Anyone able to put up a web site or blog to do that?

I could but I'm not going to.

Why not dedicate time to the positive? The amount of energy to do something like could be lent to much bigger and more positive things.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Liz gets Her facts reading Mickey Mouse Comic Books!

Yeah Go Mickey!!

With all do respect...

You have to realize that the natural psychological reaction that one has when they are faced with a lie of such magnificent proportions is to deny and protect your own world view.

My point is that we should all be more open to alternative view points no matter how far away they are from our own. Image is everything and I think 9/11 Truth needs to be seen as a reasonable group of concerned citizens....not reactionary..."you believe what I believe or you are a flaming idiot"

or my fav..

"you believe what I believe or you are on the list of suspected 'non-truthers"

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

and im waiting for the day when the unwitting shill decides to go public and confesses their ignorance along with their anger and outspokeness. Thats what scares the NWO more than anything. I would almost have to bet their is something like that brewing.

It is a much grander gesture to fight for liz right to speak. What did she say? Steel weakens at 275 degrees... UH OH! I have chicken in the oven right now - I better make sure it's not sagging and about to collapse!

www.freewebs.com/springfield911truth
www.myspace.com/culturalrelativity

it's a waste of time to "stop liz".

The stop rosie sites actually HELP our cause. they bring attention to it. Let's not bring attention to liz and her crazy neoconian theories.

Liz said it takes 240 degrees to weaken steel. She is not credible and she wants Popular Mechanics to debate. I don't mind that idea so much but she clearly is not open minded or objective about this issue.

I think rather than attacking her...let's get the ABC station some real support to do a show that has a real debate. Let the viewers decide for themselves.

Stay positive folks. It adds credibility to us all.

Rosie's articulate thoughtful questions really stand out compared to Liz's canned mind control response.

Truth Will Prevail

...Get either Kevin Ryan or Richard Gage to go on the View with Bill Doyle and/or Bob McIlvaine. Kevin Ryan would be best because he is a whistle blower and lost his job - he has been personally affected by this. As appealing as the idea of an "objective" debate might be, it's impossible. In a dream world where ABC actually lets this happen, best to go with two or three people who have been personally affected by this, that's what's going to win your daytime audience. AND that they know EXACTLY what they're talking about, in other words you can feel the truth oozing from them, AND that they've made a legal petition to NIST seeking corrections to the NIST report. When a man who lost his job to expose controlled demolition and a man who lost his son in that controlled demolition are on National Television talking about that controlled demolition, everyone's jaw will drop.

Holy shit, there's a volcano under NYC!? Why is this the first time I'm hearing about it?! Aw schucks, Beaver, now I have to move again!!! Flippity-floppity!!!

"They took it from the top to the bottom, we're gonna take them from the bottom to the top." - Dan Wallace

So if you see anyone using this argument against her on message boards, at digg.com, etc.., here's what you do:

First post John Gross' denial that there were any reports about the Molten Steel at Ground Zero:

NIST engineer, John Gross, denies the existence of Molten Steel - 10/18/06
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7180303712325092501&hl=en

Then post all of these documented news reports about the Molten Steel...

(FYI if you try to repost this info, some of the links will need to be copied and pasted manually since 911blogger drops off the end of longer links posted. If you see "..." at the end of any of these links, simply right click and "copy link location" to grab the entire link)

"These reports came from two men involved in the removal of the rubble: Peter Tully of Tully Construction of Flushing, N.Y., and Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition, Inc. of Phoenix, Md.
Tully told AFP that he had seen pools of “literally molten steel” in the rubble.
Loizeaux confirmed this: “Yes, hot spots of molten steel in the basements,” he said, “at the bottom of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven levels.”
The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” he said. He confirmed that molten steel was also found at WTC 7 [...]"
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/cutter_charges_brought_down_wt.htm...

An employee of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed "Fires burning and molten steel flowing in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet."
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/sasalum/newsltr/summer2002/k911.html

The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."
http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm

A public health advisor who arrived at Ground Zero on September 12, said that "feeling the heat" and "seeing the molten steel" there reminded him of a volcano.
http://www.neha.org/9-11%20report/index-The.html

New York firefighters recalled in a documentary film, "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel."
http://www.nypost.com/movies/19574.htm

According to a worker involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations at ground zero, "Underground it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from Building 6."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/congress/9-11_commission/

An expert stated about World Trade Center building 7, "A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures" (pay-per-view).
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10812FF3F590C7A8EDDA809...

Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 were subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them.
http://www.answers.com/evaporation&r=67

A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero "descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams."
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/07/77nwash.htm

The same journalist also refers to "the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole." (pages 31-32)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002E5QKI/qid=1133995198/sr=1-5/ref=sr...

An engineer stated in the September 3, 2002 issue of The Structural Engineer, "They showed us many fascinating slides ranging from molten metal, which was still red hot weeks after the event."
http://web.archive.org/web/20030422113455/http://www.istructe.org.uk/abo...

An Occupational Safety and Health Administration Officer at the Trade Center reported a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, "its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel."
http://www.thenewliberator.com/wethepeople.htm

The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks.
http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf

According to a member of New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing, who was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, "One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200112/ai_n9015802

A fireman stated that there were "oven" like conditions at the trade centers six weeks after 9/11.
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/red_hot_ground_zero_l...

Firemen and hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, "There are pieces of steel being pulled out [from as far as six stories underground] that are still cherry red" and "the blaze is so 'far beyond a normal fire' that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires." (pay-per-view)
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nydailynews/87451160.html?did=87451160&FMT=A...

A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said "for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal - everything from molten steel beams to human remains...."
http://wasteage.com/mag/waste_dday_ny_sanitation/

As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O'Toole saw a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, "was dripping from the molten steel."
http://www.fallenbrothers.com/community/showthread.php?p=2948#post2948

Indeed, the trade center fire was "the longest-burning structural fire in history",
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1634

even though it rained heavily on September 14, 2001
http://www.courttv.com/assault_on_america/0914_rain_ap.html

and again on September 21, 2001,
http://www.wnbc.com/news/962722/detail.html

and the fires were sprayed with high tech fire-retardands,
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1634

and "firetrucks [sprayed] a nearly constant jet of water on" ground zero."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/12/19/archive/main321907.shtml

Indeed, "You couldn't even begin to imagine how much water was pumped in there," said Tom Manley of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, the largest fire department union. "It was like you were creating a giant lake."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/12/19/archive/main321907.shtml

Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2005
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-was-there-molten-metal-...

Molten Steel links originally posted at Physorg by forum member Foxx:
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108&st=5550&#entry65201

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Also, consider posting what Dr. Frank Greening (of 911myths.com) has recently come out to say regarding the molten steel:

"There is some crucial scientific evidence for the presence of molten iron or steel in the pulverized remains of WTC 1 & 2"
"I am referring to the observation of micron-sized iron spherules that have been seen in many WTC dust samples. These spherical particles are direct physical evidence that the iron within the particle was molten at the time the particle formed."
"The formation of spherical iron particles has been well documented and researched for steel making processes... Iron spheres in the 30 micron to 1 micron range are typically seen in the dust-laden off-gases produced by molten steel and are believed to be formed by the ejection of metal droplets when the liquid metal degasses."
"...some steel appears to have melted in the WTC prior to the collapse of the buildings."
"Iron spherules and elevated levels of airborne ZINC prove there was molten iron/steel in the WTC."
"This implies that some iron or steel in the twin towers was exposed to temperatures ABOVE 1539 deg C. Such temperatures are much too high for hydrocarbon fires in the twin towers according to NIST's own studies."
"I would say that the presence of molten iron in the WTC is inconsistent with the NIST Report’s conclusion that temperatures in the towers during 9/11 were well below the melting point of iron or steel."
"NIST, in its fire simulations, tried very hard to get steel (>95 % iron) to temperatures above 1000 deg C but failed!"
"How did the fires in the rubble pile melt steel?"
"Why does the presence, I mean the FACT, of molten steel in the Twin Towers bother you so much?" (Greening's questions directed at other forum members who were denying the existence of molten steel at Ground Zero)

-Dr. Frank Greening, originally posted at Physorg.com March/April 2007 as forum member "NEU-FONZE", and as "Apollo20" at Forums.Randi.org, April 2007

Frank Greening's Bio:
http://www.911myths.com/html/dr_frank_greening_bio.html

A few more recent quotes from Dr. Greening...

"I have a personal e-mail FROM A VERY RESPECTED PROFFESOR OF ENGINEERING at an AMERICAN UNIVERSITY in which he notes that his attempts to publish his research into the collapse of WTC 1 & 2 in US and British journals has been blocked.
This means work disputing NIST's findings is nowhere to be found because it is simply being censored by over-cautious editors!" -Dr. Frank Greeing, posted at Physorg.com as forum member "NEU-FONZE", Mar 20 2007 - 9/11 Events - part 3, pg. 91

"NIST has no PROOF that fire insulation was stripped by the aircraft impacts in the critical areas ABOVE the impact zones. In fact it is highly UNLIKELY that this happened, and without the loss of thermal insulation, NIST's collapse theory falls apart.
The loss of thermal insulation idea is obviously an ad hoc hypothesis added by NIST to salvage a failed collapse theory" -Dr. Frank Greeing, posted at Physorg.com as forum member "NEU-FONZE", Mar 20 2007 - 9/11 Events - part 3, pg. 92

"The truth about 9/11 is too important to declare the matter closed just because NIST have written a book or two on it.
NIST themselves call their version of the truth an HYPOTHESIS. Does that preclude the consideration of other hypotheses?
Is it the NIST apologists' plan to keep up the nay-saying until they silence any dissenting voices and declare: "CASE CLOSED!"
Well, sorry to tell you, it won't work!" -Dr. Frank Greeing, posted at Physorg.com as forum member "NEU-FONZE", Mar 20 2007 - 9/11 Events - part 3, pg.102

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening

One more thing:

Jones' new paper mentions "iron rich spheres". This means MOLTEN STEEL. USGS official studies confirm this and claim that they were "frequently seen". This is devastating evidence for molten STEEL.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Yes I agree that the evidence for molten steel is devastating to the official story.

NIST omitted ALL of the evidence of molten steel from their 10,000 page report.

This is undeniable proof that NIST participated in covering up crucial evidence that could have helped determine why the towers came down.

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening

I have never understood two things:

1) Why Steven Jones always talks of 'molten metal' , not molten steel.

2) Why Judy Wood thinks there was no molten metal aka molten steel.

1) Because sometimes you are looking at a photo and you can't tell if it is steel or not. Analysis proves what it is, as Jones has done
2) Because she is an active promoter of disinformation.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Images of the World Trade Center Site Show Thermal Hot Spots on September 16 and 23, 2001
U. S. Geological Survey, Open File Report OF-01-405

Roger N. Clark1, Robert O. Green2, Gregg A. Swayze1, Todd M. Hoefen1, K. Eric Livo1, Betina Pavi2, Chuck Sarcher2, Joe Boardman4, and J. Sam Vance3

1U. S. Geological Survey,
Denver, Colorado

2Jet Propulsion Lab
Pasadena, California

3U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Denver, Colorado

4Analytical Imaging and Geophysics, LLC Boulder, Colorado

This report presents results of Airborne Visible/Infrared Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) remote sensing data and interpretations that map the distribution and intensity of thermal hot spots in the area in and around the World Trade Center on September 16 and 23, 2001. Data collected on the 16th were processed, interprested and release to emergency response teams on the 18th of September, 2001. The September 23 data were processed, interpreted and the results released on October 12, 2001. The images of the World Trade Center site show significant thermal hot spots on Sept. 16, 2001. By Sept. 23, 2001, most of the hot spots had cooled or the fires had been put out.

The AVIRIS instrument is a National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) remote sensing instrument that measures upwelling spectral radiance in the visible through short-wavelength infrared. The instrument has 224 spectral channels (bands) with wavelengths from 0.37 to 2.5 microns (micrometers).

In response to requests from the EPA through the USGS, NASA flew AVIRIS on a De Havilland Twin Otter over lower Manhattan at mid-day on September 16 and 23, 2001. For these deployments, the Twin Otter was flown at altitudes of 6,500 and 12,500 feet. The spectral data for the maps shown here were measured at 6,500 feet and have a spatial resolution (pixel spacing) of approximately 6 feet (2 meters).

AVIRIS records the near-infrared signature of heat remotely. The accompanying maps are false color images that show the core affected area around the World Trade Center. Initial analysis of these data revealed a number of thermal hot spots on September 16 in the region where the buildings collapsed 5 days earlier. Analysis of the data indicates temperatures greater than 800oF. Over 3 dozen hot spots appear in the core zone. By September 23, only 4, or possibly 5, hot spots are apparent, with temperatures cooler than those on September 16.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/hotspots-compare.jpg
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/wtc-r09.091601.usgs-thermal.jpg
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/wtc-r14.092301.usgs-thermal.jpg

Very nice post indeed,

Is there a site that has all the documentation (like this) that provides links to each piece of evidence and/or anomalies from 911?

If not, then I would highly recommend it, since it clearly illustrates the huge amounts of data available on each piece of evidence.

The website could be referenced by people who appear on the MSM, so that viewers can find the topic of discussion fast and easy.

Anyone new to 911 would quickly understand why a new investigation is warranted, and it would help to quell debunkers with tons of factual information.

The website could also prove to be very useful for any indictments, Grand Jury's and/or Criminal cases in the future since everything would be cataloged and referenced for public exhibition.

Great job!

But there are quite a few websites out there that cover what you're talking about. Jim Hoffman's website is one.
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening

This is what I'm talking about!! Coordination!! Stallion's got it people. If you encounter any bedunkers trying to poo-poo molten steel, just copy and paste that right over. Don't even continue to debate after!!! Just lay that on them then be like, "WHUT!" LOL!!! Really. Bedunk that you morons.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

evie writes:

"Dear Ro, I would love to see a show with experts on both sides to discuss WTC7.Silly to always talk about it but never realy pursue the truth once and for all, don’t you think? Please?"

RO writes:

"the show has been booked "

More here:
http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro/

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening