What we are seeing right now is one of the last, pathetic attempts of this administration to save itself from the truth about 9/11. First they rolled out KSM, with his confessions about 9/11 and every other terrorist plot in the last twenty years. As if they really expect us to believe in the first place something which has been entirely mediated through the Pentagon and CIA after three years in a secret torture prison, there are gaping holes in KSM's story. First off, he "admitted" to a terror plot against a building for which the planning didn't even begin until 2006... and yet he's supposedly been in custody for three or four years now. Secondly, he supposedly admits to killing journalist Daniel Pearl. But someone else has already been brought in for that killing- Omar Sheikh. Notice how US-Pakistani relations have been cooling off lately? Maybe it's to do with the fact that Pakistani President General Musharaff outed Omar Sheik about six months ago as an MI-6 agent.
9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation: Definitions and Examples
Updated: 03/17/2007. Revisions (including expanded commentary) and examples
Updated: 03/14/2007. Substantial revisions and added examples
9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation: Definitions and Examples
“In this day and age, we all have to become experts on disinformation.”
Jim Fetzer, Disinformation: The Use of False Information
This week Visibility 9-11 visits the topic of COINTELPRO in the 4th part of a new series on issues facing the 9-11 Truth Movement. "Left gatekeepers", dis-information specialists, agent provocateurs, and internet "trolls" all work to distract and/or discredit the fine work of literally thousands of good and caring Americans involved in 9-11 Truth. It is important to recognize the history of things our government has done which has violated every tenet of a free society.
This week, Visibility 9-11 visits the topic of COINTELPRO in the 3rd part of a new series on issues facing the 9-11 Truth Movement. "Left gatekeepers", dis-information specialists, agent provocateurs, and internet "trolls" all work to distract and/or discredit the fine work of literally thousands of good and caring Americans involved in 9-11 Truth. It is important to recognize the history of things our government has done which has violated every tenet of a free society.
I am a concerned 9/11 truther and I must preface everything I say here with this statement.
I am not here to put anyone down, or belittle anyone's efforts. I seek merely to give some constructive criticism of this event in order to focus and hone the efforts of the 9/11 truth movement.
When the 9/11 movement questioned the "Pod" section of Loose Change, it was removed from the movie in order to present the best evidence. This is the difference between the gentlemen of Loose Change, and Mr. Fetzer. Mr. Fetzer chooses to discuss the more outlandish theories in the public domain, in my opinion to the detrement of the movement. I believe that we are still in the court of public opinion, and that we must stick to our best evidence in the public eye.
Several things about Mr. Fetzer's presentation upset me.
1) Use of video footage:
Here, in unedited form, is Mr. Rick Siegel's most recent editorial on 911 Truth. For those who do not know Mr. Siegel, he is the producer of 911 Eyewitness, as well as webmaster to numerous 911-themed websites that promote the work of James Fetzer, Judy Woods, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, 911Blimp, Webfairy, Killtown, among others.
Mon, 02/12/2007 - 17:16 — rick
Year End Report from the Battlefields
It has been a little over a year since my introduction into the world of “911Truth” and this is a report of it to my readers.
When Henrik Melvang, from http://www.terrorize.dk, first contacted me, then introducing me to Dave, the producer and researcher from Blue Star Media, I had no idea what my recording from that day had, nor what was in store for me. The tape, showing criminal culpabilities of the ruling class, is more the Monkey’s Claw than the key to happiness and freedom it was hoped to be.
This week, Visibility 9-11 visits the topic of COINTELPRO in the 2nd part of a new series on issues facing the 9-11 Truth Movement. "Left gatekeepers", dis-information specialists, agent provocateurs, and internet "trolls" all work to distract and/or discredit the fine work of literally thousands of good and caring Americans involved in 9-11 Truth. It is important to recognize the history of things our government has done which has violated every tenet of a free society.
The broadcast time of this interview is still to be announced.
"...Ashcroft has revived the FBI's totally discredited COINTELPRO program, which flourished from 1956 to 1971, during the anti-war and civil rights movements."
John Ashcroft On Trial
Turning Justice On Its Head
by Nat Hentoff
January 11, 2002
This week, Visibility 9-11 visits the topic of COINTELPRO in what hopes to be a new series on issues facing the 9-11 Truth Movement. "Left gatekeepers", dis-information specialists, agent provocateurs, and internet "trolls" all work to distract and/or discredit the fine work of literally thousands of good and caring Americans involved in 9-11 Truth. It is important to recognize the history of things our government has done which has violated every tenet of a free society.
John Albanese will be discussing his upcoming film "Disinformation in the Information Age" and the rash of disruptions that have taken place within the 911 Truth movement over the last several years.
Subjects to be discussed:
- Cointelpro today - this is not your father's Oldsmobile - is it legal under the constitution?
- Is all research created equal?
I've been meaning to add this page for quite a while. Here's my first shot at it:
We'll probably be making a whole section for Disinfo eventually, as there are so many facets to the subject. We're also planning a page dedicated to "debunkers" as well.
Check it out, all suggestions welcome.
International Truth Movement
I liked this, so I thought i'd share it:
Two movements: The 9/11truth vs. 9/11speculation movements.
When I first got into this, I didn't know which websites to trust. The big challenge at the time was 911review.com vs 911review.org. I soon realized that I could look at the links on each page to see quite clearly who these projects had decided to endorse. The line was quite distinct between the two, and I knew one of them had to be a shady enterprise.
The same pattern can be seen today, and the two sides haven't changed much since then. Now we have 911research vs. 911researchers, and the Scholars for Truth vs the Scholars for Truth and Justice. Take a look at the two lists of web links below to get a sense of what I'm suggesting. (Notice that - scholarsfor911truth/911scholars.org/scholarsfor911truth.org - the Fetzer scholars website is three of the links in the second list, and going to that site you see that there is a new banner link to 911researchers, a Seigel/Haupt production.)
I have chosen a release date of February 19, 2007 - Presidents Day - to release my new film "Disinformation in the Information Age."
When I originally started working on this project i viewed it as a somewhat humorous aside to my more important project, which is the 3 hour revision of "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime."
Disinformation - misinformation - crazy theories - wacky websites - etc, etc, have always been a part of the 9/11 Truth movement, and I simply thought it would be fun to explore this topic - show some humor - and demonstrate our ability to laugh at ourselves.
But, like my experience in 2002 when i first started unraveling some of the strange anomalies associated with 9/11 itself, i discovered that i was peeling an onion and uncovering layer upon layer of hidden anomalies and facts that each it turn demanded further digging. I started to lose my sense of humor when I realized the depth of disrespect some of these purveyors of disinformation were showing towards - not only their fellow researchers - but towards the victims and their families themselves.
I wrote this review for Amazon on December 19, and it did not get posted for a whole month!
Anyone who has done serious research into 9/11 will come to the inescapable conclusion that rogue elements of the government orchestrated the attacks as a false flag operation to arouse patriotism so the nation would support a war of global domination.
However, there is a very strong contingent of Americans who react emotionally, rather than rationally, to any argument suggesting government complicity on any level, let alone outright orchestration. These are the ones, who for decades, have believed America is the best thing for humanity since sliced bread. They believe our government would never murder its own people (even though they have NO trouble believing OTHER govts would kill THEIR own people), and anyone who thinks as such must be paranoid and even anti-American. Indeed, most of the positive Amazon reviews seem to be of this mentality. Such Americans, comfortable in their established paradigm of reality, will find comfort with this book.
No offense to this site but I am 100% positive that there are neo-con dis-info agents on this blog trying to slow down and disorganize the system. I am sure that 911 blogger is a reputable site, but there is no way of keeping those shills out. I enjoy this site a lot and understand there is no way to keep these people away. The only thing you can do is ignore them and expose them.
YOU CAN USUALLY TELL A SHILL (DIS-INFO AGENT) THIS WAY;
You will notice that they usually are in a small minority opposition voice to any good idea. When a person suggests an idea and 12 people are pro, and 3 people are against it, you can be sure that at least 1 if not all 3 are dis-info agents. That’s how they work.
They always want to seem to slow you down by trying to get you to waste time talking to them instead of actually doing anything. They will try to debate you all the time instead of actually getting anything done. IGNORE THEM…
Don’t let these people talk you out of doing things that will help spread the word. They are here to make you feel awkward and say things like “It will not work” or “Don’t do that you might get someone upset” HOGWASH
I just read that Fetzer has kicked out Steven Jones for censoring Rick Siegel. What I thought was particularly interesting was that he described this move as "temporary" until a
more formal structure for the Scholars can be implemented.
The fact that I could do such a thing as founder of Scholars, however, no doubt qualifies as another reason for the need for the society to incorporate and attain more formal structure.
That's straight from the horse's mouth.
I would ask why Fetzer decided to excercise this authority when he himself admits that his authority is illegitimate, but it's really a moot point.
The Scholars Group has imploded. I think it's time to take a good hard look at what's been going on in the name of Truth, and to reappraise the situation. Do we want to create a mini-industry with a star system? What are our larger policitical goals? Wehere should we be focussing our energies? Frankly I think we ought to be pushing for impeachment and for a new investigation as part of those proceedings. I also think the evidence of foreknowlege, the war games, and NORAD's lying to the commission ought to be front and center.
I wrote to Kevin Barrett and asked if he was planning on leaving Scholars for 9/11 truth. He wrote back the following. It seems written for public consumption so here it is:
No and yes.
More on this later...meanwhile see, below.
As activists, when people ask us "what do you think of X theory about what happened," our answer should always be "well, that theory is no more improbable than the official story, whose probability is zero...but our job is not to prove what happened, but to show that the official story is demonstrably false, and force a new investigation."
The case of st911 is tricky, because it's dedicated to research more than activism. I think researchers have to be willing to allow other researchers to propose hypotheses, no matter how outlandish-sounding. The best response is evidence-based critique, not ad-hominem attack.
Morgan Reynolds, who was himself critiqued way too harshly by Jim Hoffman, seems to have caught the ad-hominem bug in his silly attacks on Steven Jones, which mix legitimate critique with ill-founded invective. I hope Steve can keep his cool and his trademark professional politeness, ignore the misrepresentations, and stick to evidence-based critique of whatever new hypotheses are proposed. So far Steve and David are the two researchers who have best combined lucid research with professional demeanor, and I don't expect that to change any time soon.
Meanwhile I hope to have Steve on the new GCN radio show "The Dynamic Duo" ASAP. I think a case can be made that my co-host on that show and st911 colleague Jim Fetzer is jumping the gun by prematurely hyping the exotic weaponry hypothesis, and I want to argue that activists should focus on the gaping holes in the official story, not exotic weaponry.
Above all, the format for proposed 9/11 debates needs to be a simple pro versus con on the 9/11 Commission Report -- that's the only debate that matters, and it's one we can't possibly lose.
P.S. Important caveat: I haven't had time to look at the exotic weapons arguments in enough detail to have an informed opinion of their scientific (as opposed to rhetorical) merits.
I received this article in a bulletin on myspace and thought it would be of interest to some here:
"Man of Steele"
by Citizen Emily
"Standoff" is a one hour prime-time crime drama. Ron Livingston plays a suave FBi hostage negotiator who saves the day once a week. Typically this Hollywood Dept. of Homeland Security scripted bull isht is not what I'm interested in. But before finding the remote in search of PBS (Public Bull Isht) something said on "Standoff" caught my attention.
Soon enough "Standoff" was introducing a character that was so mocking independent journalist and radio talk show host Alex Jones that I had to sit down and convince myself I wasn't dreaming. This character dissing Alex Jones, "Avery Steele," an energetic, suspicious, conspiracy theorist, was a radio talk-show host with a panache for revealing government cover-ups. As this episode of "Standoff" developed a hostage taker had called into "Avery Steele's" controversial talk-show for advice. By the end of the program, the FBi hostage negotiators set up a sting for the talk show host and the hostage taker who had 'phoned into his show for Constitutional advice. Ron Livingston rides again, I guess.
FALSE FLAG NEWS' DL Abrahamson exposes 9/11 "SPACE BEAM" disinformation being promoted at 911Blogger.com
False Flag News w/ DL Abrahamson
Friday, November 17, 2006 Broadcast
ABRAHAMSON: The Pentagon is boosting their war unit.
We know that through OPERATION MOCKING BIRD the CIA and intelligent agencies have collaborated, worked with and owned many of the editors and publishing houses and news paper outlets in this country.
We know that at the Bilderberg meeting top level people from NEWSWEEK, TIME -- the major media outlets go there and never tell their readers… People from THE NEW YORK TIMES -- all of them going to the Bilderberg and never reporting it. This is where the world’s elite meet and argue and set up the agenda for the way the world will be shaped.
Given the deliberate disinfo we sometimes get on this site, posting this article seems appropriate (of course, they don't mention targeting the 9/11 Truth Movement):
Pentagon steps up 'battle of ideas'
By Simon Hooper for CNN
(CNN) -- The Pentagon's latest recruits are not soldiers, spies or scientists but spin doctors, bloggers and YouTube DIY filmmakers as it prepares to launch a vigorous new media campaign in support of its ongoing military efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
On Monday the U.S. Defense Department announced it was setting up a "rapid response" operation in order to "get inside the 24/7 news cycle" amid growing criticism of the conduct of the war in Iraq and the leadership of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
The new operation is dedicated to providing "more timely responses to breaking news," reacting promptly to critical coverage and offering Pentagon-friendly "information products" to media organizations.
As well as providing experts, guests and analysts to speak publicly on the Pentagon's behalf to the traditional TV, radio and print media, the new operation will also concentrate on harnessing the growing power of new media as a means of getting its message across.
One branch will be dedicated to "creating products and distributing information" for the Internet such as blogs, podcasts and video content for Web sites such as YouTube.
Read full article.
About 1 month ago there was a man who worked for NORAD who came out on the alex jones show and in a newspaper editorial confessed he thinks 9/11 was an inside job. He also claimed that he heard talk of an actual stand down order. Alex Jones was promoting this guy and had him on his show 2 days in a row, and he got himself fired from his software job but after that i heard absolutely nothing about him. Any word on him now? I know most of the posters in here though it was disinfo, but i have not come to a conclusion yet .
Don't contribute to 911Blogger until dz bans the disinformation spam artists who are making a mockery out of all 911 research
"Fool's gold exists because there is real gold." -13th century Persian poet Rumi
I'm requesting that everyone consider not contributing to this website until the site owner, dz, makes an effort to ban people who are spamming it relentlessly with theories about no planes, TV fakery, space beams, etc..
It's my opinion that 911Blogger.com has become a safe haven for such individuals, who are IMO purposely trying to destroy the credibility of all 9/11 research by promoting these controversial theories -- theories that the overwhelming majority of 9/11 researchers believe to be divisive, deceptive, destructive, etc..
I'm not advocating banning someone for occasionally presenting these theories, or other controversial theories, but we all know that it hasn't been an occasional occurrence here at 911Blogger.com. Instead it seems to be an every minute of the day occurrence.
So, until dz takes the appropriate steps to get rid of the 911Blogger.com spammers, please contribute elsewhere.
I want to make it clear that I'm not speaking for anyone but myself. However, I do encourage those who agree with what I've written in this blog to not contribute to this website in any way until dz improves the situation. If he decides not to, I respect that -- however, I request my membership at 911blogger.com be terminated if he chooses not to.
Please anyone who gets this in time:
go over to the Rolling Stone Blog
and help out.
There are tons of posts by people pretending to be Truthers and smearing us with anti-semitic propaganda. Pretending to be for 9/11 Truth and then ranting about "Jews"
Thanks for the help if your able.
And if you're an agent reading this, you've got my curse.
I've been reading Fetzers. "The Great Zapruder Hoax" and you would not believe the amount of trouble that went into falsifying the data. The cover up and spin was bigger work than the original operation. This "operation" at Rolling Stone is definitely deliberate. It's not even skillfully done. But a trap for the sheeple, nevertheless.
I am posting this as a Blog entry so that it's more visible, since the original reply that I just posted to Jim Fetzer, is in the comments section of a topic that'll soon have disappeared from the main 911Blogger page. I want it to be more visible so that he sees it.
As someone of Fetzer's apparent intelligence, who pretends to be well researched, he couldn't honestly believe the non-evidence nonsense that he promotes, supports and propagates about the Pentagon, in an obvious, subversive effort to try to help destroy the work of real, honest, good intentioned people involved with 9/11 research and activism -- guilt by association being a primary motive. But not the only one.
A former senior British Army Intelligence Officer now says the "liquid bombing plot" was part of a "pattern of lies and deceit." He also casts doubt on the London bombings.
This breakthrough article by Nafeez Ahmed, published in Raw Story, helps blow the lid off of the whole terror scare strategy used by Britian, the U.S. and other nations.
It is helpful for 9/11 truth, as it helps document government scare tactics, protecting patsies, and other techniques of fear and deceit -- of which false flag attacks such as 9/11 are a part - which governments use to control their populations and justify their imperial agendas.
"Lieutenant-Colonel (ret.) Nigel Wylde, a former senior British Army Intelligence Officer, has suggested that the police and government story about the "terror plot" revealed on 10th August was part of a "pattern of lies and deceit."
British and American government officials have described the operation which resulting in the arrest of 24 mostly British Muslim suspects, as a resounding success. Thirteen of the suspects have been charged, and two released without charges.
This man is a snake in the grass, the entire 911-Truth Movement needs to distance ourselves from him. He doesn’t represent me or 99.99% of the Movement!! What he represents are the perpetrators of the attack IMO!
I had a very bad feeling last night about the upcoming debate on Amy Goodman's show, and 9/11 Truth in general. Although I couldn't quite pinpoint it at the time, now it seems as plain as day. Simply put, The Movement is currently coming under a most vicious, strategic attack by the official storytellers and the powers that be. Let me repeat myself: ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake about it: WE ARE UNDER ATTACK.
This all began over the past couple of weeks, as the disinfo regarding no planes at the WTC started to appear en masse on this site. I've been a regular visitor and contributor to 911 Blogger for a number of months now and I've never seen so much organized commentary on these fringe, unscientific topics prior to this recent period of time. In addition, The Movement has been receiving much press coverage over the past month or so- the vast majority of it highly unflattering and unhelpful.
Virtually every single instance of mainstream media coverage that has covered so-called "conspiracy theories" regarding 9/11, follows this modus operandi:
- first and foremost, ignore and prevent any mention, whatsoever, of WTC Building 7
- never debate or give credence, or acceptance, to any of the skeptical points raised, no matter what
Tehran, Iran, Sep. 06 – The Supreme Commander of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps accused the Bush Administration and the Israeli security service Mossad of ordering the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and Washington, DC.
“The events of September 11 were ordered by U.S. [officials] and Mossad so that they could carry out their strategy of pre-emption and warmongering and unipolarisation in order to dominate the Middle East”, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi told military commanders on Tuesday. His comments were reported by the state-run news agency ISNA.
Is this information credible? Google News only shows one instance of this information, and others that do appear repeat iranfocus verbatim.
critic of iranfocus - www.payvand.com/news/05/sep/1122.html
A common tactic that 9/11 apologists use for changing the subject away from 9/11 truth is to claim that questioning the official version is "disrepectful to the victims and their families".
In fact, half of the victim's families believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Many family and friends of victims not only support the search for 9/11 truth, but they demand it (please ignore the partisan tone). Indeed, it has now become so clear that the 9/11 Commission was a whitewash that the same 9/11 widows who called for the creation of the 9/11 Commission are now demanding a NEW investigation.
So next time someone tells you that questioning 9/11 is disrepectful to the victims, show him or her the facts contained in this story, and educate them to the fact that NOT questioning the heinous lie passing for the official story is what is truly disrepectful to the victims and their families. For failing to uncover the truth of 9/11 will mean that the victims died in vain: just 3,000 of countless victims of false flag terror committed by Western (and other) governments from Rome to the present.
"Blue Star Media Group" and Rick Siegel are suspect. Look at the speculative, misleading crap in the above trailer for "WMD at the WTC." The film actually claims that "directed energy hydrogen fusion" or thermonuclear devices were used to bring down the towers.
While their production quality and promotion is surprisingly strong (well funded) they seem to make up most of their "evidence" out of thin air.
The original "9/11 Eyewitness" arrived on the scene last year out of nowhere with a slick promotional burst and wide distribution. The "new evidence" in the movie seemed to be stretching it (to say the least) and the myopic focus on controlled demolition was quite suspicious.
Rick Siegel and friends appear to maintain the following slick websites:
None of these sites seem to link to credible 9/11 research and they all appear to be template module sites meant to look professional, respectable, and active. They mostly only link to each other and repeat the same content.