Time Zone Conversion Verified
In order to confirm or refute the claim that the BBC 24 video discussed the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened, I did a little research.
First, being an American who doesn't know much about UK time zones, I wanted to see what part of the United Kingdom BBC 24 actually broadcasts from. Answer: East London.
Second, given that London is in a different time zone from New York, and that daylight savings time may have effected both locations, or only one location, or neither location on 9/11, I wanted some definitive way to convert the timezones.
911Blogger poster jonmardavid provided the answer:
21:54:00 Tuesday September 11, 2007 in Europe/London converts to
16:54:00 Tuesday September 11, 2007 in America/New_York
BBC News 24 on the TV displays UK time, including the changes for BST so when the screen showed 21.54, then it was 16.54 in New York."
I ran the conversion myself at Timezoneconverter.com, and confirmed that jonmardavid is right. Here are the screenshots confirming that 21.54 London time on 9/11 was 4:54 p.m. New York time:
Here's what the website looks like:
This confirms the data I entered:
Here's the result:
16:54 on a 24-hour clock is, of course, 4:54 p.m.
Of course, WTC 7 did not actually collapse until at least 5:20 p.m. New York time.
Thanks to jonmardavid, Reprehensor and 911Veritas for their research.
It should be noted that the BBC 24 tape still needs to be authenticated (although the BBC's head of news, Richard Porter, did appear to indicate that it was authentic). Reprehensor is working on this angle.
The other BBC tape has also not yet been authenticated. Specifically, the tape was originally downloaded from the Internet Archive. Janice Matthews of 911Truth.org corresponded with the Internet Archive (as did I), and the Archive stated that it could not authenticate the tapes. Below are Janice's and my correspondence.
So whistleblowers within BBC (and CNN) or people who recorded the broadcasts live on 9/11 should authenticate these tapes.
First, please let me say thank you for the great work you're doing!
A certain video, found at your site, has been making its way around the Internet like wildfire today, finding itself the source of live radio discussions today, phone calls to the BBC and american media, and generally causing quite a stir, as well it should. 911Truth.org is very cautious in our reporting, however, and would like to verify as thoroughly as possible that this information is accurate. Therefore, we decided to go to the source and ask you directly about a couple of things. Thanks for your time in helping us with this.
The footage in question is at: http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2/items/bbc200109111654-1736/V08591-16.mpg
It is footage from the BBC World, broadcast between 4:54 and 5:36 pm EDT on 9/11/01, apparently being taped live in New York City. A woman correspondent is reporting with what appears to be live footage of the Manhattan skyline behind her, including WTC Building 7 just to her right on the screen (over her left shoulder). Yet she is reporting in her broadcast, at approximately 5pm, with WTC7 behind her, that WTC7 has collapsed. (Of course, WTC7 actually collapsed at 5:20pm that day.) Naturally, this is rather confusing! Our first two questions are, obviously,
1) was the timestamp on the video accurate,
2) is the footage behind her real or greenscreen,
3) can this footage be verified as from the BBC or could it have been created by someone else, and
4) how can we reach "Television Archive" who is reported as being the original conributor?
We have reviewed the .xml files associated with this video, which appear to verify the validity of source of the footage is indeed BBC:
BBC Sept. 11, 2001 4:54 pm - 5:36 pm
News from BBC TV was recorded by the Television Archive, a non-profit archive. Video available as a loan (stream) only.
Date: 2001-09-11 20:54:47 UTC
Air Time: 2001-09-11 16:54:47 EDT
2001-09-11 16:54:47 EDT
Television News; September 11 Terrorist Attacks; 911 Terrorist Attacks
[curator] email@example.com [/curator][date]20070218204203[/date][state]un-dark[/state]
I am not able to view the video via the links in this file, however, and the associated "program file" and "thumbnails" are not available. We notice that this information was updated, at least the line re. "curator" on 2/18/07. Why is that? It appears this file was last modified February 18, 07. Can you tell us whether "curator" was the only modification then?
The second .xml file shows:
Can you help us translate? For instance, what does "source=metadata" mean?
Finally, I have been unable to download or view the stream on your site, as it "hangs" after an hour or so of downloading... Can you help me see the original footage you have posted?
Thank you for your help. We are prepared to present this information to high-level officials and news media once we can verify; I hope you understand the significance of this and why we are so intent on tracking it down. Please feel free to call me if you would prefer that to email.
date Feb 26, 2007 6:48 PM
subject Re: BBC Footage verification question
Why is it that most (not all) of the BBC footage segments from that day do not have links to be able to view the streaming video? I'm not finding that to be the case with other networks on that day, nor for the BBC on other days...?
from Renata Ewing
to Janice Matthews
date Feb 27, 2007 11:48 AM
subject Re: BBC Footage verification question
Thank you for your email. The item you write about is not actually ready to be viewed. It is part of a test of a new collection on 9/11. It was not meant to be streamed or downloaded.
Since we are not the source of the footage, we are not able to verify the information contained in it.
The Television Archive is a division of the Internet Archive.
Here's my correspondence:
Dear Mr. Hickman,
We've corresponded previously about the Internet Archive. I have a quick question.
The following video files were apparently uploaded to, then removed from, the internet archive:
I'm wondering if someone credible uploaded them, or someone who is unknown to y'all.
I'm also wondering why the files were removed? If you are not at liberty to say, then I'll assume it was due to a national security letter.
Thanks for your help!
From: "Paul Forrest Hickman"
Thank you for contacting us about this. The files that were pulled
were not designed for download, and were not available for that
purpose. We recently found out that someone has downloaded them.
They were in streaming format for a reason. Until we can figure out
the programming problems, we have to take the information off-line.
Our TV Archive is a project that is currently for testing purposes
only. We have pulled the footage because it was not yet ready for
Paul Forrest Hickman