Reporter Arrested For Asking Questions About Rudy Giuliani's WTC "Collapse" Foreknowledge at GOP Debate in New Hampshire

UPDATE: Luke and Matt booked for Alex Jones show today: (11am-1pm Central)

Reporter Arrested on Orders of Giuliani Press Secretary -
Charged with Criminal Trespass Despite Protest of CNN Staff and Official Event Press Credentials at GOP Debate in New Hampshire

Aaron Dykes & Alex Jones / Jones Report | June 5, 2007

Manchester, NH - Freelance reporter Matt Lepacek, reporting for, was arrested for asking a question to one of Giuliani's staff members in a press conference. The press secretary identified the New York based reporter as having previously asked Giuliani about his prior knowledge of WTC building collapses and ordered New Hampshire state police to arrest him.

Jason Bermas, reporting for Infowars and America: Freedom to Fascism, confirmed Lepacek had official CNN press credentials for the Republican debate. However, his camera was seized by staff members who shut off the camera, according to Luke Rudkowski, also a freelance Infowars reporter on the scene. He said police physically assaulted both reporters after Rudkowski objected that they were official members of the press and that nothing illegal had taken place. Police reportedly damaged the Infowars-owned camera in the process.

(more after the break..)
Local Mirror:

Reporters were questioning Giuliani staff members on a variety of issues, including his apparent ignorance of the 9/11 Commission Report, according to Bermas. The staff members accused the reporters of Ron Paul partisanship, which press denied. It was at this point that Lepacek, who was streaming a live report, asked a staff member about Giuliani's statement to Peter Jennings that he was told beforehand that the WTC buildings would collapse.

Giuliani's press secretary then called over New Hampshire state police, fingering Lepacek.

Though CNN staff members tried to persuade police not to arrest the accredited reporter-- in violation of the First Amendment, Lepacek was taken to jail. The police station told that Lepacek is being charged with felony criminal trespass.

Lepacek did receive one phone call in jail which he used to contact reporter Luke Rudkowski. According to Rudkowski, Lepacek was scared because he had been told he may be transferred to a secret detention facility because state police were also considering charges of espionage against him-- due to a webcam Lepacek was using to broadcast live at the event. State police considered it to be a hidden camera, which led to discussion of "espionage."

Wearing a webcam at a press event is not an act of espionage. Alex Jones, who was watching the live feed, witnessed Lepacek announce that he was wearing a camera connected to a laptop that was transmitting the press conference live at approximately 9:20 EST. When Lepacek announced that he was broadcasting live, Giuliani staff members responded by getting upset at his questions and ordering his arrest.

Freedom to Fascism reporter Samuel Ettaro was also dragged out after asking a question on Giuliani's ties with Cintra and Macquerie, two foreign contractors involved with the contentious Trans-Texas Corridor under development in Texas.

The entire incident took place in a large press auditorium, apart from the debate stages where authorized media were able to question candidates and their handlers.

Since when do campaign operatives have the power to order state police to arrest someone on false charges or arbitrate who has the right to conduct journalism, a right guarded by the Constitution?

A warning to the press-- if candidates or police don't like your questions, you could be arrested for trespassing and even espionage in the new Orwellian America.

The state police in Goffstown, New Hampshire, where the arrest was made, confirmed that Lepacek is in custody on charges of criminal trespass. Police said information on who filed the trespass complaint was not yet available and would be filed in the police report.

It is clear from talking to multiple eyewitness, as well as the live webcam, that there could not have been a complainant who originated police action, because it happened spontaneously. The police need to be very careful about violating the Bill of Rights and falsely charging someone with a felony crime. This constitutes extreme official oppression and is a total violation of the reporter's civil rights. It would have been bad enough if the reporter would have just been thrown out, but to arrest him when he had a valid press pass and CNN protested his arrest is an outrage.

The arrest-- which clearly violated the First Amendment-- was recorded from two separate camera angles, including a live feed recorded remotely-- so the episode is on record in the event that police destroy or lose tapes seized from Lepacek in attempt to obfuscate the facts of the incident.

If you doubt that police would assault reporters, seize video equipment and act on political orders, then consider the experience Alex Jones had when Texas state troopers arrested him for asking George W. Bush a question during a press conference while he was governor. See video below.

Reporters Matt Lepacek and Luke Rudkowski, both members of, as well as freelance reporters for, have also been previously accused-- falsely-- of being terrorists with bombs and have undergone multiple episodes of harassment during peaceful demonstrations and attempts at exercising the right of free press.

UPDATE: Comments on both the message board and Digg! report that indeed live audio continued to feed from inside the police vehicle after video was shut off by police. The live feed captured the incident and arrest, but previous reports could not confirm that the live report continued after police confiscated the camera.

From DIGG!: lemut: I was listening to their live stream when the arrest happened. The camera feed was lost but audio was still going for several minutes on the way to the police station. This is NOT America.

From Brian Roberts: One of the guys just got arrested!!!!!!!!! Oh my god! You can hear you audio from the police car!!!

Luke Rudkowski and Jason Bermas contributed to this report.

Who let those real

Who let those real journalists into the debates? Journalists aren't supposed to ask tough questions about vital issues, they're supposed to supplicate at the feet of their masters like groveling swine. They're supposed to say things like: "Do you support using tactical nuclear weapons against Iran if they continue to defy the international community"?

Amazing. The Ghoul's P.S. actually thinks he has the right to arrest people for asking him a question. I stand mistaken, apparently he does have that right. Welcome to Amerika.

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This story is growing...

Just heard it on the nationally syndicated Stephanie Miller show! Looks like this story may have some legs. I wonder if Lionel is talking about it? He's on now, but he's time delayed where I live.
"Cogito ergo sum"


Obviously I would rather this hadn't happened, but this is exatly the type of shit that is going to wake more people up. Let's get this story moving!! Credentialed reporters arrested for asking questions!?!? SEND THIS STORY TO ALL YOUR LOCAL MEDIA OUTLETS!! SPAM THE FUCKERS!!
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine





LIVELEAK.COM says there are 139 comments. How does one view them?

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)


You may have to register first. Literally takes 30 seconds. Comments link at bottom left side of page. Looks like most are anti-911 truth... Which is shocking considering this is not a 9/11 truth issue. This is a frickin civil rights issue! Arrested for asking a question!?!? What the hell!!!!!
"Cogito ergo sum"

Re: What the hell!!!!!

police state

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Sadly what needs to happen in situations such as this

which in this country may never happen is everyone around this reporter should have told those few fascist cops that they are NOT going to arrest anyone and to get the phuck out or we will hang you by your ankles from a lamp post.
We the People MUST start standing up by the MILLIONS to fascism or we will face the same fate of Nazi Germany.


"Obviously I would rather this hadn't happened, but this is exatly the type of shit that is going to wake more people up"
. -Conciousness

That's what I meant by "turning point" in my previous post!

You can't hide a lie for long. Truth shall come out.


Not a word about it in my local paper this morning! Why am I still subscribing to the CRAP!?!?!?
"Cogito ergo sum"

Tears to my eyes.

Man. It really brings tears to my eyes how powerful that is, as Luke (it looks like) is being escorted out, and the woman asks him, "what was your question?"

This is the kind of thing that makes change happen. I pray that it will.


Journalists Are supporst to ASK Tough Questions! They all Do it!!

The Other MSM Media Outlets Are Banned from talking about 9/11 Truth.

Since Alterntive Media is not, They arrested him for being a 9/11 Truther. Pure Discrimination against 9/11 Truthers. He did what ALL journalists should have done.

They are Scared and wanted to shut him up. MSM Was safe from this mess, Because there banned from there company from talking about 9/11 Truth.

******UPDATE ALERT******

Have you seen...

The BIll Moyers PBS flick 'buying the war" ?

Dan Rather admits on the movie to being a coward when it comes to asking tough questions. He says it's hard becuase he doens't know if anyone will support him if he asks the toughies!

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yep, and.....

did you see that slimy bastard Russert try to place the blame on the Democrats? unbelievable. the Democrats are useless, they most certaintly cant be tasked to do the medias job for them like Russert seems to think they should. i take it back, Matthews isnt the worst, Russert is.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Yup...slimy is a good word

Oh yea I saw it.

History is a funny thing that sneaks up and bites you on the ass. Dan Rather, Tim Russert, Chris Mathews, and even.....the al' mighty Keith Olbermann will look back in retrospect and be ashamed that they had the power to inform the people. They feel the need to express their opinions when it doesn't matter.

If I can sit on my home computer, watch my tv, and plainly identify the disinfo campaign that led up to this Iraq situation....If I can do that...and time after time...I...I mean WE...are proven correct in our observations and can Dan Rather sit there and speak as if his inaction was some sort of sub-conscious fluke response that he just couldn't control......

Sorry Dan, you consciously and willingly played your part and now you have blood on your hands.

On one hand I'm enraged these cowards are now trying to justify their actions (or inaction?) when it came to questioning the government about the propaganda surrounding the action in Iraq. On the other hand, look at who owns these networks. I'm not really surprised.

Too bad Moyers probably won't go further back in time to review the run up to the Afghanistan action.

Time and time again patriots are ridiculed for standing in the streets, for talking about 'crazy conspiracy theories' like "Iraq is for oil"....and time and time again patriots are vindicated and the pundits who got it wrong are re-hired.

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Rather might be CFR.

I think I read that somewhere... We need to be studying up on the membership lists for the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg... That way we can know what NOT to expect from certain people...


"CFR media personalities include David Brinkley, Tom Brokaw, William Buckley,
Dan Rather, Diane Sawyer, Barbara Walters, and Katie Couric, and Andrea Mitchell wife of
CFR member Alan Greenspan."
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Most (or all) top Democrates are complicit with the Repugs

in subverting the U.S. Constitution & moving us towards a police state! Our only hope seems to be Ron Paul, who wants to restore true democracy.

I agree...

There should be consequences when elected officials neglect to read inteigence reports that are used to send American's to battle or to enact police state legislation.


The media and the United States government is forcing radicalization by not addressing concerns of the American people.

Pretending we don't exist won't make us go away.

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A true <i>REPUBLIC</i>...

In a pure democracy, the few are subject to the tyranny of the many. We need to restore the constitutional republic. We need a firm set of principles that we write into law, which severely limit the power of government. G. Edward Griffin's International Freedom-Force has the right idea. Check this out.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

"In a pure democracy, the

"In a pure democracy, the few are subject to the tyranny of the many."

In a constitutional republic, the many are subjected to the tyranny of the few. Radin lists "respect for the individual" as the "first" attribute of indigenous societies, which are also the purest democracies we have known. Republics, on the other hand, have never succeeded (even remotely) in protecting minorities or individual rights. The combination of minority rule (by the rich, invariably) and centralized power actually encourages the persecution of minorities, since the most effective means for a minority to rule is by "dividing and conquering" her subjects. The "rule of law" is nice on paper but has never been effective in protecting ordinary people against assaults by state and corporate power. As Vanderbilt once said, "What do I care about the law? Ain't I got the power"? No democracy, no control over elites. More democracy, more control over elites. It's really that simple.

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Well, it's a complex issue.

Democracy alone won't work, as we've seen. Good democracy is dependent on education of the masses, free exchange of information, and government transparency / subservience to the people.

Obviously we need true democracy, but it needs to be bolstered by better charters and based on basic principles. These principles must be pervasive throughout the culture. They must be taugt and re-taught until they are ubiquitous. There should be laws REQUIRING the teaching of these "Self-evident Truths" in both early and later stages in the educaitonal process...

If we make it out of this pickle alive, we're going to have to come up with some radically new ieas, that's for sure. Whatever new system we come up with must be tamper-proof. Non-subvertible.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I have lost alot of respect

I have lost alot of respect for Noam Chomsky due to his reluctance to acknowledge any inconsistencies with 9/11. However I can't help but think of Noam's words pre-9/11 when he was my #1 hero. As he would often put it, democracy in the governmental sphere only is useless without democratic control over your work as well. Without democratic control of every workplace (including MSM) democracy is only a thin shell of its full potential. Obviously he says it alot more eloquently but the basic point is true. To be able to control and have a say in your own work is much more important than the ability to vote for representative legislators. Without it, any democratic system, a republic, a commune, is not going to work properly.

Ive lost ALL respect for Chomsky

How dare that guy say " Even if 911 was an inside job, it doesnt matter. Same with the JFK assasination" this man contradicted everything he has ever stood for. He is evil.

Noam Chomsky has self-marginalized himself

I don't know if his actions (and inactions) and words are due to failing mental faculties from old age, or what.

But he is basically worthless now.

It's very sad, really.

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good video

Hey Consciousness, what do you think of Griffin's solution? Is it workable? -E

I think he's on the right track.

Especially with the "holographic" structure of power. What he's basically calling for is for US to create "counter-secret societies", only not secret. We get off our asses and seek influence and power within govenment, the media, education... A movement of people, who share common ideas about what constitutes freedom, each of them armed with the requisite knowledge to "self replicate", then seek to infiltrate the power centers...

If enough people are onboard with this, it could work a thousand times faster than the secret society pyramid structure.

I absolutely think he's right about the fact that freedom-loving people must begin to reach for power. I think his plan is pretty damn close to what we need too. Maybe a few kinks to iron out, but definitely something we should be looking at. The thing about this is it's a pretty loose framework for now, so each individual can adapt it to their area. I think most of the principles he lists on the web-site should be followed though. Like always reading the rules at EVERY meeting.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

It's already occuring as an emergent phenomenon

which is, I think, a type of holographic reflection of the creative principal and governing dynamic of the universe. It's organic, bottom up. 9/11 truth just happens to be our springboard mechanism and point of leverage. I think young people need to place public service back on a pedestal, as a high honour and priviledge. We need a whole new generation of really bright, highly educated and decent young people to strive for the mantal of leadership, based on high tower principals and ideals of what it means to be Civilized.

Therefore, I think the colleges and universities should be our target domain. We need to start thinking generationally, and historically. That's the only way our number will be able to penetrate the inner circle and gain access to the levers of power.

A "generation" moves up the ladder very quickly, you don't have to wait for an entire generation to pass away literally. All you need to get is one level of them fully on board, who then serve as a type of substrate catalyst for change, or transformation (since change is merely different from or better than, which means at some level that no matter how things change, they remain the same).

A Garden, is the best analogy in this case. You plant it, it grows, and then there's the fruitful harvest. We need to start thinking about historical transformation in light of things like complexity and systems theory, even quantum-holographic reality.

We already have the base from which to leverage. I say we just keep on keeping on and keep doing what we're doing. The revelation about things like 9/11 and the Iraq War, they are provocative of a re-examination of history, constitutional government, Civility, the works. Since becoming a truther four and half years, I have become more educated than ever, though less financially secure..

Now that we have so many reinforcements coming to our aid, maybe it's time to step up, and start working for the long term objective with full conscious awareness of what we are doing, unlike the Hippie culture of the 60's for example, who just kind of morphed over time into becoming the ruling elite while discarding their ideals in the process, in favour of temporal wealth and power.

Principals before personalities, where the ideals themselves become the very fertilizer, and the sunshine and water which grows the garden to fruition.

Once generation, that's all we need, to effect the needed transformation. We need to BREED a whole new generation of informed, well educated and highly articulate leaders, to replace this gang of thugs and imbeciles. That's all. And we are RECRUITING THEM, even now..

In this way, 9/11 can serve humanity, as a strange gift, by which we can leverage into place a new type of "new world order" which comes from the bottom up, from all directions at once, and not by the expectation and control of the ruling class. One generation and we can SEED the ovum of a new creation! It's a world waiting to be born!
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Hi Robert (and

Hi Robert (and Consciousness):
It's good what you say . . . it's also how the gov't says "al Qaeda" works - there is no centralization so you cannot kill it! Everyone knows everything so the change can happen everywhere all at once. Better get working on that magical 70% threshold of 9/11 truth!


Consciousness wrote:

“Democracy alone won't work, as we've seen.”

Well, that depends on whether what we’re seeing is actually “democracy”. Take the North American Union. None of the legislative efforts, be they NAFTA, GATT or superhighways have been voted on by people in the United States, Canada or Mexico. Why? Because the overwhelming majority of people in all three countries are opposed to such measures. Did you vote for genetically modified foods? How bout acid rain?

On issues of great import, people cannot be allowed to decide the appropriate course of action; this must be left to the “minority of the opulent”, as James Madison wrote. Or to quote John Jay, “the people who own the country ought to govern it”. This is the consequence of minority rule: the great mass of people are marginalized from the decision making process. This, in turn, encourages apathy, stupidity and the “follow the leader” syndrome we are currently seeing in the 911 truth movement with respect Ron Paul. When people are treated like children they tend to act like children. Our society is not “democratic”. It merely has the formal trappings thereof. We elect people to make decisions for us – vital decisions which affect our lives profoundly – because we are denied the capacity to make those decisions ourselves.

One could argue that elites have dumbed us down to the point where real democracy WOULD be a disaster, but studies show that the very act of participating (meaningfully) in the political process vastly increases both knowledge of said political process as well as knowledge of the issues. Conversely, we see the fruits of “representative” democracy such as preached by the “founding fathers”: an ignorant populace more concerned with Paris Hilton than nuclear war.

You can’t be given freedom, you have to take it.

Now just to be clear, I do not believe democracy can function on the scale of a nation state. This is why the anti-federalists opposed Madison and Co. in their bid to establish a strong central government. They predicted what would happen, and they were right. Democracy requires decentralization, localized decision making and actual participation by the public. Nor am I a “democrat” in the literal definition of the word (“rule by the majority”). There are more sophisticated modes of decision making, such as consensus, which allow for both majority and minority rights to be respected. Or take the Iroquois federation. It was not "perfect" by any stretch of the imagination (they used torture just as we do), but it employed a highly sophisticated and democratic system of federation and delegation. These are the kinds of models we should be looking at.

“seek influence and power within government”

“freedom-loving people must begin to reach for power.”

There are several problems with this. One, in a capitalist society (or a state-communist society, for that matter), scum tends to rise to the top. I do not need to cite any empirical evidence for this, as there is very little but. Two, there are literally hundreds of barriers that have been erected by elites to prevent good people from achieving power, so the odds of it happening are slight to begin with. Three, and most important, power corrupts. Bakunin argued during the time of Marx that a communist society staffed by people with the noblest of intentions would soon become the worst dictatorship the world had even seen. It was one of the most astute predictions in the social sciences. Indeed, ideologues are much more dangerous than your average corrupt politician: they try to enforce their will on millions of people, and their efforts invariably result in massive bloodshed.

The simple fact of the matter is that this system is not functional and never has been. It puzzles me why people think that embracing the source of the problem – a pyramidal power structure (be it monarchy, communist state, fascist state or constitutional republic) – will actually solve the problem. We need to move beyond these outmoded forms of social organization.


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I think you misunderstand, Danse.

The argument by G. Edward Griffin (and myself) is for decentralization, and for people to start taking a participatory role. As for the "elite" placing barriers to our acquisition of power... They've never faced what they are about to face. What outcome did you have in mind for this Movement? Just to say "Nanny-nanny boo-boo, we got you" to the perps, then allow them to keep running the show? I don't mean to be antagonistic. Really, what did you have in mind? Because it is obvious that we either have to regain control of the "power centers" of the world, or accept eternal servitude. There is a factor here that people aren't really taking into account, and that is modern technology. If we don't get a grip on our problems now, I don't see us having another chance. EVER. Drugs, nanotech, nukes, AI, surveilance, data mining, biometrics, GPS, spy satellites... There WILL come a point where we can no longer fight back.

Power does tend to corrupt, that is why we need to agree on the fundamental, "first principles" of freedom, and make that information into a viral meme. A meme which is immutable, and which WE vow to serve. I know I can do it, can you? I know I'm not corruptible. They can make threats. The worst I could be persuaded to do is resign my position. I understand the importance of this struggle, and I don't fear death.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

“The argument by G. Edward

“The argument by G. Edward Griffin (and myself) is for decentralization, and for people to start taking a participatory role.”

That’s great, but what do you have in mind by “participation”? Because unless we start delegating our “representatives” it will just be more of the same: power-hungry individuals who can easily be bought off and who, upon achieving office, proceed to reverse their positions on the very issues that got them elected in the first place. That’s the main distinction I was trying to make, between participatory democracy/“bottom up” power and the traditional pyramidal power structure which many libertarians support. It’s fine and well to say that in the future we’ll elect “good people” to office, but we’ve been trying that for hundreds of years and it hasn’t worked.

“What outcome did you have in mind for this Movement?”

Waking people up, mostly. Unless the 911 truth movement moves beyond simply “protecting the constitution” and begins to look at alternate forms of social organization I don’t expect significant change in the long run.

“Because it is obvious that we either have to regain control of the "power centers" of the world, or accept eternal servitude.”

Yes, but the question is whether WE are taking control of those power structures or merely passing the torch to a new set of politicians. Most libertarians place great weight in the "balance of powers". I consider said "balance" mostly a farce, and history agrees with me.

As Varlet said during the French Revolution (in his critique of the reactionary forces which seized power):

"One truth is weIl demonstrated: Man by his very nature, full of arrogance in the higher positions, inclines necessarily toward despotism; we sense now that we must hold in arrest, in check, the established authorities; without which they become all-oppressive in power. Let us not seek to counterbalance them byeach other; all counterweight which is not that of the people itself is false. The Sovereign ought always to direct the social body; it is worth nothing when someone else represents it."

His experience under the Girondin-directed Convention only reaffirmed bis conviction that unless the sovereign people controlled their deputies a new despotism would arise on the ruins of the aid. Any attempt to limit the deputies' power by imposing same system of checks and balances was doomed in advance. Only the people themselves could serve as a counterweight to the usurping representatives. "Whatever our mandatories cannot or will not do, let us do ourselves; let us give these gentlemen same lessons in republicanism," he continued.

In his own version of the Droits de l'Homme, he applied the principle of direct democracy to embrace all countries. Sovereignty, he wrote, appertained to all nations; it could be delegated "but never, never be represented." The established authorities we re only emanations of the sovereign nations and had to remain subordinate to them. He essentially repeated his earlier proposals that direct elections should be held, that the electorate should collectively express their views to their commissioners, and that the electorate should "examine, refuse, or sanction the decrees which the mandatories propose to give the force of laws, and. . . render them executable." Varlet added "the right of citizens gathered en masse in the state to review, improve, modify, [or] change the social contract when it pleases them."[54]

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I think we're looking for something similar, but speaking

different languages. Griffin is arguing that "good" people tend to be uninterested in power. I would agree. But, he is saying that if we hope to have any chance at freedom, "good" people will have to actively work against their instincts and rise to power. He's not talking about just replacing the elites at the top of the pyramid with "good" people, but about "good" people seeking to restructure and decentralize the whole system. The only thing binding these people together will be adherence to a set of principles and a set of methods. Those principles and methods will be designed to ensure freedom, decentralization, and neutering of tyrannical structures.

If you weren't thinking beyond "waking people up" with 9/11 Truth, I suggest you begin to do so now. Our problems continue until we the People regain power, and that won't be happening under the current structures. The corruption is total, the subversion complete. No "Congressional Committee" is going to fix this now. No "dog and pony show" will suffice. America is gone. Canada is gone. Great Britain is gone. All of Europe is likely gone.

The power must reside with the people. There is no doubt about this. But we must figure out how to make it so, and what system will ensure that we don't have to keep doing this every 50 years.

I think you're a bit more well read than me when it comes to political theory, so maybe I'm missing some of what you're getting at. Still, it seems to me that what we NEED to be refocusing on are basic principles. When we allow our minds and our systems of interaction to become TOO complicated, things get muddy and perversions flourish.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I think we're mostly on the

I think we're mostly on the same page, Consciousness. :)


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Nice post

I'm a member of Freedom Force and highly regard Ed Griffin and his work.

"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul

we are reading from the same book!

WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!... rage against the machine!!

Dan Rather... Not!

"George Bush is the President, he makes the decisions.. and, you know... this is one American, wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where."

-Dan Rather
September 17, 2001
on The David Letterman Show
"Cogito ergo sum"

and yet...

"Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. If we could be one-one-hundredth as great as you and Hillary Rodham Clinton have been together in the White House, we'd take it right now and walk away winners."
--Dan Rather, to Bill Clinton, at a meeting for CBS affiliates, May 27, 1993

So, what do we make of all this? The real loyalty of Dan Rather is to neither party, but to something else.

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

Those N.H. police used Gestapo tactics to quash free speech!!!

We must not let this stand!!!

Take a few minutes to listen

Take a few minutes to listen to the JFK audio link just below. Highly relevant.
How far we have fallen...

JFK on secrecy and the press

Giuliani, in the debate itself

Indicated that a FREE PRESS is one of the things that makes America great, and that without it, they'd be no different from the people they're fighting - something like that.

That little bit would make for a nice companion to this arrest report...
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let us all remember: These people show us who they are, every moment of every day, not with their false words, but with their actions.

Great point Robert, Ghouliani says one of the things that makes amerika great is "...a free press..." vs his minions outside arresting a valid reporter for asking a question. "Hypocrisy" doesnt begin to express...

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I'm saying someone needs

To isolate that clip and inject it into the reporting about this incident, to further illustrate the level of Giuliani hypocrisy. Giuliani is like the Frankenstein version of George W. Bush, and is prepared to spin the war on terror meme until the cows come home. He seems to think that by attacking radical Islam, you can defeat it, when the opposite dynamic is true. Islam is moderated by demonstrating, with a model of civilized leadership, and a dramatically altered foreign policy, that certain ideals and ways of life are better than others. Rudy's "offense" is very offensive to the principals which would make America a Civilizing force in the world. The guy is "not right". He's a very strange man, and not too bright. He doesn't understand the nature of complexity, or how to threat the needle of competing self interests. He's even MORE white and black than Bush is, and what's worse, he's only taking that position for political expediancy. If Bush has been the worst President in American history, Giuliani would be just as bad, or worse. He might get more done on the economic front, but in terms of the character and the heart and soul of America, if he managed to get voted in as POTUS, it would never be the same again. He's no gentleman or statesman. He's a ghoul. He would radicalize Islam even MOREso, and drive a process of continued death and destruction.
On the 11th day, of every month.

Listen up techies!!

Robert has the idea here!!! Every time shit like this happens we have more ammo, more clear evidence of hypocrisy. ALL THE CLIPS FROM THIS STRING OF GHOULIANI EVENTS NEED TO BE EDITED TOGETHER!!!
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Good idea!

A continuous Youtube video blog of the truth movement's continuing confrontations with Ghouiani.

A few hundred thousand views can equate to another million for whom a vote for Giuliani would equate to slitting their own wrists, and every million counts.

We must remember that ours is a many to many medium capable of altogether bypassing the MSM and revealing the hypocrisy for what it is.
On the 11th day, of every month.

Time to Start our own MSM

We need to start our own MSM that won't be afraid of the goon squad and have a security detachment to protect our reporters from them. This will need tweaking but I think its a good idea. I also think having our own CFR/Trilateral commission that works for "We the People" to counter them. Fight fire with fire.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to ALTER or to ABOLISH it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.



Whatever we do, we need to be more honest and humble about it than the CFR and Trilats.

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In this matter it is also

In this matter it is also good to remember that the press is the only profession in the US explicitly protected by the Constitution.


JFK on secrecy and the press


There's also the clergy. ;-)

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Has anyone combined the audio....

.....of Ghouliani talking to Peter Jennings about his forewarnings of the Twins collapse with his denial of that foreknowledge, during these recent Truth Squad confrontations, in a YouTube segment?

Something like was what was done with NIST's John Gross Denial-of-Molten-Metal PNACitizen video?

Could be devastating.

Good idea

I agree.


Giuliani said "Live Free or Die" would be a good motto for our times. This is that insidious double meaning that they like to use all the time. He prefers the "or die" part.

Just like when Bush says, "The terrorists hate your freedoms." He's telling the truth - THEY are the terrorists, and they hate our freedoms. "They are always looking for new ways to hurt you."

They like to hide their hatred for the free Americans right in front of our faces.

Show "Usama Bin Laden" by Amanda Reconwit...

Nico Amanda why are you telling us this?

After you go down and check out these places, capture Usama, get your reward in hand...have a press conference explaining all the details, become a "hero" and live happily ever after. THEN this information you posted would be proven. But hey, by all means you go right ahead and Git 'R done.

he master class has always declared the wars; the subject class has always fought the battles.

This defines

..............PURE BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've added to this from the edit feature. So you think what the cops did was right? Why the vote down?

Thanks for the Blog S4...

Never seen that clip of Alex Jones being arrested asking Bush about the CFR and Federal reserve, that was special.


Great job Matt, Luke and, shame on the silent bystanders.

Everyone should make sure that Giuliani's Press Secretary sees the evidence he called for...

Sign of things to come...

Good luck and best wishes

This event could be a turning point.

People hwo are not aware of government control over the media will see that in fact the politicians are controlling everything that's been reported by journalists. They are not even allowed to ask certain question. This is an eye opener event Ithink.

You can't hide a lie for long. Truth shall come out.


It won't be a turning point if the only sites reporting on it are sites like this one or prisonplanet.

I don't exactly see mainstream news going near this since they're part of the problem in the first place.

I hope I'm wrong.

Jesus, this is INSANE. This is so horrible to read.

I'm with you on that

If this isn't enough to wake up mainstream reporters to the reality that if they ask tough questions under this administration, and possibly even the next, they might get arrested, I don't know what is.


Thanks for the two video clips of the arrests.

Herblay FRANCE

Thanks for the two video clips of the arrests. Great idea to film the reaction of Giuliani after the arrest. Keep the questions coming and espcially to the presidential candidats. Do not forget to post the videos !

And please continue to do it peafully, legally and respectfully. We can ask honestly the question why are the other journalistes not reacting and asking the same questions ?

Yours John

New media

These guys are doing a great job of exposing the police state.

Like Rosa Parks...

We will not be forced to sit at the back of the bus. We are sitting right here in the front seat. Hell, we might just jump into the driver's seat. Great job Luke and Matt.

We are at the point of no return.

These clips are powerful and tremendously valuable. They need to be transferred to DVD format and widely distributed, perhaps they can be added to LCFC?
Americans are in a media induced trance, thinking they are free, and almost laughably, that they are in some position to export freedom to other places. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
Time for the United States to realize they've been subverted into the strong arm of a new global fascism. Let's FORCE America to LOOK, even if it means we alienate family, friends, and neighbour. They won't thank us for opening their eyes, for God knows, it hurts like hell. There's no choice.
There's no going back.

Testing, testing – the trial of Reporter Christopher Bollyn

Oral testimonies gathered together in “They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45” by Milton Mayer (University of Chicago Press) -- a book of first-hand accounts by people who lived through the Hitler era – point out that the same EXACT PATTERN of events and processes (physical as well as psychological) that occurred in Germany during that dark era are now visibly occurring in the United States and Canada. It is a process described by Germans who lived through that time as “the gradual habituation of the people.” They turn the heat up on the pot in small gradual increments, testing you and getting you accustomed to things that several years ago would have made you recoil in shock or disgust – FEMA prison camps, torture, pre-emptive war, false-flag terror, rigged elections, the dismantling of the Constitution, etc. Having mentioned this, I must point out that the current trial of independent journalist Christopher Bollyn is being used as a test case. Having been labeled as an anti-Semitic nutball by the media because of his research into the deep Israeli connections to 9/11 and current U.S. Middle East policy, he is now on trial in Chicago for doing nothing but his job as an investigative journalist who has consistently tackled the hard and controversial topics everyone else is afraid to touch, such as the Israeli sex-slave trade, etc. The trumped charges of the trial of course concern “resisting arrest,” not freedom of speech.

About a year ago, he thought he was being a good neighbor and reported to the local police that a mysterious black car was constantly cruising around his neighborhood (a private community). The men in this car – an armed tactical unit of Chertoff’s DHS Gestapo -- were alerted by the local police of his call. They came to his door with M16s drawn, would not produce any ID to show their authority over him and his family to enter and search his home, Bollyn would not cooperate with their Gestapo home invasion, told them to leave, was then tackled and tasered on his front lawn, his wife and kids were held at gunpoint in their home during an intimidating, illegal search, AND HE IS THE ONE BEING CHARGED WITH RESISTING ARREST, i.e. asking armed men with no ID or local police authority to get off his property and asking them for search warrants!

What these folks want to know is, if someone they brand as a so-called “anti-Semite journalist” has his home invaded, stands up for his rights, and is then forced to defend trumped up charges in a court of law, WILL YOU NOTICE? Will you even care or say a word? Will you defend him? Will you watch them take everyone away to the camps and courts, and say nothing until it is your turn? BTW, Christopher Bollyn is good friends with Dr. Steven Jones. This is another incremental test to see how the public will react. TESTING, TESTING... We now have a Zionist occupation of the U.S. government and its intelligence agencies. They want you to fight, die and also pay for their wars of Middle East conquest. They attacked you on 9/11 and will attack you again. I beg you all to resist the “shut-down” tactic of branding people as anti-Semites. The Jews DID NOT ORCHESTRATE 9/11, but the right-wing Israeli Likud, Irgun, and Mossad did! Wake up before it is too late. I beg you!!!!

I'm very concerned for

I'm very concerned for Bollyn. Especially now that's he's been found guilty on both counts. It's really very scary.


I did not know. My God! If they come to your door, you better bring a little something more than a handshake and a whimper. This is serious wake up time now.


does very good work for the truth movement. We should be thankful and show some support !
Doesn't it make sense that he is being attacked for being so on the spot ?
We should know it as we observe negative reactions from some people to 911 truth exposure for ourselves.

The Bollyn Verdict deserves its own thread

At the very least.

Assuming LT's second paragraph is accurate (and I have no reason to think it's not), this is a very, very disturbing example of terrorism by the government.

We can't take the chance that LT's wrong, that this isn't a test case for futher police state brutality:...will the American people look the other way?

Bollyn is labeled as an "anti-Semite" and his case given by two Jewish prosecutors and and a Jewish judge??? How could they not recuse themselves?

i have yet to make my own

i have yet to make my own blog but i agree, it deserves one(hint hint). i dont quite understand the silence from within the 9/11 truth community on this case(actually, i do, but i dont wanna start a flame war).

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Bollyn Trial

Please, i have been inquiring about this. Thank you Lazlo and Chris and all. Its own thread. What can we do?

Thanks Kate for your inquiries and proddings of yesterday

I had nightmares about all this last night and woke up ready to answer your inquiries. Yes, I've been aware of all this for quite some time. It is nice to see folks on the 9/11 Blogger waking up to these things and giving support without slamming inquirers with the old anti-Semite shut-down jazz. If my old friend, Lenny Bruce was alive, he would be on our side fer sure.

I missed them

I'd love to read your exchange with KOTK - would you please direct me to them? E

Hey EV

They are on 9/11 Blogger somewhere. Put in "Lazlo Toth" in the search engine. I'm sure the Google engine here has recorded them. See you in the camps. I hope it will be like "Hogan's Heroes" with Sgt Schultz. Probably not. Just a joke, if they come for me I got some heavy shit for them. Om....

started one


Anonymousness is OK, and unfounded accusations of anti-semitism won't fly... let's talk about this! Also, Alvin Hellerstein, the Zionist judge who got all 9/11 cases--what's up with THAT?


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Yo, RT

I'm glad to see you know what time it is!

hey Lazlo

two minutes to midnight? :)

yeah I know the time!


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Hi RT,This i a bit OT, but

Hi RT,
This i a bit OT, but I saw some info on other sites that leads me to question the Holocaust. Can you point me to the best scholarship on this issue?

We know about the uninvestigated threads linking Israeli Mossad to 9/11, and the neocons to Israel. Here's the evidence all laid out:

Here's some info about Sibel, who is implicating some of the same neocons in their arms/drug trading with Turkey as well:

Well, here's a thread laying out all the evidence of Israeli participation in false-flag events in the latter half of the 20th century:

Don't get all over me for simply questioning. But I feel like I can't believe anything the MSM says anymore. Here's an article about the recently discovered "Polish Anne Frank's diary":

At this point, I'm starting to wonder if the "original" Anne Frank was real or not - and I've been to her house.

Then, this comes up yesterday on

WTF? Is the Holocaust even real? People are starting to get jailed just for questionning the numbers (e.g., how could 6 million have died if only 1.5 jews lived at the time?; how could there by 1 million living survivors unless there were over 3 million surviving at the time - probably not all young enough to still be living now either).

A cursory search reveals videos like this one:

Am losing my mind. Everything I thought was right appears to be false. What I do know for sure is that the MSM seems to be more about distracting us or helping us to think favorably of the US gov't than informing us:

The above story, plus AJ's experience, prove my point. Reporters cannot ask the questions. If they write about stuff that is verboten, their "editors" high up in their organizations, simply kill the story. Like this banned Fox video:

Here's the banned fox video on Israeli spying:

So why _should_ I believe that the holocaust is real? The evidence appears to come down to one thing: The railroads billing records citing how many passengers were carted to camps so the Nazis could be billed for the right number of passengers IN COMPARISON with the number seen at the camps at the end of the war or who left the camps and lived to tell about it after the war. That discrepancy is supposed to be 6 million.

Does anyone know a reliable way to get census data of the number of jews who lived in Europe from 1930's to the 1940's? From what I've read, the number went up, not down, but of course, I don't feel like I can trust these websites I've found either.

What is the truth? Can someone educate me on this issue?


sorry for the OT reply!

EVERYONE should look up David Cole's documentary on Auschwitz, and see CORRECTION not codoh dot org, but - and be aware that it's always possible that it is a "fake" site i.e. controlled opposition, but you'll get the gist... Stick with David Cole and you'll be ok!

David Cole was assaulted and had his life threatened by JDL (Jewish Defense League, a terrorist group per the FBI) goons and so has retired from holocaust revisionism and even "recanted" in a letter to the JDL to save his life and that of his family. And yes, you can get arrested in Germany and some other places I think for just asking questions about the historical accuracy of the official narrative (which itself has been revised many times).

The parallels with 9/11 as far as the falsification of history and creation of public myths meant to buoy support for political power plays could not be more apparent. 9/11 was intended from the beginning to be America’s Little Holocaust™ that Americans could basically use to tell the world “F off, we’re hated and threatened by people who want to kill us, we can do whatever we want in the name of our security.”

Really, it’s this simple, and more people don’t admit it for obvious reasons, but reasons that we must show to be without merit, namely the risk of being smeared as a bigot. Thankfully this accusation is wearing VERY thin with a lot of people. Unfortunately, those who discourage people from understanding Zionism actually WANT people to start getting angry at Jewish people for not being honest with themselves and others about Israel. That way they can focus on some REAL anti-semitism for a change.

They would not hesitate to sacrifice any number of innocent Jews to give the appearance of rising anti-semitism, too, so it really is an almost exact parallel to 9/11 and the manufacturing of an Islamic threat for Americans to fear. In fact Zionists were responsible for many Jewish deaths in fake terror campaigns designed to scare the world’s Jews into fleeing to Palestine (as foot soldiers and cannon fodder for the imperialist European Zionists). The thing they fear most is honest Jewish people turning against Zionism and for that they use the fact that Israel was involved in 9/11 to lie and make it seem to the honest folk that the criticism proves anti-semitism is alive and well.

Finally, if you want to discuss the holocaust or Israeli involvement in 9/11 feel free to do so on my blog if you want to avoid the flaming you'll get from some people here!


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I know 911 blogger is sensitive to this subject...

so I'll just add, Glad to see people are finally starting to 'get it'. And despite the 'holocaust denier' crying disinfo agents the truth is slowly bubbling to the surface replacing the shit we've been told our entire lives. 911 is just the tip of the ice berg, this game has been on for a long, long time and YOU & I are the pawns.

i'm not a pawn anymore!

no truther is a pawn of these bastards. we are the knights swooping in to free the pawns from their mind enslavers! : )

like I said if anyone feels like discussing Israel, 9/11, and/or the holocaust feel free to do it over at the wtcdemo blog. Neither bigots nor bigot wolf criers will be tolerated!


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Excellent offer, RT

Keeping this site focused on 9/11 (including possible Israeli involvement in 9/11, of course), is in its best interest.

The Holocaust is a separate, distracting, intentionally polarizing topic that is best discussed elsewhere, like your site.

Everytime we let ourselves get bogged down in defending ourselves from that obvious smear, 9/11 perps (or their lackeys) are smiling. "Divide and Conquer", and all that.

Anytime someone tries to steer the convesation to the Holocaust here, it has to be a big red flag to all of us.

9/11 blogger is best left to understanding 9/11 - I agree

Rest assured, I'm not trying to smear or steer . . . I just had no one else to ask but I figured that RT would know, based on his blogs. I'm just trying to figure out the truth. ("e vero" means "it is true.")

RT, thanks, and I'll check out the info you gave me.

Here's another very well researched documentary.

Which, curiously, is no longer available on google or youtube.


Thanks, Big_D.

Yo, RT, E-Vero, Kate of the Kiosk, et al.,

Yo, RT, E-Vero, Kate of the Kiosk, et al., you folks really do know the time. I am really impressed with your knowledge and your courage.

As is explained through documentary evidence in “51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis” sold by the anti-Zionist orthodox Rabbis of Naturei Karta, whose synogogue was burned down last month by the JDL, (, the Jewish people were also victims of Zionist treachery. If you, as a German Jew were willing to re-locate to Israel (and not to California or New York) you were allowed to go free, otherwise it was back to the camps. Wanna go to California? -- wrong answer!

The Israeli terrorist group Irgun, headed by Jabotinsky, Begin, Shamir, and U.S. Democratic party leader Rahm Emanuel’s father, who blew up all the British officers in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, tried to make a military alliance with Hitler during the war because they thought Britain was going to lose. They were willing to sacrifice the German Jews in order to get the sweet little real estate deal we now call Israel. Israel has nothing to do with Judaism! That is the biggest lie of all! Study your history! The Zionists are like picadors with lances in a bull-fight. They agitate and agitate the dumb Goyim and Arab bulls to fight the matador while they stand back from the fight and laugh at their handiwork. That is why Mossad created Hamas. According to Ariel Sharon, AIPAC controls the U.S Congress, the Senate, the CIA, the FBI, etc. They are using brainwashed boys from Arkansas to fight their battles in the Middle East based upon a false-flag terror attack on New York that they themselves helped orchestrate. Wake the fuck up! I am going to be completely naked and honest here, Truthers – Mossad operatives wired those buildings for demolition with the help and authority of the NY/NJ Port Authority’s Lewis Eisenberg, Larry Silverstein, Frank Lowy, and Marvin Bush’s Stratasec.

By the way, I am Jewish (my mother's surname is Samuels) and I take great offense in being called an anti-Semite by a bunch of fucking Zionazis who sold my people into slavery so they could secure an illegitimate real estate deal through the 100 year genocide of other Semitic peoples – the Palestinians. If you don’t like the truth, get out of the fucking kitchen!

But i thought you were going to tell me you were

Father Guido Sarducci of SNL fame...
just poking fun

thanks for sharing. you have every right to talk and it is much appreciated.

That's funny...

I just Wiki-ed Lazlo earlier when I read that he was friends with Lenny Bruce. So is it you Father Sarducci? I remember seeing Guido Sarducci on SNL as a very young kid, and always liking that character, but I was too young to know why. He just gave me a good feeling for some reason.

Am I rubbing elbows with a real-life celeb here, or what? ;)
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Probably because

Of that one time he found the Pope's wallet...remember?


I am not Don Novello (aka Father Guido Sarducci)

although I lived just down the street from Robin Williams in San Francisco and got to hang out for about a year with my top comedian hero Lenny B. when I was 13. He was very sweet and kept telling me and my friend, in a very fatherly way, "don't you young folks ruin your lives like I did by getting into hard drugs." We told him we would just stick with the Ganj and organic magic mushrooms, and he said that was cool. He always made us promise -- No cocaine and no heroin or speed. We kept our promises. He was impressed that we liked Be-bop and were very politically aware and radical for our ages. He really died on the cross for all the comedians who came after him. I love Lenny, and if he were here today, he would absolutely fry Bush and all his hypocritical, murderous minions. He wanted nothing but the truth, and HATED liars.

no doubt, Lenny Bruce is

no doubt, Lenny Bruce is probably up there with Bill Hicks flaming the president right now. if you believe in that sort of thing. and good tip on the hard drugs, ive never touched anything harder than marijuana and never will.(well, i did LSD a couple of times but thats it)

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Lenny was cool

And he was right about hard drugs; they depress the immune system over time and some, just like ciggies, lead to cancer. My last and best pot experience was in Amsterdam many years ago; I had this realization that "love" was the answer to everything. How bad could pot be?? ... E

Yeah, meeee too...

I did LSD a... *Ahem*... "couple" times too. Cocaine's not a hard drug! Ecstacy is harder. Bad news, that stuff.

Heroin, meth, crack, (PCP?)... THOSE are hard drugs. (And that small list is nearly a complete list of what I HAVEN'T tried. Glad those days are over.)
I hung out with some meth-heads once. Yuk. That was a disgusting and pathetic scene.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I think that big-time

I think that big-time coke-heads are susceptible to pneumonia, so it's not a drug without consequences. Meth I have no info about - but at least it is independently produced and not providing cash for arms for rogue countries/intelligence agencies. I used to smoke, too, for almost 20 years; quit in '99. I still miss it sometimes.

I have an OT problem!


ive never done coke but ive

ive never done coke but ive seen it ruin peoples lives. i personally think its a "hard" drug but i guess thats subjective. because many people would say LSD is VERY hard. and in some ways i would have to agree.

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I agree that coke is a hard drug, but I'm not sure what the classification means exactly. Feels good, but short-lived high.

Hard drugs...

I would classify "hard drugs" as ones that are physically addictive and/or have very harsh effects on the body.

I've tried cocaine several times but I never really got into it, because it wasn't enough of a thrill for me. I had been BIG TIME into LSD and Ecstacy before, and those are both usually VERY INTENSE. So cocaine never did much for me. It was almost like taking a 1/4 or 1/8 hit of E.

Now, the mental effects of LSD are "hard" in the sense that they can be extremely intense. There is a very real risk of losing your mind. I've known at least two people this has happened to. One is now schizophrenic, one lost her life. I would say I've "lost my mind" at least 3 or 4 times from LSD, shrooms, or E, but I was lucky enough to make it back to planet earth each time. On two separate occasions I woke up in the hospital about two days later not knowing how I got there. Despite the risks, LSD always appealed to me because it was such a psychological adventure. Self realizations, feelings of omniscience, synesthesia, oneness with nature/the universe, extreme joy/euphoria, EXTREME TERROR... LSD is like putting your brain in a cannon and launching it to Mars to ride the rides at a Martian amusement park. Reality never looks the same again.

LSD is hard in terms of intensity and duration (6-15 hours), but from all the research I've done, and from all my experience, it does almost nothing negative to the body, and it doesn't cause physical dependence.

I know a lot of people get messed up by cocaine. I just never found it to be terribly appealing, so I never had a problem not doing it.


I HAVE GIVEN UP ALL DRUGS!! I DON'T EVEN TAKE ASPIRIN!! I rarely even drink alcohol. I don't recommend that people test out the "hardness" level of any drugs for themselves. I was once a reckless teenager, possibly with a death wish. GO FOR A NATURAL "HIGH"!! TRY RUNNING OR MEDITATION!
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Interresting story...

And 100% True.

Right after I "woke up" I was pretty paranoid, but I immediately felt the need to do something. I did dozens of hours of research, and obviously touched upon the subject of the Holocaust within the course of that research.


I go into the grocery store one morning to grab some breakfast on the go. I go into the produce section to get a banana. When I get there, it's a bit of a traffic jam, there are about three or four people blocking the bananas with their carts. One of these people is an ancient man, who looks to be about 90. I'm in a rush so I just dance around everybody to get my banana, but as I do I think to myself "I should help that old man". I think about asking him how many bananas he needs and just grabbing them for him, since I'm young and quick and all. But then my laziness kicks in, and I think "Oh, he'll be fine". So as I'm walking away I kinda do a double-take and look back at him. Guess what I see on his arm...

Just like that only more faded and on a much older arm. Not much of a fashion statement, is it? Pretty sure this 90 year old man didn't just get drunk one night and decide to get "093 45237" tattooed on him for fun.

It was really wierd. I had thoughts of tyranny running wild through my mind, then I get a strong urge to help this old man for some reason. I look back and lo and behold... Holocaust survivor.

The thing definitely happened. The facts are likeley to have been distorted, but many, MANY people surely died. I do think there has been some kind of alterior motive for pounding this event into the minds of students though.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Hi Consciousness, I knew a

Hi Consciousness,
I knew a survivor once, too, saw his tatooed number (very long) on his arm, too. He was Dutch, I think, but had long since lived in America. I never thought to ask him about his experiences; that would have been utterly unseemly. I guess he could have been in a labor camp, though. Doesn't prove anything much one way or the other; I'm sure lots died, but the numbers may have been exaggerated.


oh yeah, I forgot, one of my ex's had a dad and uncle in the camps - they were jewish but were jailed for political beliefs and being gay, respectively. They didn't die though, and the rest of my ex's family escaped to Switzerland unharmed, then returned to Italy after the war. If my ex weren't such an SOB, I'd email him to ask him for further details. But I doubt he knows much.

p.s. RT - D. Cole - chilling. I've got nothing left to hang onto.

Whatever the case

rest assured that the VeriChip is much less visible -- you won't even notice it's there, and it doesn't interfere with your fashion identity. Guaranteed.

interns < internets

Banana Blockers

"When I get there, it's a bit of a traffic jam, there are about three or four people blocking the bananas with their carts. One of these people is an ancient man.."

The elite are like that, where the "fruits of life" are blocked through the psychological oppressive forces which dumb us down, lesson our conscious awareness, and thus our power, since what is power absent the power to choose, and what is the power to choose absent a high degree of conscious awareness of the domain of free choice within the realm of limitless possibility.

You either cannot get to the "bananas" or, if they make a path for you to the bananas, you discover when you get there, that there is no other fruit to choose from BUT bananas!

"HYPOCRITES! You neither enter in yourselves, nor allow others to enter in!"
On the 11th day, of every month.

Power may not be what we expect.

I think some of the dumbing down that has occurred, the secrecy, and the obsession with control might have a lot to do with preventing us from realizing that power is in fact well within our grasp. Political power, intellectual power, spiritual power... Look within. Laugh in the face of Fear.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Yes, precisely

They do not want us to awaken to the matrix, and begin creating a new reality which is not subject to their influence and control. G. Edward Griffin is correct that what we're up against, is COLLECTIVISM, in this case one founded on fear and INSECURITY, relative to an external "evil" which only the government, as a PROTECTOR can save us from, and it's in the name of this "security" that we are slowly handing over Liberty, which if we are lacking in "power" is just an illusion. However, like you've just intimated, I don't think he understands the true nature of power, as influence with character and authenticity, born of an ideal, capable of changing minds, beginning with our own mind. Like the Prodigal Son, we are in a distant land, feeding from a trough which offers no nourishment, and working for a "farmer" who's taking advantage of us, since he's got us feeding at the pig's trough (life of attachment). Like the young man in that parable, we need to change our MIND, and "come to our senses", and at THAT precise moment, while still a LONG way from home, now heading in the right direction, we discover to our dismay, that everything is restored, and that we are "hugged" (enveloped) by the creator, where the elite in this case, shall be likened to the elder brother who is angered at our return and refuses to participate in the celebration of our return as the rightful heirs, even though we may have already blown our inheritance once already.

The center and source of power, resides within the transformative IDEA, and as far as I can tell, Ron Paul is the ONLY one talking about that idea as a defender of the faith in the power of Liberty, which is the very power which made American great in the first place. Pirates, cons-pirators, have taken over the ship! But if we all refuse to ride "their" ship, it magically transforms into a new one of our own making, by our own choice.

We cannot "come to power" until we take back our power and come to understand what the true nature of power really is, which is INFLUENCE. It's not just a top down command and control system of government. I don't know about you, but it seems that we are coming into a re-interpretation of the Christian ethic, not as a "churchy" thing at all, but as something greater, something POWERFUL, like a newfound rational basis for faith or something, where that faith is pinned to the notion that there is something BETTER which is in accord with God's plan as, if nothing else, the creative principal and governing dynamic of life itself.
On the 11th day, of every month.


...or influence... are they the same? Regardless, I think you're right, because your views on this dovetail closely with my own emerging (but still rather hazy) ones. Coming from a "fundamentalist" (in the original sense; look it up) Christian background, I've always held to the teachings that "apart from Christ you can do nothing" and "with God all things are possible" which together seem to lock one into a narrow view of what is possible in a secular setting. Is that narrow view accurate? I don't know; that's a major part of my ponderings lately. If it is accurate, then 9/11 truth is necessary, but insufficient to effectively restore liberty. I say that because there isn't any discernible "revival"-type of element within the movement; if anything, the appalling paucity of evangelical Christian 9/11 awareness will presumably serve generally as a repellant. OTOH if it isn't accurate, then we may already be at the cusp of the next great era in human civilization.

In either case, it's always the right thing to do to work toward truth, especially in something so globally important.

What a ride!

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this is true

My grandmother is half Polish and one of her cousins I believe was at a family reunion and she had the tatoo. Dehumanizing as all hell, but not much different than how our own modern day prisons refer to their inmates as numbers only in order to break their spirit. No one disputes that Jews were incarcerated unjustly and even had their property seized by the state--let's be clear on this--war crimes were commited against Jews in Europe! Absolutely. The fact does not excuse making up stories though, like the atrocity legends of lampshades and soap being made from Jews that I was led to believe as a kid and now know were made up. I'm just saying let's have an accurate picture of history so that we can understand these crimes, compare them properly to each other (i.e. Nazis were no worse than the allies) and learn and heal properly. That's it.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force

NEW---> check out our revamped site!


Concerning the Holocaust comments, please people, let's

just not go there anymore. For goodness sake, ANOTHER Nazi perpetrated mass grave was just discovered the other day in Urkraine, so let us just grow-up and move on, please. Israeli government policies and AIPAC influnence - yes, but the Holocaust, jews, and Zionism - no. Thank you.

"They took it from the top to the bottom, we're gonna take them from the bottom to the top." - Dan Wallace

i basically agree with you

i basically agree with you about the holocaust being discussed here, but saying zionism shouldnt be discussed is a bit like saying neoconservatism shouldnt be discussed isnt it?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Good question. My answer is that the Neo-Cons have

not only proven themselves and their movememt to exist, through their manifesto (Rebuilding America's Defenses), but through that document have proven themselves to be behind our atrocity that is 9/11 - their "New Pearl Harbour". I have read or heard of no such specific Zionist organization, movement or agenda. It just sounds like a straw man to me. If you can enlighten me to legitimate information to prove otherwise, I would be interested and open-minded enough to read it.

"They took it from the top to the bottom, we're gonna take them from the bottom to the top." - Dan Wallace

My suggestion to you, sunder.

Travel a little further down the rabbit hole, you'll be amazed at what you find. I'm talking about history in general here, nothing specific what so ever. You'll soon realize that you are living in a manufactured reality. They win buy getting you conditioned to censor your own thoughts, I'm happy to see 911 has finally started waking people up.

both of them are by

both of them are by definition political movements. i think the better question is, why is it ok to talk about and scrutinize 1 and not the other?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Show "The goal of the Zionists ended the day the State of Israel" by sunderstorm

not quite

That's a rational guess, if you haven't studied the history of Zionism yet, but it's not accurate. Creation of the country was just 1 move in their overall design. Once created, it's served quite well as an "untouchable" (beyond criticism; any criticism is immediately and loudly equated with "anti-Semitism") instrument... but, don't listen to me, go check into this for yourself.

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But these days where does a neocon end and a Zionist begin?

Many are the same people.
I think we can all agree that 911 created the excuse to invade and conquer Iraq and we now hear the war drums for Iran too. Whatever motivated the current plan to invade and conquer the Middle East is most definitely tied to 911, and therefore should be of interest to those trying to get to the bottom of 911 Truth.

Certainly PNAC’s manifesto is part of that Plan. But even before that in 1996, there was “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (for Israel):

Some excerpts:

"Moving to a Traditional Balance of Power Strategy"
"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions."

"Securing the Northern Border"
"Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon"


A Clean Break called for the removal of Saddam (long before 911), as well as neutralizing of Iran, Syria and Lebanon so that none of Israel’s neighbors could try and stop the ongoing land grabs and Palestinian Holocaust being perpetrated by Israel. It’s authors include Richard Perle, David Wurmser and Douglas Feith. You may recall that Douglas Feith was implicated (along with DOD Undersecretary then World Bank Head Paul Wolfowitz) in the Israeli Spy scandal, and he was the traitor in Rumsfeld’s Office of “Special” Plans (OSP) who created the false Iraq Intel that helped LIE our Nation into war.

Here are a few Feith links to check out.
Just Google “Feith” + “Israel” or “Iraq”, and you will have plenty more to read.

“The Spies Who Pushed For War”,2763,999737,00.html

Considering that a large portion of PNAC members are Zionists, could PNAC’s RAD have been a reformatted camouflaged version of A Clean Break, intended for consumption by and with inspiration for the US Military Industrial Complex and Cheney's secret energy cabal to get on board too?
What a dream team of partners in crime that would be!
Implement Zionist's master plan for Israel + Steal All the Oil for the US + Make Lots of Money Doing Both….and as a bonus keep 30% of the US population delighted in anticipating Armageddon to help keep Congress appear impotent.
Who is pulling ALL the strings though is the big question.
The PNAC/Peak Oil Warriors have been often cited as the "obvious justification" for US imperialism in the Middle East, with Iraqi and Iranian Oil being the big prize.
But why do we also hear about the need to attack Lebanon and Syria?
Indeed, how did our overnight expressing even more cluster bombs to help Israel bomb Lebanon back to the stone age last summer (even after a cease fire had been “scheduled”) help the US in trying to seize the Oil in Iraq and Iran?
To answer those questions, you need to ask people like Feith, Perle, Zackheim, Wurmser, Kristol, Wolfowitz, etc.

This site has a controversial but well resourced interpretation of what may be going on:

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke, 1729 - 1797

self examination and some good news

I, you and others are touching on the big picture: the need for people to disassociate from their entrenched alignments - faith or otherwise, and to to self-examine and question their own. Christians vs Christians, Jews vs Jews, Muslim vs Muslims and so on. Many Israelis are questioning and longing for justice for the Palestinians.

and some good stuff from a dear Jewish friend:
Israeli and Palestinian peace groups will be coalescing (sp?) to
protest Israeli occupation since 1967. There will be events taking
place in different locations from June 5 to June 11. I don't know
whether there will be corresponding protests in the U.S., but we can at
least become aware of what's going on over there. Check out two web

When I question Zionistic involvement in 9/11, I try not to forget the desires and greed of the so-called Christians.
David Ray Griffin is right on with this.

many Zionists are...

Christians. That is an erroneous position for them IMO, caused by their accepting certain highly dubious assertions. That may be a bit beyond the scope of this web site to discuss so I'll leave it at that unless someone else wants to jump in. I'll just add that nobody in my life had ever suggested to me that Christians should not be Zionists until recently, while all throughout my life I've heard "America's best ally, Israel" and "God's chosen people" and "creation of the state of Israel fulfilled end-times prophecy in 1948" etc. etc. in countless different places from countless respected (by me and those around me, anyway) mouths. In short, I had absolutely no idea this was even debatable among Christians.

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I will bite my tongue!

Yes, the resulting forensic testing will be informative -- I don't think that they know yet who was in those graves. (I think it's horrible whoever was in there.) It's just hard for me not to ask questions or to let stuff lie that seems illogical. I have to bite my tongue a lot!

Which historical holocaust do you refer to?

How come no one is whining about the holocaust of the indigenous peoples of North America? Do they have a holocaust museum? How come no one is whining about the holocaust of the West African slaves? Do they have a holocaust museum? How come no one is whining about the century-long holocaust of the Palestinians? Do they have a holocaust museum? How come no one is whining about the holocaust of the Iraqis or Lebanese? Do they have a holocaust museum? Will they get one in Washington, DC? No they will not, because there is only one "true Holocaust" that we must constantly whine about -- one that, if research is honestly done, did historically happen, but was vastly exaggerated as to the numbers of victims so as to facilitate a shifty little real estate deal that atheist, fake Jews engineered with the British empire as they sought to dismantle the Ottoman Empire after World War I. This is all in the history books which are hidden from you as students. Read, Read, Read, Kill Your TV!!!!

Yuh huh.

Double standards. I have yet to research the details of the Holocaust, but I think I am definitely going to start pointing out those vociferous whiners, that maybe they should speak up just as loudly for other oppressed peoples.

I think we should have a database of REAL history... Is that what they're doing over at cooperative
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Don't forget the Stalinist genocide

...60 million by some accounts.

Lazio, I am with you. Thank you for your insights. I think that YOU are brave.

Was Bollyn investigating

Was Bollyn investigating this?

Whether this was a foiled Mossad job or not, I am intrigued by its absence from the official narrative.

Maybe Dan went "off the reservation" on this one.

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson


WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!... rage against the machine!!

Time to whip out one of the classics!

Brotha, did ya forget ya name?
Did ya lose it on the wall
Playin' tic-tac-toe?

Yo, check the diagonal
Three million gone
Come on
Cause they're counting backwards to zero

The environment exceeding on the level
Of our unconciousness
For example
What does the billboard say
Come and play, come and play
Forget about the movement

Anger is a gift

Freedom, Freedom, yeah right

"Settle for Nothing"

Read my writing on the wall
No-one's here to catch me when I fall
If ignorance is bliss, then knock the smile off my face

If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
Settle for nothing now
And we'll settle for nothing later
If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
We'll settle for nothing now
And we'll settle for nothing later

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Thankyou man, I needed the shot there is no choice........

but to take the power back! Peace is definately not an option but a product of decent, resistance and ultimately blood!

No where to go now........?

WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!... rage against the machine!!

Rage Against the Machine

I love that group! I saw them play Golden Gate Park in SF. The trees were shaking and vibrating. You could hear them all the way up to Geary Blvd. They were LOUD and ANGRY.

We need them now more than ever.

They should reunite and do a new album!!
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Could be on the cards now that Audio Slave broke up, I hear...

it was because of a lack of will on Cornells part to do some political tunes!

What do you guys know about that?

WE GOT TO TAKE THE POWER BACK!... rage against the machine!!

Haven't been keeping up with Audioslave...

Although I probably should get a few of their albums. The first one was solid. Just nothing that shines as brightly as either of the two original groups. I thought I heard about a possible Soundgarden reunion a while ago... Maybe that also had something to do with it? We need Rage more right now though. Zack, we need that FIYAH!!!!
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

What do you think of

Tom morello's new solo protest CD, The Nightwatchman? I am sampling now. Also picked up
Remo Conscious - his music will be featured on the new Loose Change..

Police State 2007-Bulls On

Police State 2007-Bulls On Parade(RATM)

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Any news about Matt's whereabouts?

Is he still in custody? Is he free?

interns < internets

This is very disturbing. In

This is very disturbing. In the second video, it was right for Alex Jones to be forceably removed from the press conference because he wasn't just "asking a question". In asking many questions and not waiting for any answers, he was essentially protesting in what was supposed to be a press conference. But the way the reporters were treated at the Giuliani press conference does herald the emerging police state. And considering espionage charges??! What the hell has happened to this country?

Alex was more than just forcibly removed. They clearly tried to

intimidate him & they roughed-up his cameraman. I suppose they also checked his IDs & made a record of all his personal info.

not only that, but if i

not only that, but if i remember correctly, they simply drove Alex around in the squad car for about an hour and then just dropped him off on some random road. weird shit.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

AJ was right

Shit. I used to think that AJ was paranoid. Now I see that he was right. This is a police state.

Of course, none of this will appear anywhere in the mainstream press.

We've got to shout loud and clear about this one. What is the news about Matt? How can we help? How about flooding the police dept and/or justice dept with calls and emails? Anybody got any suggestions??


New Hampshire State Motto...

... is "Live Free or Die"

It is painfully obvious that in order for any of us to live free from this point forward, some of us are going to have to die. If the mainstream media fails to pick up on this, we all have to redouble our efforts and do whatever it takes to alert America to what is going on.

Whatever ammunition purchases you may have planned already, I suggest that you double it.


If the police don't know or don't care about the oath(s) they have sworn then, the police state is already here. Tere is no way in bloody hell that this could be construed as criminal trespass by anyone other than a tyrant. The only remedy that a Guiliani staff member has, by law, requires that person to swear an affidavit, as the police were not witnesses to any crime.

New Hampshire State Constitution:

[Art.] 8. [Accountability of Magistrates and Officers; Public’s Right to Know.] All power residing originally in, and being derived from, the people, all the magistrates and officers of government are their substitutes and agents, and at all times accountable to them. Government, therefore, should be open, accessible, accountable and responsive. To that end, the public’s right of access to governmental proceedings and records shall not be unreasonably restricted.

[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

[Art.] 14. [Legal Remedies to be Free, Complete, and Prompt.] Every subject of this state is entitled to a certain remedy, by having recourse to the laws, for all injuries he may receive in his person, property, or character; to obtain right and justice freely, without being obliged to purchase it; completely, and without any denial; promptly, and without delay; conformably to the laws.

[Art.] 15. [Right of Accused.] No subject shall be held to answer for any crime, or offense, until the same is fully and plainly, substantially and formally, described to him; or be compelled to accuse or furnish evidence against himself. Every subject shall have a right to produce all proofs that may be favorable to himself; to meet the witnesses against him face to face, and to be fully heard in his defense, by himself, and counsel. No subject shall be arrested, imprisoned, despoiled, or deprived of his property, immunities, or privileges, put out of the protection of the law, exiled or deprived of his life, liberty, or estate, but by the judgment of his peers, or the law of the land; provided that, in any proceeding to commit a person acquitted of a criminal charge by reason of insanity, due process shall require that clear and convincing evidence that the person is potentially dangerous to himself or to others and that the person suffers from a mental disorder must be established. Every person held to answer in any crime or offense punishable by deprivation of liberty shall have the right to counsel at the expense of the state if need is shown; this right he is at liberty to waive, but only after the matter has been thoroughly explained by the court.

[Art.] 19. [Searches and Seizures Regulated.] Every subject hath a right to be secure from all unreasonable searches and seizures of his person, his houses, his papers, and all his possessions. Therefore, all warrants to search suspected places, or arrest a person for examination or trial in prosecutions for criminal matters, are contrary to this right, if the cause or foundation of them be not previously supported by oath or affirmation; and if the order, in a warrant to a civil officer, to make search in suspected places, or to arrest one or more suspected persons or to seize their property, be not accompanied with a special designation of the persons or objects of search, arrest, or seizure; and no warrant ought to be issued; but in cases and with the formalities, prescribed by law.

[Art.] 22. [Free Speech; Liberty of the Press.] Free speech and liberty of the press are essential to the security of freedom in a state: They ought, therefore, to be inviolably preserved.

[Art.] 30. [Freedom of Speech.] The freedom of deliberation, speech, and debate, in either house of the legislature, is so essential to the rights of the people, that it cannot be the foundation of any action, complaint, or prosecution, in any other court or place whatsoever.

[Art.] 33. [Excessive Bail, Fines, and Punishments Prohibited.] No magistrate, or court of law, shall demand excessive bail or sureties, impose excessive fines, or inflict cruel or unusual punishments.

[Art.] 34. [Martial Law Limited.] No person can, in any case, be subjected to law martial, or to any pains or penalties by virtue of that law, except those employed in the army or navy, and except the militia in actual service, but by authority of the legislature.

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Like I said

Point of no return.
Courage, people. It's going to get ever scarier from now on.
This is the fight of our lives, no mistaking it.

Not just of our lives,

but the fight of all history combined. Never in our country's history have we been faced with such blatant evil, and yet the majority (still) aren't even beginning to wake up to the facts. I fear we may have to take our "awakening" efforts to all the media outlets that seek to distract people from the truth. I'm talking about taking huge banners and signs, as well as staging sit-ins to events like "American Idol", MTV, and Hollywood movie premiers and especially awards ceremonies. These are the main obstacles that prevent people from WANTING to wake up to the harsh facts of our growing tyrannical government and society.

Something has got to give, and I think that soon it WILL. Very soon now, folks.

Hell yes!!!!!!!!

Excellent idea TruthNow!!!!!!!!

START JAMMING HOLLYWOOD EVENTS!!!!!!!! Don't just wait for politicians to come to town. TRUTH SQUADS, START HITTING CELEBRITIES!!!!! CRASH ANY EVENT YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING TOWN HALL MEETINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine


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I have just personally called the New Hampshire State Police and was told the following:

Unless we can identify the name of the arresting trooper, we cannot obtain any information about Matt Lepacek's arrest last night.
They have made no attempt to release a press release, and unless we obtain the name of the arresting officer - we will not be able
to obtain any public information.

Everyone keep calling, hound them until they release information.

And if anyone can find the name of the arresting officer, it will help greatly.


"Sorry, Sir -- unless you provide the name of the shooter, we cannot obtain any information about your brother's murder last night. What are we? Criminal investigators?"

interns < internets

I just called

the Director's office and was transferred to a supervisor. She (the supervisor) said I had to direct any questions to the Secret Service.

Felony criminal trespass,

Felony criminal trespass, espionage, and now... the Secret Service? This is absolutely ludicrous.

How do you pronounce "Lepacek"?

Wouldn't want to call and incorrectly pronounce his last name.

EDIT: Sorry about that. On careful review of the last portion of the video, I got my answer.

So this is what it has come to... 2007 Amerika: The Police, instead of acting as protectors of the First Amendent, are enforcers to suppress it.

Thugs of the Corporatocracy, not servants of the people.

Ask the wrong question and all it takes is look and gesture from the right cog in the machinery of power, and you're on your way to imprisonment.

If this outrage is allowed

If this outrage is allowed to stand it will become precedent for independent media suppression.

Enough noise must be made that even Blitzer hears it in his "Situation Room".

Many police and military are necessarily authoritarian personalities, but most are decent and might be expected to respect the Constitution. As Chris Hedges writes (and this only recently would have been considered a "paranoid rant" even in the "alternative" media), it is the sudden ascension of "private security" that should concern us most:

The Blackwater types will not hesitate to smash cameras and heads. They won't even wait for the nod from their masters.

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

Welcome to the Police State!

Do you know who Christopher Bollyn is? Constitution? What Constitution? Read the Second Amendment.

off topic: British TV on 7/7 and 9/11 theories

UKs Channel 4 report on 7/7 theories
says sites list evidence which apparently doesn't add up

False Flag Terror History

ATTENTION: Free State Project Members


Someone there in NH associated with the Free State Project needs to get on this immediately!

Do not hesitate. Be a Minuteman.

Please seek help in filing a writ of habeus corpus for Matt Lepacek! This needs to be done now and should be filed by a NH state Citizen. Then, please help Matt Lepacek file charges against the NH State Police for the blatant violation of his UNALIENABLE Rights. His Rights violated are not constitutional rights, they are UNALIENABLE Rights.

This violation of his Rights is of the most egregious kind and needs to be countered swiftly and harshly. This MUST be used to send a message to law enforcement, the media, and the scum who control them.

"Live Free Or Die"

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Habeus Corpus no longer exists

thanks to both Patriot Act documents (vomit) and the Military Commissions Act 2006, all they need to do is inject "espionage" or "terr" and deem you as having committed such acts and bam, youre done. They may or may not enforce it at this juncture, and may let him go, but still, no one is safe. They will begin enforcing it soon...

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Actually Habeas Corpus does

Actually Habeas Corpus does still exist. This is part of the psychological warfare against us. We have unalienable rights that are given to us by our creator. The government passes the patriot act and military commissions acts as a psychological maneuver. The passing of these acts are unconstitutional and they are therefore null and void. It's as simple as that.

Go read the Constitution. It lays all of this out. The founding fathers were no dummies. They knew how to insure our freedoms. People need to realize that these "acts" and "laws" are null and void PERIOD of they go against the Constitution. The lawmakers passing them should be held for treason against America. The police and military must me informed about how they are to respond to null and void laws such as these.

Everyone needs to read the Constitution to prevent further psychological conditioning which is intended in making us THINK that we "lost" rights.

Go read it. NOW!

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

I just heard that Lepacek has been released...

I heard this from a caller to Katherine Albrecht's show on .

$400 bail

Has not received all of his equipment back yet. Can someone please confirm this?

Charges still need to be filed against the arrestingly despotic "officers" immediately.

Matt, please don't shrug this off. Pursue this vigrously!

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Who won the third GOP

Who won the third GOP presidential debate?
Rudy Giuliani 44%
Mitt Romney 14%
John McCain 14%
Ron Paul 12%
Tommy Thompson 5%
Mike Huckabee 4%
Tom Tancredo 3%
Duncan Hunter 2%
Sam Brownback 2%
Jim Gilmore 1%
Total Votes: 52,729
Note on Poll Results

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA


"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)


after sitting through that two hour bullshit fest, it's horrible to see those three golden children at the top, but it's sort of surprising to see Ron come in fourth, and in the double digits.

so disgusted with everything these days.

Ron Paul Winning CNN Debate Poll

Ron Paul is leading in every catagory of the CNN online debate poll (apart from snappiest dresser, a vital issue in Which Mitt Romney leads the way) Click to enlarge.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Romney: "Snappiest Dresser"

...damning with faint praise, isn't it?

Yeah, what a stupid question.

Why not ask; "For whom do you think Paris Hilton would vote?"
(Assuming she's not in jail for a felony)

Why don't

say how many voters there were?

Show "ALEX, contain yourself" by hardimizzen2

CNN coverage this morning

Showed a clip of Ron Paul from last night, labeled as Sam Brownback! AArrrgh!

Who is the guy being interviewed?

He asked for documentation of the question. Then he gets the guy arrested. Then he turns around and says" "Would the 'real press' like to ask any questions." Then he says it is "sabotage stuff."

The "real press." That must make corporate media journalists really proud to be called "real" by this guy.

he is...

Ed Goeas

Ed Goeas is President and C.E.O. of The Tarrance Group, one of the most respected and successful Republican survey research and strategy teams in American politics today.

Widely recognized as one of the country's leading political strategists, Goeas is an often sought after consultant. Goeas and his partners Dave Sackett and Brian Tringali currently serve as pollster to five Republican Governors, ten U.S. Senators, and forty-seven Republican Members of Congress. Among his clients are Senator Trent Lott (MS), Senator Mike DeWine (OH), Congressman John Boehner (OH), Congressman Zach Wamp (TN), and Governor Haley Barbour (MS).

In addition to his campaign work, Goeas works in partnership with Democratic pollster Celinda Lake on the nationally recognized "Battleground" poll - one of the country's most respected national, political research programs. Lake and Goeas also conduct an array of bipartisan issue work for organizations across the nation, providing a balanced, bipartisan perspective on the key issues facing the nation.

Goeas consults on an array of policy concerns such as education policy, health care, immigration law, and youth voting trends to name a few.

Goeas has been widely published in professional and academic journals, including the Yale Law and Policy Review, on a variety of public policy issues based on his national research. Goeas has also worked on a number of foreign campaigns in Russia, Greece, Hungary, France, and the Philippines.

Frequently sought as a political analyst, Goeas regularly appears on national public affairs programs including: Meet the Press, This Week, Good Morning America, The Today Show, The News Hour with Jim Lehrer, FOX News with Brit Hume, C-Span and CNN Inside Politics.

During the 1994 election cycle, Goeas was recognized by Democrat and Republican members of the American Association of Political Consultants as "Pollster of the Year."

In his more than twenty-five years of working professionally in politics, he has served as the National Political Director of the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), a field operative for the Republican National Committee, campaign manager in several campaigns, and Chief of Staff to a U.S. Congressman.

Ed Goeas is married to Lisa Goeas who currently works raising funds for Cornerstone Community School, a private school in Washington, D.C. for inner-city kids. Ed has two daughters, Jenn (22), Emma (4), and a new son, Robert, who was born on October 23, 2004.

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Why does an arrest get more attention than a guilty verdict?

What is the big deal?
Did they TASER this guy for being a controversial journalist?
Did they break his elbow for being a controversial journalist?
Did they find him guilty of "aggravated assault and resisting arrest" for being a controversial journalist?
So why is he on the priority list?

Don't get me wrong, I think this case deserves a lot of attention, but can somebody explain to me the deafening silence in truth-groups about the Bollyn case?

From the Bollyn website

" On June 5, 2007, on the fourth day of a jury trial, a 12-person jury heard before the Hon. Hyman I. Riebman, the jury found me guilty of both misdemeanor charges that I faced: aggravated assault and resisting arrest.
The sentencing is scheduled for June 25.
The Bollyn family and local supporters who were present at the trial are profoundly disappointed by the verdict.

I maintain that I am innocent of these charges and plan to appeal. Your prayers for guidance and support are most appreciated."

Hope Dr. Steven Jones is still paying attention

This is an excerpt of the letter he sent to Chicago officials of the Hoffman Estates area

23 May 2007

To Whom It May Concern:

I understand that my colleague and friend Christopher Bollyn was subjected to TASER shocking by members of the Hoffman Estates Police Department while he was handcuffed – in a community in your jurisdiction or area. I consider this barbaric action shameful and "cruel and unusual punishment," forbidden in the U.S. Constitution. I further understand that Christopher will now be subjected to a trial (Case No. 06MC3005170). In my opinion, it will be the Hoffman Estates Police Department and local leaders who will be on trial, if this trial goes forward.

I have known Christopher Bollyn as a decent and loving family man. I respect him and the rights of all those who speak out in defense of Constitutional principles of human dignity and freedom as he has done in his job as an investigative reporter.


Dr. Steven E. Jones

Professor of Physics (ret.)
PhD, Vanderbilt University 1978

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Thank you Dr. Jones

Thank you for supporting a courageous freedom fighter. You are one of the few "truthers" who refuses to play along with the Zionazis' " you're an anti-Semite for revealing our genocidal crimes of 9/11 and the Palestinian Holocaust " dog and pony show. That takes a lot of courage and we stand with you and Christopher. If I start a flame war here over these truths, so be it. Gloves off truth time Mahfahkez!!!!!

Watching Christopher and Matt...

Very disappointed that my friend and colleague Christopher Bollyn was convicted on two counts... HE was the one assaulted while trying to find out why these guys were scoping out his family's home. He had every right to ask them about it. And Matt had every right to ask his question!

If the choice next November is Guiliani or Hillary (sigh)... But we have time left to do something for positive change...

the choice next November is Guiliani or Hillary

The more I watch these conventions, the more it seems this is how they've arranged it.

You may be right.

But I think Fred Thompson's going to make a run and possibly win the Republican nomination, though it would be nice to see Ron Paul go against Hillary..!
On the 11th day, of every month.

yeah, well...

...we're unarranging it.

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Dr.Steven Jones-in-da-house!

Sir, we are honoured!

Hi, Outside of the Bolyn


Outside of the Bolyn website that you cited, I could not find any news on the conviction. The closest I got was the Chicago Tribune website (searched via Google news) which discussed the case but did not mention the conviction.,1,5...

I hope the movement can give this priority along with Matt's case and raise a racket in the media. Bolyn deserves everyone's support.

A Filipino for 9-11 truth

Mr. Gold, DZ, or GW please put the above video on the frontpage.

This Christopher Bollyn lecture in Utah should be required watching for all real and fearless Truthers, 9/11 family members, and so-called "newbies" alike. Mr. Bollyn covers all the bases here and does so fearlessly. It is time for the good Jewish people to wake up and realize that they are being lied to and murdered by Nazis wearing Star of David medallions on their chests. You are often so worried about our PR image, but that is a groundless worry. I'll tell you what our PR image is -- the Zionist-controlled media has taught the information-deprived masses that we are a bunch of American-hating loonies. We cannot hide and compromise the truth so that maybe someday the New York Times' of the world will come over to our side. Screw the PR and the coddling of "newbies". JUST TELL THE TRUTH and STAND UP. Don't worry about what the LIARS may think. Their empire is about to fall into the dustbin of history. The fall of the Roman Empire is imminent. The freedom-fighters are at the gates!

on that note...

There is some racist, homophobic, sexist bigotry in here, but this link shows, supposedly, who owns what. That information should be verifiable:


p.s. For what it's worth,I think the Bollyn stuff belongs on the front page, too.

This will be covered by CNN on today's news?

It will, won't it?

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

Matt Lepacek will be interviewed on the Alex Jones Show...

in a few minutes. Live streams to listen here:

He's on NOW


Download the entire show @

After clicking on the above link, click on "Alex Jones Radio Archive" then click on "2007" then click on "June" then right click on today's show "aj_2007-06-06.mp3" & choose "save as" to download.

(That website doesn't allow hotlinking and that's why I didn't post the direct link the audio file)

Interview with Matt Lepacek starts approximately 20 minutes in.

"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Multiple Constitutional Violations!

Send emails to the New Hampshire State Police demanding that charges be dropped. Also, send links to this article to television, radio, and newspapers everywhere. Make sure you hit the small ones - they're less likely to be controlled. I told a reporter in South Bend about Kevin Ryans letter, he reported on the matter, and it went global. It wouldn't have gone out on the wires if a large agency had been involved.

The key is to act quickly before preliminary procedures are underway. This is a HUGE freedom of speech/freedom of press issue.

Good News!

This story is #1 on Digg's top ten list!

When a fighter over-extends, they are vulnerable

the fascists are over-extending themselves in order to try to protect themselves, and in doing so they are making themselves off-balance and weak.

Its like the fire hoses being used on protestors in the 60's in Alabama. They over-played their hand. That turned public opinion against the rascists.

This incident, will create 100's more Luke Rudowskis

Who are absolutely fearless in their opposition, and that creates a type of electrical charge to shock and awe the power elites with.

By breaking through the fear barrier, I contend that we will claim the moral highground on these jerks, and whoever can take the high ground wins the battle.

Fearlessness is the key. Fearlessnes, without recklessness. You still need tact and poise and grace, in the absence of fear to most effectively confront, and overcome. Jesus and Ghandi tell us that.
On the 11th day, of every month.

Jesus, Gandhi, and Malcolm X

are coming back, they are really pissed, and this time they are armed to the teeth. At times like these, all the peaceniks will be peacefully herded into the dissident Halliburton detention camps. Hippy-time flower power is over. Stand up or watch your family die.

Heh, Gandhi ][


interns < internets

Gandhi II

That's what I was talkin' about! Thanks Bruce!


Oh my. I guess everybody has a breaking point!

(Or a bending point...)
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Name spelling

That's 'Rudkowski'--the 'd' is followed by a 'k'.

It really gets to me...

As someone mentioned before.....watching the guys being "escorted" out while other reporters ask "what was your question?" is seriously moving - and only makes my mind more focussed.

There is ZERO justification

for his arrest and the charges are absurd, and though I may get voted down for saying this, I think his approach sucked, and was WAY too aggressive. He became combative right out of the gate, and was belligerant in his questioning. Still, that's no justification for his arrest, and the charges against him are absurd.

And yes, we need to be talking up the Chris Bolynn situation just as much if not even moreso.
On the 11th day, of every month.

We are always learning.

In different forums and settings, the approach needs to be changed. In a situation like that, you allow the frame of the question itself to do the work for you, and you should make a point of carrying yourself with the utmost grace and confidence so as to reveal the difference between you and your "subject" though body language which comprises up to 90% or more, of communication, where the MEANING of communication, is the response you get. I don't fault Matt for being too aggressive. He was probably scared and nervous, and Luke has been his model for these types of confrontations, but the situation was different, and he should have been more in the role of a conscienscious reporter, simply asking tough questions. There was no need to be so confrontational in demeanour. Live and learn.

Again, I am NOT placing blame on him for what happened to him, which was wrong. Just observing.

For example, you do not need to shout "anwer the question" when asking it, instead maybe capturing their reaction as they look at you and then turn away, refusing to answer, which could sspeak volumes more than their actual verbal response to the question itself.

Mastery over this new type of "truth squad action" is what we need.
On the 11th day, of every month.


These guys deserve a donation for putting their asses on the line like this.

As the corporatists say, vote with your dollars!

in line

Luke's previous confrontations (not all of them) were disappointing to me. When he's interviewed towards the end of this video I was happy to see Luke speaking clear, calm, and collective about the arrest. He didn't get emotionally and incoherent ranting about CFR scum....

He seemed...grown up.

I will donate.

Good job guys.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

Criminal Indictments Sought

Criminal Indictments Sought Against Police, Giuliani Staffers Who Had Reporter Arrested For Asking Question

Screw criminal indictements....

Sue their asses in civil court! Hit 'em in their pockets! It's all they really care about. Criminals can be pardoned. A'la Scooter Libby!
"Cogito ergo sum"

Whatever they do, or do not do

serves to accelerate the movement of our movement, though it moves even faster when they do shit like this.

I percieve, that in the spirit of Ghandi, or even Christ, that we can really give it to them, with fearless and graceful opposition which is totally in their face, and then reflected to the public at large via the Internet as the preferred many to many medium of choice, which is also capable of injecting the information into the MSM.

This is a new phenomenon, this camera crew "9/11 truth squad" Youtube action. This event, this incident, ought to serve to help us perfect the new medium of mass communication and dissemination.

I hope that activist truthers join this "We Are Change" squad on a Nation wide basis, and begin mobilizing relative to the campaign schedules of the Presidential candidates. Press passes might not be as easily aquired now however..

Imagine a 9/11 truth squad at EVERY event, stalking them all throughout the entire campaign cycle..
On the 11th day, of every month.

Criminal indictments have a

Criminal indictments have a stronger effect. We must enforce the law. They would rather have us sue them.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

Show "Usama Bin Laden" by Amanda Reconwit...
Show "I am sorry Alex Jones" by hardimizzen2

hardimizzen2, required viewing...

The Money Masters ...

Part 1 of 2
Part 2 of 2
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Show "Viewing?" by hardimizzen2

where's your evidence on 9/11

Are you saying that you believe the official government conspiracy theory about 9/11? Let's use "reason and logic" - be my guest! E

Show "Haven't You seen my above" by hardimizzen2

Whoa, here comes the Fed's trollguard!

a premiere, isn't it? Does that mean the 9/11 base is now belong to us, officially? Retreat to headquarters!

interns < internets

Somebody set up us the bomb!!

I had to do it.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

that crazy 1%

I'm still waiting for the "reasonable scientific thinking." Fork it over or leave this site.

-6 points huh? Tell you somethin?

Emotion & faith (blind?) vs. logic & reason?


I vote logic & reason...but we may be too late.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever

good grief; first time on the Internet for you??

"Be honest, haven't you believed videos about aliens??
Wouldn't you believe literally everything if it was presented to you in the right way???"

It's as though you're trying to do a vampy version of an undercover interviewer for the corporate media, pretending to be trying to catch a real-life "conspiracy theorist" admitting their gullibility.

Actually, it's pretty funny. :-) So... who ARE you?

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Its not an alex jones video

you spamming fucking moron. go the fuck away.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Ummm it's not an "Alex Jones" video foo

"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Here is the Giuliani Campaign Number


Fire at will!
On the 11th day, of every month.


This is out of control.

New Hampshire State Troopers take orders from fascist press agents?

Then they commit a conspiracy to wrongfully arrest an individual who clearly WASN'T "trespassing."

This is wrongful arrest, a violation of the freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the fourth amendment right to be untouched by state police forces for committing NO CRIME!

They have no case whatsoever against Mark, thanks to the live web feed. If they thought they could just disappear his video tape they thought wrong.

If they did tamper with his videotape, that should be more evidence of their conspiracy against him to violate the laws and to destroy evidence that was exculpatory to the defendant.

Bring on the fucking lawyers.

This could finance Truth Movement Phase 2.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at--

And still it grows...

Looks like the Giuliani press secretary may have poked the sleeping bear with this move.
"Cogito ergo sum"

Top of the front page on RAW STORY now...

Reporter: Giuliani staffers had me arrested after debate

"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Criminal Indictments Sought

Criminal Indictments Sought Against Police, Giuliani Staffers Who Had Reporter Arrested For Asking Question
Eyewitnesses describe how Secret Service were directing arrest, intimidation of group

Matt Lepacek, the reporter who was kicked out of the CNN press room and arrested after asking Rudy Giuliani's staff a question, has now been released on bail. Criminal indictments are now being pursued against the police involved as well as Giuliani's staffers for their flagrant abuse of the First Amendment, assault and wrongful arrest.

Lepacek was told that other eyewitnesses saw police stamp on one of the cameras as it lay on the floor.

Another eyewitness said that the entire arrest was clearly being directed by Secret Service, who were ordering the police to threaten anyone who asked questions about the incident with arrest.

Lepacek was later released on $400 bail but faces charges of criminal trespassing even though he had obtained a CNN press pass well in advance and the debate was a public event. State police have refused to hand back electronic equipment that they seized from the group.

CNN staff attempted to dissuade police from arresting Lepacek as he was led out into the parking lot but were ignored.

We are now being inundated by media requests and expect this controversy to receive attention on the major news networks and newspapers over the coming days.

The fact that the Giuliani camp views it as legitimate to have members of the media intimidated, assaulted and arrested for asking a question should be a wake up call for the kind of America Giuliani would oversee as a future President and this incident should contribute to derailing his entire campaign.

The actions of the New Hampshire State Police were completely unconstitutional and we are now pursuing criminal indictments against the police involved as well as the Giuliani staffers that assaulted the group and their property, and demanding that any charges against Matt Lepacek be dropped immediately.

This represents a flagrant abuse of the First Amendment, clear wrongful arrest and an act of official oppression.

More on this story as it develops.......

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

"Another eyewitness said that the entire arrest was....

.....clearly being directed by Secret Service, who were ordering the police to threaten anyone who asked questions about the incident with arrest."


The same guys who laconically let Bush twist in the wind at Booker while this nation was under attack, are hyper-vigilant storm troopers when it comes to throttling members of the press doing their jobs.

yep, says a lot doesnt it?

yep, says a lot doesnt it? after the last time Giuliani was confronted, he probably made sure to lay out a plan to deal with 9/11 truthers etc. may it never stop right up until hes either elected president or loses in the primaries. this criminal should be followed everywhere.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

copied this from a digg comment go get em

Contact the New Hampshire state police Director’s Office: (603) 271-2450

Or any of the following individual NH police stations may have responded, so contact them directly:

Troop A
Epping, NH 03042
Phone: (603) 679-3333

Troop B
Milford, NH 0305
Phone: (603) 672-3333

Troop D
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: (603) 271-3333

Various Goffstown, NH (where the arrest took place) town e-mail address: - City selectman e-mail .. or call them directly at (603) 886-6024 - David French, oversight committee contact

Contact Rudy's 2008 campaign directly:

Official contact number: 212-835-9449

Elitist posing as blogger posing as journalist claims...

Activist posing as reporter arrested

Wednesday June 06th 2007, 11:25 am
Filed under: Blog Posts

Matt Lepacek, an activist for 9/11 conspiracy group, was arrested in the Spin Room after last night’s debate. He confronted Giuliani pollster Ed Goeas with all sorts of wild accusations about Giuliani’s involvement in and coverup of the 9/11 attacks, and he wouldn’t stop shouting over all the reporters trying to ask serious questions. The police escorted him away and arrested him for trespassing, apparently. You can watch a video of the confrontation here.

I watched the whole thing, and it was clear that the guy was a political activist, not a journalist. I’m a believer in broadening the definition of journalist. I think some bloggers function as journalists, even if they lack some training or are biased, and I was pleased that the debate organizers gave press credentials to numerous bloggers, including Manchester’s Conservative Blogger and Green Mountain Politics 1. The trouble with activists like Lepacek is that their antics not only make it more difficult for everyone else to do their jobs, but they reduce the chances that organizers of future events will give credentials to bloggers and other non-mainstream media groups. Because of this stupid incident, some bloggers might find it more difficult to get credentialed for future events in New Hampshire.

Interestingly, Lepacek was not the only one arrested in the Spin Room this week. The Nation’s Eric Alterman was arrested for trespass after Sunday night’s Democratic debate. Here’s Alterman’s version of that incident, which I did not witness.

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hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge...

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

I posted

...but it's not showing up.

As did I...

...and mine is not showing up either. So, I will copy my comment here:

Since when is a question an accusation? The question was asked repeatedly because it was never answered. It was a very serious question. No less serious than any other question being asked by persons whom you may believe to be "journalists" because they hold some fancy certificate in their name. It may come as a surprise to you but, the Rights guaranteed by the First Amendment are INDIVIDUAL Rights. These Rights are possessed by all Americans who choose to defend them from any and ALL enemies, foreign or domestic.

Why did Rudy Guiliani lie to Sabrina Rivero on video last week regarding his prior knowledge of the collapse of the WTC tower(s)? Clearly, as can be discerned from an interview Guiliani gave to Peter Jennings shortly after the collapses, Guilini lied to Ms. Rivero. When and how did Guiliani become aware of the imminent collapse of the WTC tower(s) and who told him of the coming collapse. Why did Guiliani retreat from the area of the WTC and why weren't the police and fire departments given that same information? Why is Guiliani and his staff avoiding having to answer these questions? Guiliani expects us to entrust him with the highest office in the land and the most powerful government position in the world. He must first earn that trust. If Guiliani condones this kind of behavior from his staff, he is wholely unfit to occupy the office of the president of these united States.

However, the frightening question we all need to be asking is, where does a private citizen in the employ of another private citizen, who just happens to be running for political office, derive the authority to order state police officers to detain, arrest, harrass, and destroy the property of another private citizen who is exercising his fundamental and unalienable Rights, which are supposedly guaranteed free from government interference by the First Amendment to the Constitution?

If you are a really journalist, you will seek answers to these questions and factually report your findings to your readers. If you are a fascist, you will censor this comment and earn brownie points with the powers of the emerging police state. Just don't ask for help when they come for you.

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Who is the "engineer type person" who warned Giuliani

and how did he know the towers would collapse, when no one else on scene knew? I think that's the question that needs to be asked.

The forewarning of collapse at 9:57 on 9/11 is noted in the 9/11 Commission Report. Giuliani, if he cared to settle this, could simply point to that fact. But that might lead to the next question: how did the "engineer type person" know, and who was he?

Mr. Cline unable to mod his blawg...

...and add comments apparantly because he is still in repose in his coffin. It is still daylight in New Hamphire, after all.

However, if fascist, journalist wannbe, NWO shill Andrew Cline fails to add comments to his blawg, please feel free to email the scum bucket.

Andrew Cline

Activist posing as reporter arrested

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

does Cline have a point though?

While the police action was intolerable, Cline is probably right that the *demeanor* of the "conspiracy group" representatives provides an excuse for tightening up on press passes (with the real purpose, obviously, being to eliminate the *questions* they were asking).

I mean no offense to them whatsoever and salute them for getting into the ring and taking a swing, and I hope they and 1000 more continue doing so. This post is offered as constructive criticism.

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I don't think he was being too agressive at all.

They're in the middle of a throng of people. There was no personal space bubble there, hundreds were standing shoulder to shoulder. HIs questioning was persistent, as it should be. That is what real investigative journalism USED to look like. We've just been so desensitized to namby-pamby, soft-ball "journalism" over the last two decades, a real reporter looks like a "turrrrist" now.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine


You may have a point there. We agree that their behavior was different from that of the rest of the media reps; I guess it's equally viable that the Infowarriors were too aggressive or that the others were not aggressive enough. I'm scowling, trying to recall what press conferences used to look like when I was a kid... nope, it's been too long. I'll bet there's some footage on YT somewhere... too bad I'm already up too late and falling behind daily. :-/

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Lewis "Scooter" Libby's

Lewis "Scooter" Libby's prison sentence puts President Bush in the position of pardoning a convicted perjurer or letting a trusted aide head to prison. Do you think Bush will pardon Libby? * 37874 responses


Most likely.


Definitely not.

Not sure.

Do you think Bush should pardon Libby? * 38185 responses


Most likely.


Definitely not.

Not sure.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

American Reporter's Arrest Captured On YouTube

Rudy Giuliani’s campaign hates freedom
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening


Check out:

Second story down is "Infowars' Matt Lepacek arrested after GOP debate".

Here is Rivero's summary (note YOUTUBE link of previous Giuliani material):

The reporter, Matt Lepacek, had a valid press pass issued by CNN. Rudolph Giuliani's Press Secretary pointed at Mr. Lepacek, after refusing to answer any questions posed. New Hampshire State Troopers then removed Mr. Lepacek and charged him with "criminal trespassing" although there was no trespassing, and no crime occurred. This is clearly documented on the video feed.
Posted Jun 6, 2007 02:34 PM PST

Go to This YouTube video of Rudy Giuliani telling Peter Jennings that he was warned that the World Trade Towers were going to collapse. Rudy makes this admission about 1:05 into the clip.

Rudy cannot explain how or why he received an advance warning that the towers were going to collapse, and more to the point why the firefighters inside the towers were not given that same warning and given a chance to evacuate. So, Rudy has started telling everyone that he did NOT receive any early warning, and any reporters who show up with the tape of his comments to Peter Jennings is dealt with harshly.

If he acts this way as a candidate, he will act this way as President.

Geo Karras
Has anyone here heard of Geo Karras... who claims that most 911 groups are infiltrated by the government and police forces especially in New York?

He also claims that 911 was just a feud between the ruling elite and not an attack on America per se.
Also he would like to know how all the file cabinets (and many other things including people) in the World

Trade Center turned to dust without much of a trace if the only thing that was used was thermite?
Was thermite placed in every file cabinet?

Couldn't what we see in the collapse be a combination of thermite and some other incendiary force?
To my mind that would explain it much much better.

Inquiring minds want to know.
Someone please explain it to me so my faith in the 911 movement can remain strong!

I am with you guys by the way.


Let's see...

Filing cabinets are thin metal... enough thermate was used to cause massive destruction to the MASSIVE STRUCTURAL STEEL... We saw what thermate residue did to the cars in the immediate area... A car body is certainly more substantial than a filing cabinet... And the filing cabinets were RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE DESTRUCTION...

See, 9/11 groups can be infiltrated and it isn't going to make one bit of difference, because the essence of the movement is INFORMATION, in deed, the very TRUTH. Exactly what does it mean to infiltrate a group that operates without any secrecy? A group that is willing and eager to share its activities with the entire world...

We're with YOU, "Tony". Really, I mean it. I swear. We're with YOU.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

This is on Drudge now

This is a great example of rational activism. The reporter simply asked questions and has a video backing up his question. I think most people will see him being arrested as a chillingly moment in free speech as opposed to anything else. Great job WeAreChange, as always, keep up the fight.

Just tried calling Rudy's camp...

... was constantly told "They have no information regarding that for me."

I then told them I was a reporter looking to obtain information for an article, where I was then asked my media outlet. I - of course - made an online media outlet up and was told to contact the "Press Office" for more information.

I asked for the number of the Press Office, and they hung the phone up on me.

Kudos, Mr. Guiliani. You're a good person........ *emphasize sarcasm


Making stuff up? With a screen name like that? Seems kinda wrong, eh? Not that Ghouliani deserves any better, but that's not the point.

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please comment.....

and tell this guy to do his whole job and not just part of it:

American Reporter's Arrest Captured On YouTube

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I did...

... qua "Scandinavian".

blatant muslim/9-11 truth bashing

ifrom my local paper today:

Denying role in 9/11

Re: "Muslim, Arab and then American," by Mohammad Ali Salih (commentary, May 29):
I am disappointed that he did not attempt to explain a most upsetting aspect of the recent Pew Research Center's first-ever nationwide survey of Muslim Americans, which I have taken from the Pew web site. It says: "Just 40 percent of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks" (in reference to 9/11).
I do not know what Salih believes about the 9/11 attacks, but I do think that not believing they were carried out by Arabs is similar to not believing that there was slavery in America or a Holocaust in Europe. Creating one's own reality in the face of facts says something alarming and sad about the culture and faith that gives rise to such illusions.
Don Sable
Elkins Park

tell the editor how you feel. they print direct responses a lot if short and to the point.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Facts? What facts?

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It's getting very hard to stomach this stuff.

It's literally to the point where these people are just going "No, the sky is ORANGE, not blue".

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Get ur Gestapo On!

Welcome to the New America! Rudy Naziani is comin for you.

On a side note, what in BLAZES happened to yesterday's posts?

Not there:

This story just passed 6000 diggs and is no longer listed in the Top Ten. WTF is up @ DIGG?

digg is mind-control garbage

...but, I will go there to digg a worthy story for a worthy cause in the hope that it will bring another person around. Other than that, for me it's a worthless distraction.

"WTF is up @ DIGG?"

It's simple, really. Digg sux. They're (digg crew) commie bastards in league with Satan.

"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

Giuliani incident on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory!?

Posted at LC Forum:

Coast to Coast AM with George Noory begins in just a min....his first hour guest:

None other than Alex Jones and, I'm assuming, Matt and Luke from We Are Change!!! THIS IS HUGE! Here is a tune in link from my local affiliate:

Just started! TUNE IN NOW!!!!



I don't get the stream from here in Canada, unfortunately, but I thought I'd post this for our friends to the south.


Ok, found another link. Listening now..

Yep, they're on, and George is dumbfounded. 5-10 million listeners...!
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Live Free or Die

The bright side of this is that our courageous reporter will soon have funding for more Truth. He'll do quite well in the lawsuit. He also managed to ask serious questions in front of other reporters. So nervous was the press secretary that he had to tell everyone afterwards what had just occurred; as if they didn't have a brain and needed him to explain it for them.

Open Letter to Matt Lepacek and Alex Jones

Matt and Alex,

You are in a unique position with legal standing to file suit against those who denied your constitutional right to ask questions at the Republican debate in New Hampshire. Using police repression to stifle political speech is grounds for a lawsuit, and wrongful arrest on fictitious charges is going to bolster your case.

Here is what I propose you do to maximise the effectiveness, and to leverage this situation.

1) Consult lawyers in New Hampshire as well as other 911 experts like Phillip Berg.

2) Sue the State of New Hampshire, and if evidence exists of the Secret Service participating in this denial of rights, then also sue the United States government.

3) The amount should be at least $10 million, which will generate media attention, and it will alert people to the gravity of the situation.

4) SPECIFICALLY: Sue for the purpose of using this money to create a GRANT FOUNDATION that will dispense funds based on the interest that the principal earns each year for the pursuit of 9/11 Truth. The funds should be allocated for Investigation, Media, Advertising, etc. NOT FOR ANY PERSONAL GAIN. This will inform the judge and jury of the poliitical and ideological nature of the case, and that this isn't about personal gain or egos.

5) If you win, then the movement has a funding source in perpetuity, and will be a powerful tool to fight back against the corporate funded lies.

Please consider this proposal and strategy.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

Door of opportunity

Has this been emailed directly to these gentlemen?

This incident may offer great opportunities. I am sure you all will do your best to utilize them.


that doesn't hit the actual perps where it counts -- in THEIR PERSONAL wallets. I want to see these turkeys sued in their PERSONAL capacity. I want them all PERSONALLY bankrupt. That grin on Ed G's face has a rendezvous with the famous "dustbin of history", and a judgement against HIM is the way to make that happen.

Right? Or am I missing something here, like civil vs. criminal distinctions?

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NEW FOOTAGE CLEAR AUDIO multple camera angles


That's pretty insense! The only thing I'd add to the end of that, would be Giuliani's comment about a FREE PRESS from that very debate itself. Basically, he indicated that a FREE PRESS was one of the things that differentiate the United States from its enemies. Stick that on the very end, make a Youtube video out of the whole thing, and there it is! Then at some point soon, we should see it break into the mainstream media.
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Exactly Robert!

Let's get sharper with these opportunities, guys!! Giuliani's hypocrisy will be undeniable if this string of four or five videos is edited into one piece!!! I'm telling you, just edit all these items together, get it to enough people, get it in the main stream, and we've got the fucker!!

Keep working Ghouliani, make a compilation, hit the other shills the same way.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Already is edited together btw

Just needs that addition of his comment on a free press at the debate to make it complete, and then it needs to be Youtubed.
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Time, IS on our side. Yes it is!

Ideas based on the teachings of G. Edward Griffin, about how to take back the centers of power in service to Freedom.
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I'm pretty much on board with Griffin's ideas.

Something like this DEFINITELY needs to happen. An international, Human Constitution. Not to bind people together under a singular political structure, but to bind people together under the common goal of freedom, libery, and justice. They should also be bound together by common methods, by common education and training... A common pledge to put these ideas into ACTION, not just dream about them and spew empty words. Could be some kinks to iron out, but I think he's on the right track. As soon as I get myself out of Nowheresville USA, I'm going to seek out other Truthers and activists to start talking about this with.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

What do you think of my idea

of targeting one whole level of people through the Colleges, Universities, and the Churches. In my experience, once enlightened to 9/11 truth, a deep look at history, and "the system" ensues, where ideas along the lines of Griffin's "Freedom Force" then becomes the solution presented; Come to power. Leo Strauss did the same thing with Wolfowitz and Feith and others. Here we are talking about the same notion from an altogether better angle, except with a much larger group of individuals. In "church talk" this is what may be likened to what's called a "revival". He's also correct that the "glue" must be the principals as the central frame of reference, and that it must be holographic. The only thing missing is a set of traditions, or a mandate or mission statement, so as to give the "glue" sticking power, and those things must be things upon which everyone absolutely agrees upon. If you are in the US, one would assume that this would also entail the formation of a new third party.. which as it's "base" would begin with the Patriot Movement, the 9/11 Truth Movement and the Anti-War Movement.

I've been getting the sense for a while now that "we" are on the cusp of a new social movement in the USA, and globally in Europe as well. Some people have been asking for A leader, but Griffin is correct that what's needed is not a pyramidal structure, but an organic or holographic one. He's also correct that the power must be "chained" by its limitations, or, the very same thing will happen again, only with a new set of actors.

See the opening of the "Third Stage" in my sig for inspiration!
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I'm right with you on all of this, Robert. We need Truther//Anti-war//Patriot foot-soldiers deployed in every church, in every school, under every bed! Spread the new viral meme called liberty!

Yeah, we are definitely on the verge of a huge social upheaval/paradigm shift. I felt this coming before I "woke up" too. Things were just getting so outrageously... CRAPPY! Something had to give. I just didn't figure it would be this huge.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

and local law enforcement

....because they are the ones with the guns that will be used against us.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke, 1729 - 1797

If we can get the next generation

We get them all, including the cops, the military, the whole damn thing.

But we need to "come to power" in the executive and legislative branches and REPEAL all the bad laws, and reverse the process, restoring the checks and balances and placing limitation on power. We need a future President to dismantle much of his/her own power, to EMpower the cause of Liberty and Justice.

First we go at it from the bottom up, which we are doing quite successfully, but then, and here's Griffin's epiphany, we ALSO need to ascend into every major power center, and take down the evil system from the top down. To successfully do this, we need "up and comers" in every discipline, from political science, to economics, banking, international relations, the works. So how do we do that? We target the "realm" of academia and convert the next level of leaders, and get this information and awareness campaign also into the churches, which serve as a touchstrone of American society, and which are supposed to inform it, with high tower principals of Civility and Individual Civil Liberty, which, at all levels, is the very reason Jesus Christ went to the cross, for our individual and collective salvation, from ALL manner of bondage and tyranny, including the bondage to sin and evil.

What's "great" about 9/11 truth revelation, is that it is PROVOCATIVE, of a re-examination of history, and the bad system which somehow managed to creep over time, and ascend to the apex of our civilization.

We can do this, starting with a nation wide organized campaign to screen films like Loose Change, Final Cut, The Money Masters, Freedom to Fascism, in every school and church in the USA, now that the climate is being altered, and the people of the USA RIPE for change, for transformation, for revolution.

Think of it as a quiet and creeping revolution, as a generational phenomenon, which will rise and rise and ultimately wash away the pirates who took over the ship, like a rising tidal wave of increasing civil conscious awareness. A collaborative "mastermind alliance" working together in a spirit of harmony, to realize a definite purpose, with unrelenting perserverence, even over the course of generations, is the key, but like I said, secure the next generation, and you get them all. Our focal point should be on that water line, as a demarcation point of transformative historical alteration.
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The very IDEA that there is a possible SOLUTION

Is empowering, because then there is something we are FOR, and not merely what we are against, since that which you resist, persists, and what you focus on, expands.

P.S. What the movie "The Secret". for starters.

What we are really talking about here, is the creation of a new "magnet", based on principals and ideals upon which everyone can absolutely agree, and then, over time, that principal centered leadership, which is totally committed to the ideals framed within the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the reasoning behind that framework, it takes on a life all its own as a new holographic representation in the minds of hearts of the many, some of which WILL rise to power, in all areas of society. That's it "in a nutshell", a nutshell, which contains enfolded within itself, the future Oak Tree of Liberty. No bloodshed, just "gardening".

One idea, for this new holographic model of leadership, is this. There's no such thing as a "group", only a series of individuals who share a common purpose. No "group think" based on all manner of overt and covert manipulation, no "collectivism". Mutuality, the way of the middle. Something capable of splitting the left/right paradigm, and overcoming it, a new third party, and the American people are ripe for it. "Progressive Conservative" might be a good name for it...


The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
~ Revelations 22:17 (at the very end of the Bible)

Come. Come to power, everyone who hungers and thirsts for what is right, and just, and true.

Preceeded by:

Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates and into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
~ Rev 22:14

May the good who thirst for the truth and righteousness, come to power. Let us create the magnet which will draw them to seek out service in public life and in every other circle of power and influence in our society. Amen. (let it be so done)
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careful what you wish for

"We need a future President to dismantle much of his/her own power, to EMpower the cause of Liberty and Justice."

--> hiccup <--

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What about the possibility that Guiliani's statement that he was "told the world trade center was going to collapse" means that he was told moments before the collapse, i.e. that somebody heard the bombs going off or something, not that he knew about it FAR in advance? I agree he has to answer questions about this, but perhaps we are jumping the gun here.


Far in advance or not, pressing Giuliani on this question is key to opening the door to still more questions. Like, on what did they (his sources) base their expectation that the building would collapse? Did they mention explosions, as you speculate above? If so, why did he not resolve then and there to find out who was responsible for planting the explosives, instead of going along with a cover-up every day since? If they didn't mention explosives, why wouldn't he have found it puzzling that total collapse was being forecast, when this was not the normal way for steel-framed skyscrapers to respond to fires? Actually, he must have found it puzzling, according to his own most recent answer, which is that notice of the impending collapse came as a surprise, and that no one was expecting it (that is, until that notice was given). And--again, regardless of how close to the collapse he actually received the warning--wouldn't the natural response of most people be something like, 'My God!--Have the firefighters been told? Are they on their way out? How many tenants still need to be evacuated? How much time do we have before collapse occurs and how can we best help people in the interim? And why couldn't collapse have been anticipated sooner?--that way, we could have started evacuating people sooner.' and so on.

So what'll it be Mr. ex-mayor? If there was nothing unusual about the collapses, then they should have been foreseen in time to get warning to the firefighters and tenants (perhaps even to block the firefighters from going in in the first place). On the other hand, if word that the towers were about to collapse came as a surprise, as something unexpected, then that implies that one did indeed find something unusal in this chain of events--and in that case, why not join the movement of millions of Americans to get to the bottom of just what happened?

I think this is ...

the most productive line of questioning. We do not need to assume he was in on the plan or anything just because he mentioned he was told the WTC was going to collapse. We just need to get him to explain what he meant or to deny it. If he denies he ever said that then that does not give us much fuel except to conclude that he doesn't generally know what he's talking about. If he admits that he said that then he has to qualify what he meant. If he knew in advance, indeed why weren't more people warned it would happen? If he knew in advance then clearly he wasn't the only one.

was anyone actually...

...thinking he was admitting LONG-TERM forewarning? That never occurred to me. I always took his comment to mean that he had JUST been warned of an impending collapse. An admission of long-term warning would be, obviously, beyond stunning, on a par with Silverstein admitting on TV to pulling WTC 7 (which is a debatable interpretation of an indisputably intriguing comment, IMO).

BTW, I'm short on time and in the middle of the long composite video but I wanted to suggest this word play: Lepacek was arrested for "criminal press-passing". (I know, I know... but it's short, and bad puns tend to stick in your mind.)

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terrific article

Kate - great find. I wish you would post this everywhere.