From JFK to 9/11: Why People Believe in Conspiracies
By Dennis Prager
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
Vincent Bugliosi's remarkable 20-year work on who killed John F. Kennedy has just been published. Containing about a million and a half words and thousands of footnotes, "Reclaiming History" is probably the most detailed examination of one moment in time ever written. It reconfirms that a man named Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing the American president.
As one who never doubted the original U.S. government report that Oswald acted alone, I am deeply grateful to Bugliosi for the service he has rendered our country. But I also regret that he had to.
Why did he have to? Because it was necessary to definitively refute all those who believe, despite bipartisan government reports and excellent books such as Gerald Posner's "Case Closed," that there was some conspiracy to kill President Kennedy and that Oswald was not the only shooter.
This is a good piece, worth sending to friends who are still dubbing around trying to be "balanced," or whatever the excuse. Alvin
June 09, 2007
I just came across this article 'debunking' the 911 Truth movement- amazingly dimissive, uninformed, and evident of conclusions written inside the bubble of the United States propaganda machine.
ON LINE opinion - Australia's e-journal of social and political debate
Conspiracy theories on the Internet and on the loose
By Steve Clarke
Posted Thursday, 7 June 2007
In the days before the Internet (remember back then?) a jobbing conspiracy theorist would release the occasional book, appear in this or that public forum and maybe get a segment on a television documentary or two. All of this could be expected to generate a reasonable amount of publicity. But if our conspiracy theorist was after mass publicity and a global audience then things were going to be tough. The best bet would be to suck up to Oliver Stone, in the hope of persuading him to make a Hollywood blockbuster based on their favoured conspiracy theory.
Reporter arrested after Republican debate
Published: Wednesday June 6, 2007
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A reporter advancing 9/11 conspiracy theories in a heated exchange with advisers to Rudy Giuliani was arrested following Tuesday night's Republican debate.
Police in Goffstown, N.H., confirmed to RAW STORY that freelance reporter Matt Lepacek was arrested for trespassing following the debate at St. Anselm College in Goffstown. Lepacek was asking a Giuliani adviser about comments the former mayor made on ABC News on Sept. 11 that some say show he had foreknowledge that the World Trade Center would collapse.
Police refused to release more information about Lepacek's case prior to his first scheduled court appearance July 3.
9/11 debunker motivated by faith
I consider myself as some what of a whistleblower.
I wrote two documented articles, relating to 911 and no major alternative news sites (that I am aware of) has even picked up on them, even though they have been on the web for months. Case in point
Another 911 - Another Israeli Spy Ring
That above article is also on 911blogger.
Or this article
Clinton - Bush Connection To Warrantless Wiretapping And The CIA Exposed
I have called into your talk radio shows in the past (when I can) and some host act like they get the high speed wobbles, Warrantless Spy Program Monitoring Peoples Thoughts, From President Richard M. Nixon To George W. Bush, ya sure, we'll check that out, CLICK.
On August 2, 2006 8 0r 9 days before Alex Jones warned of another possible false flag event, I had already put out a similar warning.
I tried to warn you months before they passed The Military Commission Act where that was heading, months before others even saw it coming.
Keep in mind that only one third of the colonial population wanted the American Revolution. One third wanted independence, another third did not, and the remaining third were indifferent.
It may turn out that only a third of our country passionately fights for the truth of 911, but we should remind ourselves of history and remember that the truth is never going to be easy. It never has been. It has always been a struggle to get to the truth, but it is possible. Freedom happens. Truth happens. Keep sending emails and posting comments and writing in blogs because at the very least when people are touched by the truth they will not support policies that take away our liberty. Even if the truth of 911 is not at critical mass, the more information people come into contact with the less they will support draconian policies. If the fascists dismantle the political process because they are unable to manipulate it then they will also dismantle people's denial of 911. They know this, so changing people's minds through writing and other media IS EFFECTIVE. It destroys the fascist's ability to manipulate the political process.
I'm an aging physicist who had his eyes opened to the likelihood of 9/11 being an inside job 4 years and 36 days late. But "Better late than never!"
Being less than youthful, I haven't been much of a blogger, and that might not change with my joining 911 Blogger.com. Still, to my surprise and delight I finally put together a real web site, which I emailed to my friends with the subject line: "Geezer Builds Own Website!" So here it is: http://www.impactglassresearchinternational.com
Society's conspiracy against conspiracy theorists
By: Brian Feltch
Last week, Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban thrust himself in the public's crosshairs when he announced that his production company, Magnolia Pictures, will distribute Loose Change, an incendiary documentary claiming 9/11 was an inside job. While the public loathing and countless gallons of op-ed ink dedicated to crucifying Mr. Cuban does not come as a surprise, it illuminates an important and pervasive trend in our modern global society. When issues that make people squirm are brought to the fore, debate is hastily labeled conspiracy theorizing and those engaging in that debate are considered foolish fanatics. This is poisonous to the free flow of ideas and, ultimately, the quest for a truthful and complete account of history. For scholars to come to any sound conclusion surrounding important historical events, any reasonable debate should be addressed fairly.
This is one of what I call a "Skeptinazi / skeptifascist" fallacy. This is a sort of get out of jail free card that the fascist demeanored self-described "Skeptics" (note the capitol S) typically pull out when it's time to actually think (about the unthinkable). Usually they'll resort to pulling this card out after all else fails, but sometimes they even go the extra mile to actually pull this out from the onset of the debate or discussion to frame you as being a 'nutjob' pick-your-word to go for total victory by destroying you.
Fallacy: a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning
This argument destroys that claim / mindset, and can effectively make them wish they never tried framing you as being the "fantasy world" (this is Popular Mechanics terminology for anyone who's skeptical of the official 911 narrative) tinfoil hat wearing pick your word.
Taken from a reply to the blog post "The Ontological Status of Conspiracy Theory", here:
Where the author takes a "highfalutin" stab at the concept of "conspiracy theory". (my interpretation)
Like so many, if not most, of these types of writings, this is really just so much intellectual masturbation.
Which can be fun. (and interesting)
But, also somewhat usual (imo), it is lacking.
People so easily forget, or perhaps simply do not understand, that so-called "conspiracy theories" are not whimsical, fantastical, illusory, fictions or pseudo-fictions, and the like. They are a real and true part of society and culture, and the human experience itself, really.
From the benign (surprise party) to the legal and criminal (Conspiracy to Commit Murder) and every level in between. (and "larger") They happen every day, all day long, all around the world. (by an untold number of people, possibly numbering in the millions, all told)
Some discussions at www.lies.com have involved one blogger (knarlyknight) defending 911 skepticism against a group of intelligent, misinformed believers of the official conspiracy theory. I think he's done a great job, but maybe he could use some help or expressions of support from experienced 911bloggers?
Anyone willing to drop by www.lies.com, read the comments, and make a few comments of their own in the spirit of 911 truth?
I realize this is a low gain approach to activism, but it seems that knarlyknight is making some inroads there. Getting the folks from Lies.com onto the 911 truth side would be good. Go to the comment section under the most recent blog: How Bad Is It?
At the least it is entertaining to observe how he takes the discussion from war and deception and relates it back to 911 truth and then holds his own against all the others who do not agree. Some of the older entries are also good that way, especially the one titled Dyer On Loose Change.
The Ontological Status of Conspiracy Theory
Another anarchist intellectual takes a rational approach to so-called “conspiracy theory”.
Hakim Bey, best known for his concept of T.A.Z. or the “Temporary Autonomous Zone”, dissects both the irrational “all-powerful” conspiracy theories of the populist right, as well as the equally irrational “conspiracy phobia” of the current left. In doing so he comes to a conclusion which is actually fairly obvious (despite the [at times irritating] post-modernist jargon), namely that “although human beings are carried along or moved by class interests, economic forces, etc., we can also accept the possibility of a feedback mechanism, whereby the ideologies and actions of both individuals and groups can modify the very "forces" which produce them.”
ANTI-WAR RALLY JAMS MIDTOWN
By DANIEL FRIEDMAN
March 19, 2007 -- Thousands of protestors marched through Midtown yesterday to call for the immediate withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.
A hodgepodge of organizations and individuals - ranging from local unions to 9/11 conspiracy theorists - joined members of United for Peace and Justice to walk from Bryant Park to the United Nations, two days before the fourth anniversary of the U.S. invasion.
They took an indirect route that included portions of Second and Third avenues.
"If there hadn't been a strong anti-war movement, where else would we be right now? Syria? Iran?" said actor-activist Tim Robbins, who participated in the march.
"This isn't a fringe lefty movement. This is the voice of the people."
The march was peaceful and there were no arrests.
Monday, March 19, 2007
Rosie: Was 9/11 inside job to protect Enron?
Blog suggests destruction of federal investigations factor in terror attacks
Posted: March 19, 2007
5:00 p.m. Eastern
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
Was the World Trade Center brought down deliberately on Sept. 11, 2001, for the purpose of – are you ready for this? – eliminating records of government investigations into corporate fraud? That's the implication of a blog posting by Rosie O'Donnell about the worst terror attack in American history.
In her March 15 posting, titled "wtc7," on her Rosie.com blog, the controversial TV personality and co-host of ABC's popular "The View" morning show, starts off by recounting popular conspiracy "factoids" regarding the World Trade Center's Building No. 7, which collapsed after the two larger "twin towers" fell.
* The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was impossible.
* Silverstein said to the fire department commander "the smartest thing to do is pull it."
This is my last one for a while...I have to finish this documentary before I go screwing around anymore.
I forgot to put the embed tag in my original post.
I just whipped this up in some spare time. Enjoy and pass it on!
Note: Yesterday evening, 03/12/07, I ordered the previous issue of Skeptic magazine wherein the “9/11 conspiracies" are covered at length:
I was not able to find this issue on any of the newsstands in my area. And I have been told by Skeptic magazine that there is no electronic version of their magazine. So to get my copy in just a few days, I have purchased the fastest shipping available for my order. As soon as I get it, I'll post it for everyone to read. :)
Conspiracy theories: the rumors are out there
By Diana Washington Valdez / El Paso Times
El Paso Times
Article Launched: 03/11/2007 12:20:13 AM MST
Forum on conspiracy theories at: http://dev.elpasotimes.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1173652834/0#0
El Pasoans and other readers around the world recently chuckled over a story about an alleged crop circle in the Upper Valley that turned out to be the work of El Paso artist Michael Alford.
here it is!
Please tell me what you think!
If you can tell me some constructive criticism!
this will be my only post.
Excerpts from the last chapter of Michael Parenti's "Land of Idols".
CONSPIRACY AND CLASS RULE
In 1837, Abraham Lincoln remarked, "These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece the people . . ."2 Today, he would be dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist." When so labeled, one is supposed to make hasty protestations to the contrary. For some, conspiracy is by definition ridiculous and nonexistent, evoking a caricatured tableau of sinister figures in secret chambers. Actually, "conspiracy" is a bona fide legal concept, defined as planning or acting together in secret, for unlawful or harmful purposes, often by illicit means. The ruling class's major mode of operation is systemic and institutional rather than conspiratorial. No ruling interest could last long if it tried to control an entire society with the manipulations of secret cabals.
When I say massive, I mean massive. I am not talking some 50,000 views, I am talking about 25 million or more views. Maybe even NEWS MAINSTREAM NEWS!
I HAVE A COORDINATED PLAN FOR A HUGE TRUTH PUSH
Something that will wake up at least a million people in one giant swoop. Something so big, precise, calculated, cunning, and awakening that it will have an impact on the very way media is presented. It might even force the media to have no choice but to cover it.
My first set of sniper videos are reaching 100,000 views in just 3 days. I made those videos in one night. It is not hard, you just have to be smart about it.
I have proven my ability to get results, now let’s coordinate and do a truth push like none ever seen. LET’S PROVE WHAT THE INTERNET IS ALL ABOUT! FREEDOM!
I don’t know about you people but I am sick and tired of talking between ourselves about 9/11 and think it’s time we crush these lies before we all go the way of the Kennedy Conspiracy. Overall people are pretty stupid if you can trick them into thinking that when you get shot in the back, your body somehow flies “BACK AND TO THE LEFT”. I sometimes wonder why I even care, but I do, and there is nothing I can do to stop caring.
OK...The media and forces that be are USING SEX to keep the sheep busy while they do their evil deeds. We too can and should use sex to get these people to listen. Since their minds have been so accustomed to wanting and needing sexual hooks, we can use their own weapon against them.
Please help me to promote my 6 videos on youtube…They already have thousands of views but we need to push them up to the top.
PLEASE GIVE THEM A 5 RATING AND ADD THEM TO YOUR FAVORITES. This will help a lot. Here they are.
People who (still) think "9/11" is "just a conspiracy theory" should at least read this wiki page:
It is a good reminder for some, and new information for many. Those who were not alive in those times, or too young, do not understand the tremendous effect it had on Americans and our government. (regards '(semi-) blind trust' and the like) And, even though reading this clinical, informational article will not even come close to giving some a true understanding of this, perhaps they will be able to glean a small perception of some of those realities, if they try.
Many people tried to use the negative "Conspiracy Theory" label as a dismissal of the Watergate Scandal back when it was occurring, especially early on in its infancy, but the term was not as thoroughly entrenched in the American psyche as it is now. (which is probably due to years of disinformation and propaganda by certain people who want Americans to use it in cases like 9/11 — it is now one of their strongest and most powerful tools, and it did not occur by accident)
I have always disliked the phrase "liberal gatekeepers." I always felt that the phrase itself smacked of sour grapes, and seeks to blame otherwise sincere members of the media who we have failed to reach with reasoned and well-formed arguments on 9/11.
I now feel forced to rethink this position.
Many of us are growing frustrated by the ongoing attacks by the liberal gatekeepers against the 9/11 Truth movement. They do indeed appear to be mounting. Most notably Alexander Cockburn, The Nation and Noam Chomsky have weighed in on this issue.
I think it is important to put some perspective on this issue. I am therefore reprinting this excellent article from 1994, which illustrates a mode of operation that can only be described as baffling - and (shudder) "Left Gatekeeping."
Alexander Cockburn and Noam Chomsky vs. JFK: A Study in Misinformation
In early 1992, after the release of Oliver Stone's film JFK a media thundercloud erupted.
After early attacks in mainstream media like the Chicago Tribune and Washington Post, many other alternative media of both the left and right began to run articles on the film including outlets like "The Village Voice", for which Alexander Cockburn used to write. To the surprise of many, when some of these supposed leftist media organs did chime in, they savaged the film as wildly as the mainstream press did. These outlets were, specifically, The Progressive, Z magazine, and The Nation. The writers were, respectively, the late Erwin Knoll, Noam Chomsky, and Alexander Cockburn. Chomsky then wrote a book, Rethinking Camelot to specifically attack one of the main theses of JFK, namely that Kennedy had intended to withdraw from Vietnam by 1965.
Noam Chomsky: "...One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis."
Chomsky doesn't believe that 9/11 represents "real and ongoing crimes of state." However, he never bothers to describe even one "real and ongoing crimes of state" in this exchange.
Chomsky Dismisses 911 Conspiracy Theories As 'Dubious'
The following is an exchange between a ZNet Sustainer and Noam Chomsky, which took place in the Sustainer Web Board where Noam hosts a forum...
ZNet Sustainer: Dear Noam, There is much documentation observed and uncovered by the 911 families themselves suggesting a criminal conspiracy within the Bush Administration to cover-up the 9/11 attacks (see DVD, 9/11: Press for Truth). Additionally, much evidence has been put forward to question the official version of events. This has come in part from Paul Thompson, an activist who has creatively established the 9/11 Timeline, a free 9/11 investigative database for activist researchers, which now, according to The Village Voice's James Ridgeway, rivals the 9/11 Commission's report in accuracy and lucidity (see,
WTC 7 was riged with eplosives , waiting for the third airplane to hit. But the plane crashed before reatching NY.
Just an possible explanation why WTC7 went down in an , what looks like an controled demolision.
They hade to "Pull the building" when the plaine didnt crash. because they could not let the building standing, full with rigged explosives.
They would have been found othervise.
Sorry for the spelling im swedish.
As we all know, September 11, 2001 started-out as a beautiful day: bright, cool, a picture-perfect day indeed. There was no thought of horror and death until the horror and death truly struck. As with any tragedy that comes upon our lives so unexpectedly and violently (car crash, plane crash, heart attack, etc.) we're preoccupied with our important (and not so important) concerns when the tragedy strikes. That day, 9/11 (as it's now forever known) was certainly no exception, surpassing everything we had previously experienced. Who had ever witnessed two massive skyscrapers crumble into dust? The correct answer is No One. This had never happened before in human history. Without even going to and through the various web sites that analyze the ifs and hows of building demolition, it should've been apparent to most people from the start that steel constructed buildings simply do not disinegrate and almost vanish before our eyes. Nonetheless, the Towers (along with Tower 7) did certainly crumble into dust. However, what's happened in the five years since that fateful day? Where is the great "War on Terror" that was in all the papers? I live here in New York City...there's still an empty lot called Ground Zero which signifies what was rebuilt there! Is there anyone out there who believes that we are fighting a REAL WAR on terrorism?...or, for that matter, ANYTHING? We are (for most part) silent witnesses to absurd "wars" in two countries; we merely tally the body count.
Now I've had it with FTL. Listen to this 16 minute segment here:
I listen to Alex Jones and JackBlood daily on my ipod. Now and then I listen to FTL, they talk about Freedom and Liberty. Usually a 911 Truther will call in to the show, and they kinda debunk them. However, since they have came across the LC guide website, they think they are THE debunkers of the 911 'conspiracy'.
a quote from the end of this clip.
"all the 911 Truthers are doing is digging up dirt, doing research and SPOUTING OFF! They are not doing anything to advance Freedom in America."
Now they have gone too far!
FTL is on Genesis Communications Network, same as Alex Jones, same call in # 1-800-259-9231
Mon-Sat: 7pm-10pm ET
"Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught
in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is
called at once a lunatic and fool"
This post is cross-posted at indoctriNATION.
I received an email earlier today from a reader suggesting that I balance TheFilter.ca’s coverage of 9/11 with an Alex Cockburn article posted to Znet called “The 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts: How They Let the Guilty Parties of 9/11 Slip Off the Hook”
I thought I would post my response, simply because it expresses some of the frustration I’ve had over the last week with much of the alternative media’s coverage of the fifth anniversary of 9/11.
Thanks for your interest in the site, and your story suggestion.
I had actually read Cockburn’s article when it was put up on Counterpunch, and some similar pieces from other Big Alternative sites, and decided to pass on posting them. Reading Cockburn’s again, I felt the same way I did about it the first time around: disappointed, but not surprised.
The article is one of the most hollow, dishonest outbursts that I’ve seen in a long time on an alternative news site and frankly, it really knocks Counterpunch, Znet, and the Nation (who also published it), down a few pegs on the integrity board.