"When the government fears the People, that is Liberty. When the People fear the Government, that is tyranny." — Thomas Jefferson

Fascinating "Mythbusters" just on: they were testing *cell phones in planes*: *can* a cell phone signal interfere with a planes' navigating instruments?

They said it twice: that it is a FEDERAL VIOLATION to try and make a cell phone call from a plane. They couldn't charter a plane for the purpose of their experiment for this reason.

But they tested it on the ground, and cell phone signals don't have any effect on an airplane's navigation systems! Ergo: Myth Busted.

What they obviously avoided was the question: is it even *possible* to make a cell phone call from a plane? Up to what altitude?

The writers/producers used all number of "tin foil hat-wearing CONSPIRACY THEORISTS" statements, while completely avoiding the real question.

Is the "Mythbusters" audience *that* dumb?

Everybody remember this?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/15/attack/main509096.shtml

"Mr. Bush said the investigation should be confined to Congress because it deals with sensitive information that could reveal sources and methods of intelligence."

That was his reasoning for not wanting an investigation.

Anyone know how we are gonna turn up the heat and get Silverstein to respond to Sheen's "personal request" to back up his WTC-7 statements?

Now's the time for activism. Let them know you know:

"$9.11 in Pump #2, please"

Try writing ”Investigate 9/11” or ”What about World Trade Center Building 7” on the backside of the bill. That might do the trick as well.

Are you a good American?

Deanna Spingola
March 25, 2006

There are still people who claim we are fighting a "war of terror" based on the events of September 11, 2001. There always has to be a justification for war. This "war of terror" farce is perpetuated by numerous "good Republican" pundits who inflame the patriotic passion of the ignorant or insult the integrity of knowledgeable skeptics. There is sufficient evidence to convince any intelligent researcher that the anomalies of 9/11 cannot be answered satisfactorily by the administration and their phony 9/11 Commission. A CNN Poll as of March 24, 2006 indicates the results of the following question: Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks? Yes 81% 20441 votes; No 19% 4688 votes. [18] I don't know what political party Sheen belongs to, but he appears to be acting like a "good American."

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/spingola/060325

Operation Northwoods:

In 1962 the Joint Chiefs of Staff were going to paint a plane like a commercial airliner and swap it with a real one. Then they were gonna shoot it down and blame Castro for it. Then go to war against Cuba using this fake terrorism. This document shows a number of similar actions and they were willing to kill civilians to make this plan happen.

I think maybe they finally got around to using this tactic on Sept 11, 2001.

All you have to do is read history:: :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

sigh

Valis, thats hilarious:

"Can I get 9.11 please?"

They pump 9 bucks and 11 cents in your tank, completely confused as to WTF you are up to. Then you hand them $9.11 and a deception dollar, tell them to investigate 9/11 and drive away.

It would definitely be memorable for that person and he'd probably tell others.

You could also offer a course in the proper fitting of a tinfoil hat...

Flanstein, you could well use a course on how to wear a tinfoil hat, as not only are you an ignorant conspiracy theorist, but due to your ignorance you would also likely have an impossibly difficult time trying to make a tinfoil hat for yourself without someone instructing you. So it's good that you're seeking help.

You see, unlike you, I do not believe in any conspiracy theories, such as the U.S. government's lying, self-serving, a-historical, a-factual, and provably false official fairy tale conspiracy theory concerning the 9/11 attacks.

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Flanstein, download the below clip which unmistakably shows explosive charges going from bottom to top on the World Trade Center 7 building, taken from the Naudet brothers' documentary *9/11*:

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/Flashes/squibview.mpg

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/squibview.7.qt

See also:

"Nails In The Coffin of Trade Seven - WTC-7 Collapse Footage Shows Unmistakable Demolition Charges," Mind_Virus, LibertyForum, November 27, 2004:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=293...

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And, Flanstein, one can also make a conclusive case proving the U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks even without any physicalist inquiry into the plane crashes or collapsed buildings (even though the case for that is conclusive), i.e., via historical inquiry into the public record in conjunction with deductive reasoning. For example, in regard to such facts as listed below:

- The PNAC document in 2000 calling for "a new Pearl Harbor" as a pretext for Middle-East domination;

- the fact that the October 2001 Afghanistan invasion was planned months beforehand (thus, the U.S. government was certain months before the 9/11 attacks that a pretext would present itself allowing the U.S. government to invade Afghanistan, and lo and behold such a pretext arives right on time);

- the fact that the supposed hijackers weren't Muslim extremists but did cocaine, hired prostitutes, drank alcohol, partied hard, etc.;

- the fact that many of the supposed hijackers were trained on U.S. military bases and had their legal residences on U.S. military bases;

- the fact that the supposed hijackers apparently knew that they had protection from the highest levels of the U.S. government and repeatedly went out of their way to draw attention to themselves as crazed, potential terrorists, as if to build a "legend" back-story;

- the fact that the many FBI agents attempting to invastigate these supposed hijackers were repeatedly and consistently blocked and ordered not to investigate these supposed hijackers, despite forceful protestations from said FBI agents that terrorist attacks were going to happen;

- the fact that U.S. government agents who tried to investigate the supposed hijackers were persecuted yet those in the government who blocked the investigations were promoted and given bonuses;

- the fact that many of these FBI agents went to David Schippers, the former Chief Council for the House Judiciary Committee, informing him (in an attempt to try and get something done) about the planned terrorist attacks and that they were threatened with the National Security Act not to pursue their cases and not to talk about them;

- the fact that David Schippers tried to get high-level functionaries (such as John Ashcroft) in the U.S. government to listen to him but they weren't interested;

- the fact that Osama bin Laden is a protected CIA asset and that before the 9/11 attacks a number of governments offered to arrest Osama and turn him over to the U.S. government but every time the U.S. government wasn't interested, despite the fact that he was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks;

- the fact that the U.S. government worked with, supplied and used Osama's al-Qaeda terrorist network against the Serbian government all the way up into at least 1998, despite the fact that Osama was supposedly wanted in connection to a number of previous terrorist attacks.

And the list of such facts documented by the mainstream major media news articles and in primary documentation (such as the PNAC report) go on and on and on. The above is barely even scratching the surface on such facts as can be found in the mainstream public record. Add to that the fact that the U.S. government has a well-documented history (i.e., modus operandi) of staging such Hegelian dialectical PsyOps attacks as the Pearl Harbor attack, Operation Northwoods (which although didn't go forward due to John F. Kennedy, all the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff approved it for implementation), the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc.

For mainstream documentation on the above facts, as well as on more such facts, see the below documentation resources:

The below post by me contains the November 10, 2003 article "September 11--Islamic Jihad or Another Northwoods?" by Tim Howells, Ph.D., which is a very good, short introduction to just some of the more damning mainstream major media articles and U.S. government primary documentation which proves up one side and down the other that the 9/11 attacks and the following anthrax attacks were a Hegelian dialectical PsyOp staged by the U.S. government as a pretext in order to obtain more power and control. I append my own additional endnotes at the conclusion of Dr. Howells' article, in order to add further mainstream documentation.

From: James Redford
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.education,alt.education.alternative,alt.education.research,misc.education
Subject: The U.S. Government Staged the 9/11 Attacks
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:56 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.college/msg/cdb2f90b15ea3233?dmode=so...

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/tim-howells-september-11-islamic-jihad...

And:

The Truth About the 9/11 Attacks:

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/ (Note that this website by me hasn't been updated in a long time, so some of the links on it have gone dead. You can use http://www.archive.org to revive some of the dead links.)

For more on government-staged terrorism, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

On the HBO DVD “IN MEMORIAM” at approximately 27:30, I see WABC TV newsman “N.J. Burkett” walking alongside 2 NYC cops and Burkett asks them “Why are they pulling us out of here?” The cops reply, “the North Tower...the North Tower is leaning!....” Then the DVD cuts to Mayor Giuliani for a few seconds. Then it’s back to Burkett who screams, “Oh, my God, there it goes!", as he and the cops run like hell further away from the WTC. Then it cuts back to Giuliani & friends who are running like hell too.

Point is, how in the world did these cops have advanced notice that the North Tower was about to collapse ahead of time??? Who told them??? And the North Tower was never leaning before it fell, not to my knowledge! (Earlier, the South Tower leaned DURING its implosion.)

Perhaps whoever was doing the demolition that day felt a twinge of guilt before they demolished the 2nd tower. They gave a quick “heads-up” warning that the 2nd tower was about to fall. (I wish we knew who originated this warning.)

Also on the same DVD, at about 37:50, a fireman, & then a cop, say that WTC-7 is in danger of collapsing. Then we are shown some of the other WTC buildings burning heavily. Suddenly, we are cut back to a view of WTC-7, with very heavy smoke at ground level and around one of its sides. Seconds later, WTC-7 begins to implode. (We are not shown WTC-7 long enough before the collapse to determine where the heavy smoke came from. Could it be from explosives that preceded the collapse?)

As WTC-7 drops, a group of people some blocks away scream. A woman in the group, who looks exactly like journalist Amy Goodman of left-wing “Democracy Now” fame, yells and scampers back. (If this is indeed Ms. Goodman, I wonder why she has never spoken about her eyewitness account of WTC-7 imploding? Maybe she should.)

(If you think this post is helpful, please pass around the info.)

P.S. the above in NOT the HBO special by the Naudet brothers.

People, people... please stop feeding the troll(s). It only encourages them, and wastes time and energy that could be used more constructively.

fair enough, if people have serious legitimate questions, or skepticism of 911-skepticism - but once someone has proven themselves unwilling (or unable!) to enter constructive/critical dialogue, FORGET THEM and IGNORE THEM. They will tire and move on elsewhere.

I've been getting a lot of emails from people interested in this, but I need teachers...

I've been overtly active in exposing the government's official lies about 9/11 since 2003.

Since then, I've met with little but suppression, marginalization, and false verbal attacks from the ring of self-proclaimed 911 truth advocates and web sites with which Michael Wolsey has aligned himself both philosophically and link-wise. Such behavior (I'll spare you the long list) clearly marks them as wolves in sheepdog's clothing.

The narrowness of their disagreement with the government (and slick, practically subliminal support of key aspects of the govt's Big Lie) is nurtured and based largely of gatekeeping, and suppression of govt-lie-breaking evidence, not unlike the MSM and government itself. Sites which go beyond their narrow definition (and enforcement!) of what is and what is not considered "911 truth" are verboten, excluded, ignored (except by oilempire.us -- to which they all link -- which falsely and divisively smears many such sites). So while www.911blimp.net has, can, and does still link to some of those sites, none of those "keepers" of 911 'truth' can or will link to 911blimp.net.
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"Anyone know how we are gonna turn up the heat and get Silverstein to respond to Sheen's "personal request" to back up his WTC-7 statements?"

It doesn't work that way, sonny.

Silverstein doesn't have to back up anything.

You do understand that basic fact, don't you?

James Redford wrote,

"Everyone, please download the below clip which unmistakably shows explosive charges going from bottom to top on the World Trade Center 7 building, taken from the Naudet brothers' documentary *9/11*:"

You have to PROVE it, James. Given that you would believe that without eliminating the fact that an internal collapse that was going on at the time, you need to demonstrate that they are not what we know them to be: simply puffs of dust and smoke from the air being compressed as the floors fell.

You amatuer sleuths with no knowledge of physics or structural engineering that go on endlessly ranting about controlled demolition don't even have a clue that you HAVE to provide ACTUAL evidence.

And after three years all you can produce is something that "looks like" controlled demolition.

You're a hoot a minute.

"Since then, I've met with little but suppression, marginalization, and false verbal attacks from the ring of self-proclaimed 911 truth advocates and web sites with which Michael Wolsey has aligned himself both philosophically and link-wise. Such behavior (I'll spare you the long list) clearly marks them as wolves in sheepdog's clothing."

Blimpy... you WISH you've accomplished all that Michael has. How dare you question his motives. I talk to him everyday, and he's a GOOD MAN.

Great idea, this is something in which has been needed for a long time, to organize into something cohesive.