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Greg Palast Discredits 911 truth - Calls Steven Jones a "fruitcake"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r2oFTiEpIBQ

Greg Palast displays his complete ignorance on 911 truth. When the interviewer asked about WTC7, stating that it was not hit by any planes, Greg Palast replied: "I saw the planes hitting the buildings!" - and then say "we've looked at this, there's nothing to it."
Like we're supposed to take his word for it? If he doesn't even know what WTC7 is, we can't trust this guy.

What's the timecode where he

What's the timecode where he talks about 911? Don't feel like listening to the whole thing.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

It is not clear whether he meant Steven or Alex, I think Steven

Greg says Dr. Jones.....Come at me Jones!
This is sad and disappointing. I have like Greg a while, but what a tool.

9/11 talk starts 10 minutes in

Jones stuff is at 20

http://www.thesonsofliberty.us

"Come at me Jones"

Sounds like an invitation for a debate. That would be interesting.

What does Palast have a degree in?

I love how these journalists get off on criticizing as "fruitcakes" people like Dr. Jones who has a PhD in physics or Dr. Griffin (a Professor Emeritus). What does Palast have a degree in? Typing? Does he even know the many years and rigorous mental discipline it takes to get a PhD? He probably spent his entire undergrad career barfing at keggers and dancing to Fleetwood Mac.

Squirming 101 - Obviously he didn't take any debating classes

He blatantly contradicts himself several times in one sitting! He looks like a complete fool.

Here is a video from YouTube of just Palast's 9/11 comments - and a little humor at the end:

http://thefilter.ca/articles/911/greg-palast-on-911-controlled-demolition/

Barfing at keggers

And singing bad karaoke covers of Jimmy Buffet songs. LOL!!! He should go on that celebrity impersonators show after he is discredited as a journalist.



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Show "Has a degree in Economics from the Univ. of Chicago" by Peggy Carter

yeah, but then you believe

yeah, but then you believe in cartoons and space beams so im pretty sure of what your opinion means to most here. can i ask what religion you practice if any? im gonna go do a google search on it and get back to you on how fucking absurd it is. believe me, its not hard. so tell me Peggy, what religion do you practice? afraid to tell me? you have no problem bashing Jones' religion so tell me yours so i can do a bit of research on how plausible it is.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

The real problem with S. Jones

The problem is not that Steven Jones has a religion, probably that of his parents, like most people. The problem that arises on most public forums where his scientific 9/11 research is presented, is that people read on Wikipedia that Jones is convinced there is "scientific proof" that Jesus came to America! People write about it in any discussion about his 9/11 research, and also write about his part in the cold fusion fiasco, and he gets instantly discredited.
S. Jones does not have the scientific authority of a Nobel prize.

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

scientific proof? he really

scientific proof? he really claims that? im not going to pretend like that isnt a problem though, that is a good point if true and goes beyond just practicing religion. no offense though, but Wikipedia isnt good enough for me. if you can provide me with some verification that he thinks he has scietific proof of this i would appreciate you dropping the link here. and the cold fusion thing isnt a real problem to me, i think he did a fairly good job of explaining that one.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I can't see anything on

I can't see anything on Wikipedia about Steven Jones claiming there's scientific proof about Jesus coming to America.

But if it's true, it's definitely not a good thing for our movement. We need to get lots of more scientists involved, so it's not so easy to discredit a few individuals. It's almost always possible to find some weirdness about any one, if you look hard enough. If there are 100's scientists agreeing on something it makes the debunkers' job that much harder.

Google

In Google, type: "steven jones" america jesus
It seems he wrote a paper called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

ok, claiming evidence and

ok, claiming evidence and claiming scientific proof are 2 very very different things.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Let us play with words! :D

Evidence means what for the scientific mind of Steven Jones, according to you?
What you fail to concentrate on is what happens when the name of Steven Jones comes up in a public forum. People google his name, find what they find, and he gets ridiculed. Can't you face reality?
I find his 9/11 research interesting, I watched more than one of his videos, I listened to him on the Alex Jones show several times, I thought he could greatly help us convince a lot of people, but I saw that it did not happen unfortunately, mainly because he is far from having the credentials of an atheist Nobel prize. I hope we get some Nobel prize winners on board though! Maybe we should try to contact all of them!

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

whos playing?

evidence does not always equal proof, thats all i said. so if Jones didnt have that research in his backround, you think that CNN etc. would have him on and treat him fairly? you think the mainstream scientific community would touch evidence of controlled demolition of the towers if Jones didnt have that in his backround? you think politicians would pay attention to the evidence if not for Jones backround? you honestly believe all that?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Read again!

You are suddenly talking about CNN and politicians.
I very clearly wrote specifically about public forums and what I witnessed happened almost every time.
If Jones uses the word evidence for Jesus in America, how do you expect people to take him seriously if he says he has evidence of a controlled demolition. Jones is far from being the most serious scientist on this planet, unfortunately. He is kind of loony.

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

seriously? because i only

seriously? because i only come across this problem with well known debunkers who dont really want to look at the evidence anyway. look, i agree, it would be much better if this wasnt in his backround but i hardly think its as big a deal as you make it out to be. "kind of loony" huh? tell us how you really feel......

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

It starts about half way into the interview

FYI, Shigawire, Palast is talking about Steven Jones, not Alex Jones. But he may as well have said that the entire 9/11 truth movement are "fruitcakes". What a piece of uninformed garbage that guy is.

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-Dr. Frank Greening

Thanks, I was torn between

Thanks, I was torn between whether he meant Alex or Steven.
This is my first post here, can I edit the blog title?

Very curious though that he praises Alex Jones so much, while playing down Steven Jones.
AJ or someone like him needs to take action on this..

Shigawire

"To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen."
-The Amtal Rule, DUNE

Because of their mutual friend

Jack Blood, just a hunch.

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I'm waiting to hear a response from Jack about this

I posted this on his message board earlier today:
http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13675

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

CattleRustler, Jack posted his thoughts about the situation...

on his message board yesterday. It should help clear up any questions you or others might have....
http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=74808#74808

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Hey Shigawire

Yeah you can edit your blog. To do this, just click on "edit" at the top of it. Then just replace the name "Steven" for "Alex" in both the title and the body of the blog and then click "submit". Warning though, if you do this the blog won't post right away. We'll have to wait until one of the 911blogger staff members sees it and posts the updated version.

(FYI check to see if it's been corrected before you try to update it, though, because sometimes when the staff isn't too busy, or drunk or whatever (LoL) there's a chance they'll notice innocent goofs like yours and correct the mistake for ya)

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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

He praises alex because he

He praises alex because he goes on alex jones and sells hundreds of thousands of books from that. What is the reasoning behind the steven jones comments? If A... a guy is a mormon, then B, it is impossible for him to be a good scientist? I'm no champion of mormons, but this guy is a twit. The way he slipped that religious stuff in there like it was the last scientific project jones worked on just destroys any pretense to character this worm has. I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to put him in the jews against 911 truth category. Also, I read his book. The evidence he presents for disenfranchising black voters is weak at best. I wanted to believe it when I got the book, but was not convinced. He's a twit.

we see the same thing

Exactly. I'm sure he has a book coming out soon. You can bet on seeing him doing the rounds once again to make his dollar off discontent.

I too was not impressed with his book The Best Democracy....

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

No thanks

"I hate to say it, but I'm going to have to put him in the jews against 911 truth category."

No, probly not a good idea to open Pandora's box. "Jews" is a contentious word that draws too much negativity. Besides, he's not basing his view on 9/11 on his religious heritage. So why are YOU making it an issue? Red Herring within an otherwise great post.

Seriously where does the Jew thing come from...

Greg Palast has found some good things in the past. I was opened up to the idea of 9/11 Truth through a connection I made with someone about his first book. He is now obviously schilling for someone. Palast has discredited himself as a journalist. His religious reference is just silly and out of place. The religious remark is a fallacy and of course discredits Palast (just like all the other ignorant stuff he spews here). However, what does Judaism have to do with it. Why are we making lists of OCT believers in certain category's. That becomes racism pretty quickly.

http://www.thesonsofliberty.us

My point had nothing to do

My point had nothing to do with judaism or religion of any sort. The simple fact is, that many left gatekeepers, and many people who have complete control over how much, and in what way this story is covered in the media happen to be jewish. Is it racist, or anti simitic to make note of their disproportionate representation in the media or as political activists? Jewish folks are certainly aware of it, and justly proud of it. There is certainly an underlying zionist bent to all neoconservative philosophy, whether from the jewish side, or the evangelical side. 911 truth does not bode well for neoconservatives, it doesn't bode well for the media, because they've covered it up so much, and some of the first people to be called into question at the outset of any real investigation would be people like Larry Silverstien, as well as the people called into question in the Israeli art student fiasco covered by fox news so long ago, and seemingly by accident. When you ask who benefits from 911, your answer should make what I said more clear. I'm certainly not implicating all jewish people by what I said, I'm just saying if I controlled the media in this country, and someone broke a great story with tons of great sources that had found that macedonia and its people were to some extent involved in 911, I might want to use my control of the media to make sure that the people who had found this out looked like insane kooks, no matter how valid what they were saying was. Why might I do this? Because peoples opinion of macedoinians, and therefor, of me.. might change considerably for the worse.

very good points, important to make them clearly

While being Jewish does not mean you are in any way responsible for what other Jewish people do, neither should it mean that you be unwilling to consider that some of the world's worst criminals and terrorists might well be Jewish (in name at least). When prominent Jewish intellectuals like Noam Chomsky who we KNOW should know betetr refuses to even consider the possibility of 9/11 not being the work of Arab Muslims, one can only wonder if it is his fear that Israel is in fact implicated that keeps him from admitting the fact. Same for Rabbi Michael Lerner who accepts that there are unanswered questions about 9/11 but says in the breath that he firmly believes Israel was not involved. That attitude simply feeds anti-Jewish feelings because the clear insinuation is that while Arab or other Muslims would be capable of such a horrible crime, American and/or Israeli Jews would be INcapable of it, which we know is not true--evil people come from all backgrounds.

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Daily Kos is apologizing to Palast...take it one step further...

Then, this morning there was a thread about "the Big Lie", which I had noted was the 911 events and cover-up, but which they want to think was the real reasons for the war on Iraq. I had to respond and applaud the progress - see below... Also used the 16% link from 911Blogger, without atttributing...sorry but you know those guys?!

I think Kos will come around, because there is really no intellectually honest alternative...

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Daily Kos post, 6-3

The Big Lie today, elct'n fraud consp'cy ystrdy!? (0 / 0)

...it seems DKos is moving in the right direction!!

I posted something about the Palast thread 6/2 that actually brought up the BIG LIE concept, but in reference to the BIG LIE that has caused America to be so easily duped by the Bushian War on Terror...the Big Lie that over 80% of Americans question (http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13469).
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"The intent behind the cover-up is to deny you the "verifiable evidence" you think essential to the credibility of this site. A tightly woven cover-story, protected by the veneer of fear and faux patriotism, is by definition, a conspiracy theory designed to prevent the consideration of "verifiable evidence".

"Wake the FUCK up, DKos, and realize that the Bushites, led by Rove, Cheney, and the Neocons, and the Far Right, are up to their necks in every sort of conspiratorial effort to dismantle the America we know.

"Consider why they are having the success they are, too...a conspiracy to terrorize America...all based on the BIG LIE!!"

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American Exceptionalism is dead, and brave people all over the world are removing the cloak of denial to seek justice. The BIG LIE is bigger than the reasons for the War on IRAQ, and it will be used to justify perpetual war.

Let's hope it's not too late...

Styve

REVOLUTION is in the air!!

"Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest." - Benjamin Franklin

Kos and intellectual honesty

'I think Kos will come around, because there is really no intellectually honest alternative...'

Doesn't this presume that Kos has the quality of intellectual honesty? What indications have there been to this point that he does indeed possess this quality?

Show "Palast himself is Jewish by birth" by Peggy Carter

I think you missed the

I think you missed the entire thread. Go back and read it again.

Show "Agreed Palast is a Twit. He's also a sick grandiose liar." by Peggy Carter

Steven Jones is no scientist?

What?

B.A. in Economics does not equal Ph.D. in Physics

Peggy seems to think that some one like Greg Palast with a B.A. in economics has the ability to asses the qualifications of someone with a Ph.D. in physics, a subject which Palast has only an elementary undergrad understanding of. Peggy, we are talking here about simple controlled demolition, not black holes and anti-matter. Does a Professor Emeritus in theology and philosophy like Dr. Griffin also not have the qualifications to speak about the government myths of 9/11 also? Many scientists have religious beliefs such as Albert Einstein. Does that mean we should throw out the Theory of Relativity? As someone who has spent his entire life studying comparative religion in their original languages, in the opinion of the Rationalists, all belief systems can be broken down into detailed theological fights between those who believe in the Great Pumpkin and those who believe in the Easter Bunny, who by the way does exist, and there is documented photographic evidence that he is a 9/11 Truther as well. So busting someone's science because he happens to have faith in one or another theological systems that have arisen from the human imagination is a strawman argument at best. As a Jewish person, does Greg Palast actually believe that a violent, scientifically ignorant, psychopathic character such as Yahweh actually exists, and that the word of this deity is contained in a scripture that has no moral problem with human slavery? Time to wake up kiddies.

"the Easter Bunny, who by

"the Easter Bunny, who by the way does exist, and there is documented photographic evidence that he is a 9/11 Truther as well."

HAHA, i love it. that picture always makes me smile too.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

That's why I was careful to say, "Jewish by Birth"

I never said he had a B.A. only.

Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - "Horselover Fat" Phillip K. Dick
Sheweth Picts

Show "Alex Jones is his Friend" by Peggy Carter

Pegs...do you get dental?

Or are you just very out of touch with reality? Or are you making it up as you go, luv?

Just wondering....

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Stone me...

..hello. Someone got something to add?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

welcome back! i was starting

welcome back! i was starting to think that "they" got to you or something, haha, jk.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Glad to be back!

I'll be blogging soon about the event that made me too knackered to visit 911Blogger.

Oh and that post of mine you responded to was my attempt to speak with the 2 gits who voted me down to -1 at the time--I'm guessing Pegs and a mate of hers. Makes me a bit uneasy how comfoprtable she seems to be settling in at the site these days...

As for "they" getting me, if driving me spare by working with an idiot who wants to inject "chemtrails" into a 911event
is one of their tactics, then they had a good go at me!;-)

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Peggy talks a tough game but

Peggy talks a tough game but you'll notice she failed to tell me who she worships :-) and you know your doing something right when the chemtrail people come out and try to latch onto you. keep up the good work!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Not only is Palast a

Not only is Palast a disinformation agent, but a very bad one.

"They took it from the top to the bottom, we're gonna take them from the bottom to the top." - Dan Wallace

Years ago, I tried

many times to send Palast 9/11 material. He (and his staff) weren't interested.

I contacted him with the form 499 I

He and Alex Jones talk about a secret order to stop the FBI from investigating terrorists and it was called 499 I or some shit. I messaged Greg Palast and Alex Jones many times to provide this evidence and the 'sekrit order' but never got a response.

Can't remember the name of the sekrit order...anyone help?

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

It's "w199i"

Google it
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-Dr. Frank Greening

w199i

w199i discussed in part on track #1 here:
http://truthseeker.us/commentary2.html

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http://TruthSeeker.us

of course not, they are classic left-gatekeepers

that are very mindful to stay within the bounds of the false left-right paradigm.
They'll talk about anything and everything as long as it fits their phoney context - truly sickening. I hate these people more than I hate the lying debunkers. The LGK's are more incideous and more of a poison to everything because they help keep the populace deluded in the rigged game.

disgusting

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exactly!

cattlerustler,
I just posted a comment very similar to this, though not as eloquently stated.

Gatekeepers truly ARE more insidious than the lying debunkers.
It's disgusting to watch once you've figured it all out. And it's SO obvious.
How long will the faux left-right battle rage? So tired of it.

I really have the Truth Movement to thank for seeing the one-party system for what it is.
Disgusted with myself that I ever bought into the bullshit. The Kerry vs Bush stuff...me shouting that Kerry won in those debates! WHAT WAS I THINKING?

disgusted.

right gatekeepers suck too

On the Ron Paul threads, we get a few RGKs who show up to remind us that the Islamofascists are gonna get us and eat our babies if we vote for Ron Paul the "liberal". They know he's a "liberal" because "liberals" like CNN and Bill Maher have given him more than zero mention.

It really does feel good to reject these kinds of psychological attacks. Even better to parry them with sensible logic and facts. :-) I can almost feel the wicked witch of the CFR-controlled media melting.... melllllllltingggggggggg........

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

Some of his staff were interested

And tried to influence him privately.

Greg also believed, at the begining of the Iraq Invasion, that it was a good thing to go and save Iraqi-s from the boogyman Saddam Hussain.

He thought he was smarter than everyone else - as he always does - and thought others just didn't "get" how great a favor we were doing the Iraqi citizenry, as he did.

Did he see through it? As did many others?

No way.

Not a clue.

I'm pretty sure he was

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Dr. Jones, its even more dissapointing that he called him a fruitcake.
"There is No evidence" - I just watched Architect Richard Gage give two 2hour presentations in Winnipeg on the evidence yesterday. one was infront of a crowd of mostly architects and engineers, with only 5-10 out of 250+ not agreeing with him. Sorry Palast, you are intentionally/unintentionally LYING.

He seems a bit shifty to me.

Something is definitely tugging at his conscience (or lack thereof.)
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

He wrote a book called...

The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. I think it was released in 2003. In it he focused primarily on the stolen election of 2000. The book was very difficult to get through, though I managed. It was riddled with intracacies that would make most ADD afflicted Americans throw the book through a wall. It was a decent read though, for those with the wherewithall.

I believe it was on page 319 where he stated something to the effect of "we have found no evidence that the attacks of 9/11 were planned by or known ahead of time by the Bush administration." (paraphrased)

Ok this was 2003, presumably written in '02, so if you want to stretch credibility, you could give the guy a break and let it slide.

BUT 4 years later...with the 9/11 truth movement growing at mammoth proportions, the guy is calling us "fruitcakes"?

Far as I'm concerned, he just outed himself as an agent of disinformation. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt, but no longer.

Bye bye Greg! You've just failed the litmus test and drawn your line in the sand. We now know where you stand in relation to Truth.

he said something similar in

he said something similar in Armed Madhouse about 9/11. i agree, ive given Palast the benefit of the doubt for far too long. the problem with people like this is that they call themselves "investigative reporters" and as such it would reflect pretty badly on them that it took them this long to "get it" in regards to 9/11. it other words they cant just admit that they were either wrong or too cowardly. investigative reporters go wherever the trail leads. so that leaves him with 2 choices, admit he was too cowardly to go there or admit that he got it completely wrong. he will do neither. so instead Palast and people like him hope for it to go away and start to say irrational things like "fruitcake". your anger and fear is showing Greg.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Failed the litmus test BIG TIME.

Listen to how many times he contradicts himself and backtracks. Listen to how nervy he is. At the end it's like his software is malfuncitoning, and he's just spewing out every straw-man and limited hangout that he can projectile vomit in the last thirty seconds.

The interviewer is calm and confident, with truth and facts on his side. Palast either lies outright, or is in the last desperate throes of cognitive dissonance. I'd bet on the former.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

He wrote in his book ," No Evidence" for 9/11 hoax

Palast wrote in his book ," No Evidence" though he himself had come upon circumstantial evidence of at least a LIHOP - since Palast was given direct evidence of the order given to the FBI to back off the "terrorists" the Summer before Sept. 11, 2001. That's just incompetance according to Palast.

He also wilfully ignored, IMO , evidence around the "Suicide" of David Kelly
. He said there was "no evidence" for it despite most in the know thinking the contrary, including work mates at the BBC.

He's on the radio LIve with Randi Rhodes right now. Somebody call it. Ak. Too bad. So far no call ins.

They are raving about the outrageous "Evil" of the stolen votes. D'uh. This is so 2000.
"Can you imagine the Attorney General turning a blind eye to a FELONY?!"
"We are doing exactly what we are supposed to be doing to be good citizens."

Pat themselves on the back circle-jerk.

"Exactly how much evidence of a crime do you need to have before people pay attention?"
Good Question. D'uh!

Some people do behave oddly

Some people do behave oddly when their unconscience tells them something their conscience refuses to acknowledge. This confict can produce anxiety and often, anger (which is usually misdirected towards the person who brought up the subject).

"They took it from the top to the bottom, we're gonna take them from the bottom to the top." - Dan Wallace

In his case though,

I doubt it. He seems extremely transparent as an intentional re-direct agent in this interview. It can't be subconscious. I was actually a little shocked at how he just doesn't seem to care anymore about his credibility among the left yet seems very anxious because he realizes his "wig" is about to fall off. But one thing is certain, I'm no longer confused about his agenda. He probably comes from the same school of thought as Chomsky.

Change the headline

Palast was referring to Dr. Steven Jones, and never refers to Alex. But his trashing of 9/11 Truth is curious, since Palast was just on Alex Jones' show last week, and was gushing praise over Alex, so much that Alex had to ask him to stop, Palast was going on so much about what a great job the folks at infowars.com were doing, etc., although he as never wanted to actually discuss 9/11 with Alex.

I wonder what Alex will think of all this when he hears it,. It sure is a contrast from Palast's appearance last week, but .I am not entirely sure when this interview was recorded - we should nail down the date..

does anyone have...

this lie detection software?

X13-VSA - http://www.lie-detection.com/

I would love to run some of this crap through and see what they really think!

Don't bother with that. Go

Don't bother with that. Go look up "paul Ekman" and on his website you can order a 40-50 dollar CD that allows you to train yourself to spot micro-expressions on people's faces. You can then use that ability any time you deal with new people. It's great for getting a feel for honesty.

One other thing you can try to train yourself on is interpreting peoples' verbal responses to questions. I don't know of any resources for that but what I would suggest is watch any MSM station when they are interviewing pundits, "experts", and politicians. Pay very close attention to the questions posed and pay equal attention to the responses. With practice you can quickly parse all arguments on the fly and know when the respondent is full of shit and misdirecting attention. They may start out repeating portions of the question posed and then they will fly off on some tangent. Unfortunately the average sheeple doesn't bother with this practice, hence the constant cycle of lying sociopaths taking over countries.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)
OIL IS OBSOLETE - WAKE UP - YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO, AGAIN!
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Excellent suggestion! Ekman is awesome.

The technique works best with a TiVo. You can slow down the frame rate and really catch some goodies.

Looking at the recent Guiliani / Sabrina interchange yields a firm diagnosis of "Psycho" for Guiliani.

YouTube it?

I don't know anything about Ekman and don't have extra $ to throw at such things ATM but would be interested in a walkthrough if someone would like to demonstrate this technique using the vid of Rudy the Recycler.

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

Contact Greg Palast

No offense. But won't do any good. Waste of time.

He's an imperivous-to-reason self-righteous anus-mouth.

If you try to treat him as though all is in good faith, he will laugh at you and waste your time.

What's it gonna be?

First you say he's intelligent, seemingly defending him, and then you say he's a twit and an anus-mouth. What's it gonna be? I also never said in my original post on this thread that Palast wasn't intelligent. That wasn't my point. Obviously he uses his intelligence to craftily lie and make money. Intelligence doesn't mean you are a good or truthful person. Heinrich Himmler also had a B.A. in economics from the University of Heidelberg, and by the way, the University of Chicago is the institution that gave us Leo Strauss and his evil progeny like Paul Wolfowitz, so saying that someone graduated from there doesn't automatically give them a lot of moral credibility in my book.

Yea he's intelligent. And morally impoverished.

I merely said what I knew of his academic credentials. He studied with Milton Friedman, got an advanced degree.

Someone had asked what were his academic credentials.

Yea, the Univ. of Chicago has a pretty good reputation. As well as a reputation for turning out fruit-cakes.

I never said he had moral crediblility.

My citing his intelligence relates to his picking on Steven Jones - who I think is a weak link. As I said.

Palast is sharp and knows how to pick the weak spots. His instincts are that of a demagogue, and he's more than clever enough for that.

In my opinion, he doesn't so much lack moral credibility as simply exhibits an narcissistic need to be loved by the public and be loved and envied by those "above" him (or "above" him when he was struggling) in the social and economic heirarchy.

He'll manipulate people. But instead of being an outright demagogue, he sticks to "researcher" rather than "activist." He is tasteful enough to prefer the "sophisticated" people to love him - and that won't usually happen much if you are an outright demogogue. But he has that tendency to crowd please.

Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - "Horselover Fat" Phillip K. Dick
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Very interesting interview.

I used to admire Mr Palast. He has provided a lot of good information during the years.

After listening to this interview. I can only come to the conclusion that this guy is a disinfo agent.
His tactic must be to give some bits and pieces of useful information and steer away from the big issues.

I hereby declare Palast as outed as a disinfo agent / controlled opposition.

Palast is in the same boat

Palast is in the same boat as other left wing disinfo control agents as Chomsky, Cockburn, Monbiot, Goodman, Franken, et al. Row away into obscurity and irrelevance my friends.... row far, far away........

It could be that, of course. But I am agnostic.

There is also a very strong chance that his little heart quavers with the thought of being a "real" talking head for the Networks.

He thinks maybe he cannot because his looks are not white-bread enough for it.

He may also not "get" the Media control issue, and not understand the "zero tolerance for Truth," (even for Greg's watered-down version of it), policy of the Defense Contractor owed televison machinery

I may seem to be apologizing for him, but in fact I believe him too foolish and flawed to serve directly in an intelligence capacity. I am open to being wrong, but "stooge" is a better fit, IMO.

Everybody's afraid to say something that could ruin their career. Especially if it was hard won.

The point made above about Greg left with only two hard choices, "too stupid to get it" vs. "No courage to get it" means he's stuck with his naysayer role.
The only way that will change is if all of a sudden Greg finds some thermate under his pillow, gets religion, and breaks his "Exclusive" on 9/11..900 trillion K years after everyone here knew what was up?, ..'bout the same time the Sun becomes a Red Giant.

He's not even a "hangouter" It's pitiful.

Front page?

Personally I think this is front page worthy. :)

This man is a liar.

Listen very carefully.

It's not a question of belief, it's a question of whether I have any other information. And I have no... and... Look, I've gotta tell you, Lenny, I'm just kind of stuck with this one. I... I'm an investigative reporter. If I haven't investigated it I can't report on it. All... Then, then I'm just giving you my goofball opinion. I'm not an engineer, I'm not a physicist, I had an office in the World Trade center, but that's all I can tell you. I can tell you what I've found which is that they couldn't look... You know... To me, you know, I mean I see, like everyone else, you see the picture looks to me like planes hit the building, and... but.. You know, and my information... Umm... Doensn't comport with the idea that, that, of like a controlled demolition. We have looked at that, and I'm sorry if people are upset about this, but we spent a long time very, very seriously looking at that and... That just didn't happen.

So you can't report on what you don't investigate, and you're just stuck on the topic of the 9/11 inside job? You'd just be giving your goofball opinion? But you also spent a long time very, VERY seriously looking at it and you seem to be saying with authority "that just didn't happen". So which one is it Greggy? You're not an expert, you're just a goofball? Or you're the authoritative last word on this subject? This statement contains multiple self contradictions. Notice also the nervous stammering and the sly insertion of the "no planes" straw-man. "...you see the picture looks to me like planes hit the building..." Who said they didn't, Greg? All the main proponents of the controlled demolition argument say that the planes hit the buildings. And many of those proponents ARE in fact engineers and physicists.
http://www.ae911truth.org
http://www.stj911.com
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Wow... By blood is fucking boiling right now. I was going to continue to transcribe that and further pick it apart, but now I see that there is no need. He descended directly into blatant, easily refuted lies and sophomoric name calling.

You know what though, we can definitely use this. Palast makes a complete ass and liar of himself here, and this can not only further tear down the last cobwebs of the official story, but it can also begin to expose the Left Gatekeepers for the slime that they are.

Take my transcription and my commentary to all the "liberal" blogs like Daily Kos. Feel free to add more comments of your own. We should jump on this, because the lies here are even more blatant than the Neocons', and SO easy to refute.

"I haven't seen any engineer..."

"You can posit other theories, but that we can't prove either..."

"Controlled demolition I could rule out. And... I'm sorry... it just rules out."

"It takes two years to wire a building..."

"There is ZERO EVIDENCE..."

"You can have ballroom dancers..."

Wow. Listen to him crumbling. I shouldn't have to say any more. This idiot just made a huge mistake. Bon appetit, Truthers. Tear this one up.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

The fact that he used the

The fact that he used the no-planes strawman without even being asked about it is interesting. It shows that he's well-versed in 911 "truthology". It also means that he's lying through his teeth. Disinfo or coward? I don't even care at this point. No more excuses. If you can't admit that the OFT is full of holes you have no business labeling yourself a "progressive" or "intellectual" or "journalist". You're just another whore for the establishment.

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2 years???

2 years to wire a building, huh? Wonder where he got that information.

He's limited hangout at best, disinfo at worst.

Excellent debunking

Excellent debunking of this creepy guy. Wish some truth squad would confront him with it. Or Alex Jones should take his gloves on the next time Greggy comes on his show to promote a book.

More of the same

'So you can't report on what you don't investigate, and you're just stuck on the topic of the 9/11 inside job? You'd just be giving your goofball opinion? But you also spent a long time very, VERY seriously looking at it and you seem to be saying with authority "that just didn't happen". So which one is it Greggy? You're not an expert, you're just a goofball? Or you're the authoritative last word on this subject?'

You said it! His song-and-dance is just like that of Chomsky and Cockburn with respect to the JFK assassination--admitting that they hadn't looked at evidence undermining the Warren Commission's conclusions, but vouching for those conclusions all the same--and arrogantly dismissing all who took a contrary view.

On this topic, again (as I've done before here) I include a link to a most interesting discussion--pre-9/11, but still highly relevant post-9/11:

http://www.questionsquestions.net/documents2/conspiracyphobia.html

Can we get this footage to Richard Gage?

"There are NO engineers..."

Please, Richard, take five minutes to chew this up and spit it out. If we make the effort to step on this bug, Chomsky won't be too far behind.

Palast really messed up here. He just set the ball up for us to spike it. He makes so many easily refutable statements here. A thorough disection and solid refutation of the asinine comments in this interview will topple the house of cards in the minds of thousands of "liberals".

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I sent him these links. Turd won't look at em though

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Website for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Pilots for 9/11 Truth

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

Scholars for 9/11 Truth

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Patriots Question 9/11

http://www.911blogger.com/

911blogger: The latest TRUTH about 911

No, I want Richard to see THIS video.

This idiot says "there are no engineers..". If we can get an official statement from Richard Gage and some of his associates on this, it will be very damaging to the OCT and the Left Gatekeepers. Palast makes a fool of himself and contradicts himself multiple times.

HELP US CRASH THE LEFT GATE, RICHARD!!!
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Agree. This is actually a

Agree. This is actually a great opportunity. Greg is a darling of the liberal left. Richard should take him to task for his ignorant comments. In doing so he can discredit the whole gate-keeper community while drawing attention to the growing number of engineers, architechts and other experts who believe the towers were demolished. A paper on this subject, were he to write one, would become a sensation in the liberal blogosphere.

Anyone have Gage's email?

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I'm sending a message...

through the ae911truth website. If anyone has a direct line to Richard Gage, please make sure that he sees this video and reads this thread.

Help me make this happen, guys!
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Bravo

I'd watch with glee if the left gatekeepers start to eat crow pie. I hope their careers take a hit along with their credibility. Spreading disinfo on purpose protects the criminals for murders done in the past and encouages future acts to occur. Journalists who cannot be honest ought to work in another profession where they can't hurt anyone with their lies.

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http://911blogger.com/node/8914

Front page please!

Please post this on the front page...this is an important activist-discussion. Just change the title from "Alex" to "Steven"!

One of my only critiques of 911blogger (besides the inexplicable link to killtown) is the lack of regular discussions about the left-gatekeeper movement.

911blogger does ok there......

no lack of the that around here from what ive seen. in fact i get attacked kind of regularly, even around here for calling out Chomsky on JFK and 9/11 and his whole history of obfuscation and outright lies. you dont get more "left" than Chomsky as far as false idols go.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

"in fact i get attacked kind

"in fact i get attacked kind of regularly, even around here for calling out Chomsky on JFK and 9/11 and his whole history of obfuscation and outright lies"

I find that hard to believe. Blogger is absolutely the best at recognizing fact from subtle lie. I'm not saying it's 100% spot-on every time, but pretty dang close. In fact it's blogger I come to when I'm sick of successful disinfo tactics on other sites and especially messageboards. But I've never seen blogger get anything wrong on Chomsky and leftgatekeepers. It's just not brought up enough, at least on the front page. This article is no exception, apparently.

i didnt say 911blogger

i didnt say 911blogger attacked me for it i meant that some posters around here do. sorry for the confusion.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

ah ok

Conversely, I didn't mean blogger itself, more the general consensus, which is very astute at deciphering lie from reality. My apology as well.
But I'd say that anyone who gave you crap around here for linking Chomsky to 'gatekeeperism' was probably disinfo.

haha, it certaintly changed

haha, it certaintly changed my opinion of this person, thats for sure. lets just say that some of his fans are loyal to a fault. it becomes a problem for me when they start to make all sorts of excuses for him.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Try a Google search

For example:

Chomsky gatekeeper 911blogger

Then you might try:

Cockburn gatekeeper 911blogger

For my two cents, I haven't been disappointed with the amount of attention this site gives to the topic of left gatekeepers.

Greg

Greg is as worthless as Democracy Now! (a place he always seems to visit) - left gatekeepers to the extreme. The whole Ron Paul censorship in the media is a perfect example of how Democracy Now, and Greg Palast, are nothing more than gatekeepers.
Neither have run a story about the media blackout of Mr. Paul, so how can we expect them to do anything other than discredit the movement?

At least Fox News is in your face about it. These guys are even more complicit.

The guy in the past has knocked on the U.S. press' approach to "reporting," stating it's "he said/she said" [which I agree with]...
Oh, the irony of this guy criticizing ANY media outlet.
He's just another part of the establishment - whose job it is to make us think that free speech exists in this two-party system where it's Democrats vs Republicans!

Greg, we figured out there's only one party in this country. You can stop the bullshit.

The Greg Palast Industrial Complex

He's a master self promoter and appeared on numerous programs nationally such as Democracy Now and Air America and locally at our Pacifica station KPFK to promote 2nd edition of Armed Madhouse. He runs through the same spiel each time he appears. Scripted message? He advertises on Air America and runs print ad in the Nation magazine. He's done great work exposing caging lists used by RNC to restrict people from voting. I will give him credit for this work which might potentially bring down Gonzo and Turd Blossom.

Kudos to the interviewer for asking these questions. All of the various investigative reporters need to be confronted because they are doing the country a huge disservice for NOT DOING THEIR JOB.

I think we need a web site devoted to the statements and misstatements of the left gatekeepers regarding 9/11. These are people that are well respected, well researched, and get it EXACTLY WRONG. I find it quite amazing. They tow the party line in order to be published, invited on the media, etc. In some ways their writings and entire premise is base on knowledge which is FALSE. Therefore they must maintain the myth.

Here's a list of my favorite gatekeepers: Robert Scheer, Chalmers Johnson, Robert Fisk. Greg is just one of the bunch of gatekeepers which are full of hubris and stupid.

Chalmers Johnson may be coming over to the light soon.

A certain, very high profile, member of the truth movement is in dialogue with him and is undoubtedly making progress.

I finished reading the third book in Johnson's "Blowback" series, Nemesis, and it is amazing how well 9/11 truth fits right in with the analysis he puts forward. Much better than his own blowback thesis regarding 9/11, in fact.

I'm hopeful that he will be coming out publicly before the end of 2007.

Let's not waste too much time and energy on the "left gatekeepers", just make note of who still hasn't gotten it and keep putting the relevant facts in front of them and their public.

However, if they go out of their way to insult us, then we should feel free to ridicule their obvious ignorance (e.g. Mr. Palast).

We already know we have to be our own media and we're doing a pretty darn good job of it.

Keep up the great work, brothers and sisters.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

I'm reading The Sorrows of Empire right now.

Johnson makes a brief comment on 9/11 in it, something to the effect of "9/11 came like mana from heaven to the neocons". He also talks a lot about how the neocons, and the democrats, have been militarizing the country, well before 9/11. I haven't detected any "gate keepering" in Sorrows.... Is he trying to shore up the OCT in Nemesis?

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

hooo boy!

That might make for some interesting times ahead on the Ron Paul/Rudy Giuliani book tour....

I've not read these books myself, but I have thought about OCT/LIHOP/HIHOP/MIHOP and how these different views compare and contrast, as well as where they each plug into a broader view of modern history. Seems to me that the interventionist/blowback foreign policy sets the stage for a credible 9/11 OCT. Without "our" meddling "over there" there truly would be no rationality behind a Muslim fundie 9/11 attack, whereas the blowback concept does provide a basis for the intelligent person to reason out why "they" would do it. In that sense, looking at it more broadly than just 9/11, this kind of foreign policy is dangerous not only for precipitating actual blowback, but by providing contextual cover for FFT "faux blowback" ("fauxback"??).

Thoughts?

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

Woohoo!

thank you kindly sirs and ladies at 911blogger!

He's a BBC anchor. (Duh!)

He's an American on British TV anchoring for the quasi-government propaganda organ BBC.

How does one get such a job?

Not too long ago, I came across an article where a BBC insider told about MI6 and CIA having offices right in the BBC to monitor everything that goes out, and comes in.

Palast gets a free pass on the fake left because he goes after BushCo.

I've tried to talk sense to this pussbucket for years. Not gonna happen.

He personally gets direct evidence of terrorism investigations shut down -- bin Laden family members in Virginia -- and his first job is to spin it away like it's just about Saudi oil money. Couldn't possibly be anything more there. Move along, nothing to see here.

The guy is an elite member of the controlled international press. He has to work very hard to keep the critics fooled. As usual, 9/11 is the litmus test to seperate the fish from the fowl.

I love that uninformed "goofball opinion" becoming "very, very" involved investigation in the space of a few sentences. That is the tell in this little episode.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

Accidentally sent to him?

Palast claims to have gotten his hands on about 500 of the "missing" Karl Rove emails, which he says were accidentally sent to him.

Wait, WHAT?

Yeah, he seem to get the

Yeah, he seem to get the most amazing scoops on everything from the voter fraud, motivations for war in Iraq, and Karl Rove etc.
I'd even say that his W199i isn't that credible now when you look at it, and frankly W199i is insignificant compared to the plethora of other evidence.

Shigawire

"To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen."
-The Amtal Rule, DUNE

W199i

I have never been able to actually see this document because every place it is supposed to be online, it is so blurry you can't read it.

Maybe it's visible in Palast's book, but I won't be buying one, so I guess I'll never know.

500 emails - Greg Palast explains on AJ

Greg explained this on Alex Jones show May 24th. Greg said he had problems about getting a case on the air, therefore he called AJ to be on his show. Greg got the 500 emails because he had set up several domain names similar to official email addresses (domains ending with .org instead of the offical .com etc.)
The Rove buddies supposedly then sloppily had typed in the wrong address when sending off a bunch of emails, ending up at Greg/BBC's fake domains.

Download this AJ show here:
http://nw0.info/files/Radio/Alex%20Jones%20Radio%20Archive/2007/May/aj_2...
20 minutes interview with Greg starts at 1:11:15

This whole case and one of the emails is according to Greg shown in the newest edition of his book Armed Madhouse.
Anybody got the book?

I don't believe he has the computer sophistication for that!

Likely Story.

More likely they were passed to him.
Be fun to check the domains and see who they are registered to.

Well, why don't you go do that, luv...

I'm sure your mates Rick and Nico would be happy to help--Nico brags about havinmg the means and technology; should get you results right quick.

Some may be wondering why I'm riding you. Thing is you're doing a bang up job of sounding(mostly) on the level. Considering your wacky past and present, I'm wondering why the "best foot forward" and all.

Check it out: http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ewing2001?id=3448

That's just one of many interesting results one gets Googling "Peggy Carter 911". Now I've been agnostic about Pegs for some time. "She's just a sincere misguided soul" I told myself --a bit starry eyed over the Haupt machine. Then, after that wee wanker posted his "killtwoofers" masterpiece, and I needed to get a message to him, not only did you ignore my very civil request on your blog, but you deleted all evidence of it. That's when my opinion of your "innocent haplessness" changed.

So here we are, me responding to a fan of Fetzer who's trying to sound reasonable. Guess my point is, fine, hang about, play nicely if you want at this site---but you're not fooling anyone.

Be seeing you...

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Hmmm/ I don't remember deleting your post.

Hey Col. Jenny,

Your Post Is Still There

Did you post something else that I never did see, please?

Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - "Horselover Fat" Phillip K. Dick
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Kay, my bad.

Not that I';ve checked the link, mind--I'm taking your word for it while I fix dinner. I'll check later.

But I do remember having a bugger of a time finding comments. Could be a browser problem. I won't hold it against you--probably.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Couldn't Understand What you Were Talking About

That's why I didn't respond.

I was supposed to deliver some message to Nico?
UH, not always easy. And had not been following the imposter dramas.

Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - "Horselover Fat" Phillip K. Dick
Sheweth Picts

"I was supposed to deliver some message to Nico?"

Not saying you were "supposed" to do anything--I just asked nicely ...and you said/did bugger all.

"And had not been following the imposter dramas."

Then how do you even know about them, sunbeam?

Let's try this from the top: YOU are a mate of Nico's, possibly a good friend. Your mate(if only on-line) has expressed a deep frustration and desire to find out whom is agravating him. Mates help each other out. Being a mate, you'd want to help Nico out. Hence, on hearing I might have info you know Nico wanted, as Nico's mate(someone who wants to help him out), you might be inclined to pass said message along.

Least that's how it works in my reality. Maybe things are different in your universe.

Don't sweat it--I found another way to contact him...though maybe he's not so concerned these days. Bit busy managing "911Clowns", I hear. Oh yeah, he's all class, he is.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Palast is in the same boat as Daniel Hopsicker...

Listening to that archived interview with Hopsicker from Alex Jones' library gives one the same impression. They are feeding information to the alternative media and even 9/11 truth community (via Alex Jones in particular)- even as they steadfastly refuse to connect ALL the dots with respect to 9/11. But more damningly, they seem to- at least on occasion- take potshots at credible figures in the Truth community. If they weren't so smart, one might just assume they lacked the capacity to comprehend the big picture in its awful glory. But because they are both sharp fellows, it is difficult not to conclude they are- for reasons unclear but nevertheless obnoxious- engaged in dishonesty.

left gatekeepers

I think calling them left gatekeepers is beng generous. Chomsky rails against "framing the debate" and does the same thing himself. They are shameless shills. Palast and the rest haven't seen any evidence because the refuse to look. They are exactly like little children that cover there ears and whine "nah nah nah i can't hear you"...... when having to confront some awful truth.

But he DID look

He said so himself! And he found no evidence that the twin towers were demolished by explosives!!
The guy is a liar. Period. It's not that he's naive or ignorant of the subject, even though that's what he at first claimed, before taking the position of the authoritative reporter who "knows about these kinds of things" and to just shut up because there's nothing to see here.
God I wish the interviewer called him out on that contradiction.

Yep. Should have called him.

This is another thing truthers need to be doing. Don't let it turn into Hannity & Colms, but if someone puts a lie out there, you need to knock it down WITH FACTS! You definitely should not have let this slide so easily. This is Orwellian journalism. We need to pull away from this false paradigm that the fascists have created. In REAL journalism, you don't air lies, and if the guest lies, you either call him on it on the spot, or add something at the end that corrects his lies.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I used to think he was ok

He's a gatekeeper, only interested in corruption if its Republicans.

"The governments would never kill its own citizens" As many 9/11 deniers put it

RELAX!!!

Everyone here talking all this smack should listen to Palast's interview with Alex Jones from last week (link below). Listen to the first 15 minutes or so and you'll understand why Palast says what he says about 9/11; he's a mainstream reporter and he's just trying to keep his job while getting out as much info as he can. Listen...

http://www.truthring.org/?p=4155

"trying to keep his job"

"trying to keep his job" isnt good enough when he not only ignores 9/11 but takes shots at those of us who dont. Palast fucked up on this one. people like me are not gonna let him forget this one.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

re: "trying to keep his job"

Did you listen to the interview?

no i didnt and when i went

no i didnt and when i went to the site it seemed as if you cant fast forward or anything. im at work right now and can only listen on and off so would you mind giving me a quick rundown of what he said about 9/11 and why hes silent on it? thanks man. (and im actually someone who owns a Palast book or two and greatly appreciates the work hes done on voter fraud and sort of gave him a bit of a pass on not confronting the 9/11 lies. i cant give him any kind of pass anymore if hes going to call someone like Steven Jones a "fruitcake". hes going to be sorry he said that.)

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

"he's just trying to keep

"he's just trying to keep his job while getting out as much info as he can."

You could make the same argument about virtually anyone. I am often willing to grudgingly accept this excuse if the individual in question simply remains mum on the subject or acknowledges some of the anomolies without going full out MIHOP (even then, I lose a great deal of respect for said individual) -- but to ATTACK 911 truth and label us "fruitcakes" is completely unacceptable.

Palast has served himself up as the sacrifical lamb of the left gatekeepers. The timing couldn't be better. With Architechts and Engineers for truth now onboard, we have a chance here to completely demolish the left gate. Palast is a far bigger darling of the left than Chomsky ever was; in fact most (mainstream) liberals hate Chomsky for the simple reason that Chomsky spends just as much time attacking (modern) liberalism as neoconservativsm.

We should run this one big time.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Just emailed the ae911truth

Just emailed the ae911truth website.

I encourage others to do the same. Copy and paste Consciousness' transcription from earlier in this thread and stress how Palast is a darling of the liberal community. Time for Greggy to reap what he has sewn.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Thanks for the back-up, Danse.

I sent a message to ae911truth and got a reply form Richard. He liked the idea of tearing Palast a new one, and said he'd try to get someone working on it. A few more votes couldn't hurt.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Show "Good points but I think" by The Conspiracy ...

I'm just trying to keep my job. I'm just following orders...

Yeah, that's what they all said at Auschwitz and Buchenwald too.

Palast, Hitchens, Cockburn.....

Palast has fallen victim to the seduction of media fame. Like his media brothers, Christopher Hitchens (supports Iraq invasion) and Alexander Cockburn (now contesting global warming in The Nation), he has become so full of himself that that is clouding his judgment. Sometimes I think the left gate keepers are more harmful to the truth movement than the rabid right. Too bad. If you could bottle Palast's ego, it would be enough to sicken an entire nation.

BBC Palast Lies About 9/11

Here is the current 9/11 article:
BYU Physicist Confirms Demolition
Cutter Charges At World Trade Center
http://home.att.net/~south.tower/911Jonescuttercharges1.htm

We send Palast all of our 9/11 articles so he knows what happened. He works for BBC so need I say more. One email we received said 'interesting' and then added do we want to buy his latest book. We think his work is poorly researched and don't recommend it. Another phony Brit that sells out his readers.

Boycott

He's an American, not a Brit. But I hear ya. I think we should boycott the man from now on. Let him FEEL it where it hurts: Profits.
I bought his "Armed Madhouse", but I'm through making excuses for these people. Time to make them feel the actual -financial- influence of this community.

Shigawire

"To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen."
-The Amtal Rule, DUNE

Bookburning anyone?

This would be the ultimate media event. Grab you favorite book by a left gatekeeper and toss it into the fire with cameras rolling in a public setting. Say why this particular book has it all wrong. Of course the biggest book burning should be reserved for the 9/11 Commission Report. Seems like a great event to do at (book) burning man.

Sends the wrong signals

Book burning is something you associate with oppressive regimes like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

But I liked the events where they made some big copies of the 9/11 (C)omission Report, with big holes in them like Swiss Cheese and threw them into the water.

BULL -- SHIT!

"Book burning is something you associate with oppressive regimes like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union."

Nonsense. Very few people today were ALIVE when the Nazis and Stalin were burning books, and they certainly weren't there witnessing it. This is a crapola excuse for not using one of the most potent symbolic protests we have.

Burning your OWN book is called free speech. Use it or lose it.

"But I liked the events where they made some big copies of the 9/11 (C)omission Report, with big holes in them like Swiss Cheese and threw them into the water."

That nobody, nobody, nobody out in the real world saw or heard about.

Fuck that inconsequential pussying out.

Actions.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

[shudder]

i've argued before on this forum (with respect to Chomsky in particular) against the idea that these left-gatekeepers are somehow knowingly in on the conspiracy to cover up 911 truth (in the sense that they've been convinced by the evidence as we have but refuse to admit it). i must admit that performances like that one by palast are almost enough to get me to reconsider. jesus, what a dodgy prick! it seems like he's on speed or something, all manic self-promotion and superficial ass-kissing, but with as much humility and substance as a crooked car salesman. that sort of sales schtick in someone who puts himself forward as a great defender of truth and justice is just immediately suspicious to me. but i still think the best explanation for this sort of curious avoidance of the 911 evidence is neither cognitive dissonance nor the idea that these guys are really somehow "working for the other side". there is no limit to these guys' capacity for cynicism, so i don't think the idea that elements of the government made 911 happen would cause them that much cognitive dissonance. and the idea that they are "agents" gives too much headway to real whacked out conspiracy thinking.

i think they are trying to avoid cognitive dissonance, but not that involved in coming to accept MIHOP. rather, they're worried about the cognitive dissonance that would be involved in losing their enormous prestige and influence and the financial advantages that accrue from shifting warehouses full of their books. its all about capitalism and ego, same as it is everywhere else. that's why they can't have the sort of open, democratic conversation at a grassroots level that they argue for ethically. its a lot more subtle with a bigtime, dour intellectual like chomsky. the sales pitch is more carefully modulated. but with palast the spectacle is plain and disconcerting: a public figure arguing vehemently against the egomania and injustice of capitalism while completely caught up in and exploiting to the best of his ability the very institutions and patterns of behaviour he's supposedly arguing against. what goes missing is the sort of humility that really does pose a threat to the voracious greed that's destroying our species.

the exposure of this world-historical scandal will change the landscape of radical thought, and the heirarchy of radical thinkers, profoundly. the left-gatekeepers don't want this to happen. nobody wants to go from a position of profound influence to one of complete irrelevance overnight. they have a deep, repressed fear of this eventuality. and so they simply avoid looking at the evidence. its not that hard to do. you just don't pick up the books or visit the websites. they justify this to themselves by telling themselves that it really is beyond the realm of possibility that such a complex operation could have been pulled off with nobody coming out to spill the beans. monbiot has produced a good roundup of the sort of considerations that can be used to justify a refusal to really look into and THINK THROUGH the conglomeration of facts that have been painstakingly collected and collated. i imagine people like chomsky running through the list of such considerations in his head each time he drags a 911 article that has come into his inbox to the trash. these people are DEEPLY institutionalized. even though they argue against the status quo every day, they have carefully hidden and very real motivations for preserving it. that doesn't make them agents working for the people who pulled this off. but it does mean we can't rely on or even expect their support.

Good points Joe. I also

Good points Joe. I also shudder when people refer to Chomsky or whomever as "agents for the illuminati". It's far more discrediting to our cause that anything the screewloosechange pricks come up with. We paint ourselves as quacks when we label anyone who shuns 911 truth as "part of the conspiracy".

I'm sure there are a few honest-to-goodness "agents" running around in the alternative media -- "the Nation" magazine leaps to mind -- but we should try to focus on the evidence rather than individual personalities. (It's tough though, I find myself pulling the "disinfo" card from time to time too.)

If we do insist on making it about personalities, there are plenty of all-too-human explanations for the behavior of the gatekeepers, as you point out above. Cowardice and social status are foremost.

The reason I think the Palast episode is important is because we can use it to promote Architechts and Engineers for truth while simultaneously discrediting the gatekeeper world view. That doesn't mean I think Palast is an "agent", merely that his idiotic comments can be used as ammunition.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

He's an agent of some kind...

The guy is one of the last great investigative journalists. There's no way he doesn't know something is very fishy with the official 911 story.
At the very LEAST he should be jumping all over the inconsistencies with the official lie.

THe fact that he says "fruitcakes" proves he's a gatekeeper....no doubt at all.

The guy's a tool. If he kept his mouth shut or changed the subject, then I might have thought that he was just trying to save his job.

I'm not saying it's outside

I'm not saying it's outside the range of possibility, just that there are also a number of fairly mundane reasons for explaining the behavior of gatekeepers. I don''t think we should assume right off the bat that Palast or Michael Moore are "agents" when they might merely be too chickenshit to tackle the issue.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

yeah

I agree with you that there are many ways to get mislabeled as a gatekeeper.

Lets Build a Website that Documents this Crap

We need a site that documents the left gatekeeper nonsense...say a database like that maintained by the community at Cooperative Research. (I contact them to pose this idea). There have been a lot of books written since 9/11. We need to collect the published mis-information to document the hubris and debunk it. We need to hold the left media to a higher standard and just might change their tune quickly if they are so identified. Any web guru / information architects what to give this a whirl?

Excellent idea!

Excellent idea!

see oilempire.us

They have an extensive section on gatekeepers. Some content will of course be controversial.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

illuminati?

Nobody is claiming that.

A: Greg Palast is very intelligent, is one of the best investigative journalists around. Very well connected and works for the BBC and had an office at the towers.

B: That 911 was an inside job when looking at the facts, is so totally obvious that no one can miss it.

This is a huge discrepancy, especially in the light of his behavior in this interview.

Institutionalization

I completely agree. I do think these people are ironically just as institutionalized as the media system they are attempting to expose. Chomsky is always concerned about "the bounding of debate." Of course, Chomsky states that we're all hypocrites, including him. I doubt he knows the extent of his own hypocrisy though. All of these Left gatekeepers seem to be locked into a mode of thought, while stating the same of others.

Though parts of the mass media is indeed bought and paid for, I don't necessarily think everyone who oppose the truth is a paid agent. Perhaps Greg is a conscious well-paid agent, perhaps not. No current information can allow me to discern the veracity of this. I think institutionalized thought is underestimated. Plus, I do think there is the matter of him being a BBC reporter, where I'm sure there are financial interests leveraging him not to fall into the 911 rabbit-hole, and I'm sure he treads carefully so as not to jeopardize his job in the BBC.

However, with all these highly courteous excuses made, it needs be said that enough is enough when he performs an uninformed ad hominem attack on Dr. Steven Jones who, not only is a meek and humble individual, but who's done an enormously vital job on the physics of this.
Mormon or not, I didn't even have any idea he was a Mormon, nor do I care. Mal apropos, I happen to think all religious conviction is irrational, so why attack this brilliant man on his particular brand of organized irrationality, while ignoring the very pertinent points he make? Pure ad hominem.

There must a slap on his fingers for this.

Shigawire

"To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen."
-The Amtal Rule, DUNE

He's a Liar. Period. (As someone said above.) Is Spot On!

Greg is not on the payroll of BBC. They buy his pieces sometimes. He's free lance.

He says he "works for the BBC" because he has a big ego and wants to sound important.

He also said his film showed at "Sundance" when it was a theatre *next door* to the Sundance Festival, the same week.

Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - "Horselover Fat" Phillip K. Dick
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Greg Palast: A fox out the Alex Jones click

Jesus, after reading Greg's investigative news for years, most "truthers" have no idea Greg Palast is the Journalist who exposed the
911 Stand-Down articles first and foremost. Now, for a man to be hated so much by Republicans, I find it hard to believe Greg did a great job at the "Stand down" order on 911, but does a HORRIBLE job at exposing the Controlled Demolition of 9/11. "Guys, we've already been there theres nothing to it." Greg has fallen victim to either ONE:
The MONEY GOD. or TWO: Fallen victim to Harassment by the obvious forces at hand. Greg is a sellout. And I don't care if Alex Jones, or whomever likes him, nor the fact that his last blockbuster exposed the Concentration Camps the Katrina victims have been sent too. Greg, you-are-a-sell-out. There are plenty of journalist, politicians, ect. who have even died for the truth; and you fall victim to threats.
One less reader, and admire of your work.

Even a blind man could tell explosions were going off around the buildings. Why can't you Mr. Native New Yorker?

Greg's W199i vs Sibel Edmonds?

Greg's W199i document (whether genuine or not) is an ant compared to FBI Agent Sibel Edmonds and her comprehensive testimony pointing to similar facts in a much more comprehensive way. The only picture Greg has given us of this w199i was two pages overlapping eachother. What gives? Too much work to scan them seperately? What do these sheets of paper tell us? Not much.. if anything. Besides, they talk about something happening in 1996, so that would involve Clinton, not Bush. Link -> http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/W1...
On the top sheet, observe the following:
"02/23/1996 and closed on 09/11/1996 on ABL because of his relationship with the WORLD ASSEMBLY OF MUSLIM YOUTH (WAMY), a suspected terrorist organization"
*ABL = Abdullah Bin Laden

Again, how does this useless piece of paper compare to Sibel Edmonds testimony?

I'm sorry folks, but at this point I feel like flushing anything Greg Palast has said about 911 out the airlock, like in those Alien movies.

Shigawire

"To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen."
-The Amtal Rule, DUNE

What's with Alex Jones?

Why is it that A. Jones doesn't call these guys on their avoidance of the truth? I would love to see / hear any media outlet that debates these people. They are invited to talk about their book, but its largely expository and rarely explores or confronts. "how can you write that given what has been debunked...?".

Why is it OK for A. Jones to have these guys on the program and not try to get to the bottom of things? Yeah, this sounds like the Bill O'Reilly noise machine, but we are here to get to the truth not the best spin.

Like others on this thread have said, the gatekeepers should occupy a special place in hell for their lack of curiosity, cowardice, etc. But I believe the media watchdogs that only focus on mainstream media and not the left media especially when the left media gets it wrong should be sent to hottest place. FAIR, Media Matters, PRwatch, Media Dissector fit in this category. They do an enormous disservice when the left media gets it wrong.

David Ray Griffins new book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" may be seminal and the start of entire movement. There is one media watchdog that understands 9/11 truth and that is Project CENSORED which deserves our support and should by offered up to the gatekeepers when they feign ignorance.

Greg covered "Stand Down Order"? IN the recent book?

Hey Macross,

Do you have the cite for his investigation of the "stand down order," please?

As far as I remember he only covered the FBI "stand-down" of the Summer. And otherwise never addressed 9/11 at all.

Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - "Horselover Fat" Phillip K. Dick
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Palast is scared to talk about 9/11

It's obvious that Palast is afraid of either losing his job or life when 9/11 Truth comes up. Just look at his reaciton, his voice changes, he starts sweating, his throat clogs up, etc. BTW, they don't use dynamite to blow up buildings and it doesn't take more than a few days of installations to get the job done...as was documented by Forbes and other eyewitnesses days before 9/11.

Armed Madmen

I tried to read the book and listen to the Audiobook. I had to give up when Greg Insisted that Bin Laden had confessed to "Pulling off 911" - I believe he said the tin foil hats who believe that the first video with the Fat Bin Laden are delusional.. It Really is Bin Laden..

He's not a reality based journalist.

I couldn't take anymore of his journalism serious after that statement.

Thank You Consciousness

Thanks Consciousness.

You're parsing of that was very helpful . . . I wish you would parse out more.

This is a revelation to me. I never realized how this left gate keeping worked.

But this is a perfect illustration of how it works.

And WTF does an "investigative reporter" have an office in the WTC? Something smells funny.

Thank You Consciousness

Thanks Consciousness.

You're parsing of that was very helpful . . . I wish you would parse out more.

This is a revelation to me. I never realized how this left gate keeping worked.

But this is a perfect illustration of how it works.

And WTF does an "investigative reporter" have an office in the WTC? Something smells funny.

Show "Palast freely admitted to" by dogster

disagree

Couldn't disagree more.
It's really none of our business to judge a man's scientific studies on his religious beliefs. On the surface, Christians could be similarly judged for believing that a man existed that multiplied fish, created wine from water, raised the dead, walked on water, and ROSE FROM THE DEAD! I mean, any religion could be mocked extensively. It should never be used to judge a person's output - as long as he's not saying things like "well, my God agrees with me on this - it's thermate."

And the total pulverization "MAY" be the real smoking gun? It IS a smoking gun - perhaps the most obvious.

Great minds are often Compartmentalized minds

I think you are right. It's none of our business what religious beliefs he has. The human brain has an uncanny ability to compartmentalize and perform both irrationality and rationality, without the two conflicting with each other. The brain has been evolved with compartmentalization as a major dominant quality, for example automotive activity is segregated from conscious planning, though we do have the ability to combine the two (martial arts f.ex.), but that's more thanks to the incredible elasticity of the brain and the potential willpower of the human brain. A man can be an utterly brilliant scientist, and at the same time hold some other crackpot idea. The one doesn't necessarily discredit the other, and those who say that it does are avoiding the big questions by attacking ad hominem. It's pathetic, and only helps discredit those who do this.

Shigawire

"To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen."
-The Amtal Rule, DUNE

If Stephen Jones was a raving lunatic

who walked around naked, grunted like a pig and ate only live grubs, you would still have to falsify his theory of controlled demolition.

Many powerful people with vast resources would like nothing more than to falsify this theory. They have not done so.......because they can't.

Spare us the ad hominem crap about who you have a hard time placing confidence in and falsify the theory or shut up.

Show "What on Earth?" by MRMcClure

not that at all.

He calls Jones a "fruitcake" and a "complete and utter fraud."

Twilight Zone episodes were much more subtle. His comments are BLATANTLY discrediting the movement.

Him saying the Government's explanation is "false" could simply be him saying that they are lying to cover up their carelessness and getting caught with their pants down during the worst terror attack in US history.
He's in the "Government F'd up" camp. Nothing is further from the Truth Movement. He's too skilled an investigative journalist to NOT see things our way.

This interview apparently happened May 10

According to http://www.innworldreport.net/

This is a full two weeks before Palast appeared on Alex Jones' show, praising him. Did something happen to him in those two weeks, or is he just a two-faced con artist?

Some links about the dependence of independent media

http://www.questionsquestions.net/index.html
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/index.html
http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/
http://www.oilempire.us/bogus.html

My take on Greg Palast: I have listened to him on Alex Jones many times, and my memory tells me that he could not tell the truth about 9/11 publicly to keep his position at the BBC, but that privately he agreed with Alex.
Now I do not know anymore! But obviously I do not like what Palast says about 9/11. I really would like to see inside his mind. Is is CIA or is he someone who wants to keep his comfortable money-making position as long as possible?
On the other hand his documentary about New Orleans is extraordinary and proves that the powers that be in Washington and in New Orleans deliberately killed more than one thousand people to make money. Watch it:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7721859326791373209
My opinion is that this documentary can greatly help people see that the powers that be kill their own people to make billions. After watching it, people who until now could not accept that 9/11 was an inside job, may be much more permeable to the truth. It may be easier to accept that the powers that be kill poor and black people, it almost seems obvious, whereas it may be more difficult to admit that the powers that be killed thousands of wasps in New-York (I know there were not only wasps, but on the whole it looked like it).
Now Chomsky. Chomsky's books about power, about the media, about US foreign policy are stunning and full of convincing and enlightening facts, and he agrees about some conspiracies inside US borders, for example the conspiracy against the Black Panthers, but he denies others like JFK and 9/11. On the other hand he says that voting is mostly useless at the national level, and that as long as we do not take control of the economy, as long as we do not replace the power of the shareholders and of the bosses with direct democracy inside companies, we will be slaves and prisoners of the powers that be, because they can move their billions to any country at the speed of light, in case we elect a good and honest president. Alex Jones never really adresses this nor the core flaws of capitalism. He just rants about communism (as if it capitalism had not defeated communism), like his John Birch society lunatic father.
If you read the Comments on the Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord, you will see clearly that the powers that be used Italy and France as laboratories for the experimentation of a new kind of domination over people, that took what worked best in USSR and in the US to try and enslave people more efficiently. The way out of communism and capitalism is clear: it is direct democracy. Chomsky talks about it. Alex Jones never does. He believes in a pure capitalism that works, that does not get corrupted, but he does not clearly say how to achieve this miracle. And he denies man-made global warming. He could well be a puppet of Wall Street and oil multinationals, a right gatekeeper, or CIA. CIA is the creation of Wall Street, their main goal is to protect Wall Street, and help it grow, so Alex Jones' criticism may be a way to defect criticism away from the essence of capitalism, and to make people concentrate on conspiracies but not the central one, the capitalist one.
My point: nobody is perfect! Use what everyone brings to the table to advance truth and awareness!

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

911 Bashing

I have a question and i'm all for truth no matter the cost, but since he does work for BBC and they have been caught knowing in advance that building 7 was gonna come down and reported it early. Does anybody think that he might have to bash 911 truth so he can keep his job at BBC. If he gets canned at BBC he won't be as powerfull in getting the information that he gets out, But like all things time will tell and i'm sure alex jones and others will find out what is going on. I'm not saying what he did is right or justifiable and i am not in anyway trying to make excuses for him , but like other journalists that alex jones has talked too has said
off camera to him that they know 911 was an inside job but they had to make him look like a conspiracy nut and couldn't agree with alex jones on the issue cause they would probably get fired. Greg palast does seem like a underground entertainment media whore, but who knows. I wish he never said any of those things cause now all of use are gonna be making up conspiracy theories about is he a M I 6 agent, he bashes 911 truth so all his books are now crap, again who knows and time will tell, i hope, cause i did always like greg palast and now everybody is gonna be skeptical of him and alex jones' judgement. Excuse me if some of this didn't come across right cause i'm a terrible writer.

Journalists are not free

I guess it was in his book about propaganda that Chomsky wrote that many journalists he knows explained to him that they wait until the right opportunity (like a huge scandal) to get out some truths, facts, investigations that they knew they could not get published on a normal day. And we all know that the corporate and state media all agree on one thing: the official story about 9/11 is untouchable, it is taboo to even doubt it.
So journalists who would publicly doubt the official story would risk their careers. For real.
It is all like a game with precise codes. So if we look at it from this perspective, surprising Palast by asking him about 9/11 can only have one outcome: he must talk like his BBC boss would talk, or his boss could fire him.
On the other hand if he made a lot of money with his books and videos, he could take the risk of getting fired. But then he would only receive publicity from Alex Jones, so he would make much less money. Is he willing to take that risk?
Or is he CIA, in charge of ridiculing the truth about 9/11, to prevent too many liberals from embracing it?
How do we find out for sure?

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

WTC7: Palast on Randi Rhodes, 6/1/07

Palast is making the rounds again today talking about US attorney Tim Griffin resigned today. I heard Palast on both Randi's show and locally on KPFK here in Los Angeles. While Palast was on the line, Randi went through a list Bush administration anomalies and mentioned BUILDING 7. Palast didn't say a word. Randi gets it but apparently not Palast.

I guess

that Palast is trying to marginalize himself from the Awakened. He has succeeded. Any lingering doubt about whether this man is a friend of Truth has been eliminated.

What a great collection of posts

I haven't been here but a few times — quite a while ago.

A very high level of quality in the thought processes in this thread, generally speaking (oy! as if I didn't have enough reading to do!) I just read thru all six pages!

Palast's recent blitz certainly appears to be useful, say, to Conyers and his committee. Could that be a bone thrown to the left, setting them up to "think" they are winning, ie., with Hillary coming in as tag-team-mate in the "good cop" side of a "good cop/bad cop" routine, and Bush-Rove-Cheney being thrown under the bus (all staged like Kenny Boy Lay's death, who is probably sunning on some island right now, as Timmy McVeigh is supposedly in South America)? Oh, maybe, maybe.

But equally, maybe Palast is scared of losing his job; maybe he's not acting the part, but really is grossly full of his own admiration, or, maybe he's just overblowing his memorized delivery ("not the sharpest knife in the drawer" — I must have heard that line from him on twelve different talk shows in the last two weeks!) out of an altruistic hope that more people will get the idea that Rove is the bulldozer of crime and treason, and raise the needed groundswell.

But Tarpley's denunciation of Palast on his weekly Genesis World Report spot (Thursday) was so venomous that I don't dare take it lightly, because I revere Tarpley so highly. But he also reviles Gore, and I'm still (don't hit me!) holding out hope for Gore, and I'm not at all convinced that Global Warming is a hoax, 'scuse me all to hell. . . .

AND I cannot dismiss the DEEP puzzlement that I have about the "toasted cars" seven blocks east of the WTC on the dark day.

Alex and his circle dismiss with holy terror anything connected with the heretics Fetzer, Reynolds, and Judy Wood. But has anyone heard Alex address these photos?

Has anyone a comment to make about them? I'm simply non-plussed by them — I can't begin to say what is what.

— e sono tanto semplice, li uomini ...

Toasted cars...

Thermate residue deposited by the pyroclastic dust cloud. A thick heavy layer of the dust covered half of the city. This dust was full of the explosives/incendiaries that brought down the towers. The dust sits on the cars for a few hours and corrodes the paint and metal.

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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

An' another thing!

Another thing that I find insufferable about Palast is his butchery of Italian words, viz. omertà and consigliere -- oh-mer-TAH, con-sil-YEH-re -- omertà (most likely Neapolitan for proper Italian "umiltà", ie., "humility", or rather "submission" to the edicts of the "camorro", ie., the mob) is accented on the ultima like many words deriving fom Latin forms that end in -itas, like libertà, (libertas: "freedom"), città, (civitas, "city", literally, the state of being a "civis" or citizen), società, (societas, "fellowship") &c.

Words like sicurezza [si-cu-RETZ-za] (securitas, "security") are accented on the penult, in spite of having "-itas" in the root, though in others like tristezza (Fr. tristesse, "sorrow") the Latin roots ends in "-itia" (tristitia).

Italian stress is somewhat unpredictable, and has to be looked out ad hoc, but to hear Palast, with his inflated tone of self promotion mangle these two words with such frequency is like eating ground glass.

— e sono tanto semplice, li uomini ...

Blame Ourselves

At this point we have to start blaming ourselves. How many samples of WTC dust have been gathered? How many of them contain these steel microspheres? Howcome this site hardly ever covers this story? Focus on the hard evidence. After 6 years, Dr. Jones should have dozens of samples of WTC dust in his hands! Where is it? Instead, it's Rosie this, Rosie that. 100 Rosies aren't going to do any good until they have a firm grasp of the hard hard evidence. For that to happen, groups like this have to have a firm grasp of that evidence, and their primary goal should be the dissemination of that information.

I accept Palast's challenge

"Mr. Jones, come at me!" he said, throwing down the gauntlet.

I accept.

I (finally) found and looked at the Palast video clip -- where he refers to me by name, publicly, as a "complete and utter fraud". He also says, to the camera: "Mr. Jones, come at me!"

I'm ready to accept this very offensive and public challenge of Mr. Palast -- his unsubstantiated accusation that I am a complete and utter fraud -- and hopefully this can bring the 9/11 CD debate before a wider public audience.

I'm raring to go! Let's discuss options, shall we?
1. A lawsuit for slander.
2. A public debate on INN (where he spoke) or some other venue.
3. A written exchange -- Letters to the Journal of 9/11 Studies, for example. That would be great -- he should write up his reasons for making the statement which I consider slanderous, and then a lawsuit can be avoided, and I will publish my response. A published xchange, no ad hominems like "fruitcake" which he also called me. He can pull in scientists and engineers as he wishes -- and then I will do the same.

He should also back up his claims of "no engineers." Note the papers by engineers in the Journal of 9/11 Studies. Also, over 100 engineers plus architects in the ae911.org (architects and engineers for 9/11 truth.) So his claim is complete and utter nonsense.

I'm ready to move on this -- a debate in a public venue (not some "hidden" email exchange, for example.) The Letters section of the Journal is set up for just this type of open discourse, published and public.