Loose Change

Loose Change Final Cut

A short preview of things to come...

This is a preview of the highly anticipated 9/11 truth documentary Loose Change: Final Cut. Due to be released in Spring 2007.

Recent Daily Kos posts and responses highlight why 911 truth movement needs to change tactics

I've just read 2 recent posts on Daily Kos about 911. It appears they've been left standing as an example of what will happen to anyone who tries to raise the subject : ridicule, venom and tinfoil hat construction tips.

At the same time, this does show that 911 truth movement tactics now need to be overhauled if further progress is to be made.

I read in the Guardian recently that Loose Change is to be upgraded for cinema release. If this happens, it will sink the 911 truth movement. I'm not saying that it's deliberate disinformation and I'm not saying that anyone who disagrees with me is necessarily of that ilk either. However, whilst it may be commercially successful, it won't gain any converts and it will serve the same purpose for 911 deniers, that the dKos diaries have.

Guardian Covers Loose Change

There is a big piece in the Guardian today on Loose Change. You can find it here:


It is not a hit piece, but of the three or four points the article mentions, most people here would probably only agree with 1 of them: explosive demolition.

It is very disappointing to me that the other two, no-plane at the Pentagon and no-plane in Shanksville, get a mention, but many of our better arguments get ignored. What about Saeed Sheikh, Able Danger, the "hunt" for Osama, Sibel Edmonds, the fact the NSA was tapping one of the hijacker's phones for 3 years before 9/11, the dust, the visas, the fact that the hijackers thought they were being followed, the Malaysia meeting, all the warnings, war games on 9/11, bojinka, "3 individuals have been followed since Millenium and Cole", Jarrah in Dubai, David Schippers, etc., etc.?

Loose Change Guys vs. Mark Roberts - Part A

Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas debate Mark Roberts on government complicity in the events of September 11, 2001 here.

Interestingly Dylan admits that his movie contains serious flaws and even goes so far as to say LC is not a fair representation of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Instead he endorses 9/11 Press for Truth.

Worth a watch.

9/11-Now what?

September 11, 2001

I was sitting at my desk watching the news and working on math (for I was home schooled at the time). The next thing I know I hear my mom gasp and I look up asking what is it? She simply stared at the television and said, an air plane just crashed into the World Trade Center. Only being eleven years of age at the time, I didn't know what the World Trade Centers were. I got up from the desk and sat next to her while she explained everything to me. Of course everyone knows how the rest went. We sat and watched the news all day. My mom was making breakfast when I cried out that one of the towers fell. Even at that young age, something like that scared me. I feared for all my friends back and the private school I had been attending just the year before. Within a week after 9/11 I was back at school because I felt that's where I needed to be.

September 11, 2006

Now, five years later on September 11, my dad showed me the Loose Change Video. I refused to watch it at first fearing that it was just the headline news showing everything over again, but he assured me that it was more than what it seemed. So I watched it. Before this video, I was a Bush supporter, I was angry at the so-called "terrorists". After this video, I'm just happy that Bush is almost done with his second term. I'm not a Kerry supporter but I'm no longer for Bush either

MSNBC Links to Loose Change Debate Video.

I was searching around on MSNBC.COM so that I could find an email address where i could reach Olbermann's staff. I simply wanted to commend them on their coverage of the Military Commissions Act. After doing so, I checked the MSNBC blog link hoping to find some more discussion on the topic. What I found was even better, at the top of the MSNBC's blog page, is a staffer blog called "Clicked, Sneaky Links." When I visited this blog, which is run by MSNBC, I scrolled down to Oct. 16th and saw that they had created a blog entry called "Loose Change and Making Sense." Here's the text of the blog, along with a link to it.


"The Loose Change guys versus the Popular Mechanics guys. In case you're not familiar, Loose Change is a video that argues that 9/11 did not happen the way the story is told in popular media. Popular Mechanics published a debunking of many of the points of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. It's really fascinating to see them debate in person. The reasoning style of the 9/11 guys is pretty fascinating in itself. They don't seem as interested in answering questions as they are about making sense of questions. They ask a lot of "If A is true, then why B?" questions. A and B don't necessarily answer each other, but when put together they imply an answer. Speaking of arguing with 9/11 doubters here's South Park's take."

Rolling Stone Politics Posts Scathing Four Page Hit Piece on Loose Change and 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

The Hopeless Stupidity of 9/11 Conspiracy “Theories” - rollingstone.com

A few weeks ago I wrote a column on the anniversary of 9/11 that offhandedly dismissed 9/11 conspiracy theorists as "clinically insane." I expected a little bit of heat in response, but nothing could have prepared me for the deluge of fuck-you mail that I actually got. Apparently every third person in the United States thinks George Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.
I have two basic gripes with the 9/11 Truth movement. The first is that it gives supporters of Bush an excuse to dismiss critics of this administration. I have no doubt that every time one of those Loose Change dickwads opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes. In fact, if there were any conspiracy here, I'd be far more inclined to believe that this whole movement was cooked up by Karl Rove as a kind of mass cyber-provocation, along the lines of Gordon Liddy hiring hippie peace protesters to piss in the lobbies of hotels where campaign reporters were staying.

Secondly, it's bad enough that people in this country think Tim LaHaye is a prophet and Sean Hannity is an objective newsman. But if large numbers of people in this country can swallow 9/11 conspiracy theory without puking, all hope is lost. Our best hope is that the Japanese take pity on us and allow us to serve as industrial slaves in their future empire, farming sushi rice and assembling robot toys.
Whenever anyone chooses to dismiss 9/11 conspiracy theorists, accusations fly; the Internet screams that you've aided and abetted George Bush. I disagree. To me, the 9/11 Truth movement is, itself, a classic example of the pathology of George Bush's America. Bush has presided over a country that has become hopelessly divided into insoluble, paranoid tribes, one of which happens to be Bush's own government. All of these tribes have things in common; they're insular movements that construct their own reality by cherry-picking the evidence they like from the vast information marketplace, violently disbelieve in the humanity of those outside their ranks, and lavishly praise their own movement mediocrities as great thinkers and achievers. There are as many Thomas Paines in the 9/11 Truth movement as there are Isaac Newtons among the Intelligent Design crowd.

There's not a whole lot of difference, psychologically, between Sean Hannity's followers believing liberals to be the same as terrorists, and 9/11 Truthers believing even the lowest soldier or rank-and-file FAA or NORAD official to be a cold-blooded mass murderer. In both cases you have to be far gone enough into your private world of silly tribal bullshit that the concept of "your fellow citizen" has ceased to have any meaning whatsoever. It may be that America has become too big and complicated for most people to deal with being part of. People are longing for a smaller, stupider reality. Some, like Bush, sell a prepackaged version. Others just make theirs up out of thin air. God help us.

Please note that the 4 page column is linked from the page linked above, and that comments can be posted in reply.

Thanks Kevin for the heads up.

Loose Change in Bordeaux, France, Oct. 8th

Free Film! Loose Change 2nd Edition in Bordeaux!

The details: When: Sunday Oct. 8th 2006 - 16:30h

Where: The Golden Apple - 46 rue Borie, 33000 Bordeaux, FRANCE

(Flyer at link.)

A message to "Loose Change" debunkers

Your pursuit is rather reactionary. This certainly could be a reputable effort considering that Loose Change has its ambigous moments, and runs with a couple of hypotheses that many in the movement do not favor. Personally, I'm really looking forward to seeing the next version. While I respect the pursuit of truth and which ever direction it may lead, I think this effort to debunk Loose Change is a bit misguided for the following reasons.

First of all, while the movie is our most popular, it is far from the only 9/11 movie that gets peoples attention. After many see the movie they are curious, and seek out other sources for further information. For this reason, attacking Loose Change is not likely to dubunk the whole movement. What do you guys have to say about Press for Truth? This action seems to be the work of people who don't really understand the movement as they respond to it.

Second, debunking Loose Change is easy. Debunking 9/11 is easy. For that matter, debunking just about anything is easy. There is an ever growing mainstream response to the movement attempting to debunk our claims. This in itself signals the rise of the movement. In other words, an anti-Loose Change crew may actually help promote the significance of 9/11 truth. The very premise of your actions may be faulty. Two kinds of people will go to your debunking site. People who happen upon it and then watch the movie as a result, and people who want to find fault with the movie and seek you out. Guess what? The 9/11 truth movement isn't presently trying to convince the people likely to find your arguments entirely compelling. 42% question the offical story, but don't have all the facts. Personally, I don't think this effort will draw many of our target audience away from exporing the issue for themselves.

Loose Change: Don't throw the baby out with the bath water

I agree with the Village Voice who described Loose Change as a "slick, witty documentary featuring a hip soundtrack and a rapid-fire assault on nearly every aspect of the "official" story of 9-11"

I also very much agree with the review on Loosechange911.com by someone called Glen who said:

"I don't think i can type out in such an expression that would come across to let you know how impressed and floored I am by everything. The opening 5 minutes was so impressive factually that it was almost like a Jerry Maguire "you had me at hello" moment"

And well, you know how it goes. Fans of any film or TV show will all have opinions about what they want to see in it, while artists of all kinds are often accused of being too close to their own works to see what they are doing so well. It's a situation we have all been in before.

My feeling is that Loose Change, in laudably ever-seeking to refine its quality, is at some risk of reprocessing itself and its message to a point of over-dilution. Powerful nuances are being lost between different edits of LC which could undermine the spirit and message of the production that made it such a runaway success to begin with.

Loose Change Covered on Paula Zahn Now on CNN - Video Download

Dylan Avery, Korey Rowe, and Jason Bermas were featured tonight in a 4 minute segment on Paula Zahn, click the image above to grab it. Big ups to Neil for the hookup! Thanks TT for the google video link!

Report on Protests from NYC

Just got a first hand report from JR Guerra as to the activities this morning in NYC.

First off, he said that the protests at Ground Zero this morning went well. He approximated 2,000 activists at Ground Zero and said there was no provocation and that everyone behaved well. He said that Korey Rowe had handed out 800 copies of LC2E, and 200+ t-shirts. He said that once they had left Ground Zero they went to the financial district to protest in front of Spitzer's office and Silverstein's office, and that the police were very nice and had blocked off all of Broadway street for them. He said that they were currently on the way to city hall and were still running strong with a very large group of protesters.

So, since I can't find anyone at all reporting on it I think this is the first report, please post other reports in the comments as you come across them.

Big thanks to JR Guerra for the first hand info!

Florida Democratic Hopeful Dr. Robert Bowman to Appear at LC2E Screening for Democrats

Commentary: Democrats screen movie questioning 9/11 story - PalmBeachPost.com

Five years later, the suggestion that a shadowy domestic cabal and not Osama bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks has gone from tin-hat chatter to an officially sanctioned way to recruit grass-roots workers and drum up a few bucks for the Palm Beach County Democratic Party.

The local party's Volunteer Outreach, Information, Coordination and Education (VOICE) Committee is sponsoring a screening of the 9/11 conspiracy pic Loose Change later this month (suggested donation: $5) with a special appearance by Space Coast Democratic congressional long shot Bob Bowman, a prominent doubter of the official 9/11 narrative.

The VOICE Committee's Rick Neuhoff handed out Exposing the Myth of 9/11 fliers at Thursday's Democratic Executive Committee powwow. Neuhoff says he's convinced that President Bush had "foreknowledge" of the attacks and that the World Trade Center "didn't come down because of the planes."

The local Democratic Party isn't endorsing any 9/11 theory, Chairman Wahid Mahmood says, just trying to present "an educational process for all of us."

Thanks to u2r2h for the submission!

RTP - Public Portuguese TV

Hi everyone, my first entry in this blog is just to say that here in Portugal there was ONLY one media to question the 911 story, it was the public television, RTP , they showed us the famous documentary, Loose Change.