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BBC Error ! Huge smoking gun of pre-knowledge collapse of WTC7

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1471985581749234824&q=9%2F11

See at 15:00 time mark.

On September 11th 2001, BBC World reported at 4:57pm Eastern Time that the Salomon Brothers Building (more commonly known as WTC7 or World Trade Building 7) had collapsed.

This even made the 5pm EST headlines, what is bizarre is that the building did not actually collapse until 5:20pm EST.

9/11 was unusual enough, without BBC World being able to foretell the destiny of WTC 7.

What is even stranger, is that the women reporter is telling the world that the building had collapsed when you can see it in the background over her left shoulder.

Then at 5:15pm EST, just five minutes before the building did actually collapse, her live connection from New York to London mysteriously fails.

So the question is, on 9/11 how did the BBC learn that WTC7 collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did.

Building Seven was 47 storeys, modern in design with structural steel throughout, yet symmetrically collapsed in 6.5 seconds, was someone leaking information.

No steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire, before or after 9/11, most people who find out about WTC7, believe it was brought down by a controlled demolition, even demolition experts agree.

UPDATE:

Shure from www.pumpitout.com

"Well I don't know if the BBC care but they are NOW AWARE !!"

below is a phone call to the BBC making them aware of their error, lets hope they dont send in Guy Smith to investigate!

http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/bbc_oops.mp3

FYI this is 911veritas' discovery!

http://www.911blogger.com/node/6400

Also, PUMPITOUT.com has created a graphic to go along with this story...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1471985581749234824&q=9%2F11#14m...

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

BBC's WTC7 Early Warning Updated.

OK....

Not had much sleep, whilst verifying and double / triple checking the numbers etc... I have now narrowed down the maximum margin of error to 1 minute and can confirm that the BBC first reported WTC7's collapse at 5pm (plus or minus 60secs) New York time LIVE on 9/11, a full 20 minutes before the actual collapse happened !!!


I am working on presenting this info with a V2 of above vid and 911blogger exclusive blog, which will take some time, verification is very important and to aid this.

I please ask as many people (with high speed internet) and 5GB of spare disk space to download the following BBC originals. These are what I used to confirm the timings (you can too) and have the damning footage etc.


All times are local "New York", the ranges are pretty accurate, but following my calculations are approximately 3 mins earlier than the actual time.

Each file is MPEG format and 1GB in size - To Download - "Right Click / Save Target As"


BBC World 9/11 Footage - 14:08 to 14:49

BBC World 9/11 Footage - 14:49 to 15:31

BBC World 9/11 Footage - 15:31 to 16:13

BBC World 9/11 Footage - 16:13 to 16:54

BBC World 9/11 Footage - 16:54 to 17:36



I have produced a medium res WMV file that shows time sychronized continuous footage from 14:40 to 17:18.

This file is approx 700MB and starts at the Pataki conference with an accurate timestamp of 14:40 Eastern Time (gotta find a home for it online, DZ ?).


Maybe Guy Smith can do some research for us... LOL

Best wishes and good luck

Props to Gangster for the initial heads up on the 9/11 realtime news footage archive on archive.org.

Continuous realtime footage from 9/11 by ABC, CNN, BBC, NBC, FOX etc...

Good starting Link : http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=title%3A%28Sept.%2011%29&sort=-date

As stallion4 kindly mentioned....

More info in this blog : http://www.911blogger.com/node/6400#comment-119070

Excellent Work 911veritas

I also noticed what to me at least appears to be 2 steel columns sticking straight up through the rubble pile of WTC7 with the ends of each column "sliced at an angle" just like you would see in a Controlled Demolition.
It is at the 23:15 mark.

Thanks, here's the original "High Res" image...

WTC7 - Steel Cut Like A Demolition Shaped Charge

High Quality DivX of Version 2 (450MB) - NOW AVAILABLE

Just finished version 2.

More info in this blog post : http://www.911blogger.com/node/6458#comment-119458

Very tired, so I'll be brief...


New info

- Timings now within +/- 60 seconds margin of error.
- DVD Quality
- Contains info how to verify, timings etc.
- Looks a bit tidier
- Has host and reporter names


CLICK PICTURE to download file at MegaUpload.com (25 second wait time)


Get it here     -------> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VL4MPLV8



Hope you all like it, if you do, please feel free to upload to Google video, youtube, liveleak etc... Share, torrent, binary newgroups.... whatever you can....


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Great job man!!! I want to

Great job man!!! I want to now why this isn’t on the front page yet?

Wow... Great Catch 911veritas

Let's see where this story goes. I'd like to hear the BBC's explanation for this... This could be a big story if it is confirmed to be true, and from what I have seen it looks legitimate.

I'll help download some of this stuff for you.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

DIGG

So you're telling me...

That this...

Is absolutely real? If it is real, it would mean that the BBC received a press release telling them that Building 7 collapsed prior to it collapsing. It would mean that there was foreknowledge of its' collapse. It would mean that the female reporter doesn't know NYC very well. It would mean that building 7 would be the first steel structure building to come down as a result of fire, and fire alone (it was not hit by a plane). It would mean that the chances of it being brought down by Controlled Demolition are greater BECAUSE no steel structure building has ever come down due to fire, and fire alone, yet, they knew it was going to happen.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

DIGG DIGG DIGG

7 minute clip now up on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFDd5Yjn3w&eurl

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

Show "Red Herring" by Jabba

Completely disagree with you.

People dug through the archives and found the footage:
http://911blogger.com/node/6391

This wasn't a set-up or anything like that. If it was it backfired, because this is a huge win for the 9/11 truth movement. Millions will have learned about Building 7 thanks to the BBC story coming out.

I see no downside to this story at all.

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

I second that, stallion!

The argument jabba uses is bogus. It was no incidentally pop-up, it was the work of 911veritas.

As soon as one video emerged, it is clear that others check all sources as well. Totally explainable.

So this will only serve to plant doubts- a dis-info method, at least.

Red Herring

I do share your hopes that this could lead to something positive for the 911 movement. I am, however, inclined to ask how and why would someone (FEMA or whoever) inform the news agencies in advance about something they would report anyway?

If BBC and CNN knew in advance versus not knowing in advance about the collapse of WTC7, how would that affect the final reporting?

The fact would still remain the same, WTC7 collapsed and it would be reported no matter what.

Whoever was in charge of 911, do you think they would run the risk of letting more people in backstage on an event of that scale? I seriously doubt that.

In any case, maybe the two feeds from BBC and CNN were digged up as a pure coincidence, maybe not. But my experience is that very few things happens by coincidence.

I have an explanation

Putting the WTC7 in context:

Now, with three confirmations about early (means before it actually happened) reports on the collapse of WTC7, we can assume that there was indeed an early press release, stating that Building 7 has collapsed due to fires and damage from the fallen debris of the Twin Towers.

The CNN guy was confused, as he could see the building still standing in the skyline, which made him switch to “Is collapsing” as he reads the news.
The BBC reporter, who did not necessarily knew the Manhattan skyline in detail, gave us the original report: “indeed it has collapsed.”

The people behind this press release should be taken unter close scrutinity, they are most likely the real perps of that day. We can only speculate, if it was the OEM or a similar organisation or group of persons.

I mean, this early reporting was not necessarily an “error” in the script Matrix.

Remember that WTC7 slided into oblivion after that day, from 01-09-12 on?

Just think you are in the media and you discovered, that you had been duped. All the officials speak of Bin Laden and the attack, and with the state of shock, mind boggling trouble and fear…
It’s easy to assume that the media masters decided to cover this up, instead of acknowledging this hot trace and follow up. How would you had decided?

We already knew that 911 was a Psy-OP, a black OP. So this will fit perfect in context.
The media, beeing duped, would make everything they can to bury the case.
They were owned with this little trick.
Just think about that we needed nearly 6 years to worked that out.
And the ongoing attempts to bury the videos, this alone raise suspicion.

Now, let’s put that altogether:

We have: “There are bombs in the building, start clearing out”.
We have reports about countdowns.
We have ear-witnesses reports about bombs in this building.
We have a demolition expert, who said that it was controlled demolition
It looks like a controlled demolition. (neraly
The landowner admitted that they made the decision to pull it and watch it collapse.
The official report about what had happened is still missing.

There were warnings of the Twin Towers collapse ahead of time also.

If it looks like shit, if it smells like shit, if it taste like shit…

U know what I’m trying to say.

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I sent it as Blog.

PS: Maybe, if the archiv-file was uploaded by the BBC recently (ask 911veritas), there are maybe some guys within the BBC who care about the truth...

PS: Nothing wrong about beeing careful. Sorry for my maybe too harsh words...

this is HUGE!!!!! make this

this is HUGE!!!!! make this front page!!!!

It appears that 911blogger is not interested in this story

NOTHING, NADA, ZIP about it on the front page..

Unbelievable!

A couple of questions ...

1) How is the time established? On the video there is no clock and no announcement of the hour. (Not when they go through the top-of-the-hour routine). Please go through the process by which one obtains this video, step by step, and establishes the time.

2) Assuming it's 10 pm as you say. What gives you the impression it was BST (British Summer Time)?
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/bst.html

This is BBC World Service, not a national British feed. They are broadcast by satellite on a global scale and would never use BST but GMT (Greenwich Mean Time), also known as UTC (Universal Time, Coordinated).
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/bst.html

GMT/UTC never jumps for anyone's national idea of daylight savings time. Thus the time used by local clocks in Greenwich on 9/11/2001 would be BST or UTC+1.

New York on 9/11/2001 was on EDT (Eastern Daylight Time), not EST (Eastern Standard Time), as you indicate on the title you added. EDT is UTC -4.
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/edt.html

WTC 7 collapsed at 5:20 pm EDT. 10 pm GMT is 6 pm EDT.

That would mean that in the clip you have chosen, the BBC anchor is conveying the information about the collapse of the Salomon Brotheres Building (a.k.a. WTC 7) at 5:57 pm EDT or approximately 37 minutes after the event.

I think we need to investigate why the BBC World News was so slow on the ball.

3) Did the timezone/daylight savings problem not occur to you as a possible explanation? Why does the title you insert mention two timezones that are not relevant? (BST for the BBC World Service, EST for New York on 9/11/2001?)

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"Truth is not measured in mass appeal."
summeroftruth.org

The main point is, there

The main point is, there discussing and have already announced that WTC7 has collapsed... when you can clearly see it in the background - HUGE !!!!

and yes, perps to the original founder - i take no credit... but i wanted to get this info out asap.

- Drakey

Why not answer the questions?

Of course it's relevant WHEN this was shot, if a title inserted by the editor adds in false information about the time zone to make it look as if the video was broadcast BEFORE the collapse. It may also be suspicious AFTER the collapse, but it's relevant to know: when was this broadcast?

So what about the three questions above? They are relevant. You put this info out, so please try.

Here is another question you may want to avoid:

WHO PUT IN THE EXTRA TITLES WITH THE CLAIMS ABOUT THE TIME?

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"Truth is not measured in mass appeal."
summeroftruth.org

Nicholas are you suggesting that WTC-7 isn't behind the reporter

???

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

Show "Blue Screen" by geoffritchey

That's the ticket

Building 7 is a hologram...lol

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

You People Need Help.

911 Blogger is in serious danger. Its become a forum where people promote their "explosive new smoking gun" and if anyone, such as Nicholas, dares to ask any questions or analyze them, they are voted down and called "trolls" and "antagonists".

Are you people insane?

This story needs to be properly investigated before we jump to conclusions. Thus far, I've been unable to see any of the videos. All the links are bad. So I've got nothing. BUT.......

.....even if it does turn out that BBC reported something before it happened, directing all our attention towards the BBC is silly when we have more than enough evidence of firefighters, the building owner, THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK, and news reporters on the scene (some on video) saying "this building is going to collapse" before it happens. We have workers on tape saying "keep an eye on that building, its about the blow up" for Christ's sake! Watch:

So everyone and their mother seemed to know the building was going to fall down. The question is "why?". Congress should be grilling Guiliani, Silverstein, and the firefighters and other workers on the scene, especially the ones who --allegedly--- performed a countdown before WTC7 fell. Talk about smoking guns.

The bottom line is that people, including the media, knew WTC7 was coming down. The BBC stupidly reported it happened before it actually did. We knew the BBC was crap anyways. But they don't deserve this much of our time when we already have important smoking guns to work with: the video tapes and statements of people like Guiliani and Silverstein, and all the other rescuers coming forward about Building 7.

WHO KNEW IT WAS GOING TO COLLAPSE AND HOW DID THEY KNOW THE EXACT MOMENT IT WOULD OCCUR? QUESTION SILVERSTEIN, GUILIANI, NYFD and everyone else who knew it was coming down and said so (on tape). Think the NYFD couldn't be bribed to take part in a demolition and cover it up? Think again.

DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A BUNCH TALKING ABOUT THE BBC UNTIL WE CAN PROPERLY EXAMINE THE VIDEOS.

So. Now that I've dared to demean this new "smoking gun" which reveals nothing that we didn't already know --- that prior knowledge of Building 7 Collapsing was leaked to the media --- go ahead and call me a "troll" or "antagonist".

All I am saying is that we need to be cautious here.

Some people don't quite understand that concept. Now give me my negative rating, you miserable twits.

Pulled

Not just one time!

Pulled several times!
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Ignorance is NOT Bliss

You really sound like a shill, 911MagicianComm!!!

Why the hell should we defeat great evidence like this ourselves??? Promote all foreknowledge of the free-fall implosion of WTC-7!!!

Defeat?

Analyze, investigate, verify, check. That's all I'm asking. Just because a story is sensational, doesn't mean it shouldn't be examined.

What angered me were the reactions to Nicholas' comments where he asked how we knew the reports were done at 5 pm.

He raised an important question: who stamped the time? How did we know, as there was no clock on the screen

But instead of answering his questions, he got a negative rating and people called him a troll and antagonist.

Are you all fucking insane? He just asked a fucking question.

I can't fucking stand how fucking childish you pathetic twits can be.

please, be more high and

please, be more high and mighty. in a previous thread Nicholas actually called anyone who took an interest in this a troll by calling the very subject TROLL BAIT in very big letters. just know the history before you get bent out of shape for people being voted down. i get voted down a lot, im sure people have their reasons. plus, like i said, Nicholas has a tendency to tell people not to look into certain avenues. im not saying things shouldnt be analyzed, but on its face this looks like it could be a big deal. the fact that it seems to have been completely scrubbed from the web as of now is pretty interesting too. im not gonna call Nicholas a troll or an antagonist for his question but understand why people may have voted him down. jumping to conclusions without info like you and calling people here twits seems fucking childish and pathetic to me. lighten up.

911MagicianCommission

1) You don't need to call people names.

2) Just because you haven't been able to download and verify the video doesn't mean others haven't.

3) Nicholas' first questions are currently rated +2. It was only when he started saying things like this that he got modded down (also notice the caps):

"Here is another question you may want to avoid:

WHO PUT IN THE EXTRA TITLES WITH THE CLAIMS ABOUT THE TIME?"

4) Number 3 is somewhat irrelevant because she is saying building 7 collapsed while it is obviously standing behind her.

5) On the other hand, I agree that nailing down exact times is important. 911veritas gave an explanation of how to do that here.

6) If you haven't attempted to follow the instructions to figure out the timeline, or in your case, you haven't even watched the video, why are you posting comments such as these?

7) If you're yelling that 911veritas did not do the work to verify the times, and you haven't even done this basic research, much like a "debunker" would act, you can and should be modded down.

Show "I couldn't agree more," by Mel

Sorry to hear you're leaving...

..but you must of course do what you think is right.

Good luck with your future prospects. ;-)

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

this new bbc footage

thee's something odd abut itthough I can'ts ayi'm convced t's fake orin som e way manipulated

it might just be me, but there's something that sounds vaguely scripted about it. kind of like an rpisode of the office. it just seems... i dunno.

fake or not, it's still cool to watch them talking about the perps whoever they may be and imagining that they are talking about the REAL perps and not the patsies.

but the point to be taken is that we should cultivate a healthy skepticism. i think one good reason to do so especially in the case of video evidence is the fact that "video fakery" has been wrongfully alleged before, perhaps to pre-emptively sour people on REAL cases of video fakery.

it's not for us to determine exactly what is tru and what isn't--it is to train people to think for themselves and never assume the majority are right about anything.

for once i agree with magishcommish--the cost/benefit ratio should be considered. since building 7 is so obvious, the marginal gain of piling on yet more proof is hardly worth promoting a fake. i sthe point here to try to allege that the BBC was complicit? confused? deceived?

whether or not this particular line of inquiry proves fruitfuil is irrelevant--we should consider all possibilities, however implausible they may seem. the more certain we can be about what we know to be true, the more confidence we will exude and the more convincing we will be!

hey OT-- I'm torn between working on more 9/11 trading cards, or taking the hint from erin myers and contributing something a bit more refined than cards to the cause. so i'm thinking of writing a cook book, "EAT GOOD CROW, 101 delicious ways to admit you were wrong"

if you'd like to contribute, please submit your own (or someone else's) favorite crow recipe (maybe each time a shill posts something)

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

WTF?

...she clearly points to it, repeatedly says it is "behind her", and then turns around to look at it ....what the hell do you want?

do you have times?

on the video when she does that? I don't remember seeing abything that convincing. i could well be wrong--just asking!

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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

 

No I don't think it's a blue

No I don't think it's a blue screen, she turns around to point out the smoke etc.

yep...

and you also see the sunlight on her hand as she sticks it out the window to point...

Also if you check the footage throughout the day and later into the evening, the same window is used.

You can even see the backgrounds reflection in the glass to her right (left as you look at the screen).

Best wishes

You should try and get this

You should try and get this on Divx Stage6 as well dude;

http://stage6.divx.com/

^ You can get much higher quality hosting on that and they probably won’t do a Silverstein and "pull it" like google either.

uploading it to google vid

uploading it to google vid again...

see how long it take them to 'Larry' it.

It is NOT bluescreen

I posted this at Prison Planet but I will repeat it here:

The video does NOT appear to be blue screened at all.

1) The camera is North of WTC looking south and given the time of day (5pm) the sun should be setting in the west which would be on the RIGHT side of the frame.

2) The scene is lit from the RIGHT and we can clearly see the sunlight on the woman coming in from the windows so the lighting is perfect. A studio lighting would be very neutral and not have that harshness at all.

3) The news anchor in Britain is talking to her over a live feed... therefore it follows that she is likely in New York city.

4) I have checked the original source video (from archive.org) and it is full D1 with interlacing. There are absolutely NO aliasing or artifact effects that are normally very evident whenever a composite shot is used on TV. First, the resolution makes seeing the matte lines easy and second the overlay is done in real time so that a lot of pixelation occurs. Next time you see your weatherman in front of a bluescreen look closely and you'll see the pixelation.

5) The woman actually turns and looks out on the scene, which if it was a bluescreen seems odd to say the least.

6) As she turns the camera ZOOMS in on the scene. Both the woman AND the image behave exactly as one would expect from a live shot. If it were composite we would see the image zoom but not the woman. It is at this point quite obvious that the image behind the woman is indeed NYC as seen through a window.

To sum: There is absolutely NO evidence to suggest any composite work and LOTS of evidence that points to it being your standard bonafide camera shot. This one is real folks, now we need to figure out what it means, if anything.

doesn't have to be blue screen to be fake

shec ould be there and the "building 7" could be.... yes, video fakery. but really, we don't need more proof that building 7 collapsed than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExUTAbUCYL0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ewtcde...

 

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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

You've Really Got to Observe the Data

...before you start nit-picking. At exactly 16:58, the breaking banner says "The 47 storey Salomon Brothers building close to the World Trade Centre has also collapsed."
The shot is clearly marked "Live" and the correspondent is standing in front of the patently visible WTC7 itself. No time stamping is necessary. The paradox is encapsulated in that singular shot.

absolutely spot on.

absolutely spot on.

WHY VOTE DOWN LIGITIMATE QUESTIONS?

How many times have we jumped the gun making announcements without thinking it through?

I think its kinda messed up that people are voting down posts that seek to examine the time-zone questions associated with this video.

Another legitimate questions could be: Is it possible the BBC just got it wrong? Its true that word was being widely circulated that Building 7 was in danger of collapse. This could have been part of their cover story - circulating the rumor that Building 7 was in DANGER of collapse before actually pulling it.

Is it possible that the BBC got hold of this rumor and misreported it in the chaos that was going on?

what could be the possible alternative? are you suggesting that the BBC had a script of events and reported it before it happened? wouldn't that mean that every technician and camera man and console man and producer and grip and BBC intern in the studio would have to be in on the plot?

why are we just finding out about this now?

is it possible that this is a red herring being thrown at us to embarass us yet again?

does not the TRUTH MOVEMENT have a RESPONSIBILITY to ask responsible questions, and eliminate all possibilities before making blanket announcements?

i would say its also a case

i would say its also a case of "consider the source" though. Nicholas has a habit of telling people to sit on most evidence because the "debunkers" will use it against us. asking legit questions about the time stamp is one thing, calling this piece of evidence "troll bait" like Nicholas did in another thread is another.

Shame on Nicholas

for having high standards.

William Pepper said in his speech at the Chicago conference that, given the efforts to discredit us from the obvious enemies of this movement, we need to be EXTRA careful about our facts - and make sure we KNOW all the facts before making claims.

Now - i am not suggesting that we sit on this story. But, here Nicholas poses questions regarding the time zones and people down vote them so that they are hidden.

If we can't ask questions - we are not a truth movement.

Getting voted down is part

Getting voted down is part of the risk we all take when we put our questions or arguments up.

I don't understand what the controversy is. It's obvious that Building 7 is behind the reporter. BBC has a fancy graphic saying the building had already fallen. The anchor in the studio sells the story that the building fell (before it did) because of fire and not from anything nefarious. The reporter's live feed mysteriously drops out five minutes into her report...

I agree that the time the video was shot needs to be locked down. From looking at the shadows on the buildings in the background, the sun is low in the west.

Anyone have rock solid proof that this vid was shot 15-30 minutes before Building 7 fell down?

EDIT:

I just noticed that the news anchor in the BBC studio looks at a clock and confirms that the video was shot "some 8 hours" after the attack. If anyone has the Google video (before they "pulled" it) forward to 17:30

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"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

I totally agree, the problem

I totally agree, the problem is I think Nicholas incorporates a bit of disdain into those otherwise very sensible points. So it’s like an attack on everyone else, the dude’s being too cynical. This needs to be vetted, Nick’s caution is definitely shared by me but there are other ways to phrase things basically.

Here's the answer for you and Nick...

VERIFY IT FOR YOURSELF...

Download the 5 MPEGs listed and linked above.

Join them together to prove that the 208 minutes of footage is contiguous and chronological.

Fast forward to 29 minutes, check the live clock should be 2:40pm, jump forward another 1hr 20 mins and you'll hear the host say it's 4pm in New York...

You then have your reasonably corroborated timeline...

From there you can view that at 5pm New York time... that they are reporting WTC7 down...

This is then confirmed by visuals for many minutes until the live link to New York goes down at 5:18 (just two minutes before you would have seen it go down in the background).

Hopefully this answers your questions.

Best wishes

PS. Nick was being an obnoxious and antagonistic troll, that's what he was voted down.

i never said that.

no, shame on Nicholas for being a "debunker" appeaser. its ok to have high standards but its ridiculous to tailor your message to please the "debunkers". this is about activism and waking up as many people as possible. the BBC saying WTC7 was demolished when it was clearly still standing may be a small piece of evidence but its yet another piece of evidence that points to the official story being a sick joke. but yeah, lets shove it under the rug because a time stamp might be wrong and a "debunker" might use it against us online. nobody even has to make any claims about this video. its damning enough alone and people should come to their own conclusions as to why the BBC would say such a thing at the time that they did. this isnt to be hidden like Nicholas would like.

And besides, "debunkers"

And besides, "debunkers" will be appeased by no less than capitulation.

Yeah, that's going to happen...

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im convinced a signed

im convinced a signed confession on national television from all of the perps that are TRULY connected to 9/11 wouldnt be enough for most of them. they like having someone to hate and pretending to be patriotic.

Want to see for yourself?

Go here - http://www.911blogger.com/node/6391#comment

I didn't download any of the BBC archives at first, I've been puzzling over the CNN archive link - time dated 1545-1626, where 25 minutes & 30 seconds into the clip they say building 7 "Has either collapsed or is collapsing" all while showing building 7 clearly still standing. By my calculations that's well over an hour before the 'collapse'.

A little caution is prudent.

Always watch out for skeptic bait.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month

"wouldn't that mean that

"wouldn't that mean that every technician and camera man and console man and producer and grip and BBC intern in the studio would have to be in on the plot?"

Why? I haven't seen the video but if she is reporting something that has not happened yet (wtc 7 collapse) she obviously has no idea what she is talking about. The information could have been relayed to her and, in that day of chaos, went straight to live without checking.

I think...

Her and the staff are idiots. They got some information that had turned sour on it's way down the chain. Maybe someone first reported that wtc7 was 'likely to collapse' and on it's way the workd likely was stripped off.

But I don't rule out a pre-planned release to the media by the perps. If this was an 'inside job' then that would be expected. Control the situation.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

yeah they get 'fed' what to

yeah they get 'fed' what to say -

she has obviously been given that info by the story tellers, but they got the timing wrong on when to release it.

You worry me Albanese. Why the hell would that newswoman &

her anchorman be talking on & on about the unfortunate collapse of the WTC-7 long before it did so--(under the most suspicious of circumstances, don't forget!)

It seems obvious that they were accidentally fed their scripted lines to read way ahead of time! (They are talking about WTC-7 being down, while unknowingly looking right at the massive building on their screen. It's a HUGE smoking gun!)

BTW, why are you immediately trying to make lame excuses for this blatant, perhaps fatal, error Albanese?

Did some one in the Truther

Did some one in the Truther universe download this and save it? Because now all these videos are "unavailable" when you go to Google. >:(

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

The "Bath-plugs" have pulled it...


Hi,

Your video "9/11 Building 7 Collapse - WTC7 23 Minute Warning - Salomon
Brothers Building" was rejected because it didn't comply with our
Program Policies.

Videos submitted to our program are subject to an initial review to
ensure that they comply with our guidelines. When videos do not meet
our standards, we disapprove them. You can review our guidelines at:

http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=27737&topic=1490&hl=en

Please make sure that you have all legal rights to use the content you
wish to submit to Google. For more information about intellectual
property rights and the program, please visit:
http://video.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=1490&hl=en

Thank you for your cooperation.

Sincerely,

The Google Video Team
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---------

That was only version one anyway.... grrrrrr

I've almot finished version 2... The file will be a DivX approx 500MB... also...

I have produced a medium res WMV file that shows time sychronized continuous footage from 14:40 to 17:18. So there is no doubt about the accuracy, even though everyone can see WTC7 behind her as she's reporting it...

This file is approx 700MB and starts at the Pataki conference with an accurate "live" timestamp of 14:40 Eastern Time and another at 4pm (gotta find a home for it online, DZ ?).

I also suggest that everyone get the originals, linked above for future reference.

Best wishes

Alex Jones went supernova with this story on his show today

And right now he's discussing and playing clips of it on Jack Blood's show with the LC crew. Here's a link to listen Live:
http://metro.phaylon.com:3926/listen.pls

_______________
"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

Dude get this up on

Dude get this up on 911podcasts, mail Dz or Sbg and they'll talk you through it. You'll need an ftp client etc or you can use megaupload.com for example and send them the link from that! I've grabbed it from google as a back up just in case.

veritas, Have you looked @ the CNN links yet?

CNN broke the 'wtc 7 has collapsed or is collapsing' over an hour before it was demolished.

Here's the link I'm referring to.

http://ia311543.us.archive.org/1/items/cnn200109111545-1626/V08537-12.mpg

It's also interesting to note that the cbs & fox links for this time are missing.

yes.. uploading now

yes.. uploading now

Is Google EVIL?

I think so. Google is EVIL! Really. I'm not kidding.

Either that, or there are so many people trying to download this that their servers can't handle it.

But, it is one of the battlefields. Use their own tools against them while you can.

They have pulled this video several times already. The link I used to download this just 20 minutes ago (183.5MB) is no longer valid.

Alex Jones is said to have an article up on this around 4:00 PM today. They were able to get it, too.

Amazing! Her video feed unexplainably disintegrates only 5 minutes before collapse.

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Alex Jones and the loose

Alex Jones and the loose change guys are filling in for Jack Blood and are talking about this right now;

Check it out, Network 1;
http://www.gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm

David Ray Griffin is apparently on later as well!

Bandwidth Overload or Good

Bandwidth Overload or Good Old Sabotage?
Capture you enemies apparatus and use it against them!

Philly 9/11 Truth
Temple University 9/11 Truth
www.PA911Visibility.com
www.PA911Truth.org

They likely used the DMCA to

They likely used the DMCA to get the video taken down for copyright infringement.

We need to get copies available from several other places. This is front page top story on PrisonPlanet, but the video is no longer available.

I've never seen this one

Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us

I think this is *big*

I think this is *big* because it makes it possible to make everyone aware of WTC 7 and all its anomalies.

"Go massive" with this, as one might say...

I'm just wondering why no one paid attention to this until now - 5 and a half years later.

I can only speak for myself...

You ask...

I'm just wondering why no one paid attention to this until now - 5 and a half years later.

Probably 18 months ago, I did not even know what WTC7 looked like, let alone that it's official name was "Salomon Brothers Building"...

I can honestly say, I would not have even noticed it, let alone any problems with the broadcast.

18 months later, I probably know the layout of the WTC more than many, having researched and seen if from so many angles, it is now instinctive.

Glad I spotted it though, props to Gangster and stallion4 for the help though.

Best wishes

Could I get some comments re this thread at DU?

Rep.... No time zone mistake at all...

I can definately say, down to a margin of error of 60 seconds that WTC7 was first reported collapsed "LIVE" on the BBC World at 5:00pm New York local time on 9/11.

If you see my post (a few above), you can verify it for yourself, will take some time, but I am 100% certain.

I have checked over and over, it's all there for anyone to verfiy or refute.

Best wishes

Plus...

The anchor in the BBC studio looks at a clock -- while he's talking to the Reporter who has Building 7 over her shoulder -- and says "it's been some 8 hours after the attack".

The first plane hit at 8:46 a.m. NYC time. That would put the filming of this BBC report near 5 p.m.. Building 7 fell down at 5:20.

_______________
"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

I think this is BIG

No matter the parsing of exact times, etc, the bottom line is that the reporter is reporting the collapse as having ALREADY happened while it is clearly in view. Then the guy in the studio is ALSO talking about it.

The reporter clearly reports thing she has heard but not confirmed (hospitalized emergency workers), but the collapse itself is NOT reported as unconfirmed.

Any story the BBC tries to concoct to cover for this will have very low credibility, especially in light of all the video and reports of imminent collapse from on-the-scene emergency personnel and others. See this clear CNN video, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjmqkjwnvQ

This is big.

BBC can try to argue that she's green-screened in front of that shot, but it sure doesn't look like it.

Amazing that something this big can come to light so long after the fact.

Congratulations to 911veritas and all others involved. Very impressive.

Jesus, Think of the Mentality

...of people who would vote it "down."
They are directly hostile to any evidence that threatens their complacency, no matter how irrefutable. They actively seek to suppress fantastically newsworthy items because they're politically incorrect, although strictly factual.
People are sick. Digg is really disturbing. It's proof perfect that people demand freakshow oddities and "human interest" above any information that might inspire reevaluation of basic mass-conscious assumptions.

It is buried

http://duggtrends.com/buried.aspx

The first digg story is on that page as buried. Second story was only popular for about 10 minutes before it got buried, but the video was already missing by that point.

Now totally removed????

It now seems that all vestiges of the video have been removed from Google. No explanation, i.e. violation of any policies, copyrights, etc. It doesn't even show up in a search, as it had before, and even though the video was unavailable for viewing.

I see no reason why Google would want to remove an extremely popular video, unless there were policy violations involved. This was never stated. So, one is left to wonder if they were ordered to do so.

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

They Decided the Best Thing to Do was Pull It

So they made that decision to Pull, and they Pulled.
Nothing untoward going on at all.

hehe... hehe

u so funny. hehe hehe.

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

BBC Video posted at CONCEN

There's a torrent of the BBC footage posted on Conspiracy Central...

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.html?info_hash=bd83725eb328a0f6e...

Thanks Culhavoc. Good to see you.

_______________
"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace

Another post of the file

ANOTHER LINK

it's up

it's up here:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/47ae2fd7-0a9f-4928-9d30-f53741139733/911Buildi...
thanks to Quaker Oats :-)

I'm still uploading to google vid too.. see how long it lasts!!!

Second thoughts

Like everyone here I have been amazed by this find. But, also like everyone here, I read John Albanese's point (above) that BBC might have jumped to conclusions. Maybe someone reported to them that Bldg. 7 was unstable and might come down. Maybe they said it fast, due to excitement. And maybe whoever heard it, heard it wrong. It could be that simple.

John also pointed out that the officials in charge were indeed predicting that Bldg. 7 was in danger of collapse. We've all read lots of eye-witness testimony saying that. That was why it got evacuated.

I am actually hoping someone can convince me again that this pre-reporting of its collapse is a huge clue. But John's considerations have me wondering.

Your thoughts?

i tend to agree

But the desk jokey and the reporter babe seem pretty damn sure that the building is toast.

Another thing is the desk jokey guy gives us the reason for the collapse (debris damage).

So someone told them about a collapse or 'potential collapse' and gave the reason for that collapse.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

won't change a thing

John could be right. It's an easy excuse to make. The BBC actually did screw up, no matter how you look at it. Was it innocent or was it not? I think it shows there was suspicious foreknowledge. I already assume that. But it won't convince anyone who hasn't been convinced so far . . .

Justice deferred is justice denied-MLK

Right

That's my point too, jcook. Think of it as a court of law. Would this evidence convict anyone? No. But it might sway the jury a little.

Code for myspace bulletins.

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BBC Reports World Trade Center Building 7 "Salomon Building" collapse before it even collapsed. Notice building 7 is still standing over her left shoulder. Click picture for video.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096&p=1

Learn more here:

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/260207building7.htm

I hope someone got these before the storm today.

I can verify that every one of these links worked this morning. It seems that the cnn clips were removed as a few hours ago.:-(

I have complete copies of the following:
1.0G Aug 31 23:37 V08515-16.mpg
1.0G Aug 31 17:43 V08515-32.mpg
1.0G Aug 31 18:13 V08546-02.mpg
1.0G Aug 31 16:26 V08546-06.mpg
1.0G Aug 31 08:17 V08566-20.mpg
1.0G Aug 30 12:42 V08571-04.mpg
1.0G Aug 31 11:10 V08571-32.mpg
1.0G Aug 31 15:26 V08591-08.mpg
1.0G Sep 1 01:11 V08591-16.mpg

If we can get the rest of these together I'd be happy to make and seed a torrent.

http://ia331302.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109110831-0912/V08546-02.mpg
http://ia331326.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109110912-0954/V08546-06.mpg
http://ia331321.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109110954-1036/V08546-10.mpg
http://ia311517.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109111036-1117/V08546-14.mpg
http://ia331315.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109111159-1241/V08546-22.mpg
http://ia311502.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109111241-1322/V08546-26.mpg
http://ia331337.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109111323-1404/V08546-30.mpg
http://ia331309.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109111404-1446/V08553-02.mpg
http://ia331329.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109111446-1528/V08553-06.mpg
http://ia301337.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109111528-1609/V08553-10.mpg
http://ia331316.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109111609-1651/V08553-14.mpg
http://ia331310.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109111651-1733/V08553-18.mpg
http://ia331332.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109111733-1814/V08553-22.mpg
http://ia331305.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109111814-1856/V08553-26.mpg
http://ia331314.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109111856-1938/V08553-30.mpg
http://ia331320.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109111919-2000/V08543-22.mpg
http://ia331332.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109111938-2019/V08576-02.mpg
http://ia331324.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109112000-2041/V08546-18.mpg
http://ia331315.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109112019-2101/V08576-06.mpg
http://ia331317.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109112101-2143/V08576-10.mpg
http://ia331328.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109112143-2224/V08576-14.mpg
http://ia331342.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109112224-2306/V08576-18.mpg
http://ia331343.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109112306-2348/V08576-22.mpg
http://ia331310.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109112348-0030/V08576-26.mpg
http://ia331308.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109120324-0405/V08576-30.mpg
http://ia331319.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109120939-1021/V08572-02.mpg
http://ia331310.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109121021-1102/V08572-06.mpg
http://ia331315.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109121102-1144/V08572-10.mpg
http://ia331337.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109121144-1226/V08572-14.mpg
http://ia331318.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109121226-1307/V08572-18.mpg
http://ia331343.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109121307-1349/V08572-22.mpg
http://ia311503.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109121349-1431/V08572-26.mpg
http://ia311537.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109121431-1512/V08572-30.mpg
http://ia331304.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109121512-1554/V08574-02.mpg
http://ia331305.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109121554-1636/V08574-06.mpg
http://ia331320.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109121636-1717/V08574-10.mpg
http://ia331335.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109121717-1759/V08574-14.mpg
http://ia331328.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109121759-1841/V08574-18.mpg
http://ia331331.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109121841-1922/V08574-22.mpg
http://ia331309.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109121923-2004/V08574-26.mpg
http://ia331305.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109122004-2046/V08574-30.mpg
http://ia331303.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109122046-2128/V08554-02.mpg
http://ia301327.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109122128-2209/V08554-06.mpg
http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109122209-2251/V08554-10.mpg
http://ia331329.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109122251-2333/V08554-14.mpg
http://ia311517.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109122333-0014/V08554-18.mpg
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http://ia331329.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109130056-0138/V08554-26.mpg
http://ia331338.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109130138-0219/V08554-30.mpg
http://ia331311.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109130753-0835/V08607-02.mpg
http://ia331339.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109130835-0916/V08607-06.mpg
http://ia331311.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109130916-0958/V08607-10.mpg
http://ia331311.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109130958-1040/V08607-14.mpg
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http://ia331311.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109131121-1203/V08607-22.mpg
http://ia331315.us.archive.org/3/items/nbc200109131203-1245/V08607-26.mpg
http://ia331321.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109131245-1326/V08607-30.mpg
http://ia331340.us.archive.org/1/items/nbc200109131326-1408/V08597-02.mpg
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http://ia311543.us.archive.org/2/items/nbc200109131655-1737/V08597-22.mpg
http://ia331321.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109131737-1818/V08597-26.mpg
http://ia311506.us.archive.org/0/items/nbc200109131818-1900/V08597-30.mpg
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http://ia331343.us.archive.org/1/items/abc200109110831-0912/V08546-05.mpg
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http://ia331320.us.archive.org/0/items/abc200109111118-1159/V08546-21.mpg
http://ia331328.us.archive.org/3/items/abc200109111159-1241/V08546-25.mpg
http://ia311502.us.archive.org/2/items/abc200109111241-1323/V08546-29.mpg
http://ia331308.us.archive.org/1/items/abc200109111323-1404/V08553-01.mpg
http://ia311503.us.archive.org/1/items/abc200109111404-1446/V08553-05.mpg
http://ia331306.us.archive.org/1/items/abc200109111446-1528/V08553-09.mpg
http://ia311507.us.archive.org/3/items/abc200109111528-1609/V08553-13.mpg
http://ia331335.us.archive.org/0/items/abc200109111609-1651/V08553-17.mpg
http://ia311502.us.archive.org/0/items/abc200109111733-1814/V08553-25.mpg
http://ia331312.us.archive.org/2/items/abc200109111814-1856/V08553-29.mpg
http://ia331331.us.archive.org/2/items/abc200109111856-1938/V08576-01.mpg
http://ia331311.us.archive.org/1/items/abc200109111919-2000/V08543-25.mpg
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http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/abc200109122004-2046/V08554-01.mpg
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http://ia331314.us.archive.org/1/items/cnn200109130926-1008/V08593-28.mpg
http://ia331308.us.archive.org/0/items/cnn200109131008-1049/V08593-32.mpg
http://ia331342.us.archive.org/3/items/cnn200109131049-1131/V08594-04.mpg
http://ia331302.us.archive.org/2/items/cnn200109131131-1213/V08594-08.mpg
http://ia331313.us.archive.org/2/items/cnn200109131213-1254/V08594-12.mpg
http://ia331305.us.archive.org/0/items/cnn200109131254-1336/V08594-16.mpg
http://ia331327.us.archive.org/2/items/cnn200109131336-1418/V08594-20.mpg
http://ia331337.us.archive.org/1/items/cnn200109131418-1500/V08594-24.mpg
http://ia331316.us.archive.org/0/items/cnn200109131500-1541/V08594-28.mpg
http://ia331338.us.archive.org/3/items/cnn200109131541-1623/V08594-32.mpg
http://ia301326.us.archive.org/2/items/cnn200109131623-1705/V08595-04.mpg
http://ia331317.us.archive.org/3/items/cnn200109131705-1746/V08595-07.mpg
http://ia331324.us.archive.org/3/items/cnn200109131746-1828/V08595-10.mpg
http://ia331335.us.archive.org/3/items/cnn200109131828-1910/V08595-13.mpg
http://ia331335.us.archive.org/3/items/cnn200109131910-1951/V08595-17.mpg
http://ia331313.us.archive.org/0/items/cnn200109131951-2033/V08595-21.mpg
http://ia331302.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109110831-0912/V08546-03.mpg
http://ia331306.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109110912-0954/V08546-07.mpg
http://ia311507.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109110954-1036/V08546-11.mpg
http://ia311507.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109111036-1117/V08546-15.mpg
http://ia331304.us.archive.org/0/items/cbs200109111117-1159/V08546-19.mpg
http://ia301327.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109111159-1241/V08546-23.mpg
http://ia331311.us.archive.org/0/items/cbs200109111241-1322/V08546-27.mpg
http://ia331338.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109111322-1404/V08546-31.mpg
http://ia311514.us.archive.org/0/items/cbs200109111404-1446/V08553-03.mpg
http://ia311507.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109111528-1609/V08553-11.mpg
http://ia311509.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109111609-1651/V08553-15.mpg
http://ia331308.us.archive.org/0/items/cbs200109111651-1733/V08553-19.mpg
http://ia331339.us.archive.org/0/items/cbs200109111733-1814/V08553-23.mpg
http://ia331337.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109111814-1856/V08553-27.mpg
http://ia301336.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109111856-1938/V08553-31.mpg
http://ia331328.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109111919-2000/V08543-23.mpg
http://ia331335.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109111938-2019/V08576-03.mpg
http://ia331303.us.archive.org/0/items/cbs200109112019-2101/V08576-07.mpg
http://ia331321.us.archive.org/0/items/cbs200109112101-2143/V08576-11.mpg
http://ia331302.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109112143-2224/V08576-15.mpg
http://ia331302.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109112224-2306/V08576-19.mpg
http://ia331313.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109112306-2348/V08576-23.mpg
http://ia331342.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109112348-0030/V08576-27.mpg
http://ia331330.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109120324-0405/V08576-31.mpg
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/3/items/cbs200109120939-1021/V08572-03.mpg
http://ia331343.us.archive.org/2/items/cbs200109121021-1102/V08572-07.mpg

The original list is from the conspiracy central forums.

-Justin Keogh

They are gone!

Hoo boy. Methinks sombody somewhere is sweatin' bullets and shittin' bricks.

A random sampling of the links you provided shows that they have been removed or, at the least, a directory listing is being denied.

This is true for all networks in your linked list. However, if you follow from the top level of any of the links, you will have access to full directory listings.

The network directories no longer exist.

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

They set permissions on the files.

Yep it's
"ERROR 403: Forbidden"
and not
"ERROR 404: Not Found."

I have a feeling they are already "in the wild".

They are gone!

I also have discovered that all these files have been removed TODAY. Is it just because millions have suddenly started downloading the source file for the BBC item and it overwhelmed the server?

Presumably, if that's the case; they should eventually reappear, or at least some explanation should be forthcoming for why these historical files have suddenly been taken offline.

If they don't resurface, I would start getting suspicious, given the damaging implications of the BBC footage - who knows what other dark secrets lurk in those files? I want to see those files now!

Let's watch this carefully.

This is not good

I had started to download the BBC mpgs mentioned near the top of this thread. The first is in progress downloading now, but the other 3 are now 403 forbidden.

A search for "title: Sept. 11" that produced 9 pages of 420 results now gives 35;

Earlier:
Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us

If you go to for instance BBC Sept. 13, 2001 11:17 am - 11:59 am (September 13, 2001) and click Previous video, you get this error:
Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us

We really should have downloaded the whole archive before hitting digg with it. I really hope these videos aren't gone forever.

BBC will use delay to cut distressing live images

As some people mentioned, one thing to consider is if BBC actually used a delay. According to BBC, this is common practice on live events. See:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/23/news/bbc.php

If we assume that the reporter is in front of a blue screen with a delayed live feed, the only way to determine this is to really carefully establish the time of the reporting.

Just my 5 cents.

don't think so

I really don't think that's a blue screen. Just my semi-pro opinion.

Not blue screen

I posted above a more detailed analysis but to suffice it to say, the lighting is consistent, there are no pixelization and composite artifacts and when she turns to look at the city the camera ZOOMS. That really is all that needs to be said to put the bluescreen notion to bed. It is real.

Confirm

The reporter emphaticly announces that she needs to confirm the number of injured firefighters.... but she doesn't care to confirm the validity that WTC 7 had collapsed to the ground... the first steel frame structure to ever collapse due to fire.... a building bigger than the largest building in 2/3 of the states in the US....

TURN AROUND!

also I thought the first three minutes of this broadcast were very telling.... about the state sponsored terrorism... then thy flipped it to bin Laden.... bin Laden is not state sponsored....

It's like they dangled the possibility of the US being involved... an Inside Job.... then they yanked it right back... like a psychological magic trick..... discrediting it as a possibility....

all before WTC 7 even collapsed!!!!
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Ignorance is NOT Bliss

Cheers, JJ; I always find

Cheers, JJ; I always find http://www.jonhs.net/ pulls through when all else fails....

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

But!

I thought I was always there for you?

Don't tell me there's another man..... I will find this johns.net
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Jealousy's a BITCH! ;-P

LOL!!! Impeachment.

LOL!!!

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

7/7... just a thought

Was that just Britain sticking it's head into the cookie jar so the US wouldn't have been the only one.

Were the big three (US, Britain, Russia) all suposed to pull their own event so they'd all have interest in keeping the secret....as well as each assisting in each others false flag terrorism?

We had quite a few on location in London on 7/7
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An interesting thought...but

An interesting thought...but reguarding Russia, I think this is more likely:

I read something a while back from Amsterdam that strongly implied Russia, China, France and Germany might have had this informal agreement to let the US, and it's mouth-peice Britain, go ahead with their little Middle-east adventure, with the expectation they would over extend themselves in a quagmire, bankrupt their ecomonies and destroy US military hegomony across the globe. The motive was theorized that they saw the simularities between what the Neo-cons were doing to expand their power and the Third Riech's power plays--this would be a way to defeat the giant without having to engage it, before it became a direct threat to G8 nations.

Also just a thought, but one I think Russia is more likey to be involved with.

I think I read that theory at From the Wilderness, someone investigating something in Holland, mid to late last year.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

I know Russia is making a

I know Russia is making a mint off this war.... the oil price alone has their government grinning from ear to ear

I heard that they have almost worked themselves completely out of debt.

What kind of threat is a Russia without debt?
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I'm Getting a Funny Feeling...

Infowars has been hacked to suppress this story.

www.infowars.com

The front page right now has items on the Moussaui trial and Ahmedinejad's letter to Bush. That's all REAL old news.
What's going on over there?

Tell me something...

...Look under the section called "TODAY ON THE
ALEX JONES SHOW"

Does it describe today's interview with Matt Dayton of PNACitizen?

The page loads just fine for me though, earlier today infowars and rense had some issues that were quickly resolved. I assumed that they were caused by a flurry of changes. But, that was hours ago.

Who's yer ISP? Spooknet?

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

No, I'm Really Getting Creeped

The PNACitz bit was up earlier. Now, I'm definitely getting a page from this summer. The touted guest is John Marcuso. It's got an ad on the left for Alex's L.A. conference and everything. This is indeed some spooky shit.

Are you sure yours is working right now?

yep...

... i even fired up the gawdawful ninnernet exploder (please don't tell anyone) to be sure that what i got was fresh dirt. it brung me the latest from today.

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Ah, great idea!

Okay, that one works. Why is my Firefox on the fritz?

i dunno...

...try:

http://www.computernerds.net/

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

paste this

paste this link:

rtsp://ia311515.us.archive.org:554/0/items/cbs200109111404-1446/V08553-03_256kb.mp4

into NETTRANSPORT

(adapt other links according the big list posted earlier!)

good luck sisters!

VLC save stream

OK, looks like they have only a few that work:

This one does streams ok. (41minutes 41 seconds)

rtsp://ia311515.us.archive.org:554/0/items/cbs200109111404-1446/V08553-03_256kb.mp4

NETTRANSPORT does NOT work.

However VLC http://www.videolan.org/ does it!
SAVE STREAM TO FILE seems to work too.

aaaargh GARBLE!!!

rtsp://ia311515.us.archive.org:554/0/items/cbs200109111404-1446/V08553-03_256kb.mp4

is only garble. My guess is that Archive.org ' s servers have been overwhelmed, and they tried to limit the bandwidth by allowing streaming ONLY, but fucked it up. I believe the whole shabang will be online again soon.

I want to compare what I remember seeing on the idiot-box.

I was watching BBC-world in Europe... it was 2pm or so, and I was shown "the second hit" while the lady was telling us that a cessna had hit the first tower.

NEEDED --

Can someone post pics or footage AFTER she comes back on the air. Is she in front of the same window? Is the building now gone?

This will be a response to debunkers who say it wasn't the same building.

Once that is shown, their only fallback is that it was a mistaken report, and that the language was misunderstood somewhere. I'm not sure how to address that.

It was an unfortunate term to say "press release" which of course there is no proof for. Already the clear evidence is muddied with ridicule about the government giving a press release about their treason. Don't say things you can't prove (for the umpteenth fucking time!).

People were talking about suspecting a "collapse" all afternoon. That's not the same as knowledge of a demolition. They were also told about a diesel fuel storage tank, hence concerns about an "explosion."

Seeing how they lost hundreds of firemen, a block away in two other "collapses" this is a legitimate fear and topic of discussion. Saying "no steel frame building ever collapsed" is meaningless to people who just had hundreds of their brothers decimated in the towers. They are going to be cautious and paranoid.

As of yet, no one has the name of anyone involved with explosives, wires, timers or anything like that. They act like Larry Silverstein's completely irrelevent comment is "proof." Not in a court of law, it ain't.

This is where the rubber meets the road. Do you want to show someone Danny Jowenko (sp?) a professional demolitions expert saying that WTC7 is definitely controlled demolition? Or do you want to say Larry Silverstein said "pull it!!!!!!!!!!" And have them look up what he actually meant was pull the firefighting operation. Which one maintains credibility?

You all need to realize that you have a credibility problem, and act accordingly.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

Quote: 1) How is the time

Quote:

1) How is the time established? On the video there is no clock and no announcement of the hour. (Not when they go through the top-of-the-hour routine). Please go through the process by which one obtains this video, step by step, and establishes the time.

2) Assuming it's 10 pm as you say. What gives you the impression it was BST (British Summer Time)?
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/bst.html

This is BBC World Service, not a national British feed. They are broadcast by satellite on a global scale and would never use BST but GMT (Greenwich Mean Time), also known as UTC (Universal Time, Coordinated).
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/bst.html

GMT/UTC never jumps for anyone's national idea of daylight savings time. Thus the time used by local clocks in Greenwich on 9/11/2001 would be BST or UTC+1.

New York on 9/11/2001 was on EDT (Eastern Daylight Time), not EST (Eastern Standard Time), as you indicate on the title you added. EDT is UTC -4.
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/edt.html

WTC 7 collapsed at 5:20 pm EDT. 10 pm GMT is 6 pm EDT.

That would mean that in the clip you have chosen, the BBC anchor is conveying the information about the collapse of the Salomon Brotheres Building (a.k.a. WTC 7) at 5:57 pm EDT or approximately 37 minutes after the event.

I think we need to investigate why the BBC World News was so slow on the ball.

3) Did the timezone/daylight savings problem not occur to you as a possible explanation? Why does the title you insert mention two timezones that are not relevant? (BST for the BBC World Service, EST for New York on 9/11/2001?)
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As the BBC guy clearly states around the suspected 5 pm mark of the video: "Its been about eight hours since the attacks started". No matter what the timezone, that would place it at the 5pm pre-wtc7 collapse mark. Could he have meant nine hours and made a mistake? I highly doubt it.

The reporter could have been filmed against a green/blue screen with some older footage being shown in the background, but it still doesnt explain the timing..

I do not go along with the "error" hypothesis

An attack that magnitude, so well planned, so big failures?

Here's my take: That news was planted deliberate too early.
So you have all media outlets 100% in your pocket, as you made them accomplices in the plot. They just could not report afterwards on that, as the official myth was full implemented, and this is also the reason WTC7 was barely mentioned anyway.

It took 5 and a half years for us to found out. That's horrible!

Great job, 911 Vertias. You are a hero.

So far have posted it to www.myleftwing.com, boomantribune.com. Send in news alerts with it to www.rawstory.com and www.crooksandliars.com

No results to report except some tinhat comments from the owner of myleftwing (has been clipped).

Great job, 911 Vertias. You are a hero.

peakdavid

Fwd: DEARLY BELOVED

FORWARD FROM ROSE KING:
bethetruth2@yahoo.com

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DEARLY BELOVED

March 1, 2007

Dearly beloved warriors and awakening mass mind of all Spiritual Beings sharing this human experience. Have you seen enough to finally awaken to take the empowerment of truth and now go forth to change your world? Are you willing to continue to live in a criminal society that will soon consume you? Do you ALL realize the greatest threats come from the heavens where mind you, something wicked still comes this way? We MUST see more light come from the pioneers like Professor James Mc Canney, Dr. Deagle, and John Moore who are revealing the information about Planet X and the impending Earth Changes. We MUST begin WORLD community CIVIL DEFENSE posturing RIGHT NOW, now tomorrow. While our enemies prepare their CIVIL DEFENSE systems for their peoples, we sleep. What happened to our 50’s style Civil Defense system???

Please hear this voice that loves you ALL and do what is right. Simply Prepare and use an open mind and open heart but most of all, follow your heart using the wise mind to lead. The mind can believe anything especially the fear stimuli. The Heart knows. Listen to it.

http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/

http://www.thelibertyman.com/_No_Need_For_Panic_/_no_need_for_panic_.html

http://www.nutrimedical.com/

http://donklephant.com/2005/12/01/the-gulfstream-slows-downtrouble-ahead

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1654803,00.html

http://skeptically.org/env/id1.html

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=159

OK, let’s focus on some immediate horizontal distractionary outer stimuli for a bit. We are seeing the mass mind awaken every day and for this OH GOD we are truly grateful. On the other hand, we also see the massive amounts of other types of light coming forth. Most of it far from the real deal issue coming inbound from the far side of the sun. Let us look at some of this and see what is happening.

In the controversy about the BBC and CNN jumping the gun on the dis-information programming of the mindset of the mass, we hear them refer to the SOLOMON BROTHERS building. What is it in this statement that we are missing? Solomon Brothers? Can you say MASONS? The story of the Master Builder Hiram Abiff, of SOLOMON’S TEMPLE IS CORE to Masonic lodgery rituals and rites. Masons are in effect, SOLOMON’S BROTHERS!!!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bbc_wtc7_videos.html

Sometimes they forget that their plan of a global empire of masonry is not necessarily accepted by the MOST HIGH. They forget that there are greater forces involved then they can obviously comprehend. One only wishes they would open their minds and hearts too. Remember, the lower grades of masonry are the base of the pyramidal structure and for the most part, they are true salt of the earth kind of fellows. It is at the top of the pyramid that things are out of control and because of the brotherly oaths and obligations, they can not stand up to each other rather, they HAVE to support the hierarchy guide like privates in the army even in the face of the fact of luciferism turned satanism is wrong and evil. Dam sad situation and this heart has tried over time to save the salt of the earth from eminent downfall and demise of the brotherhood which was originally meant to be a good thing for ALL Humanity.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

So as we know that the lodge was basically taken over by the luciferic aspect and this is what many of them call god, there is still the plan to actually try and pull off the Bacon plan for the new Atlantis. Kinda like good kid gone bad and no oversight to stop it. And they use the dates and rituals of the lower caste to promote the agenda. Funny how that spirit guides eh!

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Destiny-America-Manly-Hall/dp/089314388X/re...

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonic.htm

How nice also it to see the people take up the flags of light that come from here sometimes. All given to help you ALL. Those on the Eisenhower carrier got the message about a possible Gulf of Tonkin from here last year and they know this truth better then anyone. There was even a report of one of the carrier captains jumping ship as it passed through the canal. Any light on that should come forth if it is out there. Steve Quayle may have been the source for this report. But meanwhile, take a look at this:

http://www.rense.com/general75/topten.htm

One can only love it as the light shines on all possibilities to try to stop the madness. Remember the Pre-emptive Prevention Psychology, or PPP is how to do the best we can as an awakening and more controlling mass mind. It’s like prayer to help guide our futures. We give eternal thanks for the Truths that resonate in the hearts of the minds of good men and women. Here is the next plan forming and we must, not need, but MUST really promote this. Lets all have a giant block party!!!

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/759

What they do is use this coming time period for all the lower garbage initiations that scares all the rest into line to follow the lead cow. Typical ego based satanism and its blood letting and drinking practices. Those that practice this kind of behavior are truly reptilian in their nature. The acts of violence are abhorrent in the face of God. Once the light of God really hits this, you may not be surprised to see THEM finally for what evil they REALLY are. Get the movie!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_Rex

http://www.scifi.com/anonymousrex/about/

And do not forget to check the handy dandy Calendar for COMMON "ANNIVERSARY" DATES of choice. We see a lot of special dates coming up here so let each day gather more and more light and truth to shine on any possibilities of govt sponsored terrorism, and or a False Flag 9/11 Type Event. Pray for help and greater intervention to stop ANY possible evil that is planning to begin another false flag based, for no good reason, illegal war for the nazi/zionist/bankster/oil empire. We must channel all world resources into saving the necessary mind energy required to save the planet. Pray for extra love and light to enlighten and make more awares the guardians of our future on ALL of the dates on this calendar beginning with today, March 1, 2007:. WE ARE THE GUARDIANS OF OUR FUTURE!!!!

http://www.heart7.net/date/srac3.html

And how this got around quick is only the good work of God in the minds of people following the truth trail that resonates in our Hearts. Let’s address this Ides of March a little more. Here a little about the Ides of March:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/759

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html

http://community.middlebury.edu/~harris/cybele.html

My dear Hearts, this is good Light/Knowledge and one can use it if you choose to empower yourself. The real part of these lower messages are given for you to make your self more aware. Aware that yes, there is something wrong in America today and then, realizing that there is something that We as a People, a Specie of Spiritual Beings having this human experience together, better start seeing the wisdom in preparing as a world of People for what will affect the entire planet and her children. Do what is in your heart and listen there for you will always hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. This is your direct connection to a greater Power then most know but profess to understand. One day at a time, these things and greater will happen!

People will fight for what they believe in:
http://www.apfn.org/pdf/citizen.pdf

In this simple structure, we founded our humble beginnings. In this was a beginning for all God’s Children. With this we will survive knowing; by the power of Family and WORLD COMMUNITY will we ALL overcome the same evil that befalls us all. Truly, UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.

Onward Ho shall the Heart go and we give thanks to that which is Omnipotent, Omnipowerful, and always Omnipresent. There is no escape from that greater then we are Power that permeates ALL at EVERY dimensional LEVEL.

All Glory to the Most High,

ROSE KING