PROOF OF THERMATE QUESTIONED: Prof. Fetzer vs. Prof. Jones
James H. Fetzer and Steven E. Jones
6 May 2007
NOTE: This exchange was initiated by a post from Nila Sagadevan endorsing “proof of thermate” in a post included at the end. Steve's replies to my original are identified, as are my new responses. I have edited asides in order to focus on the important issues, where anyone who has received the originals can verify the difference for themselves. I have had the great benefit of expert advice from Judy Wood, Ph.D., in preparing this reply. In my opinion, the most serious question facing the 9/11 truth movement is the adequacy of this line of research.
ORIGINAL (3 May 2007):
I am fascinated with your seemingly unqualified endorsement of Steve Jones' thermite/thermate hypothesis. I hope that some of the members of this list can help me figure this out, because I must be missing something not to recognize that his approach holds the key to understanding what happened at the World Trade Center. Please ask your list if someone could help me figure out what I have wrong. Thanks!
JONES (4 May 2007):
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Episode 1 - Pull It Starring: Prof. Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Alex Jones and Remo Conscious. Episode 1 discusses the collapse of the World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2 and 7, and features Remo Conscious' new music video "We Know".
Ex-BYU professor bases theory on examination of dust samples
By Philip Jankowski
Stephen E. Jones, a retired physicist from Brigham Young University, announced his findings Saturday that imply a controlled demolition as the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2001, instead of the impact from the two airplanes.
His findings were announced during the Project for the New American Citizen's two day event "Rebuilding America's Senses: Exposing False-Flag Terrorism to Prevent a New 9/11."
DR. STEVEN JONES Lecture in Austin Texas
Project for a New American Citizen: Rebuilding America’s Senses
PNAC- 4/14/07- NEW 9/11 EVIDENCE
Steven Jones discusses the NIST report, thermite, and his new analysis of “iron rich spheres” found in dust samples taken from an apartment across the street from Ground Zero. This analysis provides additional “smoking gun” evidence that thermite was used in the destruction of the WTC towers. It is noteworthy that these dust samples were flown into this apartment during the destruction of the WTC towers.
Only the use of thermite could = 6 weeks at 1500 degrees- why so hot Rudy?
Dr. Jones' inspiring and recently revised paper is located here:
I couldn't help but notice the YouTube link to "Linear Thermite Cutting Charges":
Frank Legge answers some of the common misunderstandings about thermite and its variants. This information is very important in understanding the thermate evidence discovered by Steven Jones and how it relates to his controlled demolition hypothesis.
Frank Legge [in bold], Jan 11, 2007 (Peer-reviewed Letter)
[Responding to a] paper by Wood and Reynolds, dated December 14, 2006:“The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis”.
[Wood and Reynolds in italics]:
Steven Jones claimed that nano-enhanced thermite or thermate could account for pulverization of the Twin Towers. One difficulty with his hypothesis is that nano-enhanced thermite apparently did not exist in 2001 and only recently has the Department of Defense awarded contracts to prove and develop such a product.
Of course the inventions are available to cut the columns. In this research, I found out a bunch of interesting things with some patent searches. Things like creating a back pressure behind the thermite/thermate material, to force it as a spray. Using ejection design to force the hot material into the steel. The chemical composition of different thermites and thermates. The burning temperature of thermate and thermite. How much steel can a pound of thermite burn through. Pyronol.RTM., once ignited, will attain temperatures between six and twelve thousand degrees Fahrenheit. Wait a minute, will attain temperatures between six and twelve thousand degrees Fahrenheit. Are you kidding me, what’s this Pyronol stuff?
The data and number of patents is overwhelming.
Here’s the URL for the patent office search, just enter the following patent numbers into the search box and click search.
To search for your favorite search terms go here:
NEW YORK (AP) -- Workers who spent months searching for human remains in the World Trade Center rubble were often at odds with the agency overseeing the cleanup and frequently asked to halt the operation as they recovered body parts.
As the work was wrapping up in 2002, several officials handling the recovery warned that things were moving too fast. They believed more pieces of the lost 2,749 victims could be found, but they were overruled, two of those officials told The Associated Press this week.
The officials gave the account after a utility crew accidentally discovered body parts last week in an abandoned manhole along the western edge of the site, and forensic experts have since dug down and found more than 100 bones and fragments from skulls, ribs, arms, legs, feet and hands.
"I knew that this was going to happen -- they really just wanted us out of there," said retired Police Lt. John McArdle, the New York Police Department's ground zero commander. "There was not a good exit strategy for some of these places, and if there was, it was poorly done."
The project finished months ahead of city officials' yearlong prediction, and cost about $750 million -- just a fraction of the initial multibillion-dollar estimate.