Kia Baskerville (CBS) learns of both plane crashes in New York before President Bush?
The Longest Day
CBS News Producer Kia Baskerville Was With The President
WASHINGTON
(CBS) Kia Baskerville is a CBS News White House producer. She was traveling with President Bush when the terror attacks occurred on Sept. 11, 2001
"I went on the Florida trip at the last minute, replacing our White House Correspondent John Roberts. The day started out very early in the morning with the president jogging on a local golf course -- it was hot, muggy and too many mosquitoes. The most we were expecting from him was a brief comment on the day’s topic -- education, and hopefully taxes -- if we were lucky.
A couple of hours later, as the presidential motorcade headed to President Bush’s first event, I received a call on my cell phone from a producer who said that a plane had just hit the World Trade Center in New York.
I honestly couldn’t believe what I had just heard and fifteen minutes later I was standing in a second grade classroom with 20 students, who were getting ready to read for the president. He was visiting Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota. I received another phone call, this time from CBS Radio Correspondent Mark Knoller. "Kia, a plane has now crashed into the second tower of the WTC, so it looks like this is deliberate. You need to ask Bush about this."
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Read her complete account here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/19/september11/main519119.shtml
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President Bush says he learned of the first plane striking the tower while "sitting outside the classroom".
"Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."
But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."
- President Bush at a Town Hall Meeting December 4, 2001
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(Kia Baskerville also seems to confirm that AF1 was "targeted" that day.)
"In our small, cozy cabin in the back of Air Force One, the 12 or so members of the White House travel pool did what millions of other Americans did that day: we turned on the news. As the plane flew on -- we knew not where -- we tuned into one local news report after another, using the plane’s satellite TV system. We were not prepared for what we saw. As I looked at the faces of my colleagues, I saw they were all filled with fear and terror. Then the steward came by and took our drink orders. There isn’t time to feel guilty about ordering a Bloody Mary at 10 in the morning, while you are flying on a targeted plane watching the World Trade Center collapse in front of your eyes."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/19/september11/main519119.shtml
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Are we really expected to believe that Kia Baskerville learned of both the 1st and 2nd plane crashes (via cell phone) before the President of the United States?
She learned of the first plane while on route to the school in the motorcade, but the POTUS did not?
She learned of the second plane crash (15 minutes later) as the students "were getting ready to read for the President."
Is this before Andy Card notified him via the whisper in his ear?
I have not seen any discussion of this account of events. Any thoughts?
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"I have not seen any discussion of this account of events"
I have proof Bush learned about what was going on in New York before he even left his hotel. More coming soon...
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Wow!!
That is some really heavy evidence, stallion4. I can't wait to hear it!! Are you going to break it here on 911blogger?? I hope so :-)
See below LOL
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W00T Alex Jones Just played the ABC Report on his show!!
At the end of the show I heard him play John Cochran's report about Bush learning about the attack back at his hotel! I only heard the last 10 minutes of the show and don't know if he talked about it earlier during his broadcast, though. I think this story is about to go super nova! Someone get this thread to the Watson bros and /or Aaron from the Jones Report to help them with any articles they may write about the ABC report.
EDIT
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Bush Told Of First Attack On 9/11 Before He Left Florida Hotel
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/040507bushtold.htm
I'm creating a blog for this now!
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I had never seen that account...
Before. VERY interesting. In regards to the "target" remark... couldn't she have meant because it was the President's plane, and that automatically makes it a target?
At a time when America is "under attack?"
Edit: Wasn't there a report of an ABC News Reporter asking Bush about the first plane as he was leaving his hotel?
Edit: Here it is...
Not surprising then, is this report by ABC’s John Cochrane, travelling with the President, here speaking to Peter Jennings not long after the President left his hotel:
“Peter, as you know, the President’s down in Florida talking about education. He got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House Chief of Staff, Andy Card, whisper into his ear. The reporter said to the President, “Do you know what’s going on in New York?” He said he did, and he said he will have something about it later. His first event is in about half an hour at an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida.”
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Ok Jon just let the cat out of my bag :-)
Yes you are correct, Jon. But the report had only been in the form of a transcript - that many thought could have been faked. BUT I now have video of this and am working on a presentation to show people. I'm currently looking for a bad azz editor who can help me with this project. If anyone has "bad azz editor" qualifications and is interested in contributing to this project, please let it be known.
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Sorry...
Here's the transcript.
If you have video of that, that would be INCREDIBLE.
I only know how to use iMovie.
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No worries, Jon. This is good publicity for what's coming;-)
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This talks about...
Kia, and a lot of other things. So I guess I did read about Kia before because I KNOW I've read, "An Interesting Day."
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"An Interesting Day" to say the least
Even more interesting how ABC didn't challenge Bush's story about first learning "what was going on in New York" when he arrived at the Booker Elementary School after one of their own reporters said Bush knew back at his hotel. ABC is going down for this!
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Challenge him?
They were probably congratulating him.
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Good question...
My question is, what did Condi know/tell Bush?
Bush supposedly was told of the first plane hitting the tower by Condoleeza Rice when he arrived at Emma E. Booker Elementary School. He went into a room, and took a phone call from her. According to the 9/11 Report, "At 8:55, before entering the classroom, the President spoke to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who was at the White House. She recalled first telling the President it was a twin-engine aircraft—and then a commercial aircraft—that had struck the World Trade Center, adding “that’s all we know right now, Mr. President.”
Considering Condi is a known liar regarding the 9/11 attacks, it makes more sense not to trust her account than it does to trust it.
So, what did Condi know/tell Bush? That a plane hit the WTC? That a hijacked plane hit the WTC? That multiple planes have been hijacked, and one/two have hit the WTC? That multiple planes have been hijacked, one/two have hit the WTC, and we should dispatch planes immediately? That everything is going according to plan, and to go ahead with the photo op, and we'll take care of things from here?
The first few, depending on what Condi knew, sound like something a real National Security Advisor would say. The last one makes the most sense to me. That IS what he did isn't it?
According to Gwen Tose'-Rigell, the principal of the school, she said that when he came out of the room, he told her, "a commercial plane has hit the World Trade Center, and we're going to go ahead and go on, we're going on to do the reading thing anyway."
What did she tell him? I want her under oath, attached to a lie detector. Both of them.
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After the first plane hit the Secret Service...
would have been notified (it was known there were "hijackings" before the 1st plane hit) and Bush's trip to the Booker School would have been cancelled -- that is to say IF whoever they were getting their orders from wasn't 'in on it' and knew the Booker school wasn't a target.
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That's what should...
Have happened. Wasn't there a video clip of a secret service agent saying something like, "I got into the office at 7am, and I got a call. Someone mentioned there might be a hijacking this morning."
Or something like that?
What was Bush's official account?
Edit: This is what I'm looking for... From the 9/11 Report.
The President was seated in a classroom when, at 9:05, Andrew Card whispered to him: “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.”The President told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis.The press was standing behind the children; he saw their phones and pagers start to ring. The President felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening.
The President remained in the classroom for another five to seven minutes, while the children continued reading. He then returned to a holding room shortly before 9:15, where he was briefed by staff and saw television coverage. He next spoke toVice President Cheney, Dr.Rice, NewYork Governor George Pataki, and FBI Director Robert Mueller. He decided to make a brief statement
from the school before leaving for the airport.The Secret Service told us they were anxious to move the President to a safer location, but did not think it imperative for him to run out the door
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That does sound familiar
but I have no idea where I heard it.
As far as Bush is concerned, his official account is that he first learned about the attack when he saw a plane hit on an imaginary television as he was entering Sandra K. Daniels' 2nd grade classroom. He's on record at least twice stating this.
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I found it...
Uploading now.
Edit: Here it is. It's a .swf file.
dz, could you please host this? I did not make this video.I do not remember where I got it from. I don't know if it's edited or anything. One would have to buy the original documentary to be sure.For those that don't know, a .swf file is a compiled .fla file. You need a flash player, or a compatible browser in order to view it.
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http://www.911podcasts.com/fi
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/secretservice911.swf
Thank you...
And um, can you change the original link up there? :D
Edit: Thanks again.
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WOWZA
So the Secret Service was on alert that there was a hijacking and they let Bush go to an unsecured location that had been reported in the press before 9/11/01???
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That's...
The impression I get from that video. But as I said, we need to make sure it's not edited, or find a transcript of that show.
Here's the show...
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/channel/secretservice/
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Re your Edit, Jon
Ok yes the official account was that Andy Card told him that America was under attack in the classroom, BUT Bush said at least twice publicly that he didn't know about the first plane hitting the WTC until he saw it on TeeVee as he was entering the classroom.
This is a proven lie and he should be impeached for it IMHO.
According to several sources there weren't any teevees near that classroom.
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I find...
It is best to lay out the official story first, and then deconstruct it based on the other available information.
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There is a TV in this
There is a TV in this picture... but I do not know if this was taken before or after he entered the classroom. (Or if it matters since it would not change that he lied about how he "first learned" and chose to read about a goat instead of acting.)
Anyone seen this?
http://www.marist.edu/magazine/fall02/bush.jpg
I found this picture here: :
http://www.marist.edu/magazine/fall02/securing.html
That was taken after Bush left Sandra Daniels' classroom..
That pic was taken in a nearby holding room after the 2nd plane hit. I believe there is even a link to it on the White House's website explaining this - and talking about how both towers can be seen burning in the background on the teevee - which proves it was taken after Bush entered the classroom to read my pet goat w/ school children. I also have proof that he entered the 2nd grade classroom before anyone in his staff at Booker Elementary knew about the 2nd plane hitting..
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Ok, thanks for the
Ok, thanks for the clarification. I look forward to seeing the clip when you get it put together.
You're very welcome
And to prove my point that there wasn't a teevee near the classroom and that Bush entered it before the 2nd plane hit....
New York Post, September 12th 2002
Teacher relives moment Bush- and her kids- got the news
"...at Emma E. Booker Elementary School, teacher Sandra Daniels recalled yesterday how she and her class learned of the terror attacks- when a Secret Service agent rushed into the room to inform the president of United States.
President Bush had been presiding over her reading class last 9/11, when a Secret Service agent interrupted the lesson and asked, "where can we get a television?".
"The President bolted right out of here and told me: "take over", Daniels told the Post yesterday...
The New York Post: http://www.nypost.com/09112002/56883.htm
And...
(9:03 a.m.) According to Sarasota County Sheriff Bill Balkwill, just after Bush enters a Booker Elementary classroom, a Marine responsible for carrying Bush's phone walks up to Balkwill, who is standing in a nearby side room. While listening to someone talk to him in his earpiece, the Marine asks, "Can you get me to a television? We're not sure what's going on, but we need to see a television." Three Secret Service agents, a SWAT member, the Marine and Balkwill turn on the television in a nearby front office just as Flight 175 crashes into the WTC. "We're out of here," the Marine tells Balkwill. "Can you get everyone ready?" [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02]
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday
And...
I had the opportunity to talk with Principal Gwen Rigell of Booker Elementary school for about twenty minutes. ... I asked her if in fact the President had been watching the events of 9-11 unfold on TV before he went into that classroom and she told me "Absolutely not". There was no TV in the corridor or anywhere near that classroom
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/booker_principal.htm
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Yet another..........Sonya Ross
Flying With Bush
By SONYA ROSS
Associated Press Writer
It began as one of the most ordinary of trips with the president. He was talking about education at a time when everyone else wanted to talk about the economy. The stories out of Florida were hardly Page One material.
That all changed Tuesday morning. My cell phone rang as President Bush's motorcade coursed toward Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla. A colleague reported that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center in New York. No further information.
I called the AP desk in Washington, seeking details. Same scant information. But I knew it had to be grim. I searched for a White House official to question, but none was on hand until 9:05 a.m. Bush's chief of staff, Andrew Card, walked into S. Kay Daniels' second grade classroom, where the president was observing a reading lesson. He whispered something to Bush, and the color drained from the president's face. Bush looked at the children, at the cameras, at the children again. Card stood off to the side briefly, then left the room. Bush picked up a textbook in an attempt to follow the lesson, his concentration gone.
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"For nearly two hours we speculated about where we might be, Kansas, Missouri, Ohio, Kentucky. White House aides asked us to refrain from using our cell phones and pagers so the signals wouldn't alert terrorists to the president's whereabouts."
http://www.nabj.org/newsroom/special_reports/911/story/426p-569c.html
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Hmmm... What kind of terrorists could track down Air Force One using cell phone and pager signals of individuals (in the press pool?)
Could "terrorists" know who was on the plane in order to track them? Especially since there was only a small contingent allowed to remain on board.
I had never seen that quote before. It seems like an odd statement for a "White House aide" to make.
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"White House aides asked us to refrain from using our cell phones and pagers so the signals wouldn't alert terrorists to the president's whereabouts."
- Sonya Ross
That...
Actually makes sense to me. It sounds like a "standard operating procedure" on the part of the Secret Service. Something they would do to protect the Prez. I've always wondered if the Bush crew that day was told certain things to keep him out of D.C.
At what point did the "Angel warning" come into play?
September 12, 2001: Threat to Air Force One? Stories Conflict
White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer explains that President Bush went to Nebraska because “[t]here was real and credible information that the White House and Air Force One were targets.” The next day, William Safire of the New York Times writes, and Bush’s political strategist, Karl Rove, confirms, that the Secret Service believed “‘Air Force One may be next,’ and there was an ‘inside’ threat which ‘may have broken the secret codes [i.e., showing a knowledge of presidential procedures].’” [New York Times, 9/13/2001 pdf file] By September 27, Fleischer begins to backpedal on the claim that there were specific threats against Air Force One and/or the president, and news stories flatly contradict it. [Washington Post, 9/27/2001] A well-informed, anonymous Washington official says, “It did two things for [Cheney]. It reinforced his argument that the president should stay out of town, and it gave George W. an excellent reason for doing so.” [Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001] By 2004, a Bush spokesperson says there was no threat, but Cheney continues to maintain that there may have been. Cheney also claims the Secret Service passed him word of the threat, but two Secret Service agents working that day deny their agency played any role in receiving or passing on such a threat. The threat was allegedly based on the use of the word “Angel,” the code word for Air Force One, but Secret Service agents later note that the code word was not an official secret, but a radio shorthand designation that had been made public well before 2001. [Wall Street Journal, 3/22/2004 pdf file]
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That very well could be
That very well could be true. It could have been a protocol.
I just find it suspicious when looking at it in a historical context of what was known at the time.
It just seems like that request is pretty illogical given the PDB and the fact that "the system was blinking red" that "Al Qaeda" was "determined to strike".
Unless of course it was a "known known" that "Al Qaeda" had acquired sophisticated cave devices for tracking Presidential airplanes and furthermore had influenced the lottery pick of which reporters could have been on the plane to potentially be tracked by signals picked up with such devices.
Who knows? It may have just been a standard thing to say at the time... but it sure doesn't read that way now.