems to be that if it CANNOT be disproven, it therefore happened.

He has virtually NO evidence of the use of 'space weaponry'.

He cites images of buildings with damage (WTC 3) and yet he fails to show ones that clearly depict debris from the falling WTC 2 falling directly into WTC 3.

He also cites WTC 4 as having been been mysteriously 'sliced' off. (Suggesting the extreme theoory of 'space weaponry'.)

Video clearly depicts WTC 2 tilting toward the east and millions of pounds of it falling into WTC 4 from nearly 1/4 mile in the air.

No mystery.

Fetzer is a bright man, yet he persists with these so easily debunked extreme theories.

It's time that members of the 9/11 Truth movement question the true role and intent of Jim Fetzer in our movement.

Is it just a coincidence that Jim Fetzer only emerged in the movement AFTER Steve Jones began to present his very compelling thermite hypothesis publicly?

I hearby submit for peer review the following points of view:

"The No More Tolerance Of Jim Fetzer's Extreme Theories."

"The Exlusion Of Jim Fetzer At Future Serious 9/11 Truth Gatherings."

Show "Fetzer Did an Excellent Job, Jones is misleading people w/ lies" by CB_Brooklyn

It's important to remember

It's important to remember that the Pentagon has admitted to forming a program to spread disinformation on the internet.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm

Show "Yes, and Jones is doing an excellent job as a disinfo artist" by CB_Brooklyn

Oh great, this again.

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-Dan Wallace

Some Specific Analysis

Hi CB,

I'm wondering if you have seen this interview with Judy Woods yet? Greg Jenkins sat down with her and tried to get some specific information regarding her theory. I think most people would agree that she never really answered any questions, either qualitatively or quantitaively.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017

In addition, Greg Jenkins has also wrote a letter and an article at the Journal of 9/11 Studies discussing this theory at great length and I encourage you to take a look.

Letter:
http://www.journalof911studies.org/letters/b/interview-judy-wood-at-nati...

Article:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed...

This has nothing to do with personalities and everything to do with finding the most probably explanation for the attack. Unsupported hypotheses are simply that, and should be abandoned in favor of hypotheses that fit the data, that is all. Please take a look.

Hi Richard

CB has seen that video. We've been 'round 'n 'round the mulberry bush with him and others like him for months regarding the disinfo coming from people like Wood, Fetzer, Reynolds, etc.. There are blogs all over 911blogger that look very much like this one, unfortunately.

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

I know only too well

I agree with you that my post is unlikely to change CB's mind, as he has been railing on about this topic for months. But as a large majority of people who read forums do not actually post, my posting was aimed more at those people who are interested in a rational examination of the facts. The old rule of not feeding the troll is true, but in this case my intent is not to rebut him, but to educate others on this issue, and especially the ignorance of said trolls on this issue.

Thanks.

Clears the air

Richard, I agree with stallion4 on this. Even so I like your post. You give a good summary which, under normal circumstances, would really clear the air.

Show "Richard: In response to your question reg Jones, Wood, etc" by CB_Brooklyn

Holy hell, have you no

Holy hell, have you no shame? (Purely rhetorical.) Not only do you have the set-up at the Press Club totally mischaracterized (I was there), but you end with sounding like a pedophile priest using candy to coax some confused kid into the rectomy, er, ah, rectory.

I just love the smell of desperation in the evening!

The 5th type of disinformation: By Jim Fetzer

Fifth Type of Disinformation:

by Jim Fetzer 

“The fifth level of disinformation appears to occur when a source presents information that has been deliberately selected to misrepresent, distort or abuse sources with the intention to mislead. Citing only evidence that is favorable to one side as if no contrary evidence exists is known as SPECIAL PLEADING. The key aspect of fifth degree efforts is creating--usually by writing--entire new works (books and article), because of which it has the character of FABRICATING EVIDENCE.”

Example:

[Brian Vasquez] “So, I decided to contacted Steve Chastain (by phone and email), who is the author of the book “Build an Oil Fired Tilting Furnace” and asked him to verify if those 2 pictures were of aluminum, as Judy claimed. He responded and said, that the photos were NOT aluminum, but were photographs of iron

Judy wrote, “The two photographs below show glowing metal pouring from a furnace.

Judy,

Steve [Jones] is right. This whole matter has been a fiasco. I would appreciate it if (a) you would apologize to Steve and (b) remove those posts from st911.org. Thank you.

Jim [Fetzer]

Just a few months later, in December, Judy published a new paper named “The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis” (http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/JonesScientificMethod.html) and decided to use the SAME 2 EXACT pictures. Here is how she described them this time around…. Judy [Wood] wrote,

“The two photographs below show glowing metal pouring from a furnace.

“We cannot tell what kinds of metals these are without additional information.”

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Jones Blew Fetzer Out of the Water!

I was at the 9/11 Accountability Conference and I heard Fetzer and Jones speak. Fetzer gave no evidence, no scientific data, nothing. He cited Judy Wood's website and her data there which hasn't been updated in many, many months!! Jones had real data, real scientists, real research, some of which was "hot off the press". Fetzer got nice applause at the end of his spiel, Jones got a long standing ovation at the end of his presentation.

Have you ever bothered to read anything Dr. Jones or Dr. Jenkins or any of the other scientists have written?

I think you are perpetuating the disinfo.

Hey you...

This is LEH's friend, right?


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Yeah it's me!

Great to meet you!

Nice to meet you as well...


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Thanks bud.

This is good stuff. If you haven't seen the Greg Jenkins/Judy Wood interview, I highly reccomend it not only for its practical use, it's honestly entertaining.

Yes, and it's also important to remember

that regular people express their opinions on the internet because they think it's the right thing to do.

Questions for Jim Fetzer

Questions for Jim Fetzer

1. Why does the ST911 truth website expose no alternate theories (aside from the “official” story) as false? Given the fact that there are many theories about 9/11, why is it that the ST911 website fails to reveal any theories as false?

2. Do you think the Directed Energy Weapon Hypothesis is a falsifiable theory? If so, how can it be tested by scientists? How can it be shown that it is false with experiments? A non-falsifiable theory is non-scientific by definition.

3. A non falsifiable theory can’t be tested—therefore it can’t be proven. How can un-testable theories ever lead to the “truth” about 9/11?

4. If the Directed Energy Weapon Hypothesis is not a falsifiable theory, why is it being pursued in favor of the concrete physical evidence that Steven Jones has accumulated strongly supporting the controlled demolition hypothesis and more importantly—an inside job?

5. Steven Jones offered the opinion that we don’t need to prove everything that happened on 9/11. He argues that we should focus on the solid (i.e. non-speculative) evidence that supports an inside job so that we can use it to get the public to support an investigation to finally uncover the entire truth about 9/11. Do you agree with this opinion?

6. In an essay written by Wood and Reynolds it is claimed that Steven Jones is maintaining a “thermite hypothesis” [http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/JonesScientificMethod.html]. This is a straw-man fallacy as Jones has never maintained that only thermite was used in the destruction of the WTC buildings. I will quote your own interview:

Q: “are you suggesting both [thermate/superthermite] were used in the Twin Towers?

A: “I’m suggesting that’s possible along with other explosives

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Also, this paper ignores all of the 11 features of controlled demolition as well as his position that other explosives could have been used in combination. My question is: do you consider it acceptable behavior that Wood and Reynolds are distorting Steven Jones’ controlled demolition hypothesis by implying his entire theory is a “thermite hypothesis”?

7. Given this stunning straw-man fallacy committed by Wood and Reynolds, when are you planning on removing this essay from “founder’s corner” on Scholars for 9/11 truth? Are they planning on issuing an apology to Steven Jones for their distortions? Read Responses to it here:

8. Judy Wood maintains that a Star Wars Beam Weapon was only used to destroy the towers on 9/11. Recently, Dr. Greg Jenkins said:

“the energy [required] is approximately 4x1014 Joules. If you consider that this amount of energy was pumped into the towers during a time span of roughly 10 seconds, then the power necessary to vaporize the steel would be 4x1013 Watts. This is four times the total power output of the entire earth, including all carbon combustion, nuclear power, wind power, hydroelectric power, etc.. This is with no loss. If you take into account losses from scattering and absorption in the atmosphere, reflection off aluminum and steel in the building, and inefficiencies from storing this huge amount of energy and generating photons, then the power required would swell to at least thousands of earths worth of power. The scenario becomes more bleak when considering beams of particles that have mass since the ionizion energies required to generate such beams would require additional massive amounts of energy in conjunction with the aforementioned inefficiencies.”

My questions is: what would it take for you to be convinced that Directed Energy Weapons were not used on 9/11? You have said repeatedly that you are only promoting Directed Energy Weapons as a “hypothesis”. Given the fact that a hypothesis is rejected when it is contradicted by the evidence, what evidence would convince you that this hypothesis is incorrect and force you to abandon it? If you honestly believe in supporting this theory you should be able to provide a compelling answer.


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83:00 mark and forward

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Show "look man... CB_Brooklyn is" by truth911.net
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Ha ha another shill pops in

Look man you were like exposed like months ago man.

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-Dan Wallace

Show "why don't you comment on" by truth911.net

Like "Space Beams" is so like last year man

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Vote this up if you want truth911.net banned, man

EDIT:

When I originally posted this it was for something that truth911 posted, but it's since been removed, or he removed it himself. I'm not trying to get truth911 banned (not that I could), so please don't vote this up. I think he's done some good work in the past. And I think his website is decent too last time I checked, but it's been a while. Anyway, sorry to the readers of this blog for my part in the flamewar with truth911.

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

That's what Adam believes in...

"look man... CB_Brooklyn is right. I didn't use to believe in space weapons, but when i looked into it, i now believe it. all the people that believe in this are people who have been looking into 9/11 in great detail and for quite a long time."

Submitted by truth911.net on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 5:45am.

 

I voted your poll up for this reason.

Where's is Fetzer's evidence?

Fetzer's only theory is that he points to melted cars and "sliced buildings" and since he can't explain it he comes up with the 'space beam theory'. How is that a scientific approach? Where is the evidence for this theory?

I'm not a scientist but couldn't a laser, plasmoid beam be determined using spectral analysis?

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

More Evidence

There is far more evidence for a Tesla resonance device than a space beam... which is both a 0
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Ignorance is NOT Bliss

"STARWARS: SpaceBeams" featuring “Fetzer the Hutt”

Jaja Judy

And the Dark Lord of disinfo - Sith Reynolds

 

check this out!!so the BBC

check this out!!so the BBC fucked up reading their script!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1471985581749234824&hl=en
February 26, 2007
THE SMOKING GUN WTC7, BBC JUMPS THE GUN !!!

9/11 Building 7 Collapse - WTC7 23 Minute Warning - Salomon Brothers Building

BBC Error ! Huge smoking gun of pre-knowledge collapse of WTC7 *911blogger.com

“On September 11th 2001, BBC World reported at 4:57pm Eastern Time that the Salomon Brothers Building (more commonly known as WTC7 or World Trade Building 7) had collapsed.

This even made the 5pm EST headlines, what is bizarre is that the building did not actually collapse until 5:20pm EST.

9/11 was unusual enough, without BBC World being able to foretell the destiny of WTC 7.

What is even stranger, is that the women reporter is telling the world that the building had collapsed when you can see it in the background over her left shoulder.

Then at 5:15pm EST, just five minutes before the building did actually collapse, her live connection from New York to London mysteriously fails.

So the question is, on 9/11 how did the BBC learn that WTC7 collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did.

Building Seven was 47 storeys, modern in design with structural steel throughout, yet symmetrically collapsed in 6.5 seconds, was someone leaking information.

No steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire, before or after 9/11, most people who find out about WTC7, believe it was brought down by a controlled demolition, even demolition experts agree.” *911Blogger.com

It’s here!!! The smoking gun of 9/11 that can not be disputed. BBC reporters jump the gun reporting the collapse of WTC7 until they cut the feed just 5 minutes prior to the actual demolition. People, the news is choreographed, this proves it and shows how wide spread the disinfo goes. No more denial, this is it….. they have to strike now. I can’t wait for the spin on this blunder, it will be extremely brazen. The timeline is indeed accurate given the anchor’s comments at 00:17:30 into the video where he states “it has been some 8 hours since the attack.” 9 am plus 8 equals 5 pm !!!!! If this clip is faked, then they did an excellent job and we need to know who did it.

Wake up folks.

The above BBC clip is an important one, among all this chit-chat. Forget uncle Fetz.

Awesome.

Can't see how the debunkers could possibly tackle this video. Even more damning than Silverstein's "pull it" quote - be sure to spread this one around.

Game, set and match.

Can we have that video

Can we have that video posted as news on the home page?

someone did post it earlier today, but now it's gone

I don't know why , though. You can learn more about it at this link:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/6400

Never mind. It's back:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/6458

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

What now?

Drunkhorse, if your information is accurate, it really is amazing.

I wonder where to go with it?

Somone in a post above suggested that you submit it as a news item here. That's a good idea, but it seems like we should think up lots more uses than that. How can we get this out there?

Stallion4 points out that it got posted here as a comment. It needs more action than that.

I found the link over AT

I found the link over AT Whatreallyhappened.But the link IS on the thread below

Danny Jowenko - Dutch Demolition Expert Still Maintains WTC7 Could NOT Collapse Due to Fire.

It certainly deserves a front page headline here.What more evidence does one need??seems to me that the chaos drama and excitement on 911 caused the BBC to fuck up big time.The fact that they were reading a prepared script just shows how many people are in on this cover-up.It is almost unbelievable.Very sad,assuming that the footage is true and there has been no digital manipulation.If it is correct then it shows just how strong a grip the perpetrators have of the media.

Video was destroyed by space beams

Video was destroyed by space beams. It was present earlier when I downloaded it. Now pooooooooof.

Nice, the 9/11 Thought Police

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Fetzer

Fetzer seemed a lot more interested in attacking Jones than citing facts. I think it is time for us to leave him behind. People like him help the media call us all "crazy" conspiracy theorists, and help bring around the mindset that those who have theories outside the official story are "crazy."

This is correct.

You got it.

Fetzer is nutty with his space beam theory

But I was happy to see Fetzer and Steven Jones speaking at the same conference. Are they getting along now?

oh, I just finished the video

I guess Fetzer is still at Jones' throat!

I hope this gets "sorted out" as Barrett put it.

Show "the only one using the term "space beam" is Steven Jones" by CB_Brooklyn

No space beams. Fetzer prefers to talk about Paul Bunyan's axe

While Judy woods goes on and on about the Road Runner from the WB cartoons.

Show "as I said.. Steven Jones started the "space beam" term." by CB_Brooklyn

You're full of shite

Judy Wood called it a "Beam From Space" when she was interviewed on Fruit loops radio show months ago.

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

Show "that's a lie" by CB_Brooklyn

Non-Random Thoughts

Non-Random Thoughts
Host: James Fetzer
Sat., November 11, 2006
w/ guest Judy Wood

(forward to 55:18 of the 1st hour and listen. And then listen carefully @ 56:10 to learn where Judy Wood thinks the beams came from...)

Hour 1
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Fetzer/0611/20061111_Sat_Fetzer1.mp3
Hour 2
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Fetzer/0611/20061111_Sat_Fetzer2.mp3

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

Show "Letter to Steven Jones re: Fusion devices" by DHS

Fetzer explains exactly why

Fetzer explains exactly why he's gone off on an absurd tangent right at the beginning of his speech. He has a different conception of the rules of scientific inquiry, or no desire to abide by those rules, and that leads him to gathering dubious evidence and pushing absurd explanations. He does, however, seem less arrogant here. Clearly he believes that he has enough crediblity left to continue, and the fact that he's given a platform at this and other 9/11 truth gatherings indicates that he's correct on that point if no other.

We need to start being serious about weeding out the bad information from these events.

Show "misterguy is a shill...flat out" by wolfowitz in sh...

I categorically deny being

I categorically deny being full of snake venom, and while the amount of decaying wildebeast puss in my bloodstream at any given time tends to vary between 10-30% I, like Fetzer, have always been creative in my objectivity. As to producing my weight in shit I think that's a rather tall order. Perhaps I can get back to you next week?

Admin, can we get a mop in

Admin, can we get a mop in here? Somebody's dropping "sh*t" and "douche bags" all over this thread.

Wolfowitz

I have never known you to do ANYTHING but disrupt there boards with accusations, insults and hostility. It seems like you only show up when some KNOWN disinformation subject like no-planes or space beams gets discussed - and you attack people. furthermore, there does not appear to be any real intellectual honesty to your positions. you never seem to be interested in a serious review of the facts in a sensible polite way. no - you just stir up resentment and vitriol.

this is known as provocateur behavior.

Fetzer's got to go

He's a liability, not an asset. I find him incredibly annoying, even when he makes sense. Space beams? Enough said.

Show "Jones has got to go." by CB_Brooklyn

You're full of shite

Judy Wood called it a "Beam From Space" when she was interviewed on Fruit loops radio show months ago.

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

Show "you are spreading disinfo" by CB_Brooklyn

Non-Random Thoughts

Non-Random Thoughts
Host: James Fetzer
Sat., November 11, 2006
w/ guest Judy Wood

(forward to 55:18 of the 1st hour and listen. And then listen carefully @ 56:10 to learn where Judy Wood thinks the beams came from...)

Hour 1
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Fetzer/0611/20061111_Sat_Fetzer1.mp3
Hour 2
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Fetzer/0611/20061111_Sat_Fetzer2.mp3

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

She believes it very likely

She believes it very likely came from (geostationary) orbit, so this unmistakingly implies that it was a space beam though she did not literally said this.
(notice the enthousiastic reaction of Fetzer to this statement !)

Ergo: Steven Jones was right after all and this disinfo-attack can rest its case.

I encourage everyone to listen to this interview (fragment)

You are attempting

to have an honest debate with a dishonest provocateur. It does not matter what the facts are.

poll

Fetzer is finally compromised

He's at least been compromised by his own ego if not the Cia. He fought the establishment on the Wellstone assassination, which he did quite well although not entirely honestly; claiming short range ground based directed energy weapon which was at least feasable in that case. Then he was slow to wake up to 911 except where it was to his own advantage. And now with this Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood unprovable directed energy fiasco absolutely hammerring the cause for justice for 911 by distracting into a hypothetical and legally unreachable area, he is self destructing and hoping to take a chunk of the truth comunity with him while pulling down his betters.
Its completely plain that his motives are not for justice and accountability, but rather for point scoring and 'being a guru'. He has got to be called out for causing this divisive and unscientific slandering of Steven Jones. There is no call to attack Jones's scientific method which is light years better than Fetzers.
Its time to let ol Fetzer go.

Show "Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds knew..." by CB_Brooklyn

Vote this up if you want CB banned!

as well as Judy Wood And Uncle Fetzer from the entire 9/11 Truth Movement.

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-Dan Wallace

Show "you sound like a deluded idiot." by CB_Brooklyn

Are you on dope?

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

I would agree

It does not appear that CB_Brooklyn is engaging in intellectually honest debate. He uses name-calling and disruption tactics.

Now - the simple reality of this situation is that Dr. Fetzer HAS been given MULTIPLE opportunities to take the stage - publicly - and offer up his best intentions to this movement. He just recently spoke in Columbus - and now Arizona.

It would appear that the vast majority of people contributing here unsatisfied with his science and approach. you cannot FORCE people to accept your theories. what is CURIOUS is that, in the name of unity Dr. Fetzer could very easily find common ground with this movement and talk about the MANY MANY other areas of 911 research that is so very well equiped to discuss.

But he won't. He is sticking with "space beams"

CB Brooklyn seems hostile to the fact that it appears that the majority of people in this movement do not support this approach. But - its not from lack of trying. Dr. Fetzer has been given the spotlight multiple times - BUT - it appears his snake oil ain't selling.

so - CB Brooklyn's insistence on showing up on these boards and attacking people and disrupting here is classic agent provocateur disruption.

sure - i could understand the idea of civil disobedience and disrupting known censors. i myself protested multiple times outside of media centers for thsi very reason.

But - Blogger is NOT censoring Fetzer. His speeches and videos are presented here. his snake oil just ain't selling here.

so - the question is - should someone like CB Brooklyn be allowed to intentionally disrupt, simply because people refuse to share his opinions? Space Beams just ain't selling. We heard Fetzer's BEST CASE on the issue. but - it appears that he is not succeeding in selling this theory.

so - should Blogger be attacked as a result? should we endure personalized attacks and insults?

i think CB_Brooklyn is essentially violating the rules of this board.

FETZER'S EXTREME VIEWS ARE WRECKING 9/11 TRUTH

FETZER'S 'SPACE WEAPONS' JUNK HYPOTHESIS AND PETTY PERSISTENCE WITH IT EVEN IN THE FACE OF OVERWHELMING CONTRADICTORY EVIDENCE SEEMED TO MOMENTARILY REDUCE THE CONFERENCE TO A 'STAR TREK' COVENTION.

JIM:

YOU HAVE ABOUT AS MUCH EVIDENCE FOR THE USE OF SPACE WEAPONRY AT THE WTC ON 9/11 AS YOU DO, SPACE ALIENS UTILIZING THEM ON THE BEHALF OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

YOU HAVE LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY.

YOU'VE BECOME A 5TH WHEEL.

fetzer isn't wrecking shit...

As far as I can tell there aren't many Fetzerites around here. The only people making big noise about Fetzer are the hard core anti-fetzerites who would rather have an annoying poster banned then practice some self restraint by simply not engaging in post after post of argumentative discussion about Fetzer and his space balls.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Jones' Controlled Demolition of Fetzer!

About 30 min. in (skip the first guy anyway), Dr. Jones pummels Fetzer into fine dust. It's really quite a response, that I wasn't sure Jones had in him!

Someone should cut Jones' presentation into its own google video presentation. He includes new info, and solid facts. Thanks to Dr. Jones for doing what he does.

Fetzer should sliver away to his hole and not come out anymore.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

Barrett's explanation of why

Barrett's explanation of why the Scholars split seems entirely wrong headed to me, especially in light of Jones' explanation that he left the original scholars group only after Fetzer threatened legal action. This isn't a healthy competition between two different groups of honest scholars.

SPACE WEAPONS & 'NO PLANES' THEORIES ABSURD

A FEW FRAMES OF SEEMINGLY DISTANT BLURRY AIRCRAFT DOES NOT ESTABLISH 'NO PLANES' AT THE WTC.

THE 'NO PLANES' THEORY IS DELIBERATE DIS-INFO PEDDLED BY THOSE SEEKING TO UNDERMINE THE CREDIBILITY OF THE MOVEMENT.

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE USE OF 'SPACE WEAPONS' AT THE WTC ON 9/11.

'SPACE WEAPONS' AT THE WTC ON 9/11 IS ALSO DELIBERATELY PEDDLED DIS-INFO.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF MATERIAL RESERVED FOR SCIENCE FICTION FANTASY BOOKS AND FILMS (AND DIS-INFO CAMPAIGNS), NOT GENUINE RESEARCH.

ATTENTION JIM FETZER:

WHEN WAS THE SPACE WEAPONS PLATFORM USED ON 9/11 LAUNCHED?

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF NASA'S/THE PENTAGONS BUDGET WAS DEVOTED TO IT?

WHEN WAS IT FIRST USED?

WHEN WAS THE HOLOGRAM PROJECTOR USED ON 9/11 FIRST USED?

WHERE WERE THE HOLOGRAMS PROJECTED FROM?

(JIM FETZER HAS NO ANSWERS TO SUCH QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE 'NO PLANES/'SPACE WEAPONS' STUFF IS DIS-INFO PRESENTED TO CONFUSE AND DISCREDIT.)

Why I am disappointed with Jim Fetzer

Besides the oft-repeated qualifications about white rabbits/Sherlock Holmes etc. that precedes any talk I have heard from Mr. Fetzer on directed energy weapons, he could have kept the moral high ground and simply agreed to disagree on the minutae while pressing forward.

He spoke (briefly) in tones of unity and mutual appreciation. He didn't have to waste his time failing to debunk Jones. It was a 9/11 accountability conference. It is enough for all intents and purposes to prove using empirical data that the official account is false, which Carl Weis manages to do very well without science, feasible or not.

Zwicker and Tarpley teach us that agent-provocateurs are largely unavoidable and conceal themselves in every social movement. Their controllers recognize that profound social change is inescapable, rather they wish to gain a place of prominence within the movement in order to influence it at specific points.

Complying with Mr. Fetzer's request to abandon the controlled demolition hypothesis because it fails to explain specific points to his satisfaction gets us precisely nowhere, and I hope he understands why people would interpret such efforts as being provocations of a dubious nature. They waste time, energy and serve to provide the media with weak strawmen to destroy. For these reasons, I support Jones' call to put these ideas on the shelf and move on to the next step. We have been caught up in in a candlestick vs carvingknife argument while Col. Mustard is still running around killing people. Let's move on, time is of the essence.

Fetzer/Jones

saddleup@ride
After viewing the 40 comments I have a mental picture:
The PERPS behind 9/11 saying to the SCHOLARS: "Let's you and he fight"!!!
PERPS win......again....and again....

Truthers must hang together, or we will most certainly hang separately.

WTC-7, BBC WORLD ORIGINAL FOOTAGE

Great research job ! I

Great research job !

I wondered first that the footage was shot after the collapse and that building 7 was edited in by some dis-info-no-plane guy, but the lost connection convinced me (another coincident, come on...) and the actual time can be verified.

So this video is a great asset for 911 truth.
Watch it !

VAB, Is this from the archive Gangster posted?

If so have a look at this CNN link.

http://ia311543.us.archive.org/1/items/cnn200109111545-1626/V08537-12.mpg

At about 3:10:30 PM, at around 25min 30sec into the clip, CNN reports that building 7 "Has either collapsed or is collapsing". Someone knew something way ahead of when I previously thought.

Edit: My bad, It was around 4:10:30 that CNN reported this.

Archive.org Has Taken It Down!

The above CNN news footage has now been censored from Archive.org. See:

http://www.archive.org/download/cnn200109111545-1626/

http://ia311543.us.archive.org/1/items/cnn200109111545-1626/V08537-12_64... (24,014,506 bytes)

Can someone who has this footage email me the relevant section or put it up online (i.e., on a website that isn't government-controlled)? My email address is jrredford@yahoo.com . I'm on dial-up, so please keep that in mind if you send me a file.

Thank you.

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Tnx for the up.

A must see! Seems that someone released a press release too early.

FOCUS

It WOULD be nice to see this clip , but whenever I try to play it from any of the sources, it won't play or is 'currently unavailable". What's the deal here ?Either this is a really big peice of the puzzle, or it is troll bait . With most everybody focussed on the fetzer disinfo and ignoring this, I'm starting to wonder. Perhaps this has already been discredited and thats why it's being ignored?

I d/l'ed and watched it yesterday, and it's very interesting...

Some more info:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/260207building7.htm
http://sanityforsale.wordpress.com/

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain

VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE

Needs to be uploaded elsewhere.

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Show "How bizarre" by Ningen
Show "It was a good debate" by Bozo

Clown

"The discourse at this blog is more damaging to the movement than Professor Fetzer."

Not when Fetzer's face is all over BBC and mainstream media putting out laughably nonsensical "theories" that are part of a disinformation campaign to discredit the entire field.

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Psychoitc

"the most controversial image - "Flight 175" melting into the building."

Yeah it's "controversial" that a 100 ton airliner moving at 500 miles an hour would penetrate a building. No, it melted. It must have had death star technology (tm) in the nose cone.

You people are shameless. And just fucking idiotic. Perhaps psychotic, I don't know you well enough to tell. Definitely shameless, pathetic and ever so wrong.

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Fetzer is such an ass it

Fetzer is such an ass it isn't even funny. A conference like this is no place to argue back and forth, trying to prove the other guy wrong. Just the sound of his voice now is enough to make me either fast forward or turn down the volume.

fetzer

Wow this video made me realize that james fetzer is going to destroy the movement with this kind of display.

"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush

Fetzer

There are only two possibilities with this guy.

1.He´s fuckin nuts and actually believes the shite about space beams or
2.

He´s a deliberate plant within the 911 movement designed to make it look stoopid.

Either way the cunt should be ignored and is harmful to the long term aims.Best to stick with Jones and Ryan and Griffin etc.Those guys are on solid ground.

"Best to stick with Jones

"Best to stick with Jones and Ryan and Griffin etc.Those guys are on solid ground." Yes indeed!

As for Uncle Fetz, his history in the JFK cause and 911 truth movement all point to #2 as the only possibility with this guy. I don't know how he can live with his conscience...

Would like to hear more

How did Fetzer hurt the JFK cause?

Space Weapons? No Planes? PROVE IT.

Space Weaponers/No Planers:

Show us evidence of the existence of a space weapons platform in orbit.

When was it launched?

Show us evidence of the existence of the hologram projector used on 9/11 to fake the planes.

When has such a device been previously used?

Thermite exists.

So does the patented device that uses thermite to cut large objects.

Molten metal was observed and recorded at Ground Zero.

White smoke (thermite related aluminum oxide?) was seen coming from the WTC towers just before they fell.

Explosions were recorded and observed repeatedly.

Conventional theorists can prove their case.

THE NO PLANERS/SPACE WEAPONERS HAVEN'T PROVEN A THING.

Its not their job to prove anything

its their job to make us look bad.

i am amazed that people are still - at this point - debating this.

This...

Was EXTREMELY important, and I'm glad I was there to witness it.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

How so?

Do tell.

Well...

Both men were allowed the opportunity to present their case. It was blatantly obvious from Prof. Jones that the "Exotic Weaponry/Space Beam" hypothesis is bunk. One of the things Prof. Jones spoke of that really stuck with me was "More Data." For instance, one of the photos Judy Woods uses and Jim Fetzer used during his presentation showed what appears to be a funnel of smoke above the collapsing tower. That has been used again and again to argue for space beams. However, there is another photo that shows what was really happening. More Data... I hope people realize from this that you must look at all of the evidence in regards to any aspect of 9/11. Don't jump to conclusions without really digging deep, and looking at all of the information.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Show "yet more data" by Constitutionalist

Anywho...

Imagine if Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh got Jim Fetzer on the T.V., and made a fool of him, and all of us with this "hypothesis". I think what this panel proves is that when you speak publicly, each word represents more than just yourself. They represent this cause, and this movement.

It appears this site is even more infested with bullshit than it was a few days ago. "Exotic Weaponry" is dead. "No Planes at the WTC" is dead. "Mini-Nukes" is dead. All of them died at this conference.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

So what you're saying Jon

So what you're saying Jon is: this is "the day the Dis-info Died"?

One of McLean's lesser known works? ;-)

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Bye Bye...

Ms. Disinfo Pie...


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

This poster is Rick Siegel

It is interesting to note that the last time i pointed this out his response was to ask: "Who's Rick?"

Gee - I guess I made a mistake - right?

Wrong. Because, later, when I point out that Rick Siegel and Nico Haupt share an IP Address his response is:

"Nico and I do NOT share IP addresses - duh"

duh indeed.

here is the proof:

Mysteriously - after point this out he disappeared from the thread.

Now here is is again - like chicken pox - spreading his disinformation.

Tell us Rick how you are working for the victim's families and the community by providing an IP address to a known disruptor who posts swastikas and feces in a public church.

Nano Dust

Question 1, what is the relative temperature at ground zero and surrounding areas?

Question 2, Does heat rise?

Question 3, could the 'nano' dust be rising on the collums of hot air from the ground?

Questioni 4, How fast and in what direction was the wind blowing that day?

Question 5. Could the residue heat from the attacks themelves, the city itself, explain why these finer particles are drifting skyward rather than beam weapons?

If this is Rick, how do the sounds of the explosive devices at ground level help or hurt theexplanation of the entire destruction by Beam weapons?

I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it."-Saturday, February 27, 1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC

Don't expect answers

Rick does not stand up well to scrutiny.

Show "u have fair points which beg the question" by Constitutionalist

If this is Rick, did you

If this is Rick, did you REALLY tell 911DD that I was a fan of yours? And if so, why?

See SLC thread for reference. No, I'm not going to give you a link--dig for it. :P

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Jones already addressed this... I posted it...

But it got voted down because instead of reading the contents, people just saw "Fusion Devices" in the subject and immediately backed out...

This time... READ IT!!!

http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=61

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only "exotic weaponry" advocates would be giving me a - for this

It is Jones' reply to the "exotic weaponry" hypothesis/"evidence"

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Discrediting the constitution?

"9/11 denier" Steve Jones, the man who has done more hard work, methodical experimentation and cogent analysis than anybody -- yeah, call him a "9/11 denier" when he has the most plausible hypothesis there is for the demoltion of the twin towers.

You shills will resort to anything to smear this movement, now that there is actual attention by the population. This is about control through disinformation.

As long as a photo proves "nano dust" why not just blame the UFO's? Why bother with any evidence at all: they had cloaks of invisibility. Can you see them? Can you see them?

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They are only interested in straw-men

A straw-man arises when evidence is selectively chosen (and ignored) to support a pre-determined conclusion.

Sounds kind of like the 9/11 commission, doesn't it?

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Fetzer assumes CD theory involves only thermite?

In his speech and chart, Fetzer only seems to dispute the CD theory from the idea that thermite alone was used.

Isn't there evidence that it was a combination of CD materials? Thermite and explosives?

I know there needs to be open discussion about this, but I feel sorry that Jones has to disporve such weak and juvenile theories as those proposed by space beam Fetzer.

Toasted Cars and Distance

Is there any evidence showing where those cars are in relation to the towers? Is there any evidence showing that those cars weren't just towed to their present location, thereby explaining the damage to distance ratio?

I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it."-Saturday, February 27, 1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC

evidence?

why would a disruptor care about evidence?

Thanks for the link. I'm not

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure if you submitted this but I did to 911blogger. I also sent it over to Screwloosechange to let those clowns debunk it. Great find! The lost video feed at the end is classic as well.

1. Does anyone know who was in charge of issuing press releases from the city at that time?
2. Would they be in the Mayor's office at the time after he vacated WTC 7?
3. Is it a fed release?
4. If we can figure out who issued that press release to the BBC we will have someone to question, ASAP.
I wonder if Larry S. insurance company is aware of this? ;)

I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it."-Saturday, February 27, 1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC

Hello!

Looking forward to your blog.

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the Plot !

Look everyone, I'm only a year or so deep in studying and advocating in the 911 Truth movement. All I want to say at this point is short and sweet and I think important for all to consider.

It is extremely important, imho, that everyone get on one platform and the only platform possible at this time is: There are too many loose ends, uresolved issues, lies, cover-ups and circumstancial evidence as well as first hand witnesses to allow this event to pass without an exact and precise investigation. It is the NEW investigation that EVERYONE in the 911 Truth movement should be directing their efforts towards. Not resolving how exactly the towers fell. That will come in time. It will come when we have made enough stink in the world and media that a new investigation is opened. Then the hard work begins, to make sure the investiagation is thorough, includes unbiased citizens in its boards of inquiry, has teeth and sufficient funding to look at all matters thoroughly. Only then will there be sufficient resouces, people, witnesses and documents available to determine what exactly went on in the towers to make them fall.

We have enough unresolved smoking guns to bring to the public the reasons for a new investigation.
Nobody who is half way intelligent that I have spoken to about this situation has argued that a due dilligence new investigation is unreasonable, however, most people are turned off by the conclusions brought forth on how the towers fell without a though new investigation. Who are we to know this, without the funding, teeth, documents and witnesses? What we need is a new investigation, not everyone splintering off being ego centric Sherlock Holmes shattering and self sabotageing this movement. We don't have to wait for the Feds to put into play hit men in this movement, it seems to me that self sabotage is happening here because of the weaknesses of human nature itself. Let's climb above all the theories and let the answers come in their due time. It is now our job to make sure a new investigation happens. To make that happen, we need to confront everyone with what is not known and what is inconsistant, not with what we speculate happened.

Take note that I give this comment 100 points!

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Someone needs to explain to Fetzer

Someone needs to explain to Fetzer that this was a top down explosive demolition, the first of its kind. Where ELSE is all the shit supposed to go except all over the place?

And who the heck knows what kind of explosives were used (except nukes which Jones has refuted - read his paper at S911T)?

I think there's a good probability that termate was used, particularly at the level of impact, as can be seen in the south tower, with the molten metal spewing out the corner (of course Fetzer attempts to raise doubt as to the authenticity of that observation, suggesting that it's a FAKE!).

How much more damage can Reynolds and Wood (and now Fetzer) do?

And Fetzer holds up his "hypothesis" as though it's an either/or choice, suggesting that the DEW is a better hypothesis than thermate, which must be discounted if the beams can be proven to have been present.

And for God's sake these directed energy weapons don't case buildings to EXPLODE, like in the movie Independance Day, where the Whitehouse was blown to smitherenes by a lazer, especially not commencing at around the area of impact (which was done craftily to simulate a "collapse initiation" hypothesis.

I think it's a disgrace that time was taken up on this, when the conference was supposed to be about 9/11 accountibility.

LOL

You think he really believes this theory? This guy graduated from Princeton magna cum laud - and won awards. he is not stupid. he wrote papers on the science of disinformation - one titled:

"Information - Does It Have To Be True?"

..in which he makes the argument that information does not have to be true to be credible. Have you ever heard anything so Orwellian? His website had a link to WingTV and 911Researchers - two KNOWN disinfo websites.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Stop trying to REASON with the LOGIC of his work.

Why don't you post the text of the paper?

... rather than your characterization of it?

Sure

When i get home tonight. I'll also post the email exchange i had with the Oxford professor he cites in the paper. He agrees that essentially Dr Fetzer is legitimizing lying.

But - let me ask you - do you still share an IP address with Nico Haupt? What is your position on his recent posting of swastikas and feces in a churching holding a 911 Truth event?

where is it?

where is it?

VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE

If you're the one who uploaded this, then upload it to a bunch of other video sites right away. Google is not letting me watch it as of right now.

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Distraction

Yes I beleive someones trying to do a clean sweep of this video while everyone here is involved in the endless spacebeam distraction.

Holy Frick'n SHIT! EVERYONE - WATCH THIS!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1471985581749234824&q=9%2F11

Amazing!

That's the most powerful 9/11 truth video segment I've EVER SEEN!

BBC World Accounces collapse of WTC7 BEFORE it actually happens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spread the word folks.

This has been checked and verified and is going into Loose Change FC.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO GET THIS UP ON 911BLOGGER!

It's "not available" at Google video right now. Anyone download it?

I suspect it will "not be available" for a while...

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WTF

For all you people screaming about the video did you not notice that your link doesn't work? Christ! Did you try to play the video before you posted this?Let's get a solid video of this embedded to this site before it all gets washed down the memory hole.

Link worked fine for me--it

Link worked fine for me--it just "wasn't available". That was Google's message.

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This is the biggest story to hit our movemnt yet!

This is the biggest story to hit our movemnt yet!

It CRUSHES the BBC to begin with, who just did that total HIT PIECE on the 9/11 Truth Movement..

And then it draws attention to the one thing, of all the 9/11 lies, which most propells our movement, and this has been proven by the Zogby poll, which seemed to indicate, that all the people who'd actually SEEN WTC7 go down, up to NINETY PERCENT were inclined to believe that the alternative record of 9/11, as presented on the Internet, and in reality, as representing the most plausible explanation, as to what actually took place that day.

We've just been handed IMO, the very tip of the leading edge of the 9/11 truth spearhead of change, of transformation, and of progress, for the betterment of all mankind.

Thank you BBC!

Cheers!!!

This one justifies, a toast!

:-D

It worked earlier.

I scanned through it, even though I had already downloaded it here - http://www.911blogger.com/node/6391#comment - & it worked fine.

Under BBC It's this one in the list - http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2/items/bbc200109111654-1736/V08591-16.mpg

Captured!

Good work!

My oh my is this ever wonderful for the prospects of our movement, particularly in the UK.

This story SURELY has legs.

How can the MSM NOT cover THIS!!!

teeheehee

And that new Pentacon movie, while missing a few pieces (available I suppose in the "Researcher Edition"), it DOES show that the downed lightpoll flight path, was either staged or caused by another aircraft).

Two GAPING holes in the official story, as presented, and as a narrative only (no blame) in the 9/11 Omission Report, and now this, coming up in the NIST Report. Oh do send this ot Roger Gross at NIST, just to let him know that we know he knows we know, and that everyone knows, or soon will, about WTC 7.

CNN said at 4:10 that building 7 "Has either collapsed...

or is collapsing".

http://ia311543.us.archive.org/1/items/cnn200109111545-1626/V08537-12.mpg

Could someone with a little more upload bandwidth than me get this on google?

Have you seen it now Building 7?

Poor Building 7. Ya just gotta SEE THIS!!!

We got them!

We have the 911 "documentation" from BBC which is very hard evidence for a cover up. And now we even have proof for BBC involvement to some degree. And it's not just that they had Foreknowledge that the wtc7 will come down. They were more deeply involved!

The "conection lost" shit in the end is what i call an attempt to cover up of mass murder. This usually provides something between life long prison and death penality. The BBC decivers are done for! Spread this video around!

"in the end deceivers deceive only themselves"
- Mahatma Gandhi

BUILDING 7. BBC broadcasted collapse 23 minutes before happened.

must see google video.

Best evidence yet.
SUper smoking gun.
Listen before its removed.

the video shows BBC broadcasting the collapse of building 7, 23 minutes before it happened.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1471985581749234824

or video.google.com search for: bbc building 7

What are they going to do, the BBC?

???

^_^

The BBC WTC7 Story

I would presume someone's creating a most beautiful blog story on this for the front page.

MAN what a story!!!

This is hard to believe - what a GEM!

Let's Roll.

;-)

I heard this on the Alex

I heard this on the Alex Jones show.
A caller called in and told him about it.
I immediately went and watched it.

I tried to download it from google to save it on my hard disk.
Does anyone know how to do this ?

I went back to infowars.com and their website has only a few
words on it.

He must be scrambling to get it and post it. Maybe some cia dudes jumbled his website.

Please someone save the BBC building 7 video on their hard disk.

Again, does anyone know how to do download to their hard disk.

I'm sure people are on it..

Including DZ, as it will look real nice at the top of the front page, if only to bump down the Fetzer/Jones "debate" :-)

I'm sure people are on it..

Including DZ, as it will look real nice at the top of the front page, if only to bump down the Fetzer/Jones "debate" :-)

capture google

Replay AV8 works like a gem
I captured it. How would I post it here... Is there a way?

Talk to dz---click on

Talk to dz---click on "contact us" under the "911Blogger.com" and email him. ;-)

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We need to get this to the front page!

I need to hone up on my blogging skills or I would have done it.

How do you set a link, an image, and in particular, create a Google Video window in your blog?

Could you point me in the right direction.

I got booted from the Loose Change Forums for bashing the no planers. Nothing else to do.

Your help is appreciated.

And in the interim GET THIS STORY UP ON THE FRONT PAGE!!!

Show "Danielle B Lemack" by Amanda Reconwith

I'd just like to say...

That I thought Carl Weiss did a phenomenal job.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Be Sure to Digg This Story Right Away!

It's shooting up the Digg list~!

362 diggs

Up from 154 about an hour ago.

So this is going to the top front page of Digg then.

Be sure to add your comments, and just thrash the sceptics in there k?

But just be rational, not argumentative, there's no need to go there. They're in our sights now with this story!

Someone be sure to get this to PR Web, from which it may get picked up a Yahoo News, then maybe even Google News.

This is a big story!

Yup

Yup, it's going to be on the front page of Digg and that's a lot of people reading - so PLEASE, do be CERTAIN to Digg it and post your comments, and prepare to click on a lot of red bury icons, and green digg ones! ;-)

We're winning with this one, BIG TIME!

Talliho - CARGE!

Why isn't this story covered at 911blogger?

This is BIG NEWS!

I hope someone is working on that.

Here's my tag...

I was absolutely terrified to get up on stage, and I did it twice. It's amazing how activism challenges you to do things you would never have done before.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

you all just missed Ron Paul make some nice points

on CNN's Lou Dobbs (dobbs wasn't in)

such as:

Osama & Saddam were once allies with the US, but then became enemies

Iraq had nothing to do with 911

There are 2 parties in Washington, Big Gov't Conservatives and Big Gov't Liberals...

The difference? What they want to spend the $ on....

touche' Ron Paul

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Jones Blew Fetzer Out of the Water!

I was at the 9/11 Accountability Conference and I heard Fetzer and Jones speak. Fetzer gave no evidence, no scientific data, nothing. He cited Judy Wood's website and her data there which hasn't been updated in many, many months!! Jones had real data, real scientists, real research, some of which was "hot off the press". Fetzer got nice applause at the end of his spiel, Jones got a long standing ovation at the end of his presentation.

Have you ever bothered to read anything Dr. Jones or Dr. Jenkins or any of the other scientists have written?

I think you are perpetuating the disinfo.

Sorry

Sorry, I didn't get this into the thread in the proper place. I will try again.

I kept trying to post Jones response to the "nukes hypothesis"..

but it kept getting voted down...

fargin' iceholes.

My mother voted me down once....

Once.

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Here is my video...

It's 358MB and 2 hours and 15 minutes long. It includes the whole press conference give or take a few minutes, and a few interviews that include Peter Garritano from Vermont, casseia from 911Blogger.com, and a surprise guest that allowed me to speak with him for a good long while.

911Blogger.com people, my site will not be able to handle the bandwidth. Please put this up on 911blogger.com ASAP. Also, if someone could get this on Video Google, it would be much appreciated. Video Google wouldn't work for me for some reason.

Click Here


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I'll put it on google video jon...

just like I put up this little gem:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3911608279252877087

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"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

My meeting with Dr. Fetzer and Dr.Jones

After this panel, (in which I thoroughly enjoyed watching Dr. Jones give a fact based whipping to Fetzer's little theoretical space beam ass) I participated in a small strategy session with Jones, Fetzer and about five others in a small room above the conference. This particular session was supposed to be an intimate discussion about the use of logic and reason in the persute of accountability for the crimes of 911. Dr. Jones had not yet arrived. Therefore I took the opportunity to immediately put Fetzer on the spot with some tough questions about his ridiculous position that all theories should be equally publicized (or we have closed scientific minds) and, inaddition if he saw any difference between his role and responsibilities as an 'academic/scientist' and his role as a 'spokesman' for 911 Truth. Fetzer responded by weaving a tapestry of arrogant incomprehensible bullshit, as he shifted uncomfortably in his seat. He never even answered my questions but tried to impress and confuse me with impressive but inappropriate words and disjointed logic. I was being filibustered!  YT was sitting next to me and he can attest to this incredible display. ( I thought YT was filming but unfortunately he missed it.....he did film the rest of the meeting but its not worth posting) I wanted to continue but Dr. Jones arrived and it became clear that no one wanted to use this session to continue the debate between 'the scholars'. Instead, it turned into a very personal, interesting and generally soft spoken exchange about real actions and goals for the movement and for protecting ourselves and families. Dr. Jones said he had stocked a year supply of food at his home and encouraged us all to do the same in case of an econmomic melt down or other national disaster. We just talked as ordinary humans and citizens trying to protect our families , our communities and our country with all of the resources we currently had at our disposal. It was actually very moving. Fetzer didn't even participate in this discussion, except to throw in a few sarcastic laughs and a 'that won't work' comment. He shifted in his chair,yawned and generally seemed unconcerned, untouched, and slightly uncomfortable by the conversation around him. Maybe it was because it wasn't about him, or maybe he was uncomfortable to see the genuiune humanity and decency of the people in this movement which he has been misleading. I don't know.  But my gut and my intelligence suggest ......Fetzer never left the military. Sounds harsh?......too bad.Now lets move on!

Wow...

Thanks for the update.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I made a brief appearance...

So brief in fact, I wasn't even in focus.

:D


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton