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"Shadowplay" - New Documentary Fuses Anti-War Left & 9/11 Skepticism

"The American empire is imploding and going down, it is already visible before our eyes. The ideological and the political currency and cachet of this government... it's disgraced around the world. The American government is hated more than at any time in my lifetime, so we really have an empire that's in a slow-motion decline and it will decline. My two worries are... they are going to do a lot of bloodshed, a lot of wreckage before it goes down, and that what stands to replace them is the Chinese empire, and the Chinese empire is a lot more experienced than the American empire, which would be rather parvenue by Chinese standards. "
- Prof. John McMurtry.

I've blogged a couple of times now about a forthcoming documentary from the Australian production company, Upstream Media, called Shadowplay. I'm happy to report that Shadowplay is finally coming to fruition due to the dedicated work of Upstream's Gillian Norman. Her long-distance co-producer is Ian Woods of Global Outlook.

Thanks in part to donations from visitors of 911blogger, Shadowplay is emerging as a strong piece with a serious focus on 9/11 and the decline of the American empire.

The film places 9/11 within a historical and sociopolitical context often lacking in other documentaries. The closest "mainstream" documentary that I can compare it to is Hijacking Catastrophe by the Media Education Foundation.

Hijacking Catastrophe is a strong film, but it proceeds from an a priori notion, namely, blowback. 9/11 itself is not seriously examined in the film, only the aftermath.

Shadowplay is the synthesis of blowback and MIHOP, in documentary form, bringing together such disparate voices as Scott Ritter and Barrie Zwicker, Ralph Schoenman and Steven E. Jones, Colonel Robert Bowman and General Leonid Ivashov and a host of others.

I think that this film has the potential to erase the "firewall" between the anti-war Left and 9/11 skeptics.

For those of you who have contributed -- here are some screen captures and dialog, so you can see that your money did not just evaporate. Production proceeds, and the film is gelling into something marketable, and remarkable. (I can't post previews yet, because there is stock footage in the film that must still be cleared for use.)

"I don't believe it was a matter of coincidence and incompetence. I believe the evidence points toward deliberate delay to make sure that those aircraft were not intercepted. If that's the case, then it's not incompetence, it is treason."
- Lt.+Col.+Robert+Bowman+(Ret.).

"In the wake of 9/11, Islamic terrorists are allegedly present in different parts of the world, so the United States has to go after these terrorists. And they say, "Well, bin Laden is there, we have to go after him," or his "group" is there, so that the pretext of 9/11 is essentially, to intervene militarily under the pretext that they're going after the terrorists. So they'll send in Special Forces into the Philippines, into Somalia, into the Sudan, into various countries where there are strategic interests, where there's oil, or where there are minerals."
- Michel Chossudovsky.

"The ultimate cause of 9/11, in my view, is the destruction of the world economy in the 1990s by economic globalization, which is simply another name for the looting and sacking and brutal exploitation of all the world's resources, in a failed attempt to maintain the US dollar, which is now in its death agony."
- Webster Griffin Tarpley.

"9/11 occurs at a particular time, namely, when the system is without its prior rationale for its vast military undertakings. The collapse of the Soviet Union left the US capital without its justification for trillions upon trillions of dollars being expended upon arms and intelligence services and the state apparatus as such."
- Ralph Schoenman.




"There is this concerted effort to manufacture the threat, and we have think-tanks, we've had governments, policy makers, and academics trying to create this idea that we are fundamentally threatened by this amorphous network of Islamic radicals that are out to get us."
- Nafeez Ahmed.

"It's more to do with state operations than fundamentalist Muslim groups. You have two operations, one is the patsy operation which is more or less done or prepared, but hidden, by the secret services, and you have the real operation, which is done perhaps by criminals or somebody else. It's an old technique for secret services to hire organized crime."
- Andreas Von Buelow.

"You have Osama bin Laden, the chosen villain, who all along was a CIA asset, from years back when he worked closely with the CIA during the war in Afghanistan against the Soviets. He was a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald was. Remember, Lee Harvey Oswald, claimed to the lone gunman who killed JFK said, "I'm just a patsy." Those were his words, and he found that out just before they killed him. These people are manipulated. Obviously. So Osama... put out this audiotape saying, you know what, I didn't do it. But that audiotape was quickly forgotten, followed in December of 2001 by an alleged videotape of Osama bin Laden... that videotape was clearly, to me, a fake. It was one which was created, in a studio, by the CIA, and which I think is the case with all subsequent audio and video tapes, ostensibly from Osama bin Laden. And the media never question their authenticity, apart from saying, "We're waiting for the CIA to determine the authenticity", and guess what? The CIA every time says, "Yes, we have determined this tape is authentic." Yeah! Authentically made by the CIA! That's what's authentic about these tapes... they're more of a Fairy Tale, used to continuously embellish the official lie of 9/11. This is psychological warfare, rolled out on an ongoing basis."
- Barrie Zwicker.

"When you have the Bush administration and the neoconservatives speak about the Middle East, they aren't solely focused on Iraq. They speak of the need to "transform the entire region." This means that regime change is the policy."
- Scott+Ritter.

If you can donate (any amount!) to help with the production of Shadowplay, please do:
http://shadowplay.info/
(scroll to the bottom donation button at link)

If you are interested in becoming an investor, or the U.S. distributor, contact Gillian directly;

jilinda(at)shadowplay.info

I'm really looking forward to this film.

Way to go everyone involved, and I'm especially proud of all the Canadians who've worked hard on it.

I've seen the rough cut, and it is truly excellent! This film...

does more for helping us and non-truthers to understand the why and the how of 9/11 and the ”war on terror” than any previous documentary to date. Bringing a world view to us in a new way.

It also is appealing to the older viewer but still extremely hard hitting! It pulls no punches that is for sure!

I won't say too much about it at this stage except that I will be putting a considerable amount of money up for it's production as I think it will definitely make numerous film festivals and the mainstream in Europe, Canada and possibly the UK and Australia.

I really think this one is very close to bullet proof, although at this stage It dose have a small interview with Fetzer (what he says is relevant and accurate).

The only two small disappointments for me in the rough cut is that there are no interviews with Griffin or Hordon which would be nice, I think! I am a very big fan of Robin Hordon’s recent explanations of the changing FAA/NORAD protocols in June of 2001 and I think this is as important to exposing the truth about 9/11 as Steven Jones’s work which dose feature in this film.

How important do you all think it is that Fetzer is removed from the bill of SHADOWPLAY?
I think Gillian would like to know how strong the feeling is against this man that is now sooo.. yesterday! This time could be better spent!

Kind regards John

WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!

Sorry about the re-post, just want some feed back for Gillian!

FETZER MUST BE CUT!

Ok, even if a serial killer tells you that the world is round, it is still true. But why have a serial killer as a spokesperson?

Yes,it is true that 9/11 Mysteries used some footage from Rick Siegel (a dodgy guy) and credited Eric Hufschmid (another dodgy guy) with awakening Brad to 9/11 truth. These associations did not damage the documentary. But then again, Sofia didn't put the dodgy guys on camera.

Please don't give Fetzer any screen time, he richly deserves to be cut.

It looks very impressive.

Yes, it would be wise to remove Fetzer.

Griffin....

and Hordon would be excellent additions.

If you've got something relevant to replace him...

Fetzer should DEFINITELY go. What he has been doing could really be an "inquiry-ender" to a lot of people. If I had come across Fetzer's "casual behind the scenes" with Paula Gloria as my first "truth" video, I would have had a VERY hard time "waking up" after seeing that wing-nut shit.

Fetzer should be cut, for sure. There must be someone else who is on the level that can go in...

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

boom shakalaka!

boom shakalaka!

yes

I concur

This is fucking great!

This is fucking great!

Kudos

Looks very impressive...

I was especially impressed with McMurty's previous presentations...

"Why the Facts of 9/11 Must Be Suppressed:
Understanding the Ruling Group Mind Behind the War Without End"

http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=19290
Streaming Audio from "Guns and Butter" at KPFA

See also http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id390.html

Some excerpts:

“The problem of denial runs deep into the collective psyche. The anomaly to be explained is how, in an open society of cynical market calculation, the most evident facts of ruling group gain at everyone else’s increasing expense can be so successfully suppressed. “I can’t believe that” is the sign pointing back to the block behind it. … Something deeper than regime propaganda is at work. Those who believe that the in-group running the US national security state could not possibly be involved in 9/11 are, by self-admission, no longer connected to fact and truth.”

"Political history since 9-11 deepened the mystery of the mind-lock whose wider meaning we investigate here. Despite a subsequent record of years of spectacular lying about Iraq by the Bush administration, still the mass media, foreign affairs respondents and opposition critics blinkered out the accumulating further evidence for a strategically constructed 9-11 attack – for documented example, the anonymously blocked F.B.I. investigations before 9-11, the ignored intelligence warnings from many foreign state agencies beforehand, and the immediately prior visit to Washington of the CIA-advised Pakistani intelligence (I.S.I) paymaster of one of the lead hijackers. 42 Even the fixed reference points of physical science were ignored in understanding the steering event - most evidently, the massive steel infrastructure collapses whose instant fall from plane impacts alone, or none at all, contradicts the laws of engineering physics. 43 Here more paradigmatically than the unrecognised war crime itself, a structure of denial and projection somehow decoupled elite and public consciousness from the evidence. We know Church authorities would not look through Galileo’s telescope to examine the astronomical facts, but in this case the ruling group-mind embraced entire societies, while the this-worldly evidence which it blacked out was against the interests of almost all of its community of thought. The consensual refusal to see beneath any known calculus of advantage or exchange was anomalous. Only group-mind operation provided an explanation. 44"

"The documented details will not be repeated here, but they are impressively massive in confirming, and none disconfirming, the long open pathway to the attacks and a continuing consistent stand-down of investigation since. When all of this faultless sequence of coincidence working continuously in one direction and in favour of one vast payoff matrix was followed, in turn, by a stonewalling of questions by everyone at the top on whose watch 9-11 occurred, still no public questions arose. Everything before 9-11 and after it that bridged the forbidden meaning across it was disconnected from the event. When such a chain of coinciding actions and reactions all consistent with one explanation alone is so systematically blocked out by all around and delinked at every joint, there has been a shut-down of reason that needs to be explained…."

Footnote 22: Terrorism is defined by the standard world insurance clause to exclude liability as: “an ideologically motivated act or acts including but not limited to the use or force or threat of violence or force, committed by or on behalf of any groups for the purpose of - - instilling fear in the public or a section of the public”. So far as I know, no-one has applied this definition of terrorism to the daily acts of the U.S. and Israel in countries they illegally occupy, although these actions fit the legally binding definition.

"No problem of life destruction can, in any case, register to a group-mind calculus because nothing of value exists beyond it."

"... a continuous process of adapting facts to the ruling paradigm, as opposed to adjusting the ruling paradigm to accommodate the facts."

"Clinically, psychiatry knows the disorder of narcissism well. It observes the defining propensities of autosuggestive hysteria and disconnection from reality - apt descriptors for daily television on “America at war against terrorism”. But the unifying disorder is writ within and across the group-mind so it cannot be apprehended from outside its own field of meaning. When psychopathic, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders explains, further and more disturbing properties of mental disorder are revealed. The self lies glibly, manipulates others, is parasitic, and denies all responsibility for destructive actions. The clinical definitions of the narcissistic psychopath and the market religion of America correlate too perfectly to ignore. They are as microcosm to macrocosm, ego to group-mind, but the shadow subject is not seen. For the first rule of any group-mind is that it cannot adopt itself as an object of critical reflection. This is the distinguishing nature of its self-referential circle, and its consequent life-blindness….

Deep in the American psyche, the fear turning back to conquer the Other which is always perceived to threaten it, lies the self’s final definer in a world of dark forces waiting to attack. At bottom, it may be said to be the deciding will of the group-mind of America - “I can kill, therefore I am.” Where is this equation not the propelling determiner of America’s historic identity across races and ethnic identities, past and present, and in the 9-11 era operations across the world? The power to kill the other bridges self-assertion across image and reality, law-abiding patriots and gangsters, the good and the bad alike….

After the 9-11 attack on the U.S., the meaning of “we can kill, therefore we are” was reborn as the patriotic will. Yet even after 9-11, the heroic stature of America calls itself into question when the killing of the Other is by industrial bombs falling eyeless from the sky on poor populations and their basic means of continuing life without disease and death. Although all that may matter to this moral universe is to show “We are Number 1 in the world” and “only the free market can provide freedom and democracy” - still the saturation bombing of a defenceless and impoverished people provokes uprising beneath the group-mind regulators of meaning. The life of humanity refuses the offer that can’t be refused. Even although there is almost no popular form of American culture that does not bear the undertow meaning of the master longing – from hunting other creatures to kill them, to the mock murders of wrestle-mania and video-games of shooting others in droves, to the kill-‘em language of America’s favorite sports and the pervasive violence entertainments on living-room screens, to the government of the most populous state by a movie robo-killer - still, something snaps out of the field of group-mind submersion. It may take a generation to unfold - but the end is already written on the mind-lock that cannot tell the difference between the life and death of others.97

At bottom lies the unseen equation of U.S. armed force to America itself. If America is at war in “a war without end”, then the equation rules out its life modes of peace. No received economic metric can see this problem, let alone measure it. Market growth is the only metric of social health visible through the regulating market prism. With no social life but consuming market selves against the Enemy, “we can kill therefore we are” becomes the American collectivity which is nowhere else allowed to exist. The armed force of US is in unobserved fact the only collectivity willingly funded by taxpayers since tax-cut government began. All other pooled resources for nation-state action are “socialism” to the group-mind. In the only national collectivity supported, the esprit de corps of America becomes beneath understanding the boot-camp and the killing fields of others. “We can kill, therefore we are” joins market selves in a thousand points of light. The sky-lighting bombings are “our credibility in the world”.98

This is why the Democratic Party, otherwise unaccountably, abdicated from its responsibility to oppose once the parameters of the “war against terrorism” began - affirming with “no daylight between us” the criminal invasions of other societies, the emptying of the U.S. Treasury, the systematic abridgement of legal rights, and the waiving of environmental laws for the military.99 Society-staggering increases of public expenditure on weapons of mass destruction displaced vital life needs on every level."

Downvote just to shrink...

But yeah, McMurtry is whup-ass.

This piece was

elegantly stated, lots to chew on.

But I think you can explain a lot just by invoking concepts like "conformity." People are afraid to be called "unpatriotic." In addition, people are afraid to call a spade a spade in part due to genuine fear. Some other people have the ability and willingness to kill, bribe, blackmail, and spin on national media and, if enough people hold their tongues, it's over, folks. I don't think that this is all about "national culture" -- that is a mentality that blames the victim, at least to some extent.

But then again, people here probably do think that it's okay to kill others in other countries who are defined as somehow less human, less equal than we are (i.e., who don't share our religion/tribal affiliation), in order to maintain our way of life (i.e., keep the oil coming).(Well, that's why Americans think we're fighting; in truth, of course, some [poor] Americans are fighting so that other [non-poor] Americans or multi-national corporations can amass greater and greater resources.) That there is no draft probably helps to foster denial. Maybe Rangel is right - we should have a draft, then the wars would be over immediately. But in times of war, the forces coalesce to get people to think of the enemy as the "other" -- as not deserving of empathy, respect, or even a hearing.

The powers that be (gov't and military) do know a lot about the psychology of persuasion, how to get people to hate, and how to get people to kill. Believe it or not, killing another human being is actually a universal taboo. The "kill rate" in all wars up to Vietnam was abysmal - around 16%. Most died in previous wars due to disease. To get people to kill you have to get them to see the enemy as less than human, and at the same time reinforce the ties binding each soldier to his little family of soldiers serving with him. People always defend their families. The kill rate in Vietnam was 76%. (Thank you, video games, behavior modification, and something called 'successive approximation' for that.)

I teach college students, most of whom have no idea what is going on in the world, don't read anything not assigned to them, probably don't even know the names of the people in power (except the pres and vp), let alone the history of this country since WWII. It's discouraging. Many of my colleagues are similarly ignorant, although very well versed in their own arcane (and useless) fields. But hey, as long as we can have our chardonnay on the weekends and can rent a good flick and gas isn't too high ...

I am ashamed to be an American. I'd get out if I could. Still somehow I'd hate to think that there's something endemic about us as Americans; maybe I'm just as externally directed as this essayist implies -- willing to blame the bad stuff on forces (the gov't) outside myself. In truth, perhaps a gov't like ours couldn't have taken power without us being willing, passive accomplices. Fat and happy. Bush's willing executioners.

I'll be interested to read others' reactions to McMurtry's essay.

Please no...

Don't leave your country, work to make it better for you and yours. Trust me, ignorance and apathy are everywhere in the world.

"ignorance and apathy are

"ignorance and apathy are everywhere in there world." Ignorance maybe, but apathy is primarily concentrated in the western world, where minds are drowned by American Idol and Nike sneakers. Most others don't have the luxury to be apathetic.

You're right.

I stand corrected... I just hear so often "I'm so sick of being American, I'm going to move to Canada where everything is better and all people care" when it just isn't true, unfortunately.

NAU.

Canada is going down in flames with the U.S. I lived in Toronto for about 3 years, and I'm moving back there in about a week. Toronto definitely felt much more connected to the rest of the world than the U.S. I grew up in Florida, and it is HORRIBLE there. TOTALLY like you're living in a bubble or the Truman Show or something. As far as I know, all the major Western countries are being turned into police states, right?
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

When you're in Toronto, make

When you're in Toronto, make sure you check out http://www.toronto911truth.ca, lots of good stuff going on there.

I will be seeking out

ways to channel my restless energy. For sure.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

although very well versed in

although very well versed in their own arcane (and useless) fields. But hey, as long as we can have our chardonnay on the weekends and can rent a good flick and gas isn't too high ...

Arcane and useless fields. SO dead on. Chardonnay... This is my friends to a "T".

There is a YouTube interview featuring someone named Norman Dodd, who talks about how certain tax-exempt forces like the Carnegie Foundation had been conspiring to infiltrate the U.S. education system since at least the 1930's in order to integrate us with the Communist giants of the East. Seems to make sense now. I would not at all be surprised if the education system has been tampered with in order to "cow" intellectuals into "arcane and useless fields". All their energies and genius wasted or manipulated to serve the ends of empire.

I am ashamed to be an American. I'd get out if I could. Still somehow I'd hate to think that there's something endemic about us as Americans; maybe I'm just as externally directed as this essayist implies -- willing to blame the bad stuff on forces (the gov't) outside myself. In truth, perhaps a gov't like ours couldn't have taken power without us being willing, passive accomplices. Fat and happy. Bush's willing executioners.

Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

well if the dastardly plan

well if the dastardly plan was to dumb-down universities and see to it that we have too many PhDs in far too many arcane fields, then their plan worked!

Tried to find Norman Dodd -- there is a 5-part series on foundations. I will take a look -- I always wondered how it can benefit people (aside from tax evasion) to create foundations.

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Truth Enrichment

This film looks to be the substance for intellectuals serious about Truth, an emerging awareness of a reality and the power structure of the world which is much different than previously believed. The era of a few holding immeasurable sway over the masses is over, the former rulers out of the shadows. I can't wait to see this.

You're wrong, Zwicker....

CIA never authenticated the December 2001 Osama video.

Funny isn't it? The confession video isn't authenticated. The others are.

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Links

While most of these people seem to be mild-mannered, the Shadowplay site links to the neutral page of the 'scholars site' - meaning half of all the people clicking on links are going to Fetzer, Wood, Reynolds and Siegal - and it also links to the hoax film Pentacon, which suggests a "flyover theory" that not a single person on the other side of the Pentagon would have noticed a large commercial jet flying away over the building. and that all of the damage done to items at the scene was faked ahead of time, among other ridiculous claims.

The ridiculious "flyover theory".

I don't believe I've seen this 'Pentacon' film you refer to, just wanted to inform you that the NTSB flight data supports this 'ridiculious' theory. Check it out here - http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

Agree with you on everything about the scholar's site

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I will be waiting for the release…

The CIA supposedly found a video tape of Bin Laden laying claim to 9/11 but, wouldn’t that be ‘hard’ evidence if it were authentic?
I mean, the FBI has not found ANY ‘hard’ evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11.
The FBI statement alone should cast doubt on the CIA’s video tape.

I've seen the rough cut, and it is truly excellent! This film...

does more for helping us and non-truthers to understand the why and the how of 9/11 and the ”war on terror” than any previous documentary to date. Bringing a world view to us in a new way.

It also is appealing to the older viewer but still extremely hard hitting! It pulls no punches that is for sure!

I won't say too much about it at this stage except that I will be putting a considerable amount of money up for it's production as I think it will definitely make numerous film festivals and the mainstream in Europe, Canada and possibly the UK and Australia.

I really think this one is very close to bullet proof, although at this stage It dose have a small interview with Fetzer (what he says is relevant and accurate).

The only two small disappointments for me in the rough cut is that there are no interviews with Griffin or Hordon which would be nice, I think! I am a very big fan of Robin Hordon’s recent explanations of the changing FAA/NORAD protocols in June of 2001 and I think this is as important to exposing the truth about 9/11 as Steven Jones’s work which dose feature in this film.

How important do you all think it is that Fetzer is removed from the bill of SHADOWPLAY?
I think Gillian would like to know how strong the feeling is against this man that is now sooo.. yesterday! This time could be better spent!

Kind regards John

WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!

The sight of Fetzer

will cause vomiting, so please include a barf bag with every DVD. His image will kill the movie and erode the credability of anyone associated. Just my feeling.

That 'firewall'

'I think that this film has the potential to erase the "firewall" between the anti-war Left and 9/11 skeptics.'

Let's analyze this statement, shall we? Aren't '9/11 skeptics', i.e. disbelievers of the OCT, pretty much uniformly opposed to the administration's war agenda? That's certainly been my perception. So basically what we have is that, within anti-war circles of opinion, there's a split between, on the one hand, those who have both familiarized themselves with the evidence regarding the implausibility of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 AND who understand that its widespread exposure as such is vital to making any headway against the current regime; and, on the other hand, those who still essentially buy the official account of 9/11, and are anxious that open skepticism towards it can only weaken the antiwar movement's chances of success by making it look 'crazy' in the eyes of the rest of the public. WE have not shunned the issue of ending the occupation of Iraq--certainly not that I can see; no one needs to explain the merits of the antiwar cause to me or any thruthers I've known. The 'firewall', if you want to call it that, was thus placed there by that part (unfortunately large, it would appear) of the antiwar crowd that is pro-OCT. So what this film has the potential to do, accordng to the statement excerpted above, is to persuade pro-OCT antiwar activists that they've been wrong in their acceptance of the official 9/11 story (and that just maybe they ought to start treating us with a little respect for a change).

Hmmmm...erasing a firewall by means of persuading the very people who erected and maintained it in the first place that they were wrong to have done so. I wish the film success in that regard. But first, there's the matter of getting such people to watch the film--since they're the ones who need it most. Then they might begin to see that at this moment in history, the fundamental dividing line isn't ultimately between anti-war and pro-war, or left and right, but rather between acceptance and rejection of the official 9/11 story.

Gillian Norman...

...is keeping an eye on the comments section of this thread.

People making donations to the film should know that Norman has lots of great footage from Tarpley, Ahmed, Ivashov, Chossudovsky, Zwicker, etc.

She was considering putting more of that footage in and bumping some other interviews out of the final cut.

Fetzer just got bumped.

Good to hear.....

I have never been a fan of Jim Fetzer. I have been ripped in the past for being critical of him, but I believe my concerns have been warranted. ESPECIALLY, after reading the new book he edited called "9/11 Mysteries". This book is easily the most poorly documented, worst written "9/11 Truth" book out there. I was embarassed for the movement when reading through it.

Otherwise, the lineup in this new documentary is fantastic! I am glad to see that Chossudovsky, Zwicker and Tarpley are in the film! Of course, having DRG in the film would be great. He is still my favorite Truther.

"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey

Looking good, but

heres another call to remove Fetzer. It doesnt matter if what he sais in *this* movie makes sense or not.
we all know where 'Fetzer in the spotlight' leads to...

Remove Fetzer.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't know WHAT the man is up to, exactly, but he is not working for 9/11 Truth. The director should be aware that for many people, myself included, inclusion of Fetzer in events or films is a deal-breaker (that is, an insurmountable obstacle to offering support.) This film looks fantastic and I will do everything I can to promote it in my area but PLEASE remove Fetzer.

That's good news!

Kind regards John

Show "Lots of Fetzer hate on" by Inphoman

Oh, please just give it

Oh, please just give it up.

TV fakery = error.
Holocaust revisionism = error.
Anti-semitism = error.

Israel is a criminal, terrorist state, and I would disagree profoundly with Mike Ruppert there.

Fetzer has been playing games since day one - it is obvious that he's seriously confused and needs to re-think his life.

And just because the left gatekeepers don't go near controlled demolition or MIHOP doesn't make them all intelligence agency plants. That's the kind of thinking that makes outside observers assert that we deserve the "paranoid conspiracy theorist" label. Have you considered the possibility that they suffer the same kind of psychological denial as most people? Or perhaps they're just stupid? Who knows? Assumptions that they're plants are unfounded silliness, in my opinion.

more intentional than errors

>>TV fakery = error.
Holocaust revisionism = error.
Anti-semitism = error.

Actually, TV Fakery is likely an intentional disinformation campaign effort (no errors involved).

Just wondering, are there any "we don't know what hit the Pentagon" comments in this film? That's one of Fetzer's favorite areas is to insist the hole was 16' wide.

Because otherwise it looks great.

I saw that tonight

I saw that tonight at the Bloor St. Cinema where toronto911truth.ca was hosting the documentary . It is another must see for anyone who follows the 9/11 truth movement.