LIHOP in my mind is already proven. And this is why given the information contained, I reccomend(and already have been linking Everybody online)

See most people even if they hate Bush firmly believe in incompetence. We need to change that. This is a solid way to start I believe, production values not withstanding. Hey, at least
I say it doesnt have the feel of one of those crappy evangelist Anthony J Hilder/Wingtv/conspiracy theory drenched "documentaries".

congrats. i cant wait to see it. ive heard great things.

also, it looks like Randi Rhodes will be on Larry King Live tonight. for anyone thats interested.(she SO wants to be MIHOP, i wish she would just make the leap already.)

yes!! I have very high hopes, lets hope he sticks to facts not theories.

"I like your Christ, I don't like your Christians, your Christians are nothing like your Christ."

Ghandi

Try VLC Media Player ®

I'm an athiest but certainly not scared by a quote from the bible. Im downloading the movie right now. Pretty excited.

John Albanese,

I just watched it; initial response; GRAVITAS. BULLETPROOF. BRAVO!!

You have given us great firepower. Even now, legions are deploying in great numbers across the land to arm the People. Storm is coming; sleep well this night.

http://mp3.openmusicsource.net/artists/50669/The_Burden_of_Knowledge.mp3

u2r2h, excellent! Downloading and sharing the torrent file right now. I'll keep my bittorrent client open and keep uploading for.... forever! ;-)

CK, instead of downloading QT7 you can also use Quicktime Alternative. Easier.

John Albanese,

You, sir, rock.

ha! my dvd skipped for a second, then played the last 20 seconds of the film and ended.. i didn't realize it had skipped to the end so i was like WTF!? only 30 minutes long!?!?

hehehe.. now i gotta fastforward back to my place.. doh.

thanks anonymous for overnighting the film!

still encoding.. hopefully it will come out right ;)

gw,

can i get your real email address? can you email me?

id appreciate it!

I believe that UNITY is the most important attribute that we as 9/11 activists should strive for in 2006.

There you have it! You 911 scum! Follow me! Only under my mental leadership will we attain the final victory!!

ultimately, the only thing that matters is that 9/11 is exposed,

Well, maybe if 911-truth was NOT exposed, but we had a fair-trading system in the world.. I'd be happy, too. MANY short, important FAIR-TRADE ARGUMENTS are mentioned in George Monbiot TUC radio interview:

http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=8188 318d/l on 12may06-10h31utc

and this tragic USA foreign policy

TRAGIC?

the word tragedy is often misused.
a TRAGEDY is if there are ONLY TWO
SHITTY solutions. "either you marry the monster or you die"

CRIMINAL is the word. Just see who OWNS the BANKS in Iraq. USA practises monetary slavery, and all rich people in the world help out of greed.

We move into an unprecedented dangerous time for American foreign policy.

How so? THE USA MILITARY!

You all know it. The REAL CONCLUSION of 9/11 is:

abolish the military, and abolish the murder-SPOOK-agencies

I haven't seen it yet, but the TORRENT is the way to download it:

http://ts.searching.com/torrent/732012/911_truth_Everybody_s_Gotta_Learn...

(John Albanese sounds like Tom Flooco)

No Hijackers For 911

911 was and inside job and no one knows more about it than Vice President Dick Cheney. De Gand Pre says that on the day of 911 there was a coup de tat of the U.S. government by the administration, and forsees a probable military coup to take it back and try those responsible for 911 in a military tribunal.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=45160

http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrandpre.html

Alex Jones Interviews Col. Donn de Grand-Pre

The Alex Jones Show

This is the full MP3 audio of Alex's explosive interview with Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.). de Grand-Pre outlines how 9/11 was carried out by order of an inside group of Neo-Cons. de Grand-Pre knows personally the pilot who shot down Flight 93.

OK, I just viewed it. I hate to fall into the MIHOP/LIHOP dichotomy, but for purposes here, it is a LIHOP home run. I would give it an A-. I don't like the couple of minutes early on about the 2000 election because I think Republicans will then tune it out as a partisan hack piece. I also thought that the fiction references in the middle were a little overboard.

On the plus side: this is great in highlighting the damning information that came out in the Moussaoui trial. It nails the General Ahmad/Ahmed point. It drives home Able Danger and other investigatory issues.

This movie is LC2E lite, but in a good sense. This is the movie you show to your parents or to people who can't handle too much tinfoil or speculation.

Mr. Albanese, this is a great work. Thank you for your time and energy. (Oh yeah, it's Sibel "Edmonds," not "Edmunds":)

Sorry to play a little spoiler, but one more comment. I started to roll my eyes when Abramoff came up, thinking this was going to devolve into a piece on Republican corruption in general, then BAM! The SunCruz connection. Awesome.

the scene from network is effing brilliant

Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Friday 12 May 2006

Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051206Y.shtml

Whoa this alex jones interview is awesome... just 30 mins in but already WOW

NSA Whistleblower To Expose More Unlawful Activity: ‘People…Are Going To Be Shocked’:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/12/more-unlawful-activity/

John Albanese and fellow compatriots:

I just finished watching your film.
You have my utmost respect and thanks.

The "Network" clip was the best part. And letting the 7 minutes just tick away at the elementary school really gives you a good idea of how strange that really was.

This film is great. Thank god our democracy lasted long enough for him to put this out.

I just gave the San Diego Free FM affliate some copies of 9/11 Revisited. Whos willing to bet they won't even watch them? I am.

the local Free FM in my part of the country(Philly area) runs conservative book comercials all the time(Ann Coulter no less) so i doubt you will have much luck there. im pretty sure Clear Channel owns them, so you know how that goes.

I just watched it John, and I'm crying.

I'm crying because it's so hard to get the message out. This movie will help. In a big way. Thank you for making it, and thanks for the dedication to all of us at the end.

dsm, its about to get a whole lot worse for Hayden, but sadly, 63% of americans support what the NSA is doing right now. just imagine how low that number would be if the big lies that are 9/11 and the war on terror were exposed. keep fightng people, i know you will.

Downloading/uploading the torrent right now, along with 911 Eyewitness and LC2E, as always....

Does anybody know why "September 11 Revisited" (not the Steven Jones version) isn't available for download anywhere, or where? I think it's a valuable tool too, because it makes the point that the stories we heard on 9/11 from witnesses were never repeated in the press after the official CT came out.

Just finished viewing the VIDEO IPOD

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688

100meg version, and the quality is fine, though could be optimized.
(RMVB Real Video could make this much smaller and higher quality)

1536kbit/sec -- video codec: avc1 -- res: 320x180 -- 29.9 fps -- audio codec: mp4a -- 2 channels/16bits/48Khz

The sound DOES come out of only one speaker... but thats not a problem.

I used the SMALL-standalone player VLC http://www.videolan.org/ that works on EVERY windows version, however moronised the operating system has become by corrupted software. It just works.

The mp4-coding (video) quality is
very good for the size... VLC displays
some PINK BLOTCHES every now and then.. nothing serious, its still

FANTASTIC VIEWING a MUST SEE.

about the message of the film:

It is a shocking wrap-up with great soundtrack.. simple to understand, no controversy.

I found two factual errors:

von Buelow was not "intelligence minister" there is no such post in the German Gov. Though it is almost true because he was a STATE SECRETARY functioning as (the people's) overseer of what the german spooks are doing.

the second mistake is that it showed

JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF and showed MYERS, but he was promoted to chairman only AFTER 911. The guy RESPONSIBLE (and in charge, overriding the president in an emergency) was HENRY SHELTON and he was in England, or en route....two MINOR errors i feel.

the length of 1hr11min48s is good.. just about perfect.

For our local community TV we need a HI-QUALITY version AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I will download the TORRENT which amazingly has only 18 downloaders:

http://ts.searching.com/torrent/732012/911_truth_Everybody_s_Gotta_Learn...

Great film. Great summary of many of the things rattling around in my brain that are hard to cover when talking 1 on 1 with folks . I'll be doing my part by passing along the link to as many people as I can. I'm sure it will appeal to some of the more hardheaded people i've tried to get through to that are too lazy to do their own research and who don't particularly care for the "psuedo-science" or "video analysis" that many other 911 films focus too much on. Thank you.

I just watched too. Thought up these words, they're part of a theraputic essay I'm writing.

"Well, like many of you, I think about the events of 9/11 every day. I too am convinced that some of our "elected" leaders, along with their appointees and various cronies, have conspired against us. We have seen this administration, this Neo-Conservative Mafia, bring forth a brutal campaign of death and corruption. On that day in September, we saw our cherished principles and hard-fought values violently slain. They would be only the first blood-soaked victims in the Radical Right's crusade.

Other casualties would soon follow.

The mainstream media did not televise the funeral of our Constitution, they did not even interrupt the regularly-scheduled brainwashing to tell us She had died. A hit-and-run accident just paralyzed the Bill of Rights, and our mother Democracy is lying in a raped in a ditch, gasping shallow breaths, awaiting an ambulance of justice that may never arrive.

These are desperate times, my friends.

All is not lost, yet. We who fight are the air that Democracy breaths, and we must stand up and be heard. Now. "

Does anybody know why "September 11 Revisited" (not the Steven Jones version) isn't available for download anywhere, or where?
timbermonkey | 05.12.06 - 8:21 pm | #

I'm with you timbermonkey. Could anyone out there with it make a torrent of it?

much appreciated. Unless the maker doesn't want it to be. In that case, then this makes sense.

This video is a great complement to LC2E. BTW....are you guys noticing how consistently high LC2E has been on Google Video Top 100? It's been #3-#5 for the last week.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939&q=9%2F11

this one?

If someone has a good line
AND/OR understands MULTIPLE TRACKER TORRENTS.. could they please upload the torrent to http://thepiratebay.org

and please post the links to the newsgroups and forums!!
go for it! Everyone make 5 posts, please.

Here is what to post:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

911 truth: EverybodyÂ’s Gotta Learn Sometime, new SHOCKING documentary of released 8 may 2006.

Bandwidth frugal TORRENT download:
http://ts.searching.com/torrent/732012/911_truth_Everybody_s_Gotta_Learn...

Google Video download:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Weldon sounded PISSED. i wish he would go further though.hes been quiet lately.

the movie ended with this song, a really great choice if your familiar:
http://www.lacave.net/~fred/lyrics/nin/sicnh.html

OK, now Mininova has it as well!

http://www.mininova.org/tor/308456

only 21 people leeching it.

this movie had something Loose Change and a lot of other 9/11 movies lack. spotlight on the media. we MUST highlight the media when talking about 9/11. that was the best thing about Hufschmids film. its the media stupid.

i love the NIN at the end too.

Ian C:

911 Revisited is online:

http://www.archive.org/details/911revisited

-DHS

Just watched it with my friend. The use of music was good, tho I have to say I think it was a poor choice to make the whole film a windows media slide show.
Ive seen a lot of quick 9/11 shorts use that method, and Alex Jones does that too...I think it would have been nice if there was some original footage shot, or new interviews, or something. As a slide show presentation, it proves LIHOP squarely. It misses some big details, but it really went into the area I think a lot of 9/11 truth videos miss: And thats the provable lihop versus physical theories. The thing on Able Danger proved to me the issue isnt a red herring or strawman. The thing with Abrahomoff was long but interesting. It should have mentioned the NORAD war games.

Now I want to apologize about my rhetoric on Flight 77. I never bought the idea that that was part of the coverup, even knowing someone whose good friend died in that attack I felt awkward going along with a theory that seemed implausible.

But you remember that part in Everybody's gotta Learn when that black lt. col. at the pentagon is quoted as asking if someone could take his palce in the war room between 8:30 and 10:30 am on 9/11? I then rewatched Loose Change...and holy crap, one of th epilot sinvovled in the late 2000
Pentagon war game simulation, his flight 77 was used in the attack less than 10 months later. WTF? Are these two things true? And then the reinforced area that just happened to be the one spot where the plane hit. And frame 1 that may or may not show Flight 77. And then the erratic manuverability of Flight 77. I still dont buy the missle thing, but yeah...maybe it was remote controlled.
I do have a hard time believing it was
a a1 skywarrior or some millitary plane, as where did the switch occur? Still, its very troubling to say the least.

As for Everybody's Gotta Learn, I give it a D- for production values(looked lik eyour average generic windows media cut n paste slide show job), a B+ for information, A+ for choice of music and emotional feel.
pockybot | 05.13.06 - 1:26 am | #

i give it a C at best... lc2 blows it away... no question...

huh - thats wrong. you comment about flt 93 photos and then in your next comment you say here are the photos but they are death photos that have nothing to do with flt 93. not cool at all.

in today's society, even the movement needs to be presentable in a fashion that appeals

911 was a shock and awe op on america. the truth movement needs to be presented in a shock and awe manner as well. the time for reasonableness is rapidly coming to an end. no more mr. nice guys.

dude you guys are knocking this too much...i thought it was very well done--even the "production value". it's an excellent film to add to the arsenal. loose change or alex jones is too much for some people to stomach; EGLS makes a compelling LIHOP case and people who get into exploring 9/11 generally follow the path of incompetence--LIHOP--MIHOP (I sure did). We've got to grow and strengthen the movement and i think LIHOP is totally crucial. Bravo to the film maker.

I love Alex Jones. But newcomers find him too hard to believe.

James Ha,
So you're suggesting an eye for an eye?
I think not.
Stay nice, stay civil, and remain active.
The message can and SHOULD appeal on a number of different levels, but when you create imagery and sound that clash, as a basic principle it will not digest well within many person's psyche, and as a result it will result in a psychological resistance.
This doc was rushed with little artistic aid.
A revision must be made.

"people who get into exploring 9/11 generally follow the path of incompetence--LIHOP--MIHOP"

Although I know a number of people who skipped the lihop stage. It depends on the evidence you find most compelling.

special request for artistic minded - or photoshop skilled readers -

would or could anyone create an image of Bush with the School Children on 9/11 and juxtapose it with Saddam Hussein and the School Children prior to the 1991 invasion, and Stalin with Children, and Hitler with Children?

I think it would make a chilling image.

please lmk at rebel_patriot_911@hotmail dot com

cloak,
an eye for an eye? no, that's not what i meant - i am not advocating violence, and i have dial-up so i haven't seen this new one yet, i wasn't referring to that either. no, 911 was total shock and awe "OMG look at that! - the end of life as we know it!" right? but my first exposure to some truth was the pod and the 12' dia. pentahole and the pentalawn etc. that i found at letsroll911.org - the feeling of seeing that was sort of like a shock and awe of it's own, and everything since then has only felt like "of course!" but that initial feeling was what i meant. i was thinking of newcomers - think about some skaterkids: would they pay attention to a rational explanation of the meaning of the words "pull it" or a list of coincidences and oddities? no. but something like http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main might shock and awe them into learning more about 911 and in turn shocking and aweing other newcomers. spreading the truth (as we see it) far and wide depends on newcomers. shock and awe. GRRR.

The build up on the Iran Iraq border is coinciding with a dramatic increase in media propaganda. Somethings going to happen soon. Im worried.

What program should i use to convert the high quality MP4 file to a high quality WMV or AVI? I want to start working on the subtitles but i can not play the MP4 file in subtitle workshop...

Great movie BTW!

A good film which brings some fresh and interesting angles. It's a valuable asset for the 9/11 truth movement.

Thank you and good luck.

Jack Cashill steps up to defend the official story of 9-11

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50172

Cahill should have his head examined. :)

For an incident to have happened as imagined, all evidence has to support it ... says Cahill about real THEORIES that have totally dismantled the official STORY.

Yeah sure. LOL

Again, worldnetdaily is hillarious. They promote every mid 90's conspiracy theory out there, but believe the 9/11 story all the way.

Ok guys, here it is...the one article that to me at least, satisfies my belief that Flight 77 hit the pentagon:
http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/pentahole_dimensions_est.htm

He also brings up something I was thinking, and my friend in the millitary mentiond: The 5 released frames were doctored.

Zarqawi steps up civilian attacks:
http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20060512-122037-7572r

"Attacks on civilians in Baghdad have increased 80 percent in the past 2 1/2 months and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is to blame, a U.S. military spokesman says."

Flashback:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR200604...

"Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi"

A 757 can´t fly at 530 mph. (Mach .8) virtually hugging the ground. Something apparently did hit the Pentagon and judging from entry and exit holes it did so horizontally - feet off the ground. As a result it must have approached at feet off the ground. If you assume that it was the 757 you have to stick to the official story of 530 mph. And the witness tesimony has to fit that too. In this regard the location of the witnesses is very important since that plane goes at almost 800 feet per second. Strangely some people reporting seeing that plane zoom right over them in their cars sufferered no hearing damage at all and their cars did not budge. This is very strange to say the least in fact miraculous. :)

Sorry about that.

Read Mach point 8 -

8/10ths of Mach.

Again... it's not our job to come up with the answers. It's our job to ask the questions, and it's our job to make them answer them.

One aspect of the 9/11 theory I don't see explored, is the possibility or likelihood that if 9/11 was an inside job, it was not orchrestrated by the US. But merely, elements in the US beyond political parties realized al Qaeda was planning an attack, and simply helped make the end result more spectacular. Hence possible WTC explosives. They may have felt that the attack was gonna happen anyways, might as well get the public to wake up by making it more dramatic. No wonder Osama wonders in the confession tape why the towers fell.

The mean feature of the official 9/11 story is a series of events that have no precedent in History.

It was the first time that fire had led to a collapse of steel high rise buildings, three of them that day no less, one of which wasn´t even hit by a plane. Those were absolute and total collapses to boot, basically to dust.

It was the first time that reinforced building structures had collapsed at free fall speed in a gravity driven event, that is never before had the structure not managed to delay the collapse noticably. Again these were total collapses to dust.

It was first time that a Boeing 757 had flown at 530 mph. (8/10ths of Mach) basically hugging the ground.

And it was the first time in history that a 100-ton airliner had basically been vaporized in a crash, steel, titanium, aluminum and all. Still, in spite of all that metal being vaporized, what consisted by 70% of water, namely the passengers, could still be identified by dna. So metal went up into thin air but bags of water remained at least enough of them for everyone to be identified.

Of course this is all miraculous ans impossible - exactly what usually characterizes fables and myths.

It's actually quite simple when you think about it.

Since there was no wreckage to speak of at the scene they had to overhype the speed of the plane up to a silly 530 miles per hour.

It came in at a extremely high speed, there was a tremendous explosion and the plane was vaporized. Americans love high speed and big explosions, this is something they can easily grasp. It's ready-made, easy to absorb brain washing.

Pockybot, it's a moot point now because even if the government itself wasn´t initially complicit it certainly has become complicit since then. After all they concocted the story of events.

Jack Cashill is a criminal apologist and should be put on trial with the rest of the cronies who pulled off 9/11.

Nice video but no cigar. LIHOP just doesn't do it for me. Some insider better step up soon. The Bush administration is in shambles. Rove is being indicted, the polls are at 29%, the phone tapping scandal ect. You know what they say about a trapped animal.

a B+ for information, A+ for choice of music and emotional feel.
pockybot | 05.13.06 - 1:26 am | #
i agree, i thought the music was great, loved the nine inch nails at the end.i just wish this movie had more teeth.they could have and should have went further.and by the way pocky, stop using that broad brush. not all liberals "support" Bill Maher so stop acting like we do.do you really wanna debate the merits of conservatism and liberalism with me? i know nobody else here wants to see that so stop assuming things.your constant trashing of liberals is annoying.we get it, you dont like leftys. jesus christ.

http://www.rense.com/general70/3o.htm

I thought of a new way to approach Condoleezza Rice's "predicted" comment.

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile."

Anyone ever predict a transponder being turned off?

Anyone ever predict a plane going off course?

Anyone ever predict a plane being hijacked?

Anyone ever predict a plane crashing?

Anyone ever predict a plane crashing into a building?

We know they have predicted these scenarios, and have created procedures in which to deal with them.

Why were none of them followed on 9/11?

People generally try to find examples of planes being flown into the WTC, or the Pentagon.

So on 9/11... the people in charge of protecting America's skies knew in advance that these planes were going to be flown into buildings, and because no one could POSSIBLY have predicted such a scenario, they had absolutely no idea what to do?

I think not. They knew what to do. Something else prevented them from doing it.

I know that falls in line with the "standard operating procedures" comments... but to me, it was just a different way of looking at it.

EVEN multiple hijackings have taken place before, so I'm sure they had a procedure for that as well.

could somebody hook me up with Sibel Edmonds original 60 Minutes interview?

Isn't this guy LIHOP?

sadly yes, he doesnt touch demolition or anything like that. still a great movie though.more info about the hijackers and their connections than most 9/11 films.

About everybody's gotta learn...: to me, still misses the mark. Great research and for 9/11 research purists perhaps but does not do what Loose Change does which is grab you emotionally by the Aorta and squeezes. Only the Bush scene at the end with America is under attack flashing does this. Loose Change is terrific because it demands something of the viewer. Looking forward very much to LC3.

dz probably doesnt parse your every word.

The 9/11 Wonderful World of Disney

http://nineeleven2001.tripod.com/images/ua175-1-a.swf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2033791...

Every NSA-"findings" in mainstream media are just the tip of the iceberg.

In September 2005, the NSA granted a Net location-tracking patent

http://news.com.com/NSA+granted+Net+location-tracking+patent/2100-7348_3...

It described a way to discover someone's physical location by comparing it to a "map" of Internet addresses with known locations.

Don't we all have a "common interest"?

"i guess they could find a "military pilot" to suicide himself. right?"

Or someone trained by the military.

Tice is going to come out with "shocking allegations" regardng NSA next week. cant wait to see what he has to say. thats a guy who really cares about democracy.

yes, or a military drone without a pilot.its much easier to just use a drone aircraft then to have to find someone willing to kill themselves.

"yes, or a military drone without a pilot.its much easier to just use a drone aircraft then to have to find someone willing to kill themselves."

Or, a commercial plane taken control by someone with military training.

Remotely.

Yeah Chris, it looks real bad for the Bush gang. Fortunately there are many other scandals waiting to be exposed in the secrecy-obsessed administration. The more Bush's approval plummets aliong with the credibility of his administration the more receptive the public will be to 911 Truth. And eventually the MSM will smell the blood and feel it's safe to join in for a bite. Let´s say it all blows up when Bush's approval is at 20%.

"Let´s say it all blows up when Bush's approval is at 20%."

Nixon resigned at 25%.

the fact remains that a jumbo jet CANT move like a military aircraft. its not possible.the professionals who all said it moved like a military aircraft said that for a reason.not because it was a jumbo jet moving like a military aircraft, but because it was a military aircraft.747/757s dont have the capability to move like military planes.

63% of amercians support what the president is doing with the NSA.thats disgusting to me. and we all know that is only the tip of the iceberg as far as domestic spying goes. i dont have much faith in the american people anymore.

Yeah Gold, but here it seems a question of self-preservation for some people in very high places so it will probably drag along.

Then again we could have WW3 as a diversion from this mess. These are cornered and unstable rats.

americans*

"747/757s dont have the capability to move like military planes."

Release the videos.

"""63% of amercians support what the president is doing with the NSA"""

Really ???

Well, then they're asking for more along the same lines, more losses of liberties. They'll end up like branded cattle. :)

If I'm wrong, and it wasn't Flight 77, then I will be the first to congratulate everyone who has used that as their main argument to turn people onto the truth.

Yeah, they must release those videos.

Well, they're clearly lying when they say a 757 zoomed into the Pentagon at 530 mph. Unfortunately they're stuck with that. They can´t backtrack to for example the more realistic 200-250 mph for the simple reason that they can´t change the scene. :)

"The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]."

Andreas Von Buelow - January 13th, 2002

its not my main argument, not be any means, but its something you cant be absolutist about on either side. i think its entirely possible that a 747 did indeed hit the Pentagon, i just dont find it very likely.

They can´t backtrack to for example the more realistic 200-250 mph for the simple reason that they can´t change the scene.
Gangster | 05.13.06 - 11:12 am | #
which all by itself is not proof, but evidence that a 747 didnt hit the Pentagon.

Do you have rock solid proof on what hit the pentagon? NO!
Do you have rock solid proof on how the towers came down? No! If you did contact Steven Jones.
Do you have rock solid proof on what happen to flight 93? NO!

That is why EGLS didn't go into that stuff. Everything EGLS talks about is ROCK SOLID evidence. ALL of it is proveable.

Lets start with what we can prove. All the rest, Controlled Demo., the Pentagon, Shanksville, all of that will fall into place.

Wow. Two thumbs up for Albanese.

Piss and moan about the production quality all you want, the film still delivers the goods. The voiceover is a little dodgy, that's all.

Most of that driving Middle Eastern-inspired music is from Peter Gabriel's "Passion" soundtrack, not sure if anyone has mentioned that.

Lots of Nusfrat Fatah Ali-Khan (sp?) in the background.

Looks like a great educational tool to me.

you can prove WTC7 fell. it didnt even mention that.

"The voiceover is a little dodgy, that's all."

I LOVE the narration... I LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT and here's why...

It's obvious that John is a New Yorker from his accent.

The "fumbles" in narration show that he's human, and an everyday somebody... in other words, a regular joe shmoe trying to make a difference.

you cant prove how WTC7 fell, but the fact that most people dont even know it fell should be reason enough to get into the film. enough nitpicking though, it was a great film.the end portion is enough to make want to cry.Voinivich followed by the somber NIN song was effective.

A creative regular joe schmoe.

you can prove the EPA lied and said the air was safe to breath. But the didn't mention that.

my point is, this film dosn't have it all, just all that you need.

I can sit here and list 20 things off the top of my head this film didn't have in it. If it did, then the film would be 3-4 hours long.

longest thread ever?

Jon,

Boggles the mind is right!

The simplest way to prove that Ms. Rice was lying when she said we couldn't have imagined that planes could be flown into buildings is to point out that TWO examples of that JUST happened: WTC 1 and 2!

With Mineta's testimony we know that the military had ample warning of SOMETHING incoming.

Reasonable people have to ask.... Where was the military?

The absurd explanations in the Commission Report can only mean one thing... Standown....

You tell someone for the first time that the towers had bombs in them, or that a missle hit the pentagon. What's there first reaction? "Dude you're crazy" But if you show them any of this information in EGLS, they can't call you crazy. It's all FACTS.

show the average person a clip of WTC7 and tell them the government wants them to believe that it came down due to fires. your telling me thats not powerful?

longest thread ever?
huh | 05.13.06 - 11:23 am |

No!

Think about this...

The idea of America is based on several things. Several ideals. Everything that we thought America was before we woke up.

Think about EVERYTHING taking place now that goes AGAINST what America is SUPPOSED to stand for.

Putting aside 9/11, these things, in and of themselves should show anyone that things are not right in this country right now.

America is broken.

"sorry Jon,didnt mean to piss you off so easily. all i did was use the exact same tact as you did.(check above for proof)."

You said something that was inaccurate. I called you on it. You have been arrogant, aggressive, and disrespectful during this entire discussion.

(check above for proof)

Some hypothesis are so compelling that they are common sense theories. WTC-7 didn't fall down just for the hell of it.

Jon, i was responding to your semantics. this comment wasnt needed:They didn't say they saw a military plane. They said "we all thought" "that was a military plane".
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:29 am | #
you know damn well what i meant. dont pretend that you didnt. obviously they didnt "see" the plane.
Chris | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:41 am | #
because it was SO needed for you to point out the obvious, that the air traffic controllers didnt physically SEE IT.

You can see these contentless hit pieces laden with thought-stoppers.

These people are on the defensive.

Popular Mechanics? Gimme a break. It was dead and buried in May last year. Now they're desperate to revive it.

It's laughable.

Go tell someone that air traffic controllers most assuredly saw a military plane, then try to prove it.

Chris
There is a big difference between thinking and knowing something.

If they thought it was a military plane, that's one thing. But if they knew it was a military plane then that makes all the difference.

I know what you meant, but a newcomer wouldn't.

they said what they saw ON THE SCREEN looked like a military plane. but stupid me, i said "saw" alone, and Jon was afraid some people would think that i meant they physically saw it. oh the harm that could have been done if somebody didnt catch that typo.

If I may speak for Jon a moment, I believe he has a keen fear that someday photos or videos could be released showing AA77 hitting the Pentagon, and this would be a severe set-back to the movement. That is why he is reluctant to state that something other than AA77 hit the Pentagon. I can't fault him for that.

a newcomer would have to be pretty goddamn stupid not to deduce what i meant based on the air traffic controllers comments,which i posted.

Some people just don't get it!
I'll see you all tomorrow, TELL YOUR MOM YOU LOVE HER!

Oh, don't go away mad.

"It's time to stop theorizing"

Jon,

Thats a weak statement. Theorizing got us the attention we needed to get this far. Why be afraid to theorize about the offical "theory". I'm not going to back down because it may offend some people. If they can accept what I say, fine. But if they can't at this point of time, I'll just take my "theory" to someone else.

"If I may speak for Jon a moment, I believe he has a keen fear that someday photos or videos could be released showing AA77 hitting the Pentagon, and this would be a severe set-back to the movement."

Yes it would be. The reason for that is the this movement's head strong determination to ignore the other evidence.

Not that I believe AA77 struck the Pentagon, because I certainly do not.

controlled demolition is "sexy"...

thats wshy so many here want to see it.

but its speculation, not fact.....yet.

"Pull-it"?

truthout, what evidence do you believe is our strongest?

worldnetdaily.com had a hit piece about the pentagon missle theory

thats where the pentagon research is heading

saying the truthers all think a missle hit,like cnn did

blitzer played you guys

"controlled demolition is "sexy"...

thats wshy so many here want to see it.

but its speculation, not fact.....yet."

DHS,

Okay, controlled demolition is still a theory up to this point. But so is the towers coming down due to jet fuel. I'll bet the government won't won't back away from thier theory. So why would the truth movement back away from what we believe. That just allows the goverment to dictate the dialouge. Plus, this so called unproven theory has got the powers that be very nervous right now. So we must be doing something right.

truthout doesnt answer questions really. he just likes to steer people away from certain subjects.hes a reverse muckracker.haha

Do you think Hani Hanjour was capable of doing acrobatics with a 757?

[quiet everyone, we must be careful about what we say from now on].

Why all of the sudden so many are worried about how we will be received by the american mainstream. Some people won't believe what we say anyway. But some people will. So just keep talking.

truthie, do you think shills will be tried as "accessories after the fact"? It's quite a serious crime, you know.

Maybe you & Rove can be cellmates.

f.y.i.

Kevin Barrett: Media hide truth: 9/11 was inside job
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/index.php?ntid=83698&ntpid=1
May 12, 2006

...Last Saturday, former Bush administration official Morgan Reynolds drew an enthusiastic capacity crowd to the Wisconsin Historical Society auditorium...

..Not a word in the State Journal. Not a word in The Capital Times...

Why the blackout? Because Reynolds violated the ultimate U.S. media taboo. He charges the Bush administration with orchestrating the 9/11 attacks as a pretext for launching a preplanned "long war" in the Middle East, rolling back our civil liberties, and massively increasing military spending.

When a former Bush administration insider makes such charges, how can the media ignore them? ...

Do you have rock solid proof on what hit the pentagon? NO!
Do you have rock solid proof on how the towers came down? No! If you did contact Steven Jones.
Do you have rock solid proof on what happen to flight 93? NO
If everything in that movie is provable what about the 2.5 terrabytes of able danger info destroyed. What solid proof is left?
The very fact that buildings 1,2 and 7 came down the way they did is as about as solid of proof as we need. Never before in history have building like this collasped like this under similar circumstances. You guys are starting to get off the path.

"truthout doesnt answer questions really. he just likes to steer people away from certain subjects.hes a reverse muckracker.haha"

If I didn't answer questions Chris and anonymous would not dislike my answers.

It's becoming clear that you both are afraid to ask hard questions and address my answers. Instead you violate the forum rules and welcome disinformation agents like Nico Haupt here.

Perhaps you both are hiding something.

Hmmm...steel building are pretty strong: http://www.peaceproject.com/graphics/postcards/CA1-huge.jpg

Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

"Hmmm...steel building are pretty strong: http://www.peaceproject.com/grap...ds/CA1- huge.jpg"

I addressed that picture already.

Why are you still pretending it's a 'steel' building Anonymous?

What are you hiding?

"Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?"

What are you hiding Anonymous?

Anonymous wrote:

"...J. Albenese & J. Gold are much stronger on the detective-type work of 9/11..."

I think, this is a big joke, ROFL.
In the worst 'scenario' they're both media 'activists', whatever that means nowadays.

Here is the complete "detective-type work" and own '9/11 research' of John Albanase (who inflitrated ny911truth.org -the group i co-founded in 2003- with pro 9/11 family member message drivel, forced us to change the message of our banner and other cointel-pro nonsense) :

If i forgot anything, i will bring it in Pt.2

What are you hiding Anonymous?
truthout | 05.13.06 - 1:22 pm

I'm trying to hide my utter contempt for shills like you. I guess I'm not doing such a good job, but it's not easy.

"It's time to stop theorizing"

Jon,

Thats a weak statement."

Without the following statement, "It's time to MAKE them answer our questions", I would agree with you.

Anonymous wrote:

"...J. Albenese & J. Gold are much stronger on the detective-type work of 9/11..."

I think, this is a big joke, ROFL.
In the worst 'scenario' they're both media 'activists', whatever that means nowadays.

Here is the complete "detective-type work" and own '9/11 research' of John Albanase (who inflitrated ny911truth.org -the group i co-founded in 2003- with pro 9/11 family member message drivel, forced us to change the message of our banner and other cointel-pro nonsense) :

If i forgot anything, i will bring it in Pt.2"

In other words, you're attacking the messenger, and not the message.

Nico, is there anything I could do to convince you to step away from the movement?

"Jon hates Nico"

And well he should. Nico Haupt is the worst disinformation agent we should most stay away from.

If I'm wrong, and it wasn't Flight 77, then I will be the first to congratulate everyone who has used that as their main argument to turn people onto the truth.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:08 am | #

the way you word things is so shilly to me... it should be worded...
If I'm wrong, and it wasn't Flight 77, then I will be the first to congratulate everyone who has used it "IN" their argument to turn people onto the truth....

stop acting like everyone that uses the pentagon uses it as their "MAIN" argument...you know its untrue...

"You people need to grow the f*ck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and focus on saving this country and our world from the criminals behind 911!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah, this isn't playtime. We're trying to save the world here. If ever there was a time for unity, it is now.

i dont think nico is a shill... from what i understand there is really only one reason people have a problem with him and thats the plane no plane thing which i dont have a big problem with... i dont think any theory can hurt the movement like everyone thinks...

his other work seem right on to me from what i see him post here...

...and that's coming right out of the mouth of yet another 9/11 truthling, brainwashed by the cointel-pro assets from 911"truth".org.
The 9/11 truthlings did not do any "9/11 research" by themselves.

Welcome in the "Club of Rome" 2006.
The orwellian new school is run by "truthout" and "Jon Gold".

Don't even give them too much credits.
They're no government shills.

This one is:
Conversations with a spook Pt.2
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/SKYKING_open_debate2.txt

9/11 truthlings are not on any payroll. They're not having enough IQ.
They also have no clue, to refine an argument of what actually "disinfo" is.

Instead they're supporting censorship.
But that's why portals like http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/ are getting more successful, coz alleged 9/11 Jehova's :)

The conspiradroid army is run by jon Gold who's backstabbing the very same projects who did the groundwork for controlled demolition.

The absurdity of this campaign cannot be explained by any rational.

What's next on their "cult agenda"?
Truth consultants?

"Do you need help marketing your truth package ? We are Lyres and
Crooks who can tell you how to explain everyone that planes hit the Pentagon, crashed in Shanksville and into the TT.
As optional extras we provide 24 hr internet trolling services, libel and
plagiarism campaigns.
We also provide advice on mergers and alliances and help work out
market share division settlements.
If "truth" is your game - Lyres and Crooks is our name !
Call us now for a free trial consultation !..."

man this script is better than what RAND and RENDON GROUP ever wrote :)

"The conspiradroid army is run by jon Gold who's backstabbing the very same projects who did the groundwork for controlled demolition."

You've been outted. Our good friend Terrence likes to use that word a lot.

RP... I was playing nicely, and if you read my above posts, you'll see that. Everyone else (and you know who you are), I hope you're proud of yourselves.

...this template is occasionally 'eating up' my words. Dunno why.

One line above originally included that "some 9/11 truth activists, especially in NYC act indeed like Jehova's Witnesses"....

...btw, is "truthout" a Marc Ash supporter??

goddamn. the Pentagon always sets off a firestorm.

Jon Gold claims,

"...I was playing nicely.."

That should be another lie :)
You're deceiving the blogger brigade here with your pentagon disinfo in the first place then you're not able to address my argument.

It was you who 'insulted' me first, so please do not wonder that i desperately try to count your brain cells, ROFL :)

No, it's individuals who set off the "firestorm". Not the Pentagon.

Nico... you've been outted.

yes. indeed it is.

It's amazing to me how many individuals who like to start fights show their faces whenever the movement starts to gain momentum.

It's FASCINATING.

personally, i think Nico really believes his own bullshit. not to pile on, but i dont think hes smart enough to be "disinfo", whatever that means to you.Nico, i think you'll enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nbhjA_PuE&search=wtc%20hoax

Nico... you've been outted.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:25 pm | #

how gold??? with an ip or a word he used???

you outted me on the stern board, you moron!!! HAHAHAH!!!! because i posted a link to letsroll... youre a fucking joke to me...

"Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime" is "gaining momentum".

Terrence from 911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com and Jon Gold have one thing in common.

They both never addressed my TV fakery findings.

Interesting. Though 9/11 truthlings claim, it could "hurt the movement", the flagwavers avoid it like the pest as well.

Maybe their X-BOX subconscious mind told them that i cannot be debunked, therefore they focus on the easier targets, the pod crazies around Phil Jayhan and Jim Fetzer, who believe in cartoons and physical violations.

I vote for Bugs Bunny and the dinosaurs of Jurassic Park into the committee of "Chicago Truth" :)

"you outted me on the stern board, you moron!!! HAHAHAH!!!! because i posted a link to letsroll... youre a fucking joke to me..."

As I said, you're no different to me than Nico.

My original assumption was dead on.

And I'm done for now.

Yes, let's UNITE and not just unite, and gather for a huge protest march. On our banners, we shall write... yes, what? UA175 = Hologram? Pentagon hole was 18ft? UA93 landed in Cleveland?

Oops, looks like UNITY may not be all good.

"the only thing that matters is that 9/11 is exposed"

Claiming that there was a pod under UA175 is not exposing 9/11, though.

"not seek to undercut each otherÂ’s efforts"

And if those others are actively engaged in undercutting the Truth?

I agree that there may well be enough shit on the wall very soon for a major reaction.

This, however, includes the dangerous assumption that the Pentagon videos are not released soon, or the hope that when no-plane theories go down they don't take the broader 9/11 issues with them.

Can we unite? Wrong question. Should we unite?

(I didn't read all the messages before posting this)

how did you out him,gold, with an ip or a word???

you can say and call me anything you want..

Jon writes,

"whenever the movement starts to gain momentum"

So you're telling me that an alleged momentum is opposed by anything?

What should that be?

The so called Momemtum was always around.

What counts is a political breakthrough and you 9/11 truthling puppets will make sure that this never happens with your drivel on fake "investigations" and fake "elections".

I can turn your argument around.

Whenever real 9/11 research gained momentum, the spooker alliances started rising again.
When the credibility of 911truth.org and Alex Jones was very low, the Berger-Jones alliance was created, thanks to the mesmerisation effect of Charlie Sheen (where is he now, counting pentagon hollywood dollars??)

Thanks to morons like Gold WW4/5 will take place.

The anti-war movement and
911truth.org did their 'job' for this, too.

"the movement starts to gain momentum"

yes, that's why the US media is controlling the spin...

and they're military controlled..
the next trap are the next rigged elections.
Congratulations to the deceptionist
false hope crew of Gold and Co.

Mr. Haupt merely suffers from a rare form of gatekeeping phobia: he thinks that only the most extreme theories can be assured to be free of any gatekeeping.

Which, of course, is true... but it's a seriously weird position.

Aww hell, I got a server reset on the download. But thanks for hosting it, it's a big file!

comon ppl, surely there is a better use of time than this right? i looekd at the comments last 2 hours ago, and now i come back and all there is is pointless arguing?

take it elsewhere please, i beg you.

Bin Laden 'probably back home in US'
By Mahmood Saberi, Staff Reporter

Dubai: If you ask people where they think Osama Bin Laden was hiding, the answer would inevitably be Afghanistan or Pakistan.

But for some reason, a large number of readers surveyed online believe he is hiding in the United States.

In the Gulf News online survey done on May 7, 30 per cent of the responders said Pakistan was the terrorist's likely hiding place. Only 12 per cent said Afghanistan, while 51 per cent said it was the United States.

http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/City_Talk/10039526.html

Chris,

i really love this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nbhjA_PuE&search=wtc%20hoax

excellent job :)

Whats the name of that new movie that has Michael Ruppert in it? I dont think its out yet.. but I think it was linked here a week or two ago?

Thanks

comon ppl, surely there is a better use of time than this right? i looekd at the comments last 2 hours ago, and now i come back and all there is is pointless arguing?
take it elsewhere please, i beg you.
dz

My point exactly dz, but stated with much less profanity.

Reading the comments from people who've watched the new video... encouraging!

somehow i knew you would Nico. i really hope you got the joke.

"It's the recklessness at the top of our government, not the press' exposure of it, that has truly aided the enemy, put American lives at risk and potentially sabotaged national security," Rich continues. "That's where the buck stops, and if there's to be a witch hunt for traitors, that's where it should begin."

Ex-CIA Director Porter Goss should not be allowed to "escape into retirement unexamined," Rich argues, calling him "so inept that an overzealous witch hunter might mistake him for an al Qaida double agent."

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Frank_Rich_Any_witch_hunt_for_0513.html

"Stop weaseling Anonymous. The steel attached to and supported by the concrete collapsed; the concrete building remained standing. This is data available to all and I check the facts. I caught you misrepresenting the facts and I wonder why.
truthout | 05.13.06 - 3:51 pm | #"

You didnÂ’t catch me misrepresenting anything, so stop being shilly.

That site you linked to above is an advocate for concrete construction. Certainly theyÂ’re going to play-up the concrete being more fire-resistant.

The Windsor Tower in Spain had a reinforced concrete core with waffle slabs supported by internal RC columns and steel beams, with perimeter steel columns, which were unprotected above the 17th Floor level at the time of the fire. But the fire started on the 21st floor, so of course the mostly-steel up there got the brunt of the 24-hour inferno!

And notice the huge crane perched on the roof throughout the fire. Want to bet it was made of steel also.

Able wrote:

"...most extreme theories can be assured to be free of any gatekeeping..."

Aha, is that the reasons why i was promoting for 4 years all scientific evidence on controlled demolition with the "9/11 science and justice alliance", which also influenced and/or cooperated with 911physics.net, WING TV, the Hufschmid/Walter tandem, physorg Prof.Jones, 911scholars and others??

Physical evidence was oppressed, ignored and sabotaged since day 1.
It included also the physical analysis on TV fakery.

The very same saboteurs are trying now to control the activist outcome for the 'new school' CD 'activists.

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
14. Does this not damage the 'movement'?

The meme, that particular research could hurt the movement, has existed since "Day 1" (=the commencement of the 9/11 research movement).
This weak kneed excuse was once used to to sabotage research regarding the alleged attack on the Pentagon, then to the controlled demolition, then to cell phone analysis, then to the video research in general.
Actually during 2002, this meme was planted by Kyle Hence (9/11 Citizen's Watch), a former sailor** closely associated to Jonathan and George Soros.
Hence also coined his most famous quote:
"America isn't ready for the truth yet."

Nothing new, but still some of my favorite pics: http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/soldier5.htm

dont forget One Meridian Plaza in Philadelphia. look it up on Google, check the damage. it still stood.

Hey, if you like video competitions of second hit fakes, why are we not continuing in another window?

here are some videos with nothing in it:

http://tinyurl.com/ld67r
http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/strike-two-6.avi
Longer view from north-east (2.8 MB hi-resolution Codec: DivX3.11a 716x480)

Or :

Hispano amateur cameraman, who didn't see any object hitting south tower,
while filming both towers:
http://www.cruzate.com/nyhell/3.jpg
http://www.cruzate.com/nyhell
"...When I was back in the roof I saw
just before my eyes the explosion on Tower 2.
I didn't see the plane, nor did any of the other
guys on the roof. We speculated for a few
minutes. The only thing we could imagine was
on of the wings of the first plane hitting the
other tower and provoking the explosion, but
that was very unlikely...."

From an amateur camera clip, camera positioned on both towers:
"...we just saw another explosion (TV comment)...."
Person 1 in room: "...Another explosion Kate..."
Kate: "...i know, i know..." (noone of both refered to any plane)
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/day1-tower2-fireball-only.wmv

Don Dahler vs. ABC
Dahler:
...i didn't see any plane going in...that...that's just exploded...i...
Gibson:
We just saw another plane coming in from the side.
Dahler:
You did?? I...that was ..was...out of my view...
Gibson:
That was a second explosion.
You can see the plane come in just from the right hand side of the screen...
(=> Dahler's witness report 'overruled' by a TV monitor)
http://thewebfairy.com/911/haarp/reporter.didnt.see.plane.wmv

http://thewebfairy.com/911/bombs/
Witness: NO second plane, it was a bomb....
FOX clip

Or two different camera operators and sources, same CGI size, but Tower size different
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/2distance_samesize.html

Stallion wrote
"...So it's your contention that the video I posted is an elaborate hoax?.."

Why do i repeat something?
This video does not have a real plane in it, not even a real photorealistic plane.

It's a CGI.

Here i made fun out of another CGI, also never shown live on TV :
http://911closeup.com/nico/bizarro3.htm

Here is a loop of how the CGI was circulated at one point to hide details. Only Spielberg pilots believe that a real plane could do that
http://911closeup.com/nico/nico-closeup.htm

Nico, please stay focused. Let's concentrate on the video I posted for now. It is your contention that it is a hoax?

stallion4,

is that tempo too fast for you?
I already said, that the video contains a CGI, which you call 'hoax'.

Can we move on now and you watch the other videos??

400 comments, and all I got was this lousy thread.

:-:

Are you aware of reports saying that this particular tape has been authenticated by two separate labs? Or are those reports just more lies?

holy christ, this guy nico is such a moron i am speechless...

I have a new catagory:

"Termers"

These people create "terms" like "planehugger" which creates the allusion that the person who created the term actually knows the 'truth'.

Unfortunately, these people usually are attempting to create a reality that simply does not exist.

Thank God that we are finally seeing an end to the fictitious "termers" who seem to define 911 reality. Its over. They had their time, and now must think seriously about the 'career' they have chosen.

Today we take care of all family business.

Here's some questions for "Nico"

1 - Do you think that labor unions 'like' this president. (chuckle)

2 - What significance does June 1st have for you? Its a deadline. Can you guess what for?

No plane in it at beginning,
alleged plane came from nowhere:
http://www.file83.com/yeo/UA_175_thin_air.wmv

i'm waiting, slowhead.....

Nico, I repeat, are you aware of the reports that the tape has been authenticated? What are your thoughts about those reports?

c'mon slowheads,

is this a "chatter brigade" or cyber slug?

next one:
http://tinyurl.com/nhuu6
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2137200753344880184&q=9%2F11&pl=...
tower 1 on fire only filmed by amateur and his buddy,
then unfortunately shortly edited and started filming again...

"...oh my god..."
(amateur camera continues filming after 2nd attack on ST,
but no comment on any plane....!!)

dialogue of two dudes continues:

guy 1:
"...that must have been a fukin terrorist attack.
Probably that just explode..
that doesn't make any sense, that has...

interrupted by guy 2:
"...How did THAT ONE just catch on fire man?...
see this stuff is falling out...

Do i get my own chat window now or do you prefer the censorship button???

Where are the answers to these videos????

You want some contradictive photos, too??? I will spam more, if the slowheads do not analyse video by video....

or will the few spooks who are here in the template as well, jam my connection or ban my IP???

Again, Nico is not a moron. Nico is a disinformation agent.

Jesus, how obvious can it be?

Ask Nico how he supports himself in NYC. What is his job.

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE STILL ENGAGE HIM? STOP FEEDING HIM.

No - this is not just the rambling of some board member. Nico is known. Jesus people. Where does he live? How does he afford broadband? How does he manage to always be in teh center of every 911 discussion?

There should be only ONE response to ANY post by Nico:

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT. IT HAS BEEN VERIFIED THAT NICO IS AN ORGANIZED DISRUPTOR AND DISINFORMATION AGENT. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU ENGAGE THIS POSTER.

now - if everyone could just cut and paste this response to any and all posts by Nico we can be done with him.

here's a term:
it's called "questions"

i've got a bunch (kinda like park places for the mcdonald's monopoly game), but i've got no boardwalks..

the guys who have all the boardwalks refuse to trade with me.

so as long as they keep theboardwalks, i'm stuck here with my park places.

neither of us win, but in essence I lose because the guys holding the boardwalks arent interested in winning, they're interested in the game never being won by anybody.

(as you have figured out, the "boardwalks" are the "answers")

so how about instead of preaching our gospels to each other, let's start questioning the official one.

I don't care if there were planes or not.

What I do care about is the evidence suggesting that the 9/11 Story as we've been told, is an elaborate lie that has been used to push agendas without hestitation or an opposition, and a new type of patriotism that states "fall in line or you are antiamerican".

wtf is going on. this is one of the longest threads ever and 90% of it is garbage.

Nico: until you can put together a package of your work it is not going to help anyone in here by your pieces of information dropping.

We all disagree on many things, but what we do agree on is that 9/11 is myth concocted by liars and sold to the people as truth.

"400 comments, and all I got was this lousy thread."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Mary, relax.

robbie martin,

you have more than your standard phrases?
Maybe you wanna participate in analysing videos with "planes"?

That's what you so scared about it, isn't it?

Watching Controlled demolitions 24/7 probably made you dizzy and demolished your braincells ?

So, let's open some window clips...

Still waiting, Nico.

Not only has a very significant film been released, but it appears that the Nico-brigade of spam artists are exposed.

Not a bad day on balance.

DHS wrote
"...until you can put together a package of your work i..."

It's packaged together here:

http://www.911closeup.nico

DHS is using the Orwellian 'Evasion Technique', how 9/11 truthlings try to shut down any debate
on the truth.

If we send you general common sense
musings
like Holmgren's article "Why they didn't use planes", you will complain that
it's
speculative, and not backed up with hard sources. If I send you Holmgren's
article
"WTC forensics" explaining briefly the physics of why it's impossible
for
the WTC damage to have been caused by planes, you say that it's "not
convincing" "not detailed enough". If I send you Morgan Reynold's article which
goes
into greater detail, you'll complain that it's "reams of information"
which
you don't have time to read.

This is an ever present evasion technique. When I write brief forensics
physics notes proving that no plane hit the pentagon, people want to
argue
the toss on fine details. But when I point out that all of those fine
details were covered in the most detailed fashion in my 50 page
article,
there are complaints that it's long and unwieldly.

"You should make your arguments simpler, so that people can understand
them"

"And you should make them more detailed, so they provide full proof"

"And you should back everything up with full sourcing"

"And you shouldn't inundate people with reams of information"

"You should make it longer , so that it covers every counter argument,
and
shorter, so that people have time to read it, and more detailed, so
that we
know you've done your work properly and less detailed, because we just
want
the gist of it, and sophisticated and thorough so that it will be
credible
for peer review by experts, and simpler so that every one can
understand
it

All due respect to John Albenese for making this film, and to Nick Levis for obviously helping him make it. It is a film I will promote, and I thank you for making it.

stallion writes:

"...Still waiting, Nico.
stallion4..."

He's using the most popular spooker trick. Implying that i didn't answer anything.

I already said, that his video he's asking about, contains a CGI.

stallion is inspired by shill skyking@

c'mon do i get my own chat window now.
This is still slower than IRC -:)

Stallion, either you are part of a good-cop bad-cop routine, or you do not have the sense to know that Nico is a disinformation artist.

Fake planes?

You are debating Nico on fake planes?

No, you must be the good-cop in this because it is simply too hard to believe that anyone would dignify this clown with a debate/

But, the board has been successfully disrupted, right?

Able is doing the hologram dance again
by writing "For anyone wondering, the *third* most stupid theory is holograms. I don't keep a list after that"

He wants to confuse the issue, which doesn't even work out anymore and is an old school trick since Reynolds and Walters support.

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
27. So you're telling me a hologram hit the towers?

You didn't read carefully enough. Start from above again.
We're talking about vector-keyed CGIs (Computer generated Imagery), which aren't 'airborne', but born on computers ('capsules'), 3D programs ('animations') and video editor software ('clips').
There are still attempts to confuse these findings of digital manipulation by performing a "holography dance".

There were singular and wrong conclusions during 2002/03, while the TV fakery research was already ongoing at the same time as well, though with less intensity or as a 'competition'.

However, all the newest conclusions have been repeatedly confused by saboteurs or 'strugglers' from outside to muddy down the waters.

Just in case there's somebody out there who doesn't download the video clips Haupt posted but who may think there's some no-plane point to them:

They show the second hit with the tower being BETWEEN the camera and UA175.

Anyone excited about Chicago?

Anyone willing to do an "action"? Anyone want to figure out an "action" we can partake in while in Chicago? I believe it was "huh" who suggested we rally at a media outlet within Chicago.

c'mon "blogger brigade", i am waiting.

Let's start with Don Dahler.
Why didn't he see or hear any plane??