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Yesterday, he was posting on the Loose Change Forums...

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On the morning of sept 11th, I was there

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Date: 2007-04-12, 6:30AM EDT

I had no idea how that day would turn out. I was a tourist filming and photoing some of the more notable tourist attractions. I was in the area of the Pentagon that morning. Already having heard the news of the WTC I stopped to ponder the moment. I decided to shoot a few pics of the Pentagon, wondering about the commotion that must be going on inside, and shot a little video of the area and the local traffic. As I was taping the Pentagon was hit. I freaked out! I rewound my tape and viewed the aircraft as it disappeared behind the building and then went up in flames. I returned to my hotel to watch the news and try to relax after having seen what I saw. I heard the news about the flight that hit the Pentagon, I watched my tape again. I realized something was wrong. I left that second and drove home. The tape I have does not show what the news suggested had happened. I knew my life would be in danger with the tape I had. I have been sitting on it ever since. Afraid to disclose my secret. very fearful if I had been seen to have filmed the event. worried at 1st I would be accused of conspiring in the attack and doing target damage assessment, and then scared that I had evidence of the truth of that day. evidence of what really hit the Pentagon. I was waiting for the truth to come out. It never has. I have a digi 8mm handy cam tape. And on that tape I have a video shoot of a plane hitting the Pentagon. It is not flight 77, or doesnt look like it to me anyway.

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Im not sure what to make of

Im not sure what to make of this but I was hoping some of our more prominant members would contact
the writer and for the love of God, please please please....urge this person NOT to let the original leave his custody. Chain of custody is VITALY important if there is merit to this.

Definately worth following up on--cautiously

My first question is why he(think it was a he) hasn't uploaded it annonymously by now--just to get it out there. It would be easy enough to prove he had the original later.

Just saying--smells a bit like a honey pot...

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I agree. And should

I agree. And should probably have made that clearer in the post. But...I think of 911Blogger as a nexus of information and was only wishing to share my finding of the post, not offer it any sort of endorsement...yet.

I hope...

We see a lot of pictures, and videos from today's actions...

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Did anyone catch Rosie today?

It's the 11th, so I figured she might have made some noise on The View.

This just in: Rosie again discusses Building 7 on her video blog at -- entitled "411". It's toward the end. She points out how the melting point of steel is so much higher than the temperature of burning jet fuel. "Building 7 fell free fall into its own footprint, boom boom boom." she says. "Never before has this happened in the history of the world."

This guy got a free copy of 9/11 Mysteries!

I didn't appreciate the censorship...

that occurred yesterday on

I made a blog entry that said Dr. Judy Wood was to be the guest on Jim Fetzer's radio show yesterday, simply to inform anyone who was curious to listen, regardless of the views expressed and opinions they may put forth. This blog entry was deleted and never appeared. In fact my post also said something about "...if anyone wants to listen to the kookiness...". The entry was never posted here.

My entry never supported their views yet it was never posted, kind of makes you wonder what the agenda is here on 911Blogger. Apparently the "team members" decide what is appropriate for you to see and hear, instead of allowing you to decide for yourselves - sound at all familiar?

For the record the entry did not break any of the rules of 911Blogger, other than certain people here didnt want the message seen, based on their own personal opinions.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Sorry about that, we walk a

Sorry about that, we walk a very fine line here.

a "very fine line"?

What does that mean?
Are you saying censorship IS practiced here, against the mention of certain people??

Please explain.

Yes it is...

and I dont think its right.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

We've been 'round 'n' 'round the disinfo mulberry bush...

at 911blogger ad nauseum. Why in the world would you want to do it again? I've known the 911blogger staff for quite a while now and I trust their judgment on matters such as this. I advise you to do the same. If you can't, there are lots of other places for you to promote disinfo clowns like Judy Wood & Uncle Fetzer.

"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!"
-Dan Wallace


Apparently you can't read.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

No answer from Reprehensor

No answer from Reprehensor. OK, let me try an experiment:

Prof. James Fetzer has an excellent new book out. It is called, The 9-11 Conspiracy, The Scamming of America.

Spamfilters accused of censorship!

There are many definitions of censorship, and I guess mine is: An effort to suppress information pertaining to truths unfavorable to the censor.

It is true that WTC7 was classically imploded, and that this information is unfavorable to the MIC censors -- check. It is also true that Judy Wood apparently went off the deep end whilst wearing a 9/11 truth shirt, and that this information is in a way unfavorable to 911blogger -- but was there an effort to suppress it? Nope.

Now I don't know who agrees with the definition on which I base my argument, but I think we can all agree that filtering of information does not automatically constitute censorship. Even though it's true that millions of nonsensical emails diminish the signal to noise ratio of the internets daily, which is unfavorable to all of us, none of us would ever reject spamfilters in opposition to censorship. Right?

Personally, I've seen and heard enough from Jim & Judy, thank you. CattleRustler, just share the link in a comment -- it might be good for laughs, but it's not worth further extended discussion.

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you have completely missed the point

my post didnt advocate or dissuade anything one way or the other. My post literally said this:
Dr. Judy Wood as Jim Fetzer's guest

Dr. Judy Wood will be Jim Fetzer's guest today on his radio show on

In case anyone wants to tune in and hear the kookiness
or nearly verbatim to that. thats it. post deleted.

I dont think it should have been deleted. If thats the policy here I will be leaving. End of story.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Did I?

"CattleRustler, just share the link in a comment -- it might be good for laughs, but it's not worth further extended discussion."

I don't think anyone will censor a plug of this show in a comment, isn't that sufficient? Why would this require a dedicated blog entry?

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No its not sufficient

unless that is the policy, wherethen I can decide to remain here or not, and your reply again attempts to circle around my point.

Maybe I want it to be seen on the blogs page, and have a discussion about it afterward in my blog entry, and not hope someone sees it in an unrelated blog entry as a single off-topic post. The suggestion of which makes me wonder further about this place.

When I post "Prof. Steven Jones to be Alex Jones Guest" that goes right thru. And this is beginning to sound like I am a fetzer/wood/reynolds advocate, and a jones/ryan opponent - which I can assure you I am not. That is a much larger topic and a huge discussion, and again is not part of the point.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I think I understand where you're coming from

You rightfully say your entry should have passed according to the rules, or else the rules be changed to reflect reality -- winding ourselves up in an almost Kossian knot. Strictly abiding by the rules, you are perfectly entitled to your blog entry. However, strictly abiding by the rules is not always the way to go, and in this case I see good reason not to.

It would probably help to widen your perspective from "wtf, I was censored!" to include "why fight for Jim & Judy?". I know the latter is not your intention, but in effect it's what you do. This is not only about censorship, it is also about blatant disinfo. So weigh your response, accordingly.

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Censorship to that level should not exist here

Whether you like what they have to say, or not, they are part of the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement, and (unfortunately, imo) seem to have a fairly large following.

I'm not a big fan of either of them, but information about them should not be censored. Here, or anywhere else.

As for a "fine line" — you seem to paint a pretty broad stroke with that fine line.

It makes me wonder what else is being censored that should not be censored.

I made a post recently that has not shown up. It should be the policy of 911blogger that when a post is refused, the poster should be notified of that fact, with an explanation as to why.

At the very least, the post should show up under their blog space, even if it doesn't show up under the Blogs section.

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief Correspondent

"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box."

9/11 Truth is the Path to Peace

I agree

I am not trying to start trouble on your nice blog space here, but the censorship was highly ironic considering the fact that mostly everyone here is fighting for truth and justice, and for whats right. Censorship is not right, especially with something that broke no rules. I am a moderator on a very heavily traversed web forum (not 9/11 related) and had I deleted a post of a user, in the same circumstances etc, I would be taken to task by the forum admins.

Your rules (whether posted or implied among the team members etc) are your own and they can be as draconian or as democratic as you like, without answering to the users, I just want to know what the actual policies are here on, so I can make an educated decision to remain here or not.

Thanks, CR

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I beg to differ.

they are part of the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement, and seem to have a fairly large following.

No and no. They are as much part of this movement as the worm is part of the apple and their fairly large following is called Morgan & Nico -- in the spotlight, they might appear bigger than they are, but it's just an illusion.

So...why point our own spotlights at them, too?

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Explain why you think it's ignorant

so everyone can see an example of true ignorance.

Jim & Judy's so called science is quite obviously completely unsubstantiated. It literally is like claiming the moon was made out of green cheese. Would you say we should invest our energies into debating whether or not it is? Would dismissal of this reinforce your concerns about 911blogger? Are you aware of the incredible baselessness of Wood's claims?

If you are, that is cause for concern.

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NOT impossible

I think their "arguments" are HIGHLY improbable. (and maybe not even 'highly' in caps)

BUT, they are NOT impossible.

And for anyone to say otherwise is EXTREME ignorance.

(just like the people that claimed the Stealth bomber was "impossible" and "a fantasy" before it was proved to be true, and then admitted to, at which point we found out that it had been around for YEARS before it was thought, and now there is, logically, something more advanced that we don't know about now, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum — which was also true for the SR71, the U2, and others)

And there are WAY too many people that believe in what they say. I meet them everyday, in real life, and on the net.

Just like there are WAY too many people who are überParanoid NWO'ers, or who think "the Jews" are the ones behind 9/11, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

And, like all the others, I will defend to THEIR death their right to freedom of expression and speech.

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief Correspondent

"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box."

9/11 Truth is the Path to Peace

the stealth bomber example

the stealth bomber example doesn't apply here. And here's the difference. It is impossible for their theory to be correct, because of how the observed events went down that day, and the constraints on their theory, like the directed energy would have to have been directed from some location(s). They would still operate under the same laws of physics, which would force there to be observable effects.

You can say, its HIGHLY improbable that an operational directed energy weapon platform exists that can destroy skycrapers.

And you can also say, its impossible for that platform to have caused what was observed on 9/11/01.

There _were_ "observable effects"

That's what the people who believe in that theory state, that the observable effect was that the buildings collapsed, and that's what caused them to collapse. (paraphrased, because I don't know a lot about what they say, since I don't BELIEVE in that theory/those theories)

Like most people, you are confusing "probability" with "possibility". (and their negatives)

Your logic is not logical.

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief Correspondent

"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box."

9/11 Truth is the Path to Peace

What supreme Ignorance

It's no wonder the movement is where it is when people vote negatively for comments like mine.

What a joke.

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst & Correspondent

"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box."

9/11 Truth is the Path to Peace

Where shall one draw the line

between improbability and impossibility? That is the question.

Few things are strictly impossible. It is possible that WTC7s 83 steel columns coincidentally all failed at the same time to give the appearance of controlled demolition. It is possible that a million monkeys at a million keyboards will coincidentally reproduce the works of shakespeare. It is possible that Maxwell's demon might one day seem to appear -- It's just not bloody likely!

I hope these examples will make you see that it's questionable to infer a real possibility from mere theoretical non-impossibility. You should also consider the odds, and the odds for aforementioned examples are essentially zero. You could perform those experiments over and over again for a couple of billion years and stochastics says you'll still have no success. So let me ask you: Is it really extreme ignorance to confidently speak of impossibility -- or is it rather extreme ignorance to confidently expect miracles?

Look: Dr. Jenkins, unlike Dr. Wood, performed a theoretical analysis of the space-beams hypothesis, showing that the beam power necessary even surpasses total terrestrian output. Are you willing to believe there is some hidden extraterrestrial facility that provides more power than all terran powerplants combined, by a factor >5? For reference, look into the most powerful terran laser facility known, which, according to my crude calculations, puts out roughly 6 times terran mean power -- for a few billionths of a second.

Now multiply this capacity by a few billion and you should be able to keep it up for the 10s in which the towers were destroyed. Then put the damn thing into space.

Convinced yet?

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Show "okay, I'll explain." by Chander

Not unsubstantiated?

Are you kidding me? Here's your chance to present some substance. I'm all ears.

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Sorry, chum..

..but a person who says "I don't think we need to look at the calculations/math" (I'm paraphrasing) during a recorded interview when she KNOWS her credability is on thin ice, either is WAY out of touch with reality(casseia thinks she's mental) or deliberatly giving Truther science a bad name(more of my possition).

Can someone follow the money on Ms. Wood? Find out where she gets her funding--who pays her bills?

That might answer alot.

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What kind of an Idiot

would vote negative for what I said, basically saying they are "pro-censorship".

It's worthless people like that that are part of the problem with making the U.S. and the world less than what it should be, and the root cause of many of our problems.

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst & Correspondent

"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box."

9/11 Truth is the Path to Peace


In your blog post, you said;

"I'm interested in hearing the kookiness and having a laugh."

THAT is verbatim.

In my opinion, that is an open invitation to a flame thread. Plus, it violates the spirit, if not the letter of this rule, in the rules section;

"Post useful information and commentary, not ad-hominem attacks or insults."

That is why your entry didn't get approved, it was my call.

The regulars who visit here and post here have seen many threads on this site do down the toilet and become unmanageable because of divisive theories that bring out the worst in the users, on which ever side of the particular debate they are sitting on.

This blog is not designed for endless debates about theories which inevitably go on for pages.

In dz's words;

"This site is not a message board, nor should it be anyone's primary place of discussion. There are plenty of discussion forums out there for 9/11, and the comments here are not meant to serve as a replacement or substitute for such sites which are better built for ongoing discussions or debates."

My "agenda" was to keep the site manageable.

Reprehensor -

Very well said.

I suspected that the flame potential and the somewhat negative framing of the interview between Dr. Wood and Dr. Fetzer by CR were the reasons for not posting the blog.

I agree whole-heartedly with that decision.

911Blogger should not be a place where we go out of our way to pointlessly belittle our adversaries. I'm here to exchange information and ideas in a positive atmosphere with the promotion of 9/11 Truth and the ultimate goal of getting new investigations in mind.

We need to leave the low road to others. Flame wars are a waste of precious time and valuable resources.

Now, if the blog had been a straight-up analysis of the interview highlighting known inconsistencies with facts and/or science, then that would have been useful and greatly appreciated. Constant vigilance is required when dealing with disinformation and its purveyors.

When blogging here I always try to keep in mind that people new to 9/11 truth may be reading and what kind of impression I want to convey about this site, the movement and the very serious process of questioning the events of 9/11. I take great pride in 911Blogger and want to continue to be able to recommend this site to professionals as a serious resource supporting intellectual honesty and integrity, as I often do.

This is not to say that I am without humor and I am often sorely tempted to ridicule certain trolls and other agents of disinfo, especially those who seem to invite ridicule (RW with his bowling balls and popsicle sticks comes to mind), but this does not advance our common goals in seeking to expose the truth of 9/11 and restore our constitutional republic. We have to deal with enough distractions and diversions thrown our way without creating more ourselves.

I apologize if I've used a 12lb. sledge hammer when a 12oz. finish hammer would've done the job, but I feel very strongly about this.

Thanks for all your hard work, Reprehensor.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.


"911Blogger should not be a place where we go out of our way to pointlessly belittle our adversaries. "

But this is what I LIVE for! My life has no meaning, hoo!!!!

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My dear Col. Sparks -

Most of what you do when on troll patrol is simply pointing out their foolishness and inconsistencies in your uniquely charming way. This is a valuable service to us all and for that I thank you. It has to be done and I prefer to not do it myself.

I'm quite sure that your life has ample meaning away from 911Blogger and the internet in general.

CrossBall is labeled as humor and your parody is a welcome addition to so much of the unintentional self-parody put out by the twerps.

I look forward to a future occasion when we can all get together, let our hair down, drink and/or eat too much chocolate (dark for me, please) and get entirely too silly while lampooning various 9/11- related characters. (YT will tell you I can get pretty hysterical on road trips.)


The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Dr. van Sparks

the relentless keeper of the grove, the eternal nightmare of trolls, the ever vigilant sniper of silver bullets. She adamantly fights the disruptors so you don't have to!

I too look forward to the day where we can get together and celebrate victory. I shall take this opportunity to suggest we do so in SF -- I'm not a man of envy, but damnit, LeftWright, I'm in mad love with the city you live in :-)

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Thank you for clairifying this decision...

... which I, reluctantly, must support.

Though it does make me wonder where "Crossball" falls in that continum...

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Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo

Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera have a huge angry fight

Stupid Right Wing theater

Here's the next minute of their "big fight" that nobody seems to post - it's all B.S for ratings.

When I heard Bill Maher and Ann Coulter were friends, it just became more obvious that all this left - right division on the tube is Distraction Theater, with a wink and a nod. Today's kerfluffle is: (choose one): Left-Right. Dem-GOP. Black-White. Rich-Poor. Citizen-Alien. Gay-Straight. They don't really believe in anything except payday.

you forgot the main one...

"You're either with us, or you are with the 'terr-ists'"
-gwb, after the events of 9/11

aka: good vs. evil simplification

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB


Which is which? It gets odd if a ter'rist says this.

Coulter and Maher

are only "friends", because they either had a sexual relationship, or Maher would like to have one with her. If she wasn't so cute, I doubt very much if they would be "friends". And I doubt very much if there is much more to it than that. (Bill has obvious, well-known, and self-admitted "issues" with "female relationships", and I don't mean that in a good way — it's (obviously) one of his major failings)

And I have to admit that if I was "doing her", I'd probably be pretty friendly toward her, too, even though she disgusts me politically. (it's a "guy thing" — I would hope that wouldn't be the case, personally, and I just might have the strength of will to resist, but I try to be realistic, as well, so, who knows....)

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief Correspondent

"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box."

9/11 Truth is the Path to Peace


I swear there is Halloween masks of that woman.

I think I've seen one...

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Ann Coulter is as appealing as a blow-up doll covered with frost.

I've always wondered, how does he talk without lips?

And how can he be so built and yet be so unhealthy he doesn't have any skin on his face?

Or is that a mask?

And, I'll point out Mr. Skeletor is much healthier looking than our Ann--at least from the neck down.

Just me being silly...;-)

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How indeed?

The lips and skin are there, just... invisible or something, so he can make the "B" sound.

OK, granted there are a few subtle differences in how the two look. It's all in fun, I certainly wouldn't want to offend her. Besides, there are many other differences that we could point out, like Skeletor's comparitively progressive stance on sexuality.

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What is his stance on sexuality?

I mean, I can he is not afraid to show off bones, but beyond that?

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I think it's the flaming

I think it's the flaming limp wrist--he's man enough not to be afraid if the He-gang call him gay.:-)

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She's starting to show her age

And she is WAY too thin now, which is probably due to some sort of an eating disorder, imo.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that, but, at one time, she was extremely beautiful, in a model/actress sense. (face and body, head to toe) I used to have a thing for her until I realized what a psychopath she is. No matter how cute, pretty, or beautiful she is/was, she has a very ugly soul. (mostly by her own choice)

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief Correspondent

"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box."

9/11 Truth is the Path to Peace

I saw this one yesterday

I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I think our old friend Billy O is loosing it. It's time for the rubber room Billy. Someone should slip him some valium. Staged or not, the man is out of control.

Staged, Theater, or otherwise

B.O. obviously has a sociopathic nature. That has become increasingly clear over the years. As people have pointed out with some of his early work, he has seriously degraded to self-catastrophic levels. At this rate, he will probably self-immolate soon. Which will be sad, in a human sense, and yet very much deserved. Pre-good riddance.

Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief Correspondent

"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box."

9/11 Truth is the Path to Peace


Is the 11th day of the month so you know what that means? TAKE ACTION. I don't care if you go alone do it! Lead by example.

"We are going to keep up this fight till the end, till the very end... They took it from the top to the bottom. We're gonna take it from the bottom to the top!" -Dan Wallace

I don't suppose anybody

I don't suppose anybody would know were I could locate an ".iso" file of prof. Jones' february 1 powerpoint lecture at uvsc? I've been burning dvds to give away (about 50 so far) ,mostly 911 mysteries and some terrorstorm ,freedom to fascism, etc but having some difficulty with the uvsc lecture and "improbable collapse" , both of which are very powerful presentations. If someone can point me in the right direction it would be very much appreciated.
"Hope doesn't come from calculating whether the good news is winning out over the bad. It's simply a choice to take action."
- Anna Lappe

see my post below, which didn't go where it should've

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High Quality DivX available on Torrent...


This is a presentation from February 1st at UVSC and it seems like the final production. The fourcc is DX50 and it's MPG4 DVD player compatible.

Filesize.....: 696.8 MB
Runtime......: 01:48:29
Video Codec..: DivX5 (DX50)
Video Bitrate: 825 kb/s
Audio Codec..: MP3
Audio Bitrate: 64 kb/s
Frame Size...: 576x432

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Hope this helps a bit...

Best wishes

Thank you so much for the

Thank you so much for the link you are a gentleman and a scholar sir.

Just came across this Rosie poll @ AOL

I don't know if this one has already been posted over here.

It's been up for about 2 weeks and it seems a lot of people think Rosie went over the line with her views.

I was reading my local

I was reading my local newspaper yesterday during break time at work, and came across a silly little op-ed piece by Pill O'Reilly lambasting Rosie for speaking out about her "opinion" of 9/11 being an inside job. It was so unbelievably weak I had to laugh. He basically just said that she "crossed the line" and that media liberals who have done that in the past have paid for it with lost ratings. Maybe someone should remind O'Reilly that it is his ratings that are falling, not the other way around. They try to make it look like we are just a little fringe group of kooks. Not so. Our numbers are growing and will continue to grow, while the controlled clowns in the mainstream continue to lose what little credibility they had left. And so it should be.

This is my new 9/11 video - "Songs on the Death of America."

well done

sad but true.

your video

Excellent - brilliant juxtaposition.
Thank you for such a unique and artful perspective.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke, 1729 - 1797

And the O'Reilly poll is

And the O'Reilly poll is still running, 59% yes, 41% no total votes sofar 50.000 , on whether Charlie Sheen will hurt his career narrating Loose Change..

I have a Hi-Res AVI that can

I have a Hi-Res AVI that can be converted to a DVD image, I used it to upload to Google Video when it first came out.

I remember when you can search "BYU Jones" in google video and it was the only video to come up besides Tucker's interview a few weeks before.

email me if you want it.

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Are you...

Participating in an Eleventh Of Every Month Action today? We are at a time in history where we can NO LONGER afford to "let someone else take care of it." If you "have no faith that the Movement is going anywhere", then why don't you help out to make sure it DOES? Personally, I'm tired of members of this movement sitting on the sidelines, critiquing the actions of those that are active.. Remember, you are capable of more than you realize. You just have to start doing it.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I hear ya...

I will go post the Rosie poster. Our community 9/11 meeting is tomorrow night. Yes, I should go scream at the hordes, to wake them up, but I am losing hope after so many false "ups" since the BBC WTC7 incident.

Seems like no one really cares, ya know....


Today to 3-4 years ago. When the media COMPLETELY ignored us as opposed to now where they actually acknowledge our existence by attacking us. We are fighting a system that has had 50 years to flourish. It is not going to change over night.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton


don't judge the reality of your world by the corporate press coverage it gets. Privately, many millions are awake to the lies of 9/11. Publicly, there is still much fear. But privately people know. They know.


Charlie Sheen coming out on 9-11 Truth just a year ago was considered career suicide, and he still thrives today. I can't see Rosie's action as self-promotion - it's still a big risk for those that live and die by an audience to take.

For me, in the last two years I've gone from conspiracy nut pariah amongst my circle of friends to being one of the majority who either believe or at least listen intently.

We need more celebrity types to step up while we do our part locally. Some here have said don't depend on them, but in this country, they are the cultural leaders our politicians use to be. They have great sway.

Meanwhile, I'm wearing my "Investigate 9-11" t shirt to the PTA meeting.

As we found out...

In the last two weeks, just one celebrity can make the television talk. Imagine what would happen if Celebrities For 9/11 Truth was launched that had Charlie Sheen, Rosie O'Donnell, James Brolin, Sean Penn, Richard Dreyfuss, Harry Belafonte, Janeane Garafolo, Ed Asner, and a few others, and they all came out with a public statement that endorsed the families call for a new investigation. I'd like to see how the media handled that.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

You just have to start doing it.

I agree with you completely Jon. On 11/22/63 the music died in America. People back then knew it was a cover-up but no one did anything about it. 9/11 truth is our last best chance to take our Country back. Lets not blow it. I don't think we will get another chance. This means that EVERY true American gets off his ass and fights back. No more excuses. Just do it!

Is that...

The day Richie Valens, the Big Bopper, and Buddy Holly died?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton


9/11 is the only issue that will ever get people worked up enough to demand real change. Protesting the Iraq war is nice, but all it will do is that the troops will come home and things will carry on as before. We really need to win this, because we will never get another chance like it.

Some quotes for you

I hope they'll help you find some hope and inspiration within. Sometimes, it's just a matter of perspective -- or rather, it is most of the time. Have some faith in your fellow humans.

"Treat a man as he is and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he can and should be, and he will become as he can and should be." --Goethe

"No man treats a motor car as foolishly as he treats another human being. When the car will not go, he does not attribute its annoying behavior to sin, he does not say, 'You are a wicked motorcar, and I shall not give you any more petrol until you go.' He attempts to find out what is wrong and set it right." --Bertrand Russell

"All the darkness in the world can not extinguish the light of a single candle" --Francis of Assisi

"You have to be the change you want to see in the world" --Gandhi


interns < internets

Have you handed out a 9-11 DVD today?

Have you seen an empty police car?
Fill it up with a 9-11 dvd on the windshield.
Have you seen a firemen or medic today?
Give him a 9-11 DVD.
Doctors, lawyers, strangers burn 100 9-11 dvd's
print out some 911 websites and pass them out.

I dropped off 6 V.I.P. Bundles at Fire Dept last weekend

Each V.I.P. Bundle cntains 6 different films on 5 discs.

Our group gave out 8 bundles to reporters a few weeks ago at a Peace/anti b. Library rally here in Dallas.

I am now preparing another batch of about 400 disc for distribution at two different screenings of LC2E. One in Dallas with Jim Marrs speaking, the other in Bedford -a suburb of D-FW.

Anyone in North Texas? Watch for details.

you're exaggerating...

"kind of makes you wonder what the agenda is here on 911Blogger."

Uh...don't you think that's a little over-reaching of a presumption? If it's not completely white, it must be completely black, right? Settle down, friend! I'm sure there's an explaination that's not quite diabolical here.

Yes, I knew Ann Coulter and Bill Maher were friends too. On his very last episode of "Politically Incorrect" he had her on as one of the guests and he stated toward the end of the show that "it's perfectly possible to be wonderful friends with a fascist" (paraphrasing). Uh, yeah...but only if you're a fascist yourself. I just don't trust the man. Makes me sick that he guest starred on my favorite show, Roseanne! hehehe

The problem with people such as Bill Maher

is that the only real goal of his commentary is keeping him employed and on the air. If he were really the progressive voice he pretends to be, he wouldn't associate with a fascist tart like Coulter. But one gets the feeling politics is just show business to Maher and friends.

It's like the way professional athletes from opposing teams go out for drinks after the game. It makes it seem like they don't really care if they win or lose, as long as the paycheck is there. I look at Maher that way. He'd go out for drinks with Coulter or O'Reilly, and defend his actions with some stupid libertarian sentiment.

At some point, befriending those people is supporting the ideas they represent. At some point, you have to act like it really, really matters who wins and who loses. Because it does.

the eleventh of every month

and every day in between.

Just thought I would pass along my recent tactics in hopes of inspiring others to do the same. I've been on a road trip for the past week. Many motels now feature a computer in their lobby for guests to use. It's simple to make the browser (usually Internet Explorer–ughh) open with 911blogger as the home page. Management probably changed it soon after, but hopefully many folks got to see it.

I've posted here before re: my usual response to waiters or cashiers when they ask "Will there be anything else?" Huge opportunity here. These days, I reply with "I would like for you to support the 9/11 victims' families in demanding a new investigation". Sometimes I can't help but say "Dick Cheney's head on a stick".

Come on good people!!! Let's bust this thing wide open!

They're rolling out the

They're rolling out the 911Truth=Nazis schtick again, this time aimed at Rosie:

And this "dog and pony" show is getting Jenny a bit cranky:

>>> At 11 April, 2007 10:50, Col. Jenny Sparks said...

This is a message to the "engineer", not the "oil rags":

"Holocaust denial is more connected to 9/11 denial than Operations Northwood is connected to 9/11."

Tut, tut, Jimbo--you should know better by now. But you're on a schedule, aren't you? Distract and smear 911activism by hook or by crook.

See, I KNOW you KNOW this is a lie. We both know Holocaust deniers are so few and far between they almost need to be invented whole clothe. For instance, "Eric" what's his face, was a plant--by who exactly is unknown. But he came out of nowhere, got himself into the 911Arizona Con. by sounding vaguely reasonable, even when demoted buzzed around like a busy bee at the event(people who actually have experience at this sort of thing are much more mellow in their demenor(Jones, Tarpley)--they get little enough rest as it is on their circuit)--and, come to find out, his alledged "book" is a cut/paste plaguerized mess. Rush job much?

Now, Jimbo, you're clever enough to know that's a plant. But you pimped it anyway because you HAVE to stay on message--Holocaust denial=911Truth. And not for your fan base--they'll swallow anything--but to other people who come by this site looking for info.

And you're so invested in this meme that even when the rare one pops up as a debunk, you have to rationalize allowing their presence.

Yeah, you're a right peice of work. I hope it's all worth it. You know, SOMEONE should counter your Holocaust denial "dog and pony show" with a distraction of their own. Hmmm.

So, WAS the bait tasty?

Be seeing you...when you least expect it.

So, the 911Truth=Holocaust denial still has some legs. I'll share a tactic that a guy in my local group suggested whenever anyone wants to conflate the H. Denial with 911Truth: LOUDLY start discussing the actual historical Nazi conections with the Bush dynasty and Prescott's war profiteering in WWII.

Be relentless. Have no mercy. Do not stop--at least until the debunk backs off. And if they complain about what you're doing is a distraction from their "debate", point out it's payback for their "Holocaust distraction dog and pony show"--and keep at it.

A HIGH percentage of debunks are neo-con sympathetic conservatives--Paddy and Jimbo of Screw Loose being examples. Make them explain why they support people who inherited wealth made off the Nazi war machine.

Then tell them to "have a nice day".

Jenny's such a bastard...

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Getting some response here


I kicked the ASS!
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I have one nay sayer that refuses to go away... no big deal but he is trying to attack Steven Jones. .... too funny

Why do people think that nuclear physicists have no grasp of the basic principals??? want to be a nuclear physicist?...... OK... just move past "Go" and collect your $200!
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Funny excuses are racking up

JJJames wrote:
"LOL.. you really are too much man.
Are you saying that the aluminum from the plane is what caused the remnants of a thermite reaction? And you are calling my expertise into question?
You are unreal. Do you have any idea what thermite is? come on! I'll be back when S.Jones releases his report. Too freaking funny."

this is his reply

/////Iron oxide is typically in powdered form wherever there is iron and steel.

That leaves the aluminum. It is ENTIRELY possible that under such extremely energetic collisions, some of the aluminum in the aircraft skin could have become powdered.

The collision of the two extremely massive bodies could have created and thrown enough powder metals and oxidized metals to create a thermite reaction.////

Together in Truth!

they are so grasping, lol.

they are so grasping, lol.

Oh My God

"It is ENTIRELY possible that under such extremely energetic collisions, some of the aluminum in the aircraft skin could have become powdered."

Talk about reaching...

Is this person arguing this as the reason it looked like a controled demolition? Or to explain the explosions without CD?

I would look, but I fear I'm going to see a trainwreck of logic...

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There was a concert last night at New England Conservatory in Boston which included a piece I wrote incorporating 9/11 truth. There's a lot more to it than this, but in a nutshell, two string quartets, trumpet, and narrator, and the narrator said equivalents to "9/11 was an inside job" in 12 languages throughout the piece :-) Hoping to get more performances, especially in the area.

No one was pissed off at me after, in fact, there were a lot of positive comments. It's interesting that 9/11 truth is actually rather accepted, if only passively, in reality by real people. On the other hand, anywhere in the media it's nothing short of treason.

New Victim's Family Supports

New Victim's Family Supports Search For 9/11 Truth
Parents of United Airlines 175 flight attendant Alicia Titus on quest to find out what really happened on September 11
A new 9/11 victim's family have gone public on their doubts about the official story and have firmly placed their support behind the efforts of the 9/11 Truth Movement to search for the truth of what really happened on September 11, belying a common slur on behalf of the establishment press that questioning the government's version of the attacks is somehow insulting to the victims.

The family concerned are John and Bev Titus, parents of Alicia Titus, who was a flight attendant on United Flight 175, the plane that crashed into the WTC south tower on September 11, 2001. John and Bev have since devoted their time to activism and have set up a fund for their daughter called The Alicia Titus Memorial, the proceeds from which go to supporting the peace movement.

They were in attendance at a presentation given by 9/11 hero and truth crusader William Rodriquez at Michigan State University and Rodriquez had a chance to speak with them after the event.

Asked if they supported Rodriguez's efforts to bring out the truth behind 9/11, John and Bev replied, "absolutely," "It will be our lifelong quest to find the truth about September 11 and the real story behind it because we know that what we've been given is only a glimpse of it and distortions of it and my daughter deserves better than that."

"There's still no answers to so many questions that we have that have not been given the truth, and we're going to continue to search and support people that are out there asking the same kinds of questions and demanding the truth," said Bev Titus.

"We want to thank Mr. Rodriguez for everything he's doing to bring out the truth because it's very important to us," concluded John Titus.

Bev and John Titus should be commended for seeking the truth about why they lost their daughter and their words held up as an example of how asking questions about 9/11 is not hurtful or insulting to the victims and is in fact a genuine effort to bring justice to those that were responsible for their deaths.

I was brainstorming with the folks at 911truthUAlbany

last night and came up with and idea. I plan to take an ad out in our local rag,the times union.It goes something like this:

Attn: CSI/Law and Order buffs
Think you're a super slueth?
Challenge yourself to investigate
the crimes of September 11th. Evidence and testimony contrary to the official story is out there.
Investigate and draw your own conlusion.
Personally I've discovered we the people have been lied to......

any feedback greatly appreciated.I encourage all to do the same.

CSI message board

I suspect they will purge 9/11 stuff, but it might be fun to try:


And while I'm at it

Here is where you can post ideas for Discovery's Mythbusters show. Although my dream is that they might do an episode in which full-scale Towers and a Pentagon replica had real remote-controlled jumbo jets crashed into them in order to see what those events SHOULD look like on video, I would settle for an episode in which they try to use cellphones on airplanes. (Yes, yes, they did an episode on cellphones, but it was ONLY about whether they interfere with instruments.)

9/11 press for truth

I see one of the Norwegian tv-channels (TV2) is showing 9/11 Press for Truth today.. they shown it 1 time before.

Hilarious, this is how it’s done.



Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

I just got a HUGE clue!

Together in Truth!



Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I couldnt create enough

I couldnt create enough identities to give this number of votes up I feel it deserves...Mad Props!

hmmm -

Any idea where this is or how long it stayed up?

Someone appears to be quite upset about something.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

It's are confusing people,

It's confusing people, they'll be like: " Yeah, I already knew that!??"

Global Warming Bandwagon To Reach Fever Pitch On 7/7/7...

"Live 8 Style concerts will once again see every attention seeking celebrity come out of the woodwork to lecture on something they know little or nothing about", writes Steve Watson over on infowars/

Celebrities attract attention:

Personally, I think the man-made global warming theory is a load of bollocks, and have done since I first heard of the idea. BUT, since these events will take place in New Jersey, London, and other cities across the globe -- it's a pretty good opportunity to get the message across (with them being televised and all). Get the banners ready. Maybe at the London event someone might have a banner that reads "This time 2 years ago, the British Government killed 52 people".

...Just a thought.

Yup, I totally agree.

It's a good audience, presumably most people there are concerned for the state of affairs in the world. Take any crowd you can get, and exercise your free speach.

Talking about security cameras on the streets

anyone want to guess what 6 cameras cost?


you have to be kidding me!!! and they say it's well worth it??

help us all!
Together in Truth!

over $83,000 each

Now tell me someone ISN'T making an obsene profit off of that...

I have a hard time believing the hardware is much more than a couple of large, through we have to keep in mind they would be more weather proofed.

Still, it's not like they have film in them--they just connect to a feed that downloads images--or record on vcr, whatever they're doing.

Where did you see this? And what company is selling them?

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Heard it on the News last night

Peoria, Illinois... obsene profit?! probably only 50 to 70G per camera..... considering the area that they would be broadcasting from could easily reach the Police station via Wifi

Speaking of Peoria

William Rodriguez is going to be giving a presentation here on the 22nd!
Going to be monumental!

I posted an event posting about it like 6 hours ago??? dz?
Haven't seen it posted yet
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text-message-chain the truth on 9/11

I just had a thought,

There are many ways to reach people with the truth on 9/11,

I want to know if any of you have ever considered this one, it's commonly used in Scandinavia, I am talking about the sms-chain, or here it would be the text-message-chain,
basicly, we could agree on a short informing message and then you just tell the receiver to send it on to everyone they know. If the message is powerful enough, it could go viral and maybe even end up on Bill O'Reilly's cell phone one day...

Results of O'Lielly's Charlie Sheen "poll";jsessionid=54438DAA5A3CBA2E4A3526...

Q: Do you think actor Charlie Sheen will hurt his career by narrating a 9/11 conspiracy film?

Answer Percent

Total Votes: 47720*

Not really the Landslide BO was expecting, I would bet.....

No, not considering it's his

No, not considering it's his own forum. It seems he's been very annoyed that people not his regular viewers have voted. You know, guys like me, currently sippin' on some Kool Aid...
Well, the no spin master can just spin that one, can't he? The yes voters agree with Bill, the no-voters believe liberal-leftie types will love Sheen even more, but both yes and no voters are probably Billo-fans!

So I got a poll question for Billo: Have Bill O'Reilly stopped lying on his show? Yes or no?

The Global Warming Jihad

The Global Warming Jihad

Butler Shaffer
Thursday April 12, 2007

In my college days, I was introduced to a book, written in 1841 by Charles Mackay. Titled Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, it remains a worthwhile chronicle – at least through the mid-nineteenth century – of some of the consequences of mankind’s periodic collapses into mass-mindedness. If Mackay was around today, he would be able to devote a chapter to the emergence of the latest secular religion: environmentalism.

It is a common mistake for people to assume that religious faith and fervor are qualities to be found only within institutionally-structured churches with formal doctrines and rituals. They are to be found, in varying degrees, within all belief systems, be they secular or theistic in nature. The polar opposite philosophies of Marxism and Ayn Rand’s Objectivism – both of which openly condemned traditional religion – are, themselves, grounded in a faith in various central propositions. True-believers of these doctrines who voiced doubt as to any of the underlying premises, have been subjected to purges as enthusiastically conducted as medieval trials for heresy.


Globalist Tag Team Doubles

Globalist Tag Team Doubles Up on Global Warming
Kurt Nimmo
Wednesday April 11th 2007, 7:55 am

Have any doubt our “representatives” are on the same page? Well, consider the “smackdown” between former House speaker Newt Gingrich and Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts. During a Senate hearing room debate over “global warming,” the “conservative” Gingrich told the “liberal” Kerry he is all for “green conservatism,” in other words Gingrich has accepted the latest globalist plan to enslave billions of people—for their own good, of course.

Regardless of what you think about “global warming” or “greenhouse gas emissions,” the fact remains our rulers plan to exploit the situation for their own purposes. According to the Boston Globe, “the debate was proof of the emerging political consensus that global warming is for real, it also showed that profound disagreements remain over how to tackle the problem. In his remarks, Gingrich proposed giving polluters tax incentives to reduce their carbon emissions voluntarily, an approach Kerry derided as inadequate.”

In other words, our rulers and their political servants will keep up appearances, they will continue to kick around the old deflated “left versus right” paradigm. In fact, the “plan” to address “global warming” has nothing to do with corporations reducing “carbon emissions voluntarily.” It has everything to do with inculcating the public to accept more government control over their lives, from what electric light bulb to use to what car to drive, or not drive, as a “carbon tax” may make driving untenable for millions.

All of this and more will be enforced, naturally. In fact, “global warming” will eclipse the threat of “terrorism,” the latter a demonstrated farce cooked up as a control mechanism. “Sponsored by Senator Chuck Hagel—a Republican Nebraska senator—and Senator Richard J. Durbin, the Illinois Democrat, [a] bill to make Global Warming a national security issue arrives in an era when other international bodies are taking steps to designate global warming as a high international priority,” reports the Canada Free Press. “First the new religion of the 21st century, then the moral issue of our times, Global Warming is now eclipsing international terrorism by making that subject politically incorrect.”


Thomas Van Essen, New York City fire commissioner


MOUNTAINSIDE: NYC fire commissioner during 9-11 to speak May 11

Dan Rosenblum

MOUNTAINSIDE -- Thomas Van Essen, New York City fire commissioner during the September 11 attacks, will address the Two Hundred Club of Union County May 11 at the group's 38th annual luncheon.

The group, which honors police officers and fire fighters who perform at great personal risk, estimates that more than 400 Union County business leaders will be at the event.

Von Essen was appointed by Mayor Rudolph Giuliani in 1996 to oversee the city's fire department. After September 11, he directed rescue and recovery operations. He now works with Giuliani Partners where he works with businesses and industries to address management strategies.

The luncheon will begin 11:30 a.m. May 11 at L'Affaire on 1099 Route 22 East. For tickets, call the club headquarters at (908) 322-2422.

May 11... hmm

I'm gonna send this to folks in NJ

I used to live in Mountainside

The Eleventh Day of Every Month


Glen Beck just said that last night on FOX someone from the Black Panthers called Michelle Malkin a "Prostitute"

I'm guessing that he was refering to her whoring herself out to the government line... to the man

I want to see that!!
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my respect for the new black panthers just went up a notch. though i respect prostitutes much more than i respect Michelle Malkin, at least they know how to be honest and admit who/what they work for.

Johnny Depp and Mel Gibson....

....are down with 9/11 Truth, according to a caller into Jack Blood's show...

Jack laughed, said "you outed Johnny Depp!".... but didn't argue with him...

I had guessed Gibson was on board, but didn't know about Depp (if true).

(Forgive the shameless name-dropping..... :)