I'm not sure, but this might be the ex-cio of Intel and Times "Man of the Year" for 1997:

http://www.time.com/time/special/moy/grove/opener1.html

The Evil Is In Our Government

Paul Craig Roberts | May 29 2006

Is the Bush Regime a state sponsor of terrorism?

A powerful case can be made that it is.

In the past three years the Bush Regime has murdered tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and an unknown number of Afghan ones.

US Marines, our finest and proudest military force, are under criminal investigation for breaking into Iraqi homes and murdering entire families. In an unprecedented event, General Michael Hagee, the Marine Corps commandant, has found it necessary to fly to Iraq to tell our best-trained troops to stop murdering civilians.
WasnÂ’t it evil for the US to bomb Iraq for a decade and to embargo medicines for children? When US Secretary of State M. Albright was asked if she thought an embargo that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was justified, she replied, "yes."

The former terrible tyrant ruler of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, is on trial for killing 150 people. The US government murdered 500,000 Iraqi children prior to BushÂ’s invasion. When the US government murders people, whether Serbs, Branch Davidians at Waco, or Iraqi women and children, it is "collateral damage." But we put Saddam Hussein on trial for putting down rebellions.

Gentle reader, do you believe that the Bush Regime will not shoot you down in the streets if you have a rebellion?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/290506Evil.htm

A Construction Drill Provides A Martial Law Drill
Capitol shutdown highlights manic panic of post-9/11 mentality

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.tv | May 29 2006

The over hyped false alarm of a construction drill that caused a mass panic over rumors of gunshots in the Rayburn Building on Friday and the way in which it was reported by the servile media was a means of indoctrinating Americans to the procedure of martial law lock down of a major city.

Fox News were salivating over the non-incident to the same degree that they rubbed their hands over the Pentagon tape flop. After two and a half hours of continual coverage and with it becoming blindingly obvious that there was no shooting incident, Fox told its viewers that they were seeing "our government work and work the way it is supposed to do," despite the fact that the lurking enemy to which our omnipotent government was responding was nothing more than a work tool.

As News Hounds pointed out, Fox was not going let an opportunity to showcase the police state go to waste.

"Why did Fox News stick with blanket coverage so long, preempting its regular coverage? Fox News loves pictures of people in uniforms with guns. Such images reinforce the perception that Americans live in constant danger and must keep the growing police state atmosphere in place regardless of the cost in terms of civil liberties. In other words, "See what could happen, America? This is why the government needs to spy on you, track your phone calls, and who knows what else. We're here to protect you."

Fox's Catherine Herridge even went so far as to say that the whole incident was a learning curve for terrorists to judge police reaction. The pounding fear-driven specter of terrorists, alarm and panic was carefully interwoven into what otherwise was a complete non-event.

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2006/290506constructiondrill.htm

go check out the Arkin WashPo blog to see a disinfo agent get his ass kicked. thanks for the tip off on who he was benthere.

Does anyone know if this conversation is printed?

Sarah McClendon: "George Bush, what will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?"

George H. W. Bush: "Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us."

I can't view or download either mp3 or wmv

Some real gems embedded in that Grove recording re: the financial motives & rewards of those involved. Complicated, but so was 9/11. Must be listened to several times. A written transcript would be most helpful.

If what Grove says is true, and I am sure it is, 9/11 was the biggest heist in all of human history. Trillions of $$$$. What amazes me is the criminality of the people involved. It is unparalleled. I have trouble getting my mind around it. And "truther??" wonders why I want these thugs hung. I not only want them hung, I want there gene pools destroyed.

both links are down now. Internet censorship? I first downloaded the mp3 around 10:30AM and that was incomplete at only 15min. then I was streaming and it cut out after I was listening to the 30 min mark of the 2 hour deal. If anyone knows how to save a wma or wmv stream this would help too so we can get some links. get this on bit torrent or file sharing networks fast. He sounds like the most dangerous man to come forward since 9/11 happened. Very impressive what I heard so far. I need the rest of this. Get this thing spread.

Just listen to it.

MMC AIG Kroll Convar Hauer... Hmm, seems to sum up with parts I know before.

I'm unable to download the mp3, any other link?

This link worked fine for me:

http://www.meria.net/Meria_Ipod.mp3

Former Iraqi Minister Says U.S. Forced People To Testify Against Saddam

Why is it so hard to find witnesses to testify against the monster Saddam Hussein? Shouldn't they be lining up for the opportunity?

The links here didn't work for me either, but as I said above, go here: http://www.Meria.net then click "Download Meria's PodCast tab" just below her picture, and it will play for you or download too.

I was able to stream it no problem. This is KILLER!! All American's MUST hear this audio. There has been nothing like it since 9/11 happened. We are the new media. It is our responsibility to get the truth out. DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET THIS AUDIO OUT THERE! I also noticed he gave "Loose Change" a huge plug. He called it the best 9/11 video out there. Hats off to Dylan and friends!

Sorry to the people having trouble with the downloads, I'd put it on 911podcasts to make it easier, however we are out of bandwidth for the month.

We've push 2 Terabytes of data out from 911podcasts this month!!
somebigguy | Homepage | 05.29.06 - 12:22 pm | #
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No shit! Good Job!

I was able to stream it no problem. This is KILLER!! All American's MUST hear this audio. There has been nothing like it since 9/11 happened. We are the new media. It is our responsibility to get the truth out. DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET THIS AUDIO OUT THERE! I also noticed he gave "Loose Change" a huge plug. He called it the best 9/11 video out there. Hats off to Dylan and friends!
maddog | Homepage | 05.29.06 - 12:44 pm | #

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I'm about half way done. I agree it's KILLER. If you really want to know who was behind 9-11, this guys got the info. We need a transcript.

sbg, can you email me a link (or the file itself) so I can host it on 911source.org? I have plenty of bandwidth to spare right now.

oh yeah, email: ben[at]911source[dot]org

Perhaps this should go under the "recent top headlines" on the main www.911blogger.com page.

Regarding the monster Saddam Hussein, Paul Craig Roberts just wrote:

"Iraq attacked Kuwait a decade and a half ago, apparently after securing permission from the U.S. ambassador."

Think on that. Also think of the Kuwait Ambassador's daughter who was trained professionally to cry on National Television to tell the world that Iraqis were taking babies out of 500 incubators, and throwing them onto hospital floors.

The Bush Family, and their associates must be tried for their crimes... crimes going back 80 or so years.

Convar Kroll MMC research info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3717&hl=

Those incubators didn't exist...

In regards to what this Whistleblower is reporting... I think we should set up a team of individuals willing to try and verify everything being said.

Does anyone know if this is just an excerpt from that full ~120 MB podcast?

I'm not having any luck with the 21 MB mp3 linked here, but I can cut an excerpt from the full podcast.

http://www.novell.com/news/leadstories/2002/jun12/

Is somebody willing to comprise a list of names?

I know Spitzer was mentioned...

I uploaded the file for you to download here:
http://www.easy-sharing.com/468360/Meria Heller Show - 911 Whistleblower Richard Andrew Grove - May28-06.mp3.html
And I'm uploading the file to another location as we speak.

Hey... for ALL you Philly folk wanting to get something together in this area, there is a woman who contacted me who has A LOT of energy, and who wants to get something started... Yizzo, Chris, Mike Jr. etc...

gallianoj@msn.com

I told her I would help out, but I'm so busy, etc... say hi, and offer your help.

It only took me 45 seconds to download the first one, when it starts getting swarmed, it'll probably average about 5 to 10 minutes per DL.
I plan on having 3 locations to download the file by later this afternoon.

Yeah, we definitely need a transcript.

"There are 911 Truth Conferences and Symposiums going on in Chicago and LA this summer...

Jean Galliano is interested in creating a 'Philadelphia 911 Truth Conference'. A committee is currently being established to organize the event. Please contact Jean if interested in being part of the committee... And also if you are a Speaker, Writer,  Poet, Artist, Organizer, Activist ...Or whatever special talent you have to offer that will bring this event into being, Jean wants to hear from you. thanks"

I'm gonna contact Meria to see if they have one.

I mean, it's not like Philadelphia was the city the Constitution was signed or anything. No historical precedent here...

I uploaded the file for you to download here:
http://www.easy-sharing.com/468360/Meria Heller Show - 911 Whistleblower Richard Andrew Grove - May28-06.mp3.html
And I'm uploading the file to another location as we speak.
Cloak & Swagger | Homepage | 05.29.06 - 1:24 pm | #

Thanks C&S.

Hey, mirrored here as well:

http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=101

I'm only a little more than half done, but what strikes me about this is the same thing that struck me about Ruppert's book: there are a LOT of people making money by contributing NOTHING to the world, just moving money from one account to another and working for fronts for the CIA and other government agencies, thousands of little Eichmanns with no conscience who go home to their suburban homes in Alexandria or Silver Springs without a hint of conscience for the empty criminality of their lives.

It doesn't help his case in my eyes that he repeats the abiotic oil theory, which is right up there with the Rapture and magnet therapy in terms of scientific credibility.

and before the money becomes worthless, they will own all of the gold, oil etc . .

google while you listen to this. everything he talks about checks out to some degree.

For you foreigners out there, both the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were written and signed in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/images/trumbull.jpg

FAIRY TALE FROM HELL

Sounds intriguing so far.

Another mirror: http://www.911source.org/audio/interviews/meria_heller/richard_andrew_grove

so according to this guy, todd beamer was a real person. This guy is a little too good. I personally am skeptical. All of this stuff about gov't fraud we knew already. This is really nothing new. I'm suspicious.....

something smells fishy with this guy.
just my humble opinion

The words this guys uses are too big. he's in love with his impressive intellect.

Well if you want you can e-mail him.
richard@renaissance-interventures.com

I'd like to know if he is going to speak at the 9-11 thing comming up in L.A.

James Redford...

Michael,

Someone showed me a comment you made regarding "population control", and I wanted you to clarify for me your position on it, if you have one. Is it something you condone, something you are against,
etc...

Thanks,

Jon

His response...

I have clarified this position a hundred times, both in public speech and in writing. I refuse to do it again. Just look at the web site. I have it written out in several places.

I do not respond well to interrogations. What I say is that the elites are certainly planning on it. I have never, EVER advocated it.

I do advocate slowing the rate of population growth.

My response...

Mike, I knew what your opinions are. Honestly, I couldn't find it.

Thanks,

Jon

And that's the last time I "defend" Ruppert.

May 29, 2006

The Silence of the Western Lambs

YayaCanada

The Guardian is running an article today that is highly critical of the boycott against Palestinians for having elected Hamas:

"Punishment of Palestinians will create a crucible of trouble for the world - - George Bush's policies helped build Hamas; now a dangerous linkage with Iran and Iraq threatens a mega-crisis."

While I greatly appreciate the sentiment on behalf of the Palestinians, I take issue with the quote from Mearsheimer and Walt that but for the Israel Lobby there might not have been a war in Iraq.

For one thing, this writer forgets completely about Afghanistan and 9-11 which gave the US its pretext to begin its long planned program to ultimately control the Middle East oil supply.

It's not just about Israel; not by a long shot. Israel is just another layer to the overall plan, and the Palestinians are merely cogs in a very big wheel. The whole idea comes straight from big oil, and the multi-national money grubbers, who aren't all Jewish by a long shot.

The fundies are as big a push as anybody. They want to build lucrative religious theme parks in Israel. Some of them are even hustling investments to drill for holy oil in Israel.

I'm not the first to say this, but it seems to have to be repeated: the woes of the world come down to one thing; money, the lack of it for the majority of the world's population, and the insatiable lust for it by some who don't mind getting it at the point of a gun.

Plunder. Booty. Spoils. Barbarianism all round. That's what it's about. For Israel, the wealth is in the land and in the water owned by other countries. Give me land lots of land under starry skies above (we'll even tolerate the star of Bethlehem if we have to.)

It doesn't matter whether it's the Jewish or Christian or Islamic. They all have their criminal element who don't mind wading in blood to dominate the earth's resources.

There's money in cheap goods produced in sweat shops in tiny little countries that can't defend themselves. There's money in aggressively marketing those goods to other people who don't need them and can't really afford them. There's money in the natural resources of countries that can't defend themselves. There's money in the weaponry needed to wage the bloody wars.

And for all the talk of "Peak Oil" there's going to be money in Texas tea for quite a while to come, only it will be Afghani tea, Iraqi tea, Colombian tea, Iranian tea, and even Venezuelan tea if Chavez can't get a Latin American union together that's strong enough to hold its own.

It seems that Shakespeare was right; that we are all merely players on a stage, and that periodically the roles are switched. If it isn't Hitler it's some other evil force. The former underdogs take on the role of oppressor, and vice versa.

All during the period of apparent lull after WWII there has not been peace on earth. There would have been war with Russia had their German scientists not have been smarter than America's German scientists; instead the conversation at cocktail parties was about how big our personal fallout shelters should be, and whether we should buy guns to keep out the people who hadn't built one of their own.

Fear of Communism, the Red Menace, was what the people were sold. Now its fear of Islam and terrorism [which not incidentally has killed far fewer innocent people than the fake war against it]. But money and power, not democratization, are at the root of it, as always. The West doesn't care what government is installed "over there", so long as it does business the western way.

There was Korea, there was Cuba [America had lost its steamy brothel to a socialist], there was Viet Nam, the Americas, the Balkans, the Falkans, India and Pakistan having at one another - the list is endless - but most of thought of it as "peace time".

The only time we in the west think there is war is when we're involved in it - noticeably, that is, since a lot has gone down covertly while we've been shopping, watching TV and drinking beer.

Well, we're noticing it now, much too late. And we're going to notice it more. We can hope that the PNAC's plan is so hopelessly flawed it disintegrates. They can't possibly have thought of every contingency, although I think they did know that Iraq and Afghanistan would be quagmires. In fact I think they are happy to create nothing but quagmires in the oil countries. It will prevent them from selling oil.

Only the people, en masse and in a sustained effort can keep down the madness, by refusing to be the cannon fodder, refusing to buy the goods, refusing to do the dirty work. But they need to be willing to be jailed, beaten, and possibly killed, because that's what our "democratic" governments do to their people who seriously exercise their right to dissent.

The saber rattlers constantly speak of God and freedom, but they are the very antithesis. They are the ones who hate freedom, not the "terrorists", because it crimps their style. They know that what they are doing is wrong, immoral, undemocratic, evil - and they expect the people to rebel. They are preparing right now for mass rebellion.

So, what's on TV tonight? Anything good? Hey, I'm out of chips and cola. Better get over to Wal Mart and stock up.

Hitler=W. Bush (or Cheney depending how you look at it)
Reichstag fire=diebold and 9/11
NSDAP=PNAC
Enabling act=patriot act
Phony war=war on terrorism
Motherland security=homeland security
IBM=NSA
Nazi propaganda=CNN/FOX/UNCLE SAM
Hitler youth organization=no child left behind
Dissidents dubbed as terrorists="if you're not with us, you are against us"
Tortured Jews=torturing muslim/islam
WWII=WWIII???

Just so freaking uncanny...

"Hitler youth organization=no child left behind"

I don't know if that's a good comparison. Wasn't Hitler Youth an organization you joined, etc... vs. "no Child Left Behind" is more of a legislative thing?

Also, I thought the Nazis had "Homeland Security"? I could be wrong...

Here's a movie about Operation Paperclip.

Jon

Oops you're right, I screwed up. Homeland security were split in two ways between germany and soviet. Nazi germany was the fatherland. Soviet under stalin was the motherland.

Yeah both hitlers youth organization and no child left behind has to do with children in order to better their lives.

Jon, any idea of if, or when scans of the Sunday Times Herald are going to be available online? in particularly, this site.

Good Guardian article. Could you provide a link to it?

"Jon, any idea of if, or when scans of the Sunday Times Herald are going to be available online? in particularly, this site."

Having problems with that at the moment.

Well, Jon Gold, if your above post was meant to serve as a defense of Michael Ruppert then it is a quite ironic post by you, since it only serves to condemn Michael Ruppert's character even further, as now Michael Ruppert demonstrates himself to be a barefaced liar.

Below are Michael Ruppert's own written words, from March 2004:

"I advocate an immediate convening of political, economic, spiritual and scientific leaders from all nations to address the issue of Peak Oil (and Gas) and its immediate implications for economic collapse, massive famine and climate destruction (partially as a result of reversion to coal plants which accelerate global warming). This would, scientifically speaking, include immediate steps to arrive at a crash program – agreed to by all nations and in accordance with the highest spiritual and ethical principles – to stop global population growth and to arrive at the best possible and most ethical program of population reduction as a painful choice made by all of humanity."--Michael C. Ruppert, in a March 2004 email to David McGowan, "Ruppert Responds!," David McGowan, Center for an Informed America, Newsletter #54, March 18, 2004 http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr54.html

Notice Michael Ruppert's self-contradictory answer to your question "Someone showed me a comment you made regarding 'population control', and I wanted you to clarify for me your position on it, if you have one. Is it something you condone, something you are against, etc...":

""
I have clarified this position a hundred times, both in public speech and in writing. I refuse to do it again. Just look at the web site. I have it written out in several places.

I do not respond well to interrogations. What I say is that the elites are certainly planning on it. I have never, EVER advocated it.

I do advocate slowing the rate of population growth.
""

Michael Ruppert has "never, EVER advocated" population control--rather, he "advocate[s] slowing the rate of population growth."

Notice also that Michael Ruppert doesn't deny that the March 2004 quote of him is accurate, but instead just gives a self-contradictory reply to your question on "population control." So not only is Michael Ruppert outright lying about having "never, EVER advocated" population control, he contradicts himself on that very subject in his own reply to you.

farts also contain methane - it is a simple hydrocarbon - crude oil is a witch's brew of many complex organic molecules.

it doesn't bubble up from the center of the earth.

if it did, then instead of running out of oil, we'd start running out dry land.

whatever it is and wherever it comes from, we need to stop burning it.

I have scans of the paper, but I can't crop them or size them, and dz isn't around.

This is the guy who should be in charge of investigating the events of 911.
To bad we don't have anyone in our government with the honesty or courage to do this type of investigating.
Also it shows the importance of having multiple copies your research for security purposes.

Hitler=W. Bush (or Cheney depending how you look at it)
Reichstag fire=diebold and 9/11
NSDAP=PNAC
Enabling act=patriot act
Phony war=war on terrorism
Motherland security=homeland security
IBM=NSA
Nazi propaganda=CNN/FOX/UNCLE SAM
Hitler youth organization=no child left behind
Dissidents dubbed as terrorists="if you're not with us, you are against us"
Tortured Jews=torturing muslim/islam
WWII=WWIII???

Just so freaking uncanny...
geggy | 05.29.06 - 6:42 pm | #
post of the month.

James...

What I say is that the elites are certainly planning on it. I have never, EVER advocated it.

I do advocate slowing the rate of population growth.

He's telling us that the elites are planning on population control, and by elites I'm assuming he means people like the Bush's, etc... They have people like Dr. Eric R. Planka give speeches on it that receive standing ovations.

Michael is calling for "slowing the rate of population growth". Which means he's for laws like the ones that exist in China.

There's a difference between setting laws that only allow 1 child per family, and murdering off millions of people.

PNAC Co-Founder Endorses Dems in '08
by BooMan
Sun May 28th, 2006 at 08:31:22 PM EST

Robert Kagan is the co-founder with William Kristol of the Project for the New American Century and he thinks it will be better for America if the Democrats win the 2008 contest for the Presidency. If that surprises you, you haven't been paying attention. As far as the PNAC crew goes, power isn't about being a Republican or a Democrat, it's about owning both parties. And, fortunately for us, Kagan is spectacularly upfront about this. To understand his mindset it's important to understand that he doesn't divide the world up into left and right, but into interventionist and isolationist. Kagan has representatives in the Democratic Party. They can loosely be described as the members of the Democratic Leadership Council and the writers at The New Republic. These opinion leaders consider America to be the 'indispensable nation' and they consider it vital to world peace and security that America maintain its role in the world. For example, it's critical that we maintain military bases from Okinawa, to Tashkent, to Kandahar, to Baku, to Turkey, Baghdad, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Dubai, to Eritrea. From the outside, it looks like they benefit from their association or investments in the companies that do business in those countries, or the companies that arm our military to defend themselves in foreign lands and equip our home defenses to protect against the resentment our occupations cause. But, from the inside, it's more complicated. It's about the evils of communism, or fascism, or Islamo-fascism, or whatever is required as a rhetorical tool next week.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/5/28/203122/323

Somewhere in the depths of his mind, Kagan probably is asking the same questions we are asking. Isn't is possible that we could erode the theat of terrorism more effectively, and at an acceptable cost in treasure, by finding a new consensus within the community of representative democracies and advanced economies of the world? One that isn't opposed by everyone but the bribed and the coerced? One that shares the burdens of collective security, as well as the limitations of international organizations and efforts? One that might limit the scope of American power but also its attendant blowback?

It must have occurred to Kagan, and he knows it is occurring to a growing majority of the left. Kagan throws this heretical thinking aside and states:

...the imperatives of U.S. foreign policy are what they are. The diffuse threats of the post-Cold War world simply don't unite and energize our European allies as the Soviet Union did...
In other words, this Zarqawi/Zawahiri/bin-Laden bullshit just isn't working with the left, and if we don't give them a Hillary or Biden or Lieberman to rally around, they'll leave the reservation for good.
Better to avoid permanently losing one of two American power parties than for the GOP to win in '08.

What better example could we have of what's at stake, who's on our side, and how big our potential for positive change really is.

And incidentally, I think people should be allowed to have as many kids as they want. I think wealth needs to be distributed more evenly. There shouldn't be a 1% who controls everything.

CIA Veteran Ray McGovern

Alex is joined by former CIA Analyst and Presidential Daily Intel Briefer Ray McGovern to discuss the Neo-Con Agenda, his recent confrontation with Rumsfeld, and his upcoming appearance at the American Scholars Symposium.

this is from the Alex Jones show, but its for members only. if anyone heard it, please let me know if anything noteworthy was said. thanks.

.

oooh, Ray was on Alex's show? Anyone have that?

Note about 'population control',
allow all women/girls to be educated and give every woman access to free birth control.
Of course, that would inflame the Male religeous types, and as the thought of educated women seems to frighten/intimidate so many men, that sadly it won't happen yet.
But, it is a really simple solution to the whole population growth thing...
be well

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/fullpage.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/part1.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/part2.jpg

HA! There were two 9/11 Truth articles in the Times Herald this Sunday...

Sept. 11 Skeptics Growing In Numbers

That's 3 9/11 Truth related articles in one week, in one paper... that's pretty good coverage.

Where's GW been? dz? Is it a holiday weekend or something?

Jon Gold, you wrote:

""
James...

What I say is that the elites are certainly planning on it. I have never, EVER advocated it.

I do advocate slowing the rate of population growth.

He's telling us that the elites are planning on population control, and by elites I'm assuming he means people like the Bush's, etc... They have people like Dr. Eric R. Planka give speeches on it that receive standing ovations.

Michael is calling for "slowing the rate of population growth". Which means he's for laws like the ones that exist in China.

There's a difference between setting laws that only allow 1 child per family, and murdering off millions of people.
""

So you agree that Michael Ruppert does indeed advocate population control (as you say, in the manner of China), despite his self-contradictory denial of that in his reply to you.

But despite Michael Ruppert's barefaced lying in denying that he has ever advocated population control, it is good to see that he acknowledges that the globalist ruling elite are planning on it.

You mention Dr. Eric R. Pianka. I have written the below article on him:

"Forrest Mims did not Misrepresent Prof. Eric Pianka's Statements," James Redford, expanded edition, April 13, 2006:

http://www.geocities.com/tetrahedronomega/pianka-mims.html

See also:

"Top Scientist Advocates Mass Culling 90% Of Human Population--Fellow professors and scientists applause and roar approval at elite's twisted and genocidal population control agenda," Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones, PrisonPlanet.com, April 3, 2006:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm

"Burnet's solution: The plan to poison S-E Asia," Brendan Nicholson, The Age, March 10, 2002:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/03/09/1015365752044.html

"Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide," Joseph Brewda, December 8, 1995:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050306082354/http://www.schillerinstitute.o...

"National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests," National Security Council, Washington, D.C., April 24, 1974:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050306091656/www.africa2000.com/SNDX/nssm20...

[End.]

He doesn't advocate murdering off millions in order to solve the population problems.

Excellent JON.. a newspaper in the USA! The doctrinal system are fraying at the seams.

And thank for not redirecting us to your BBS (where you can log our IP numbers!) in order to see some info.

Re: RICHARD ANDREW GROVE

I checked some of the names he mentioned at 28min38secs ..

Richard George Bruehert
Kathryn Blair Lee, 55
Gary Edward Lasko, 49
Kenneth Frederick Rice III, 34
John G. Ueltzhoeffer, 36

CFR executive he did not want to mention 29min28sec could be Jeffrey W. Greenberg ... or maybe he is the CFR contact from 32min33sec
his father is a fraudster...
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Maurice%20R.%20Greenberg

does renaissance-interventures.com work for anyone? is this guy phony? did anyone try that number?

WHOIS returned this:

Registrant:
Renaissance Interventures
Richard Grove
34 Jefferson St Box K
Manchester, CT 06040
US
Email: richard@renaissance-interventures.com

Registrar Name....: REGISTER.COM, INC.
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: www.register.com

Domain Name: renaissance-interventures.com

Created on..............: Sun, Feb 23, 2003
Expires on..............: Fri, Feb 23, 2007
Record last updated on..: Fri, Feb 24, 2006

Administrative Contact:
Renaissance Interventures
Richard Grove
34 Jefferson St Box K
Manchester, CT 06040
US
Phone: 917-779-9215
Email: richard@renaissance-interventures.com

Technical Contact:
Renaissance Interventures
Richard Grove
34 Jefferson St Box K
Manchester, CT 06040
US
Phone: 917-779-9215
Email: richard@renaissance-interventures.com

jesus fucking christ.

it all checks out!

Iran Contra fraud:
(MadCow: 911 = IranContra people!)

34min40sec

http://www.stewartintlairport.com/history.html

39min30sec

http://www.google.com/search?q=wisner+frank+oss

THE OLD BOYS

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971066019

37m15s & 41m46s http://www.google.com/search?q=kroll+ceo+michael

Michael G. Cherkasky

42m11s

http://www.google.com/search?q=robert+morgenthal+giuliani+spitzer+freeh+...

47min44sec

http://www.google.com/search?q=panacya+%22baware

His angle is that CORPORATIONS did 911.

this book then needs reading:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0313318042&id=LdHV703wuRMC&pg=PA17...

website doesn't work....

http://www.renaissance-interventures.com/

Redford, give it up already. Ruppert knows it is going to be difficult to feed 6.5 billion plus people with no natural gas fertilizers, oil based pesticides, and fossil fuels to run irrigation and trucks. He is coming to grips with this and, yes, did advocate something should be done about the oncoming problem, but since people like you are so quick to label those who talk about resource depletion as Nazis or whatever, he has made the decision to drive home the point that elites are probably planning for population control. So, it is something that should at least be openly discussed. Here is a great recent article from Richard Heinberg on this issue. Heinberg is the biggest envionmental hippy out there, and certainly no tool of the New World Order types.
"Population, Resources and Human idealism."
http://www.energybulletin.net/15480.html

Redford, look at this. Can this go on forever?
http://www.eroei.com/solutions/population.html

Anyway, if you want to argue about Peak Oil, go to The Oil Drum. You will get some education about the scientific basics from some brilliant academics who have no ties to the global corporate elites.
http://www.theoildrum.com/
Why Peak Oil Is About Now
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/3/1/3402/63420
What is Peak Oil
http://www.peakoil.com/sample/
Production Plateau Continues
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/4/15/72931/5527

Now, let's get back to 9/11 Truth and figuring out if this Grove guy has any credibility.

Sorry, but you Americans are complete nutters.

Why not just check the message, instead of trying to split hairs about the messenger?

There is enough there.. But to call the people involved and fax some info to a DC.. cant be done in USA

@jon gold: way to go dude! Ya said that paper can reach 750,000? If just 10 people start questioning 9/11 because of that it's a good job. Now imagine if newspapers in every state started doing that kind of coverage...if only the days of Woodward and Bernstein were still here. Sadly from Gary Webb to other "controversial" investigations, its all a big MSM no no.

What does this solve? How does this provide tools FOR a climate to build of a revolution WITH purpose instead of an all out riot?

www.laroucehpac.com

I listened to 33 minutes (the file did not download completely for some reason). I concur with the above posters in that the recording sheds no new light on anything related to 9/11 in general. I like his attitude, but he never says anything pointedly factual, and third party verifiable. I am on board with the assertions, but it takes more than an assertion to win the argument.

There was *one* item he mentioned that I was not aware of, and that is the gold stored in the basement ot the WTC. Is that true? One wonders how so much of it could have been removed w/o detection?

Actually, his basic premise is correct - corporations did 911. And so much else. Just Google "military-industrial complex". Then think of Pro Bono? You can even Google it together: "military-industrial complex" "Pro Bono".

As for micro:s comments, I recognized him before I saw the signature. I read the same in Swedish by him, after I made him aware of this. Perhaps he is right, that this is a case of disinformation from the highest places. This possibility is why I didn't contact the guy, and because any such contact will be monitored. But consider that good disinformation must either stay close to the truth - as I think this does, irrespective of if it's honest or not - or be so far from the truth that we are incapable of believing that anyone could lie so much.

Remember that the truth often hides itself, being stranger than fiction and thus "impossible" to believe.

Sorry, the last Google should of course have been "military-industrial complex" "cui bono". My Latin.... ;)

Richard Grove in 24 Carat Disinformation Fiasco

Following the expose of Deborah S Simon as the link between the billionaire Zionist perpetrators of 9/11 and disinformation agents such as Tom Flocco, Karl Schwarz and Phil Jayhan, the crooked cabal have been attempting to regroup with an alternative team of shills. These rather more articulate propagandists operate under names such as Richard Andrew Grove, Eric Andrew Blair and 8thEstate; their task is to carry on the work of Flocco and Co in distracting truth seekers with false 9/11 news and conspiracy theories. In comparison with these absurd theories, the "suicide hijacking pilots" tale appears eminently reasonable. There is not a scrap of evidence to support the former. The latter at least had the advantage of planted passports, FBI statements, fabricated videos and a compliant media - albeit requiring some ad hoc temporary revisions of the laws of physics such as Fourier's Law of heat conduction.

The Grove team's specious nonsense is infesting internet chat rooms, and in order to save any further time-wasting it is better to nip this in the bud without further ado.

One of the central planks of Grove's thesis is that gold bricks to the value of hundreds of billions of dollars were stolen from beneath the World Trade Center, before the Towers collapsed. The audio clearly states "billions" as opposed to "millions", so this is not an error in the transcripts. Grove - a self-styled "whistleblower" - claims that the events at the top of the Towers were a diversion to deflect attention from events at or below ground level. Let's be generous to his theory and take the 2006 price of gold at some $600 per troy ounce - it was more like $300 in 2001. A troy ounce is nearly 10% greater than an avoirdupois ounce. There are about 14.583 troy ounces per avoirdupois pound, so $600 x 14.583 x 2,000 ~ $17,500,000 per short ton. Hence, 10,000 tons of gold would be worth $175,000,000,000 which might just qualify as "hundreds of billions of dollars". Incidentally, this is more than the entire US gold reserves at around 8,133 tonnes or 8,965 tons. The WTC vaults were hardly likely to have contained more gold than Fort Knox.

Even if we allow the longer time of 102 minutes for the WTC 1 collapse, and suppose that only 100 trucks were employed to "liberate" the gold with each carrying as much as 100 tons, then each of these very large trucks would have a mere sixty-one seconds in order to maneuver into place and to be loaded with its 100 tons of gold as the next truck accelerates away. Assuming 16 seconds to position each large truck, there is 45 seconds available for each loading. We'll suppose that ten forklift trucks can each carry as much as ten tons of gold, and their movements are synchronised such that each crashes into a large truck (hopefully instantly dislodging the gold and container) at 0, 5, 10, ... 40 and 45 seconds past each minute. The time available to load each forklift is much less than sixty seconds.

Let's suppose each human loader can lift 80 pounds of gold at a time and place it onto the forklift in only three seconds, and return for the next load in another second. Hence, 20,000 / 80 = 250 such cycles are required per forklift per 61 second larger cycle. If we allow 40 to 44 seconds for loading each forklift, then each human loader can place ten 80 pound loads over 40 seconds, so 25 human loaders might suffice per forklift. So there are 100 truck drivers, 10 forklift operators, and 250 Arnold Schwarzenegger types required as part of the conspiracy, all to be paid and/or silenced! Admittedly, some of the manual loaders and forklift operators would be "eliminated" in the collapse. Even this bizarre scenario assumes they all manage to dodge the explosions in the basement, whether bombs or kerosene deflagrations. And amazingly, Richard Grove was the only person to observe this record heist.

Actually, in links provided by Richard Grove (go to url at the end of this piece for details), the figures quoted for the gold and silver stored in the WTC vaults do not exceed $650 million, apart from a rumoured figure of $160 billion originating from the New York Daily News and quoted in the Sierra Times (also at Rumour Mill News and in the Loose Change video). Any competent analyst would see that the "hundreds of billions of dollars of gold" (particularly with regard to a robbery) is untenable. The "robbers" might have stood a slim chance of getting away with tens of millions of dollars worth of gold and silver, but it would not justify going to all the trouble of crashing planes into two skyscrapers. And Dov Zakheim had already got his hands on the Pentagon's $2.3 trillion ($2.6 trillion in later reports) as early as September 10, 2001. A trillion-dollar crime syndicate that has just pulled off the greatest robbery in history has no need to blow up buildings after they have the loot. The Bush administration's complicity in crashing a UAV into the Pentagon's west wing, together with Israel's submarines equipped with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles with a 900-mile range and its spy-ring's gathering of secrets with which to blackmail politicians, provided Israel with all the leverage it needed to force the US authorities to cover for Netanyahu / Zakheim's Pentagon embezzlement and Netanyahu / Zakheim / Silverstein's WTC controlled demolition $3+ billion insurance scam and pretext for wars for Israel's benefit. Grove and his handlers hoped that no one would spot their deliberate "error" of confusing millions with billions (rather reminiscent of the way Osama was morphed into Saddam).

Time and again, the disinformation spin doctors rely on the fact that most folk will not even bother to do the calculations or check out the feasibility of the claims. The Grove team are either knaves, fools, or both. Their unsubstantiated assertions are nearly all false, with a few morsels of half-truths and scraps of cheap confessions tossed into the heap. The person reading the script need not be the sharpest blade in the drawer, but the scriptwriters are clearly inveterate deceivers.

Please see http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/grove.htm for a longer version of this with numerous links detailing the evidence of who was really behind 9/11.