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Rosie O'Donnell's 9/11 Question

Source: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

By Mike Nizza
5/16/2007

The debate over the third building that collapsed at ground zero on Sept. 11, 2001, is back.

On the campaign trail, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and a former senior aide are blaming each other for setting up the city’s emergency command center in a building at the World Trade Center that would be evacuated during its biggest emergency ever, collapsing hours later because of damage sustained in the terrorist attack.

Or was detonated from within? Rosie O’Donnell smells a cover-up, and has been using her seat on her morning talk show, “The View,” to raise questions. Before leaving as a full-time host, she plans to tackle the issue in a special segment.

If her reading list is any guide, the soon-to-be-ex-talk show host is inspired by the prevailing sources for 9/11 conspiracy. Alex Jones, who The Times’s Alan Feuer called the William Jennings Bryan of the movement, covered all of them in a 2006 speech. Mr. Feuer summarized it thusly:

Mr. Jones set forth the central tenets of 9/11 Truth: that the military command that monitors aircraft “stood down” on the day of the attacks; that President Bush addressed children in a Florida classroom instead of being whisked off to the White House; that the hijackers, despite what the authorities say, were trained at American military bases; and that the towers did not collapse because of burning fuel and weakened steel but because of a “controlled demolition” caused by pre-set bombs.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology has been charged with leading the federal investigation into the collapse of buildings at the World Trade Center, but it has yet to issue a final report on Building 7. One is expected before the summer.

Glenn P. Corbett, a fire expert who is part of the inquiry, explained the working theory in 2004 (A technical explanation is explained in question 14 on a page of the inquiry’s site):

The reason 7 World Trade Center collapsed straight down, he said, was most likely the large amounts of diesel fuel stored in the building’s lower levels. The fuel was meant to power emergency generators.

‘’The conspiracy theorists fail to recognize that there was structural damage in Building 7 caused by flying debris after the first two towers collapsed,'’ Mr. Corbett said. ‘’This led to fires that burned for several hours which eventually collapsed Building 7, too.'’

Ms. O’Donnell is not convinced by Mr. Corbett, or her co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who echoed the explanation. “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel,” Ms. O’Donnell said during a show available on YouTube.

Popular Mechanics, which published a book called “Debunking 9/11 Myths,” backed up Ms. Hasslebeck on its Web site, but without the courtesy: “Ms. O’Donnell fundamentally misstates the case with her use of the word ‘melted.’”

As the fire raged for hours, it was probably fed by the emergency command center’s fuel tanks in the basement, the head of the investigation told the magazine. Under those conditions, it is possible to reach temperatures that “ultimately weakened — not melted — the steel structures,” it said, before tossing out some factoids:

Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse.

Two other points brought up by Ms. O’Donnell were also addressed, but almost 1,000 comments showed how unconvinced some remain. For those people, her report will be a huge step forward. But if she’s not reporting anything new, the debate will continue to stand exactly where it is.

Until, of course, the federal investigation dismisses all the conspiracy theories with its final report. Just like that fella Warren and his commission did in the 1960’s…

Rosie O'Donnel

Rosie said that "Judy Wood rocks". When is this going to be addressed?

ive seen at least one thread

ive seen at least one thread on it and saw it discussed in another thread. contact her. tell her what you think of Judy Wood.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

thanks Chris

where can I find her contact info?

i always just go through her

i always just go through her blog/website. the more people warn her about Wood the better. shes praised her multiple times now.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Fact is that

NOTHING is going to happen to these Treasonous war criminals unless we the people by the 10s of Millions forcibly make it happen.
Plain and simple.

Rosie O Donnel

They are letting the air out slowly on 911.Those who carried it out and planned it are also letting the Mainstream report it.They know the common people do not believe the 911 lie so to reduce the damage to them they are letting people know through shows like o Donnels that 911 was an inside job.People will accept this.They simply do not care enough.Its a very clever way of manipulating the masses and softening the hard landing that indeed 911 was an attack by the US government on its own citizens.Great tactic.I´m greatly impressed!

please god not judy wood

we need DAVID RAY GRIFFIN and stephen jones as his humble sidekick, like batman and robin.

I...

Just posted this comment. I wonder if it will be approved.

The family members that fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission, that attended every hearing, that worked with the staff members, that supplied 100's of well researched questions for the 9/11 Commission to answer, declared that very Commission "derelict in its' duties", and questioned the "entire veracity" of the 9/11 Report.

Representatives of a good portion of family members called for an entirely new investigation this past anniversary at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

A documentary was released entitled,"9/11: Press For Truth" that was endorsed by the family members that fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission, and calls into question the entire 9/11 Report.

The families that fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission have a petition with 15,000+ signatures on it calling for the declassification of pertinent documentation related to the 9/11 attacks.

Two family members that fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission recently filed a petition against NIST.

My question is Mr. Nizza, when did the New York Times cover any of this?


It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up

Good job!

I just sent in my comment. Everyone keep posting!

They...

Mine...

... too. ;-)

Which...

The one...

... by "Catherine". Don't ask. :-)

they havent accepted mine

they havent accepted mine but i kind of bashed The Times in my comment. :-)

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I did it...

To, but in a sneaky kind of way.


It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up

Haha, I cencored myself

I had an ugly line about NY Times but I took it out before I posted. So I got my whole post in, including mention of psy-op, jailtime, etc.
Aimed it at newcomers by looking at collapse time and the use of common sense.
Got a link to 911blogger in there also. This was exiting, not many times we get a chance to run down NYT, so go at it folks! Bring out every aspect of 911. There's a lot of debunkers commenting, so hit them hard. We will get newbies in with this.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/rosie-odonnells-911-question...
(as livefree101)

I got one in, too

There is no way to believe the US Gov’t or mainstream media on the events of 9/11. Several holes puncture the “official conspiracy theory” (OCT) of 19 box-cutter wielding arabs organized by Osama bin Laden from his cave retreat in Afghanistan.

No such persons could have penetrated the US security barriers if normal operating procedures had been followed. There was an unexpected NORAD stand-down — normally fighter jets are scrambed within 5 minutes of a plane veering off course. Norman Mineta’s testimony underscore’s Cheney’s culpability in that regard.

The Pentagon housed a non-responsive defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, who could not be bothered to react in time. Not credible.

Thousands of cameras ring the Pentagon — not one tape released. Not credible.

No proof was ever adduced that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with the attacks. We invaded Afghanistan instead of simply providing evidence that bin Laden was responsible in exchange for the Taliban’s agreement to hand over bin Laden if such evidence was proffered.

Several of the “terrorists” have been interviewed by the BBC!

Flight patterns of the supposedly hijacked planes appeared well beyond what amateur pilots trained on single-engine Cessnas could do.

The damage allegedly due to the planes hitting the Twin Towers does not match the final outcome — pulverized concrete, steel beams ejected 600 feet from the buildings, collapse at near-free-fall speed, molten steel in the basement for weeks, eyewitness identification of explosions, seismic data consistent with explosive devices, etc.

Building 7 — no reason for this building to fall WHATSOEVER.

Who is responsible? Israeli spies were implicated — Mossad agents gleefully dancing, found with cash, box-cutters, explosives, and other people’s passports on them. Guess what? We let them go, quietly, back to Israel.

The US officials claimed to have “no idea” about the impending attacks - yet within minutes of the attacks had a main suspect, a motive, and plans on the table to retaliate.

Retaliation was swift and diffuse - against enemies foreign and domestic: The Patriot Act — hundreds of pages long (obviously prepared months in advance)– passed within weeks. Politicians who demurred against the Patriot Act (Leahy & Daschl) were targeted with anthrax, a crime yet to be investigated thoroughly — although the preliminary tests indicate US-weapons grade anthrax was used. Since then, we’ve seen the Bill of Rights dismantled — good-bye habeas corpus, hello torture, hello wire-tapping. Freedom of the press, speech, and probably the internet will be next.

Who benefits? Military/defense contractors, energy companies, bankers, associates of the Bush/Cheney families, Israel (the Likud party). The politicians have all the power, all the control over a highly fearful populace; elections faked (2004 at least well documented).

This is a 100-year war, according to Cheney and colleagues. Our children are being sacrificed for a lie. Nearly a million Iraqis (and how many Afghanistanis?) dead, more with lives ruined. We have raped these countries. For a lie.

— Posted by 911 "nutwing"

more rapings not covered in the msm...

congo and palestine
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Excellent post!

It might be useful if people had one or two texts ready to sumbit whenever needed.

I think...

...that this person's post was best:

how does anybody cook

how does anybody cook anything, anywhere, if steel loses strength at just 400 degrees?

I am not a physics scholar by any means, but that just doesn't make sense to me...

Laughable.

Think about one of those rod-iron racks holding up a 40 Lb log burning in a fireplace for hours on end. DOESN"T MATTER ANYWAY!!! Even if every girder turned to jello, SYMMETRY AND FREE-FALL SPEED!!! Can't happen.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I've got a wood stove with a thermometer

400 degrees F! Give me a break. I haven't been able to soften my wood stove no matter what I burn in there. Kerosene soaked logs do just fine. I can hit my stove with a hammer when I get that sucker blazing and it doesn't seem to "soften"? Maximum air feed, fire burning for 12 hours, and still the thing seems to avoid freefall collapse.

My theory is that human brains soften when exposed to incessant lies that have no experimental basis in fact.

All the steel in WTC was FIREPROOFED with asbestos! And the building had a sprinkler system. On top of that, we can see from the photos that the fire wasn't "raging" but only was visible EVER on two floors! None of the photographic evidence shows anything but trivial damage from debris.

This diesel fuel ruse is rubbish. How many tanks were there? How big were the tanks? Which floors were the tanks on. I know, but the official conspiracy theorists never say. They want to just leave those trivial details to the 'experts'--experts in lies and manipulation.

Cops told people to move away from the building because it was about to "blow up"--creepy--http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

That's rich!

"My theory is that human brains soften when exposed to incessant lies that have no experimental basis in fact."
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"Cogito ergo sum"

Let them try to pull another Warren Commission.

Or another 9/11 Commission for that matter. I'm not stopping either way. We have to keep going beyond just punishing the 9/11 perps anyway.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Information age

It would appear that the elders who orchestrated 9/11 are about as technically savvy as Ted Stevens. This will be their downfall. 9/11 is the lynchpin. After they are exposed most of world will be in one corner and they will be in the other. It looks like we're in for a confrontation.

They haven't approved my post, and

seem to have stopped approving new posts after # 142.

They...

Probably left for the day, or were so inundated with posts, they gave up.


It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up

surprise.......

186.May 16th,
2007
7:04 pm We certainly know that the government has destroyed evidence, lied, and covered up the truth about September 11th. The Commission Report failed to even mention the demolition of Building #7. One hundred and fifteen omissions and distortions of evidence regarding September 11th within the official Report are well chronicled in David Ray Griffin’s book- The 9/11 Report- Omissions and Distortions. Even more damning is his recent book Debunking 9/11 Debunking which looks at the failure of Popular Mechanics and other government sanctioned mouthpieces to answer or respond to the major questions the 9/11 Truth Movement has made- including explaining why Building 7’s destruction exhibited all the characteristics of a controlled demolition. We do know that the Project for a New American Century, comprised of the neo-con cabal surrounding Bush stated that in their quest for global dominance that without a “Catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbour”, the transformation was likely to take a long time…

— Posted by Carol Brouillet

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Let WTC7

be the first pebble in the avalance of truth, and let Ghouliani be tied to it. Let it be a millstone around his neck. Amen.
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...

Rosie's 9/11 blog highlights today

I sent her the google link and asked her to watch the Greg Jenkins interview with Judy Wood beore she considers having her (Wood) on the show.

CarD writes:

Rosie,
I admit I’ve never been a big fan of you but since you’ve been talking about 9/11, I’ve been in absolute awe of your courage.
Do you ever listen to Alex Jones? Will you go on his show PLEASE

i do not listen to radio
i have his dvd’s

Bonnie writes:

Rosie, when i heard you speak about the 9/11 conspiracy theory i thought you had lost your mind. Then i went to “loose change” my opinion changed. I wish everyone could see this. Amazing…Peace

in america
we can still question

sue writes:

Ro,
What is the big deal with wtc7? Do you really think the gov is behind that. Why would they do that?
sue

i dont know who did it
or y
but
someone did

Matt writes:

ROSIE,THAT’S OK IF YOU DON’T PUBLISH MINE BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE ABOUT 911,tHE NEW WORLD ORDER IS BEHIND IT AND THEY ARE USING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.I LOVE YOU

thanks matt

JR writes:

Hi Rosie,
Can you please get Prof. Steven E. Jones and Prof. David Ray Griffin to come on and expose the pack of professional liars over at popular mechanics regarding 9/11? Thanks,
JR

ok

Hi Ro,
Please see Dr. Judy Wood’s 9/11 page at http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/
Very informative, and should be on the upcoming show.
Can’t believe you got them to do it!! WooHoo! So Love you!!
Nat

judy wood rocks

evie writes:

Dear Ro, I would love to see a show with experts on both sides to discuss WTC7.Silly to always talk about it but never realy pursue the truth once and for all, don’t you think? Please?

the show has been booked

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

One problem. Judy Wood does NOT rock.

We've got to straighten her out on that one.
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...

I'm trying...

But, I thought that Greg Jenkins did a great job of letting Judy herself straighten it out for us.

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Show "Logic and evidence don't count on 911blogger.com" by Jim Fetzer

hatchet job? she hung

hatchet job? she hung herself with her own bullshit. Greg didnt have to say much. your losing.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

She also has...

a magic microwave that disintegrates forks...

Forgive me, Jim, was Woods booked or was Jones? Feeling a little insignificant are we?

I'd reply...

but I can't hear you... your posts keep getting -27.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

lol.....

lol.....

Show "911Blogger's Problem Might Be Apantophobia" by CB_Brooklyn

Naw......

That psychologist's thesis is specious... to say the least. Easily, easily debunked. Happy to do it.

You have to do better CB.

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"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe)

It's a joke

I'm pretty sure, anyway. I'm a little embarrassed to admit this, but I looked the other day and there is no Professor Gerard Stilkins at U Penn.

thanks for that....

however, there is a post regarding this crap at 911booger.com to which I did reply. So I now figure, based upon you information, that the 'boogers' are up to their old bs; i.e., they are simply snot.

How self-embarrassing

How self-embarrassing it is for anyone to compare the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement with middle-ages apantophobia.

Someone wants to keep getting their government research grant money.

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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent

http://www.chico911truth.org/

9/11 — GET rEVENge! (in a peaceful manner, of course)

Jim, are Judy and Webfairy the same person?

I've been wonderingthat, or does Webfairy just host for her?

What disturbs me as much as the speculative being called fact regarding the "DEWs" is the no plane stuff.

Jim, you're still with me on the swapped military variant drone hypothesis aren't you?

I just hope you're not a no planer is all..

Like I said, it would be nice to put all this stuff on the shelf and focus on historical justice and the movement of the truth and the reality about 9/11 being an inside job.

It would be as damaging as Morgan Reynolds going on about "cartoons" when being interviewed by the MSM.

You wouldn't put Judy Wood on TV would you?

What would be the impact of that for our movement? And I'm referring to her interview there with Greg Jenkins.
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...

your hurting this movement

take your lying eyes somewere else Fetzer you are worst then Eric Williams

Judy Woods And Jim Fetzer do not speak for me in 911 truth Rosie is wrong to beleive in Judy

You are a shill Fetzer go away go away please your hurting this movement

Eat it, Fetz!!!

HA HA HA!!! I amuse myself. Do you understand what the fruits of your disinfo will be, James? I might be able to entertain the idea that you just don't get the science side of it, if you weren't launching into ad hominem land with such reckless abandon. Where did you learn all those clever zingers? Oh my god, did you learn that from Bill O'reilly? Did you actually get to meet him in person? Oh my GOD!!!! What's he like? Is he as majestic in person as he is on TV??

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

It's the way you say it

I'm looking at all the rhetoric about Woods Fetzer and Jones and trying to make sense of it. It seems to me when I read ad hominem attacks my sympathies go with the victim. I think Judy presents excellent points on the need for "non conventional weapons" to explain all the data. And thermite also makes a lot of sense as a conventional means and there is certainly room for both. What's needed is for some politeness and refrain from ad hominem attacks.

I recently read an amazing book by Dr Steven Greer. It's called Hidden Truth: Forbidden Knowledge. It is basically an autobiography of his lifes work researching UFO's and related phenomena. He is an extremely courageous man to venture into a field full of covert black operations, heavy duty propaganda and huge special interests from covert groups both in the military/intelligence field and in private sector. And he describes first hand accounts with DEW and related non conventional technologies already developed within covert projects.

9/11 is quite similar as it attracts a great deal of ridicule from uninformed people. I encourage anyone that is seriously interested to look at non conventional possibilities to destroy the world trade center buildings to read this book. You can read extensive excerpts for free at Amazon. I bought a copy at my local bookstore. it is absolutely amazing, and certainly you won't be reading a review in the MSM when you read it you'll know why.

So I'd like to apologise to you JIm for all the attacks that are made on you and Judy here, and applaud you for nevertheless posting anyway. But I would encourage you not to respond in kind by slinging more mud at the mud slingers.

If you like civility

then you should just looooove the oh so civil and non-ad-hominem approach taken by Reynolds and Wood in their articles on Steven Jones (hint: sarcasm!sarcasm!sarcasm!):

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=trouble_with_jones

and:

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=helping_jones

Oh, we should cut down on the ad hominem attacks?

Do you know what an ad hominem attack is? Here, I found a cute little video to help you understand the definition.

Fetz shits on Jones.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

So, is it illogical to want Rosie...

...to watch Judy defend her own work in an interview? Do you think Rosie should only look at what Judy has written, including her defense of the interview with Greg but, not watch the actual interview? Rosie can decide for herself just who's work cannot withstand critical scrutiny and who should or should not appear on the show. Why attack anyone who wants to provide relevant information?

But if that's not OK with you, maybe we sheeples should just cave and accept the OTC, 9/11 Commission Report, NIST, Popular Mechanics, and forget any of the the evidence to the contrary in Judy's work, your work, and hell everyone else's work for that matter? I don't think it's going to turn out that way.

I am trying to read Judy's rebuttal but, I'll have to admit. It's hard. Very, very hard. Much harder than watching the interview.

Try this if you have the balls!

Um, did I miss something Uncle Festzer? Was there supposed to be a new Jackass video link or something in your post?

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Does anyone...

Ever wonder why the media makes the argument about Controlled Demolition, and not whether or not we need a new investigation?


It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up

because the new

because the new investigation approach is too broad for them and the controlled demolition approach gives them the oppourtunity to make it look like they have covered "9/11 truth" when in reality i have yet to see even 1 genuine segment on the controlled demolition theory in the MSM. theres a reason why Tucker wouldnt show the tape of WTC7 and its because in the context of having a physicist sit there and calmly explain why it was a controlled demolition would have been damaging to the official story.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Good point!

But I think the controlled demolition is a compelling argument.

As for a new investigation, that should be the upshot of any evidence we might present, or any unanswered questions we present. If the questions and public suspicion isn't raised by some aspect of what happened that day, it seems like people can just 'shrug off' the call for a new investigation. Although a person might not oppose a new investigation if he or she doesn't believe it was actually an inside job, those who do think the official conspiracy theory is a big lie are far more likely to actually do something about 9/11 and call for a new investigation.

But thanks for constantly reminding us of the need to always call for this as part of any argument; it is notable that the MSM and left media never call for a new investigation. That would be 'rocking the (sinking) boat.'

I don't understand...

Why people are voting down that question. It's legitimate. I guess people are thinking that I said that as if to say, "controlled demolition is a sham, and the media is setting us up." If that's the case, that's not what I meant. I meant that they are controlling the argument, and making it, "was there Controlled Demolition" as opposed to "should there be a new investigation?" That is what should be on everyone's minds, and they are successfully keeping it "off the table" and out of public view.


It's Not The Crime That Kills You, But The Cover-Up

Good question.

It was probably Fetz and Judy voting it down. ;)

We should be tacking this onto all our arguments, media appearances, and presentations. Demands for a new investigation. And not just "A" new investigation. We have to specify what we want, and we We WE have to take control of the proceedings. Another "congressional" investigation will be 99.999999999% sure to be worthless. International, citizen controlled, a large panel INCLUDING FAMILY MEMBERS...

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Exactly Consciousness.

Brilliant. An international investigation that includes victims' family members. Kristin Breitweiser would be extremely dynamic in this capacity (as a board member). Of course physicists, uncompromised members of foreign nations, theologians (DRG of course) ;) as well as experts in every relevant field who could explain away the official theory as being implausible in every way possible.
This effort should be spearheaded immediately. No time to waste! LooseChange final cut will be out in 4 months (if all goes as planned, that is) and much needs to get done in that interrum regarding our new -should-be- catch phrase: International Investigation.

Yeah, let's get the ball rolling!

Does anyone here have DRG's ear, or the Jersey Girls? (Well, they might not want to associate with us yet...) Can we start talking about what this fabled "real investigion" should look like? Is there a list of nations who's citizens were murdered that day? I'm sure these countries might want some kind of representation. I think we should start to create a kind of "manifesto" concerning specifically what our goals are. If we had some very concrete demands layed out, it might help people understand that this isn't just some internet chatter.

-New international, citizen controlled investigation, with relevant experts and family members included.
-Stop Oil Wars
-Stop N.A.U. Agenda, and bring that issue into the light of day.
-Dismantle the police state and roll back domestic spying programs
...

Would it be a good idea to start codifying some of this stuff?

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

the left gatekeepers as well

This includes most of the alternative media too.

My Response

This is my response in the forum. As a side note, I do feel how the tower's collapsed is indeed significant, but in light off all the nay sayers posting in the forum, I tried to be objective and bring their attention to other facts that are undeniably suspicious.

"The question of whether or not the three WTC towers had explosives in them is of little significance to the 9/11 Truth Movement. Jon Gold posted some cold hard facts that all of you nay sayers here seem to refuse acknowledging.

The major problem is that serious questions do remain in regards to this tragic day, and none of you seem to have a care in the world about it.

Yes it it true that Bush and his administration did not carry out the 9/11 attacks, BUT they certainly allowed them to happen. Bush received a Presidential Daily Briefing over a month prior to the 9/11 attacks titled “BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE INSIDE U.S.” and in it was mentioned possibilities of hijacked planes and the “SURVEILLANCE OF FEDERAL BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK” Is that not a crime in itself that he took no action whatsoever into this matter.

I am a 9/11 Truther and I must honestly say that all the 9/11 Truth Movement wants is some simple answers and accountability.

Why were there pools of molten metal below all 3 WTC towers?

Why was there a complete stand down at NORAD?

Why did Dick Cheney tell an officer before the Pentagon was struck “Of course the orders still stand”?

Why did Bush and his administration refuse to investigate the 9/11 attacks until pressured by the families to do so over a year later?

Why is Sibel Edmonds being silenced?

Why were only 5 frames of the Pentagon strike released when other videos exist and were confiscated?

Why was there debris scattered for miles around the alleged impact crater of flight 93?

Why did our great leader sit in a classroom for 7 minutes after being told our nation was under attack?

I could go on…I dare any of you 9/11 Truth haters to consider these questions. Maybe they will help you realize that some action must be taken, and accountability had. If you cannot, all hope is lost for any sort of a prosperous or peaceful future in this great country. Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people."

— Posted by Greg

Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people.

Whom did they 'allow' to carry them out?

'Yes it it true that Bush and his administration did not carry out the 9/11 attacks, BUT they certainly allowed them to happen.'

And do you think the people whom they 'allowed' to carry out the attacks were operating out of caves in Afghanistan?

Certainly Not

To answer your question, I don't believe that the attacks were carried out by cave dwellers. We could speculate on and on who did it to no avail. My gut feeling is that the CIA and other high ranking elites were involved. This is a little off the topic but John F. Kennedy wanted to abolish the CIA because of its corruption, and look what happened to him. It is a very eerie thing to imagine that these people would carry out such atrocities, and I hate to say it but I don't think any of them will be brought to justice...unless the masses can unite as one. Presently, we are a nation divided, and the NY Times forum proves it.

Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people.

Thanks for the clarification

Of course, your comments above, to which I was responding, were intended for a different forum.

Power to the People writes:

"I don't think any of them will be brought to justice...unless the masses can unite as one."

This is exactly correct. And this is exactly why we are experiencing a massive campaign of "counter intelligence" to ensure that we do NOT unite under one banner. The information war that is being undertaken is precisely to keep us divided until the police state/martial law/etc is fully in effect so that we won't be able to resist any longer. Afterall, how can we resist if we all have to be home by, let's say 7pm...every day --state enforced-- ?
Webster Tarpley said accurately last year "We're now in a race against time".
What is ultimately in danger here folks is our freedom of movement. That is, physical/bodily movement. And I don't mean bowel movement.

Absolutely correct.

This is 100% accurate. The framework for martial law is already in place. All the Constitutional barriers are now gone. All they need is another disaster as an excuse.

"terrorist attack, epidemic, or OTHER CONDITION"

Bush can now declare martial law for any reason he sees fit, they just need to cook up an excuse that enough of the sheeple will believe. Read the John Warner Defense (Spending?) Authorization for Fiscal Year 2007. Learn how Posse Comitatus has been eroding for decades, and now has finally been swept away.

This is their gameplan. They want to draw everything out and buy time until they can slam the iron doors of the police state shut. We are in a race against time, and we need to be trying harder.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

But, but, but...

Yes it it true that Bush and his administration did not carry out the 9/11 attacks, BUT they certainly allowed them to happen.

And that would still make them accessories before AND after the fact, which does not diminish their level of guilt one iota. sheesh

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Exactly...

and that is where the cover up only begins. Bush and his army of goons would be tried and hung if we were ever allowed a TRUE investigation. We all know it, and most of all he knows it. You could literally see the fear in his face, and hear it in his voice during the press conference where he was asked what he talked about with the 9/11 Cmmission behind closed doors.

Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people.

Comments section of NY Times Blog ruled by idiots!

Here is what I read, over and over:

"There's no way the Bush administration could have pulled it off. They are way too incompetent. Just look at Katrina."

Idiot! We are suggesting 9/11 was an inside job, but not implying Karl Rove and some interns pulled it off. This was a plan probably over 10 years in the making involving people in the defense industry, the Pentagon, FBI and CIA along with other agencies and elements of the US military. Not exactly incompetent people, especially when they are starting wars.

"Someone would have spilled the beans. The government can't keep secrets. Not one this big"

Idiot! God. I mean. Fucking idiot! This was not "the government" but people in our government, and yes, they are excellent at keeping secrets but not that good, as we are finding out what they've done, now aren't we?

don't forget about...

the Grand Chessboard masters...the Brezinskis, the banking cartels, and other "secret" societies like the Free Masons. There's no doubt that this conspiracy to dominate the world is pretty damn big.

Can't necessarily pin anything on them.

We won't be able to zap all these bugs with just one can of 9/11 Raid. But we now know what we are facing, and should be able to systematically remove their access to power.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

But they're not gonna go

But they're not gonna go without a long drawn out fight. We need to prepare for this. They won't go willingly. They've put A LOT of time and effort into their plans.

They "banana peeled"

away, leaving, half way down, half LESS building above the remaining, undamaged structure, yet the momemtum continued at near total free fall speed for any freely dropped object, in nothing but AIR.

It's a devastating argument.

Absent the use of high precision engineered explosives, I call it "the foot of God hypothesis" TM
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...

Actually The Twin Towers had erections

that the engineers thought would last forever. Then, all of a sudden they went flaccid at free fall speed. The new investigation will prove the structural steel should not be mixed with viagra and everyone will be pleased.

Maybe this will be the backup story when the official explanation is finally revealed to be a lie.

PNAC, with a soft "c"

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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...

LOL!!!

I'd love to see that smug fuck William Kristol learn a thing or two about PNAC (with a soft "c") from his new roomates in the pen, Bubba and Dre.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Well, we've already seen

what the "hardened will" from 9/11 did to a whole country.

'Bout time those a-holes took it up theirs, up their Billy Kristol.
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On the 11th day, of every month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9nRs8cu5Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaction...

Rosie, Ron Paul and Alex Jones get a spewing from Malkin

Oh,

Just look at how desperate the neo-con Malkin is getting, appearing on John Gibson.

They say that Ron Paul is not fit to be on stage with other Republicans because he's connected with 9/11 truth.

Alex Jones and Rosie are spew-victims as well.

I think I hate Malkin worse than Silverstein:

(scroll down a tad to see the neo-con queen spew-forth)

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/video-michelle-takes-on-ron-paul-a...

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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...

I find it funny that

Malkin and her neo-con playmates use words like virus, infect, disease, cess-pool to describe us. I just find it highly ironic considering the source of who's saying this.
It's scary to think what these people do when they go home after their day's work.

Maybe they are....

...telegraphing the next play in the NWO playbook?

Maybe they are just projecting.

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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

NYTimes - the publication of record??

The NYTimes has permanently removed the Mike Nizza article, "Rosie O’Donnell’s 9/11 Question" from its archives. It's as if the article was never written!

http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=s&query=Rosie+O%...

The blog is stil active, though, with virtually only truthers writing in:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/rosie-odonnells-911-question...

There is no other way to find this blog, since the article is "invisible" from a technical standpoint.
WTF?

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Here is blog #442:

442.
May 21st,
2007
9:36 pm

Dear Editor,

The NY Times managed to break its 6 year silence on the global debate over 911, in the form of a mocking reference to Rosie on a blog called The Lede, which landed the front page online for a few hours last week: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/rosie-odonn ells-911-question/

It was pulled the same day, within hours (the editor responsible for sneaking it in is no doubt being ‘water boarded’ as I write). Based on the string of bloviated disinformation in the first group of comments, the blog post was intentionally put forth to mock Rosie and her on-air questions about the mysterious collapse of WTC building #7.

What the Times wasn’t apparently expecting was the huge number of posts flooding the commentary, despite the fact that they had pulled the headline, pulled the article from their archives (try searching for it), clearly trying to reverse course.

Bear in mind it was the NY Times that spearheaded the media’s cooperation with the bogus run-up to Iraq war ii. No amount of belated Bush-bashing in the Times’ blogs (now that Bush-bashing is finally popular) will ever ameliorate their conspicuous abdication of responsibility during what is now generally recognized was an epic, bogus lie that exceeded the Gulf of Tonkin hoax by orders of deceptive magnitude, resulting in the unimaginable death and destruction of the present Iraq war.

Rosie does not claim to be a scientist, but the Times chose to show only Rosie (as opposed to a responsible coverage with experts on both sides) in a clearly slanted attempt to debunk and ridicule Rosie and the 911 Truthers. But when the tide of intense comments flowed in, the Times clearly attempted to back off their back-fired attempt to once again exploit their diminishing authority to abuse the news.

To Rosie, I say You Rock! Thank you for keeping freedom of information and freedom of speech alive in the media, despite jeopardizing your own career in the process. Because of your bravery, at least this one dramatic slice within the huge conspiracy by the neocons and their “New World Order” can continue to hold it’s rightful place in critical public debate about the events leading up to the largest most treasonous crime in the history of the United States.

Hang in there Rosie!

— Posted by JS