That's awesome dude.

translated - we're afraid that our operatives in Iraq might talk so we're killing them.

al queda works for the same master as Dick Cheney. Who that is . . . now that's something to find out.

Anybody remember that movie, "The Sum Of All Fears" by Tom Clancy?

Just putting it out there...

http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.pdf

Did anyone here mention the recent hit piece from the Washington Post? You can leave your comments about it on the blog beneath the story.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2006/05/911_truth_i_dont_thi...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060609/pl_nm/security_congress_funding_dc

Permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq.

umm wrong.

Cheney knew.

IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO JUST SAY BUSH KNEW! HE/THEY MORE THEN KNEW! He/they planned it and helped carry it OUT! And YES,it's me who got interviewed by Italy media and was to air yesterday, so if anyone gets clip of interview please email me it,OK? They said it would be on RAI T.V. in Italy! Hi,Jon, remember me from Chicago,Sue.

What is the Rubicon anyway? Please give me short version of what it is please!

bozo, I would bet the Bilderberg group who is now as we speak,plotting the world's future in Ottawa,Canada! The evil S.O.B's elitist bastards! What gives THEM the right to control the whole world! Pure EVIL~! We ALL should have mass protested their asses this weekend! WHY hasn't someone before now? While we STILL can!

somebigguy, PLEASE,PLEASE UPDATE any flyers to say that Bush and cohorts HELPED PLAN AND CARRY OUT 9-11! THEY MORE THEN KNEW!PLEASE, I am begging you to get it straight!

Sue this forum is basically LIHOP. They don't all believe that the Twin Towers were demolished with explosives. In Britain we are all MIHOP.
www.nine-eleven.co.uk.

In this thread there was a message from the leading Finnish site: it was ignored, Not even a welcome. They are all MIHOP too.

It worries me a little.

I think Bush was shitting bricks, he knew he was a sitting duck out there.
somebigguy | Homepage | 06.10.06 - 11:04 pm | #

That sounds like you think he DIDN'T know.

Where Swedish at Chicago conference? What different countries where there? I know of Italy, Finland, Japan but who else,anyone know? Or I can email Janice on it.

Andrew Lowe Watson, This is a 9-11 blogger site and as such, anyone can post,right? And YES, THE TOWERS HAD EXPLOSIVES IN THEM, PLENTY OF PROOF! THAT IS MAIN EVIDENCE THEY WERE NOT ONLY INVOLVED BUT BEHIND IT! And I don't care what others say, THEY NOT ONLY KNEW 9-11 WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN,THEY HELPED PLAN AND CARRY IT OUT! Look at Cheney's command of war games going on, otherwise this site does not do it's research and such! We all in 9-11 truth movement need to be saying the ugly pure truth no matter how hard it is to swallow and that is THAT 9-11 WAS PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT BY PEOPLE IN OUR OWN GOV'T AND THERE'S TONS OF EVIDENCE! And for people to say Bush KNEW is LAME as hell! He/they MORE THAN KNEW! It's like letting them off with mass murder!

It surprises me that they like Steven Jones and David Ray Griffin as they are totally MIHOP. The honourable exception is George Washsington for whom I have total respect.
Jon Gold is a terrifically hard worker and brim full of enthususiam, but he gets edgy if you start dicussing the physical evidence.
Last week Rick Siegel's film 911Eyewitness was shown at Chicago. There has been no mention on this blog of reactions to this or the other main feature, Improbable Collapse. Both films are strongly supportive of Controlled demolition.
( I haven't seen Improbable Collapse yet - still waiting for my copy of the DVD as I am one of composers featured on the soundtrack).
By contrast they all love Evrybody's Gotta Learn Somehow by the definitely LIHOP John Albanese.
Jon Gold gave an interview recently to a Philly paper and it didn't menton CD or WCT7 - he can corrrect me if he didtalk about it.
As for the Pentagon, we have been ordered not to talk about it despite that ridiculous little blur they say was a 757. Some honey pot. I think we have been effectively silenced by some clever disinfo about new crystal-clear footage.
If they had it , don't you think they had better come on and release it?
They all fear that the Truth movement would be destroyed by such an event. Well I have news for you boys. This is a worldwide movement and nothing can stop it. Look at the excitement shown by tha Italian guy. He said: the dam had broken! Here in Europe you will find the public are totally ready for the truth as soon as the cowards in the press come out of their bunkers.

somebigguy, Get a CLUE! Bush was NOT shitting bricks out there AS HE NOT ONLY KNEW IT WAS COMING BUT HELPED PLAN AND CARRY IT OUT! Come on somebigguy, who's side are you on anyway? Either you believe 9-11 was an inside job or you don't, which is it? Because I TOTALLY believe and have TONS of evidence to prove, they not ONLY KNEW BUT HELPED CARRY IT OUT! Look at evidence about towers and explosives! That is proof of itself! WAKE THE F*CK UP! 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, SHEEP! They not only knew but helped plan and carry it out, fools!

somebigguy,BUSH was NOT "shitting bricks" on contrary, he knew want was happening! Look at his face in school room, does his face look like someone in shock, anger or surprise? NOT! He even did a 45min. F*CKING PHOTO-OP EVEN AFTER THAT, WHILE OUR FELLOW CITIZENS WERE JUMPING OUT OF WINDOWS ON 70+ FLOORS OF WTC, WHILE THAT MF'ER WAS DOING A PHOTO-OP! MF'ERS!

It is time for all the groups in the world to get together and have a worldwide 911 Truth conference.
All that patriotic American thing is great, but 911 was an event that shook the world and we all have an interest in getting the story out.
It's time to combine and go global. That is why my idea of a worldwide Shout for Truth is I think a good one( see homepage below)

Sue it's late where you are but I understand how you feel. Try them tomorrow morning with your questions

Hamas Fires Rockets At Israel After Calling Off Truce

And I feel fine...
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.10.06 - 11:00 pm | #

^Thanks for that Jon, I love that song. Did you see that shit Israel pulled to break that ceasefire?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/bb_wm_fs.stm?nbram=1&new...

^The actions of the Israeli state truly do sicken me, f*cking scumbag hypocrites. We were discussing this here actually;

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/dazinith/114987243730032667/

^Go to the bottom of the page.

"Did anyone here mention the recent hit piece from the Washington Post?"

The truth always hits hard.

somebigguy, Get a CLUE! Bush was NOT shitting bricks out there AS HE NOT ONLY KNEW IT WAS COMING BUT HELPED PLAN AND CARRY IT OUT! Come on somebigguy, who's side are you on anyway? Either you believe 9-11 was an inside job or you don't, which is it? Because I TOTALLY believe and have TONS of evidence to prove, they not ONLY KNEW BUT HELPED CARRY IT OUT! Look at evidence about towers and explosives! That is proof of itself! WAKE THE F*CK UP! 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, SHEEP! They not only knew but helped plan and carry it out, fools!
Sue | 06.11.06 - 4:06 am | #

LOL what? Sbg has probably done more for 9/11 truth then you "Sue". Seriously you couldnÂ’t be more wrong about someone lol. And I don't personally think Bush planed shit, the guy's a willing puppet whoÂ’s probably kept in the dark about most for the stuff that goes down. And I'm sure he knows that also, but he's fine with it cus his daddy told him to be. To me Bush looked in the school like a mixture of shitting himself, not wanting to do anything because he knows his place as a puppet, and secretly recognising that the plan heÂ’s heard about is going well.

Good to see some Scandinavian 9/11 Truth happening. You aren't gonna hear much from Denmark, as they are quite pro-Bush and the government despises its predominantly Muslim immigrant population. Sweden is otherwise remarkably silent in the media regarding 9/11 Truth and most Swedes I speak to are quite ignorant or have no opinion regarding the movement. Which is probably not surprising, considering their see-no-evil, head-in-the-sand "neutrality" regarding the Nazis during WW2. The Finns seem the most pro-active.

Sue, please read the Bush Knew flyer, and tell me what the very last statement in the flyer says. You can find an HTML version of the flyer here so you don't have to wait for a PDF viewer to open it up. (In case that is what is preventing you from actually reading the flyer, but rather to just make assumptions).

http://www.911blogger.com/flyers/BushKnew.html

If you don't like the name of the flyer, feel free to name it "Bush Did It" or whatever makes you happy.

Hahahah, I just got a submission from Sue asking for my direct email address followed by a rant similar to the ones above.

Sue, please look at the Flyer before making assumptions and becoming confrontational. I don't have time to argue with people who choose to be uninformed.

"The Finns seem the most pro-active."

Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that the Winter War (1939-1940) against the Soviet Union was triggered by the Mainila shots, staged by the Russians and of course blamed on the Finns. Nowadays even Russian historians accept this.

Of course, in the Continuation War (1941-1944) the Finns fought the Soviet Union alongside the Germans, although remaining formally non-allied (that's "Realpolitik"). Finland was, however, the only war ally of Germany that refused to extradite Jews to Germany (although a -- fortunately -- small number of Jews were deported along with some other people). Our prime minister told the Nazis "Finland has no Jew problem" when asked to extradite the Jews. The relations between the Finns and our Jew minority have always been good and close.

"Either you believe 9-11 was an inside job or you don't, which is it? Because I TOTALLY believe and have TONS of evidence to prove, they not ONLY KNEW BUT HELPED CARRY IT OUT! Look at evidence about towers and explosives!"

Let's see your evidence that proves it Sue. To Jones it's a hypothesis and not written in stone so what do you have?

That sounds like you think he DIDN'T know.
Andrew Lowe Watson | Edit comment Delete comment | Email | Homepage | 06.11.06 - 3:44 am | #

Did anyone look at the flyer??? Bush Knew is the headline on a NY Post paper from back in 2002 (I think). It is meant to gain some credibility by referencing a mainstream article so people might consider reading the whole thing.

The flyer deals with, get this, Controlled Demolition.

"Jon Gold gave an interview recently to a Philly paper and it didn't menton CD or WCT7 - he can corrrect me if he didtalk about it."

I did, but I referred him to Professor Jones. I don't claim to be an expert on things I couldn't possible be.

Sue, re: your 4:06 a.m. post, I believe that somebigguy & the other administrators here know that 9/11 was an inside job, as that is the premise of this site. Thank you.

Jon, you're a good man, but please get up to speed with the implosion WTC-7 & the eruption of the towers. Thank you too.

Sue... it was nice to meet you. Please don't attack SBG like that.

Anonymous... up to speed? I'm well aware of everything you are. You didn't listen to what I said. I'm not an expert. I don't want someone to have the ability to ask me, "Are you a structural engineer, no? then shut up". I have just as many Controlled Demolition movies, Controlled Demolition articles, and articles about Professor Jones, and I was the one who got him his quote regarding Rep. Weldon. There is more to 9/11 than Controlled Demolition.

And Dr. Griffin and I are friends if that means anything.

And on top of that, Professor Jones is accompanying me to meet with Rep. Weldon. What more would you like me to do?

Wolsey's new show is up with a surprise guest. Jim Hoffman

http://media.libsyn.com/media/visibility911/visibility911_hoffman1.mp3

There can't be enough conferences, but I suppose we have one worldwide already...

In Cork/Irland: The New Pearl Harbour: Exploring Conflicting Interpretations of 9/11 back in November 2005.

Sue, the Rubicon is a river in Italy with some historical importance.
In speech, the Rubicon denotes a bounding or limiting line; especially: one that when crossed commits a person to an irrevocable change or decision.

"Crossing the Rubicon" is also one of the 1st books to claim that 9/11 was an inside job. It was written by Michael C. Ruppert, who seems to less certain about the importance of 9/11 than when he wrote the book.

Ruppert is hard-core Peak Oil, but I always worried that that Peak Oil is really a cunning pretext to sell 9/11 to the military/industrial complex, particularly behind closed doors.

Jon, I'd like you to light a few small fires in a modern, massive, steel framed building, and tell us if it implodes just like buildings that have been meticulously rigged with explosives.

(Just kidding. You could be arrested for arson, and we know the building won't turn into a pile of rubble. ;-))

Well, you did say what more I like you to do.

s/b would I like you to do.

Andrew Lowe Watson: When you get your copy of Improbable Collapse please write a little review in the comment section for us. I cant order my copy for a few weeks ($) and would love to hear a liitle about it. The preview looks kick ass.

Jon, I know you're not comfortable speaking out about controlled demolition for some reason, but you could at least say that WTC-7 looks like a controlled demolition, and no plausible explanation has been given to the contrary.

anonymous cites that junk science paper by Greening to convince everyone that the WTC erupted & exploded due to smoldering fires.

However, 9/11 truth is not based upon Jones vs. Greening. There are about 500 other suspicious & incriminating aspects of 9/11 that point to an inside job!!! (Besides Dr. Jones' work, there is other evidence that suggests controlled demolition of the WTC.)

"anonymous, I know someone else who has spoken out on the collapse of WTC-7 whose words support Dr. Jones over Dr. Greening."

There is little point in avoiding the issue. Jon has the opportunity to DIRECTLY ask Steven Jones why Jones has not addressed Greening's paper on the collapse of towers 1 and 2. Simple question that many have asked Jones to do.

"However, 9/11 truth is not based upon Jones vs. Greening."

Truth is truth anonymous and avoiding finding it is not what 9/11 truth is all about.

BUSH KNEW: An important link between stolen elections and 9-11

"Truth is truth anonymous and avoiding finding it is not what 9/11 truth is all about."

What does a shill like you know or care about the truth? You're job is to further muddy the waters to hide the truth.

I saw building erupt & explode for no reason. I saw another building implode for no reason. I saw a shyster saw that he & the fire dept pulled the building.

Dr. Jones is just extra icing on the enourmous cake we've made out of the gov't LIES.

There is little point in avoiding the issue. Jon has the opportunity to DIRECTLY ask Steven Jones why Jones has not addressed Greening's paper on the collapse of towers 1 and 2. Simple question that many have asked Jones to do.

Dr. Jones' can't address every gov't fraud or quack who is trying to discredit him.

"I saw building erupt & explode for no reason. I saw another building implode for no reason. I saw a shyster saw that he & the fire dept pulled the building."

Fortunately neither Jones nor most of us work on that nervous level. There is no reason to be scared to ask Jones the question about Greening's paper.

We all know that Jones is just a physics professor and not really creditentialed to discuss his ideas in the eyes of real scientists. When push comes to shove and the 9/11 Truth Movement makes REAL headway Jones will be forced to defend himself against those scientists who will come out of the woodwork and challenge him like scientist Dr. Frank Greening has.

If Jones can't rebut Greening then we're going to have to ask questions about Jones's capabilities.

Better now than later. No point in dodging it.

Professor Jones of BYU persists in his refusal to acknowledge the fact that hot Iron is combustible (it burns and generates heat), and he does not respond to the following indictment that he was oblivious of that fact when he announced his conclusions with respect to "molten iron" allegedly found in the burning piles of WTC rubble.

_____ Original Message _____
From: Mark Ferran
Cc: jfetzer@d.umn.edu ; steven_jones@byu.edu
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:18 PM
Subject: WTC IRON BURNS!!!

"ABC News reported that, "the temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to." http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm
The only likely source of the heat great enough to actually "melt" significant quantities of iron in the piles (or even just raise so much of it to red-hot or to 2000F) would be chemical energy (i.e., "combustion" of some sort). Professor Jones assumes that all the carbonaceous "combustible" matter in the "piles" would have burned away long before the time that the red-hot and molten iron was discovered (weeks after the collapse of the WTC towers). Perhaps it did, by weeks after the collapse. But Professor Jones obviously does not comprehend that the hot, red-hot and molten IRON IS COMBUSTIBLE matter.

Here, Jones clearly missed it, when he wrote: "At these temperatures, steel will melt, and aluminum materials from the buildings should continue to undergo exothermic oxidation reactions with materials also entrained in the molten metal pools including metal oxides which will then keep the pools molten and even growing for weeks despite radiative and conductive losses. ... The government reports admit that the building fires were insufficient to melt steel beams -- then where did the molten metal pools come from?" http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Jones has no clue because he has conception of Steel Burning (iron oxidation).

The Truth is that: HOT STEEL WILL CONTINUE TO UNDERGO EXOTHERMIC OXIDATION REACTIONS WHILE EXPOSED TO AIR, CAUSING IRON TO INCREASE ITS TEMPERATURE UNTIL IT MELTS, FORMING POOLS OF MOLTEN IRON.

Professor Jones' comments and conjectures about the origin of the alleged molten iron found within the three huge piles of combustible matter burning after the collapse of the WTC towers, distinctly prove that Professor Jones is oblivious of the fact that Iron Burns.

I found this children's educational webpage that further illustrates that "Professor Jones" (among the "9-11 Scholars") is an incompetent ignoramus because he ignores the scientifically provable (or disprovable) fact that Iron metal itself burns, and that when amassed in large piles can ignite fires (and can even melt itself). The article discusses child-safe experiments observing a very slow oxidation of iron (rusting at room temperature), but also mentions:
"Sometimes a big load of iron in a ship can get hot. The heat can even set other materials on fire. ThatÂ’s because the iron is rusting, which means it is burning very, very slowly. Iron rusts in a chemical reaction called oxidation. That means the iron reacts with oxygen gas from the air. Oxidation is the chemical reaction that occurs when anything burns in air. Like most oxidations, rusting gives off heat."
http://www.highlightskids.com/Science/TryThis/h3TT1004_ironBurns.asp?sub...

Beyond the scope of this child-oriented article, it is important to understand that general rule in chemistry that most chemical reactions (e.g., oxidation of iron) are accelerated by higher temperatures. This is especially true of iron oxidation. This means, that the hotter iron metal in contact with oxygen is, the faster it will oxidize (burn). For example, it is a familiar sight at iron foundries to see hot iron rust forming instantaneously on red-hot iron beams. This hot rust usually falls off spontaneously (because of the difference in thermal expansion properties between iron and rust). Meaning, a hot iron beam, if combined with a large enough number of other hot iron beams in a confined or semi insulated pile (e.g., covered with cement dust), will burn CONTINUOUSLY until it consumes itself, (and thus will appear to have been "vaporized" to those not looking for the rust residue). It will just thin away (and turn into rust), as illustrated by this photo of burned and thinned I-beam metal recovered from the rubble of the WTC towers:

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Biederman/fig1.gif
http://stream.paranode.com/imc/portland/images/2006/06/341368.gif

Ancient Wisdom about burning iron:

19th Century:
"Iron commences to 'burn' at 2500[F], while at the end of the operation in the Bessemer process, when the temperature reaches some 3000[F], the iron burns violently, as demonstrated by examination of the Bessemer flame with the spectro- scope. (See p. 46, Vol. II.)"
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/ncps:@field(DOCID+@lit(ABS1821-0003-230))::
Manufacturer and builder / Volume 3, Issue 6, June 1871

"At 1000C iron burns as easily as wood." http://www.learning-org.com/01.09/0073.html

Thomas Aquinas and other theologians remarked on this famous burning property of Iron:

Aquinas maintains that:
The head causes an influx of sensation and motion to all members of the body. ... [S]omeone can understand “to flow into” (“influere”) in two ways according to the spiritual sense and mode. One mode as principal agent: And thus it belongs to God alone to provide an influx of grace in the members of the Church. In another mode instrumentally: And thus even the humanity of Christ is a cause of the said influx; because as Damascene says ... as iron burns on account of the fire conjoined to it, so were the actions of the humanity of Christ on account of the united divinity, of which the humanity itself was an instrument. Christ, nevertheless, according to the two last conditions of head [governance, influence] is able to be called head of the angels according to human nature, and head of both according to divine nature; not, however, according to the first condition [namely, sameness in nature], unless one takes what is common according to the nature of the genus, according as man and angel agree in rational nature, and further what is common according to analogy, according as it is common to the Son along with all creatures to receive from the Father, as Basil says, by reason of which he is said to be the first-born of all creatures, Col. 1:15.16 http://www.unav.es/cryf/georgemaritain.html

DAMASCENUS, (lib. 3, cap. 17) wrote:
"For not according to its [the flesh's] own operation, but by the Word united to it, He wrought divine things, the Word displaying through it His own operation. For glowing iron burns not by possessing in a natural manner the power to burn, but by possessing this from its union with the fire. Therefore in itself it was mortal, and on account of its personal union to the Word, quickening." http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/concord/web/augsc-05...
Iron smiths (Blacksmiths) modern and ancient are aware that glowing Iron Burns:
"With bellows blowing additional air through the fire, it can reach temperatures of about 3,000° Fahrenheit. Iron burns at 2,800°, however, so the smith has to be careful to not ruin his work! … The smith's fire contains too much oxygen to allow iron to melt; as it approaches its melting point the iron burns instead."
http://www.osv.org/cgi-bin/CreatePDF.php?/tour/index.php?L=12&PDF=Y

Also of note: Faraday's lectures and a demonstration of iron powder burning: http://www.fordham.edu/HALSALL/MOD/1859Faraday-forces.html ("Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith, and was born at Newington Butts, near London, September 22, 1791.")

A WWII witness in Germany recounts seeing the "iron" of three Russian tanks "burn" from March 9 1945 until November 3, 1945: http://members.tripod.com/~radde/RaddesFlight.html ("The three Russian tanks before Bresin still burned as we passed by them on the morning of 11-3, and this taught me something surprising: iron burns.") This account suggests that the "critical mass" of iron metal that will sustain itself burning may be quite small compared to the huge amounts of iron debris the WTC piles. This account of prolonged iron combustion also supports the conclusion that the main source of high heat in the piles of the WTC 1, 2 and 7, weeks and months after their collapse, was due to burning iron in these piles. This conclusion could be readily verified or disproved through simulation or experimentation.

The other interesting thing about "iron fire" (fast oxidation of iron) is that it creates a "vacuum" of sorts that "sucks" oxygen to itself. Ordinary carbonaceous "fire" creates carbon monoxide (CO) or carbon dioxide (CO2), which are gases that can take the place of consumed oxygen (02) gas. Carbon monoxide production releases two molecules of CO gas per one O2 molecule consumed. Thus, such a carbon fire requires a "convection" current to remove the hot carbon mon/dioxide (out the top) to make room for more cold oxygen to be brought in (at the bottom).
By contrast, an "iron fire" converts the oxygen gas (and possibly also nitrogen gas, but that is tangent) into a solid (rust). Thus, the burning iron metal effectively sucks atmospheric oxygen INTO the pile of burning metal, regardless of convection currents. Convection currents are a strong mechanism for REMOVING heat from a fire. Of course convection currents will also be present even in a huge iron pile furnace, but a result of direct conversion of oxygen gas into a solid (rust) is that there are weaker convection currents and that means that the heat of combustion escapes more slowly

from the metal fire furnace than from a carbonaceous fire furnace. Thus, since the heat of combustion does not leave with the combustion products, a metal-air furnace could become much "hotter" faster than a carbon-air furnace of the same scale (e.g., at the same oxygen demand level).
Theoretically, there is no limit upon the temperature that such a large metal-fire could attain. It could, in theory, attain a temperature high enough to not only melt iron, but also to boil (vaporize) iron, but not at the same location at the same time. (You cannot maintain solid, liquid, and gaseous iron at the same location, because "melting" and "vaporization" occur at greatly different temperatures). The difficulty with that however is that the molten (burning) iron would tend to settle into a pool, having a smaller surface area (on its top surface only), thus reducing its rate of oxidation.

It has also been suggested that Sulfur especially from tons of decomposing Gypsum (a Sulfur ore used in sheetrock walls and partitions in offices and homes) in the piles accelerated the oxidation or melting of the iron burning in the piles. "Sulfur is widely distributed in nature. It is found in many minerals and ores, e.g., iron pyrites, galena, cinnabar, zinc blende, gypsum..." http://columbia.thefreedictionary.com/Sulpher
"Dust and debris deposits associated with the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the World Trade Center have left a distinct fingerprint on the sedimentary record in New York Harbor, scientists have found. Their results appear in the January 21, 2003, issue of the journal EOS, a publication of the American Geophysical Union. ... The high levels of calcium, strontium, and sulfur concentrations found in the near-surface sediments ..., are consistent with presence of gypsum as a parent material. Gypsum is extensively used as drywall in building construction."
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-01/nsf-sfg011603.php
The "Sulfides" produced when sulfer dioxide (e.g., from decomposed Gypsum) contacts burning iron have been identified as an agent that supposedly accellerated the "deterioration" of the steel in the burning WTC piles, on a macromolecular level.
"A section of an A36 wide flange beam retrieved from the collapsed World Trade Center Building 7 was examined to determine changes in the steel microstructure ... Rapid deterioration of the steel was a result of heating with oxidation in combination with intergranular melting due to the presence of sulfur. The formation of the eutectic mixture of iron oxide and iron sulfide lowers the temperature at which liquid can form in this steel. This strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached ~1,000ºC, forming the eutectic liquid ...." http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Biederman/Biederman-0112.html
"Gypsum does not have a true melting point, as it decomposes under heat before it can melt" http://www.gp.com/build/PageViewer.aspx?repository=bp&elementid=3358 With high heat, Gyspum decomposes and releases Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) gas, which is a weak oxidizer that can rapidly transfer both its sulfur and oxygen to the exposed iron surfaces in the piles. "Many metals, including zinc, aluminum, cesium, and iron, incandesce and/or ignite in unheated sulfur dioxide." http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mhmi/mmg116.html
"In some cases, SO2 behaves as both a reducing and oxidizing agent (metals such as tin, iron and magnesium burn in SO2 to form mixed sulfides and oxides)."
http://www.intox.org/databank/documents/chemical/sulfdiox/cie714.htm
and http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/EHSRM/HAZCOM/MSDS/sulfurdioxide.pdf

In other words, Sulfur Dioxide gas (e.g., from decomposing Gypsum wallboard) spontaneously reacts (combines) with iron metal (cold or hot), turning it into iron sulfides and iron oxides (i.e. burning the iron). The sulfides introduced into iron (sulfidation) by exposure of iron to Sulfur Dioxide gas have been used by humans (blacksmiths) for hundreds if not thousands of years, and have been understood in chemical terms for centuries, but apparently, such chemistry is not understood by BYU Professor Jones.
"The formation of the eutectic mixture of iron oxide and iron sulfide lowers the temperature at which liquid can form in this steel. This strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached ~1000°C by a process similar to making a “blacksmith’s weld” in a hand forge. (Barnett, 2001)"
For hundreds of years, Blacksmiths took advantage of this well-known property of sulfur dioxide by "welding" iron parts together over fires of sulfur-rich charcoal, which lowers the melting point of iron at its surface.
Sulfur Dioxide gas can be released by the burning of ANY ORGANIC substance, including wood, paper, flesh, fabrics, and especially plastics (carpets), and rubber (rubber is "vulcanized" by adding sulfur to it). Sulfur Dioxide gas, has a distinct impact on the nose, and is a respiratory irritant, because it forms sulfurous acid when it combines with water or moisture in the human body. Sulfur Dioxide can be further oxidized to form sulfuric acid (when added to water). High concentrations of Sulfurous fumes emanating from the piles at Ground Zero have been documented, and have been identified as a probable cause of respiratory ailments suffered by many rescue workers and cleanup crews. "One of the America's top air-quality scientists test the air around Ground Zero and tells NBC's Lisa Myers and the NBC Investigative Team he was shocked to find alarming levels of sulfuric acid and fine particles more than three weeks after the attack. (MSNBC, October 29, 2003)" http://www.asthmamoms.com/worldtradecenterarticles2003.htm

Professor Jones demonstrates his ignorance of the basic "Blacksmith" chemistry of sulfidation-by-S02-from-fire with his following oblivious or dishonest statements: "Then there is the rather mysterious sulfidation of the steel reported in this paper -- What is the origin of this sulfur? No solid answer is given in any of the official reports. ... While gypsum in the buildings is a source of sulfur, it is highly unlikely that this sulfur could find its way into the structural steel in such a way as to form a eutectic. ... Thus, we find substantial evidence supporting the current conjecture that some variation of thermite (e.g., solid aluminum powder plus Fe2O3, with possible addition of sulfur) was used on the steel columns of the WTC Tower to weaken the huge steel supports, not long before explosives finished the demolition job."

In addition to sulfidation of cold iron by its exposure to sulfurous (e.g., SO2) fumes, sulfidation by an even more direct transfer of the sulfur and oxygen from Gypsum to Iron might occur where Gypsum (dust) is in direct contact with the burning (e.g., red hot) iron.

Another's lucid rebuttal of Professor Jones' conjectures about the sulfidated iron found in the burning piles of WTC wreckage is self-published as follows:
"The "absolutely conclusive smoking-gun PROOF" amounts to this: Prof. Jones CLAIMS to have obtained a sample of solidified spatter from post-collapse WTC structural steel. He takes the sample-gatherer's word that this is where it came from. He claims to have determined the sample to be sulfur-contaminated iron. Solely from this basis he leaps to the definite conclusion that it's a residue of thermate (thermite with sulfur and potassium permanganate additives) used to cut the tower's columns. This is quite the leap of inductive reasoning. As we all know, the debris field of the WTC was an oven of steel-melting intensity. All of the WTC's debris was churned together chaotically in this pile. Steel is basically highly refined iron. The element sulfur is present in abundance in many building materials. Drywall, for example (also known as GYPSUM board) consists primarily of plaster, i.e. gypsum, i.e. hydrated calcium SULFATE. Churn lots of steel and gypsum together and cook them for three weeks at temperatures sufficient to melt both and I would not be surprised to see "sulfur-contaminated iron" turning up in samples of same. This is not to say Jones is definitely wrong as to what produced it, just that it's ridiculously dishonest and irresponsible to hype this as "absolutely conclusive smoking-gun PROOF" of the use of thermate. There is at least one other completely plausible completely mundane possibility. Prof. Jones focusses on the iron/sulfur mix as a signature of thermate, but makes no mention of aluminum oxide, which would also most definitely be present and which he'd certainly test for and mention if it were. This is a strange omission. Prof. Jones knows better "
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/06/17/18281125.php

For practical purposes, all this means that a huge pile of iron beams (e.g., mixed in with tons of other materials initially burning) can itself begin to burn like huge iron logs in a pile furnace, and there is no reason not to expect this system to reach a temperature high enough to melt iron. Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) gas, released from burning organic materials, and/or from decomposing Gypsum, in the burning piles will spontaneously combine (react) with cold or hot iron, adding more heat to the iron, and adding "sulfides" to the steel and thus lowering its effective melting temperature.

The first "molten" iron in the WTC piles was reportedly discovered WEEKS AFTER the collapse of the WTC towers, and molten iron was reportedly found regularly during the following MONTHS during excavations of the huge piles. The only rational explanation for this steady-state phenomenon is IRON BURNING. "Professor Jones" is not a rational man, and thus he fails to consider the fact that Iron Burns, and instead assumes that the reported "molten iron" was all created (by surreptitious "Thermite") o

on September 11, 2001 and that all this red-hot liquid metal just stayed clumped together on its chaotic descent down 70+ floors and then stayed in molten form until it was dug up weeks and months later.

Further, as an aside, it is total idiocy for Jones and his associates to assume that someone intent upon both bringing down the WTC towers and being undetected in doing so would go to the trouble of actually "melting" some of the iron (let alone allot of it) within the iron support columns (steel will not "melt" until reaching temperatures of nearly 3000F), rather than just heating some of them to the much lesser temperature point at which the iron would EXPAND and DEFORM (see photos linked below) and become worse than useless to support the enormous weight of the building. (That temperature can be scientifically calculated given the load parameters, and was evidently equal to or less than the core temperature of the carbonaceous office fires spanning an enormous area e.g., one square acre in size, on each of several floors of each WTC tower). Note: "A typical house fire can reach 2000 degrees Fahrenheit after just five minutes of flame." http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/roundup/online/2004/1104_p4_7.pdf "THE TYPICAL HOUSE FIRE REACHES A TEMPERATURE OF APPROXIMATELY ELEVEN HUNDRED DEGREES [Fahrenheit]" http://www.gia.edu/newsroom/3685/broadcast_content.cfm Aluminum melts at about 1218 F. It is an observable fact that virtually all carbonaceous-fires (e.g., bonfires, house fires, burning-paper fires, airplane fires) are readily capable of melting aluminum. (Note: "Fire" is not synonymous with "flame".)

When even smaller aluminum aircraft burn on the ground, the resulting fire usually "melts" their aluminum portions, thus proving temperatures exceeding 1200 degrees Fahrenheit:

Aircraft Crash: Aluminum Fire

http://www.nps.gov/yuch/Expanded/b24/b24_graphics/aerialview_big.jpg

"The forward portion of the fusilage [sic] containing the cockpit burned, the aluminum being almost completely consumed by the heat of the fire which ranged from 1310 degrees to 2100 degrees (F)." http://www.nps.gov/yuch/Expanded/b24/b24.htm

These temperature estimates exceed the melting point of aluminum. See also the burning-aircraft photos in this thoughtful rebuttal of Professor Jones' lunatic "thermite" theory. http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/moltensteel.htm ("Air France flight 358 didn't hit a steel building at 500 miles an hour. It didn't even burn the fuel in the wings yet it's aluminum skin melted to the ground. It simply went off the runway and caught fire. What melted the airliner was the contents like seats, clothing and other combustibles including chemical oxygen generators. It's not unreasonable to conclude the airliner and contents didn't even need the contents of the building to melt.") (unfortunately, the author of that article also mistakenly assumed that iron is "non-combustible")

It should also be kept in mind that "aluminum ... ignites at relatively low temperature," Aluminum, "melts at about 1,220[F] degrees. At about 1,400[F] degrees, it can automatically ignite and burst into flames without any spark" "The formation of aluminum oxide is accompanied by the release of a tremendous amount of heat ... temperatures can reach around 5,000 degrees."

http://www.dmanuta.com/dmm/aluminum.doc

More information about aluminum is provided here: http://www.911myths.com/WTCTHERM.pdf (although I think he tends to oversell the role of melted aluminum in the collapse of the WTC)

In other words, why use readily DETECTIBLE "thermite" (or even "explosives") when just burning tons of paper, plastic, rugs, aircraft-chairs, clothes, flesh, computers, (perhaps aluminum metal), and some hydrocarbon (jet) fuel, would (and evidently did) accomplish the same result?

To bolster his nonsensical conclusions, Professor Jones says absurd and misleading things like: "Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones told peers at a Utah meeting that, "while almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail." http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm

Professor Jones is an attention whore, who does not check his facts:

The essay at http://www.cagenweb.com/quarries/articles_and_books/stone_magazine/fire_... by an early American civil engineer of great repute (William Sooy Smith, 1830-1916) explains the known weaknesses of Iron (steel) beams and columns exposed to fire. He notes that the primary mechanism of structural failure in steel buildings is the DESTRUCTIVE FORCE generated in the steel itself when it EXPANDS due to heating by FIRE. He describes the destruction of several steel frame buildings due to the heat of fire, including one in New York city. In view of these examples, there is a warning (or prophesy) by the Fire Chief of the City of New York of the eventual collapse of a very tall steel frame building, (such as the World Trade Center buildings), due to exposure to the heat of fire. His essay is essential reading for anyone who would express or consider an opinion about the likelihood that a steel framed building exposed to fire would be brought down by the heat of fire.

Excerpts:
1) "Witness the Manhattan Savings Bank building, Broadway and Bleeker street, New York, which was destroyed a few weeks ago by the heat generated in the burning of the ... building next to it."

2) "fire ... partly destroyed the Athletic Association building in this city. ... and it is evident that if this heat had continued but a little longer the whole structure would have fallen."

3) "And notably at the burning of the Tribune building in Minneapolis, about three years ago, which resulted in its entire destruction."

"There may be steel buildings in which the fireproofing has been so well done that they will pass through an ordinary fire without such failure. But if the steel becomes even moderately heated its stiffness will be measurably diminished, and the strength of the upright members so reduced as to cause them to bend and yield. This is more likely to occur, as the horizontal beams and girders will at the same time expand (unequally from the different degrees of temperature) and throw the posts out of vertical and into buckling positions. This is the third difficulty. ... The third difficulty, resulting from the expansion and contraction of the metals employed in the construction of tall buildings, may be obviated by protecting these metals absolutely from any considerable change in temperature..."
Chief Bonner, of the fire department of New York, says in reference to the destruction of the Manhattan Bank building:
....We shall have in this city, unless the citizens of New York are warned in time, a calamity by fire which will rend their hearts. ... The heat thrown from a large burning building of any height is immense. ... I am prepared to declare, from my experience, that a building of brick and yellow pine in case of fire is easier to manage, and the contents have more chance of being saved than the modern fire-proof building. In the former structure the fire burns more slowly and has no chance to concentrate its heat as in the iron and steel structure.

Chief Swenie, of the Chicago fire department, is quoted in the essay as follows:

"I think very much as Bonner does," said Fire Marshal Swenie to-day, when his attention was directed to a statement of the chief of the New York fire department to the effect that the modern skyscraper is a veritable firetrap. .... Fire in a room so filled with goods might in very short time gain such headway as to imperil seriously the entire structure by the expansion, warping or twisting of the iron or steel framework.

No ... building of any kind in which inflammable goods are stored should ever exceed 125 feet in height, and might with advantage be much less. This is not because we cannot throw water high enough. But suppose such goods are stored in a twelve-story building; a fire breaks out, say on the sixth floor, and gets to burning furiously. The heat ascends and causes the pillars and beams to expand. The expansion first raises all that part of the building above where it takes place. At the same time the whole weight above continues on the expanded metal. before you know where you are something is going to give, and what will be the results? They will be too fearful to contemplate.

... It does not take a great amount of heat to cause steel and iron to expand, and when beams and columns begin moving something has got to break. Suppose a fire breaks out in one of these buildings. We work at it from below, and the steel beams expand, the ceiling breaks and the floor above comes down. ...

The statements of Professor Jones and others that "almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail" are insane distortions of reality and misrepresentations of practical experience of fire-fighters and engineers (See http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html A fire in a Madrid steel-frame building collapsed 10-story sections of the building -even without a plane crash weakening those sections-, and almost brought down the rest of it, which had to be torn down. "At its peak, temperatures reached 800 degrees Celsius (1,472 F)" ) See also: http://enr.construction.com/images2/2006/02/060206-30A.jpg

Professor Jones' irresponsible claims disparaging the capacity of fire to damage and collapse iron/steel structures are readily proved false by photographs of iron beams distorted and large sections of buildings collapsed by fire, including those photos of the distorted iron beams in the highway bridge that I include (below).

As for Jones' claims that a molten metal pooled and pouring out of the floors near wh

where the planes impacted was necessarily iron, not aluminum: How does Jones "get rid of" the Molten Aluminum that would result from contact of the airplane parts with the alleged molten iron? Molten iron in contact with solid aluminum will produce molten aluminum and solid iron, or motel aluminum and molten iron (i.e., always molten aluminum). The molten metal emerges (only) at the same corner and at the same floors of the WTC where the aluminum body of the aircraft "gently landed." What a coincidence. Also, it almost certain that much of the aluminum of the aircraft had melted in the heat of the fire(s), so if "iron" can "pool" there and pour out as Jones claims, why wouldn't some of the tons of molten aluminum (which just happened to land there) also pour out? What happened to the molten aluminum according to Jones? Jones only asserts that melted aircraft aluminum "would flow away from the heat source ... Thus, the observed molten metal flowing from WTC 2 on 9/11 cannot be aluminum."

Why would melted aluminum "flow away from the heat source" if not by action of gravity and the shape of the surface (floors) it was pooled on? Molten Iron would follow the same path as molten aluminum. And, why does Jones suppose that "out a window" is not "away from the heat source"? Why would (pooled?) molten iron have a preference over pooled molten aluminum to flow "away" out of a window from the same location?

More fundamentally, what good is molten iron falling out of a window to someone who wants to use it to HEAT a VERTICAL IRON BEAM to the point of failure???? In order to USE thermite to heat something, you have to let the molten iron transfer its heat to that thing, which means that the molten iron would cool and solidify if were actually USED to heat something. And, since Jones claims that the thermite was placed on the internal columns of the building (since they failed first), how and why would molten iron show up at the outside perimeter (near a corner) to fall out of a window? Thermite charges are always used ABOVE (or inside) the subject to be heated, because any other position would result in the hot molten iron formed by thermite flowing down away from the subject to be heated and being useless waste. Jones offers no explanation for why anyone would go to the trouble of using "thermite" to produce many gallons of WASTE molten iron that was not kept in intimate contact with vertical Beams and therefore served no purpose other than to fall out of a window and attract attention to itself. So, shall we call Jones' Theory: The Theory of the Incompetent Thermite Bombers Who Just Needed to Call Attention to their Handiwork by Pouring Molten Iron out of a Window. Or, maybe the Airplanes were really Hijacked by well-intentioned American Patriots who knew that the only way to expose the secret plot to destroy the WTC with Thermite was to fly a plane into the buildings at exactly where the Thermite was installed to hopefully cause some of its residue to fall out a window where the World could see it and certainly know that it was "molten iron" produced by thermite. Bless their souls.

Jones writes:
"Dramatic footage reveals yellow-to-white hot molten metal dripping from the South WTC Tower just minutes before its collapse: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=camerapla.... Photographs capture the same significant event, clearly showing liquid metal dropping from the South Tower, still hot as it nears the ground below:"
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/MoltenCloseup1.JPG http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/Molten2Low.JPG

"Who can deny that liquid, molten metal existed at the WTC disaster? The yellow color implies a molten-metal temperature of approximately 1000 oC."

Jones admits that: "We note that aluminum has many free electrons, so it reflects ambient light very well -- and it appears 'silvery'. Aluminum ... aluminum would appear silvery due to high reflectivity combined with low emissivity..."

Look at the shiny blocky highly reflective (silvery) solid masses that were produced from the falling (cooling) molten metal, seen in the bottom of the photo above right. Is it solid Iron, or solid Aluminum?

I believe that it may be possible to "prove" that the molten metal falling out of the WTC was aluminum based on its behavior (e.g., breaking up in the air, failure to "spark" white all around, and turning into a blocky silvery solid while falling). Aluminum is much less massive (dense) than iron, so molten aluminum will be more affected by air resistance than molten iron would be. See the horizontal shift of the falling molten metal in both of the photos above. (E.g., Aluminum would be broken up out of a poured stream (or blown to one side) sooner than heavier molten iron) Also, at any given temperature, molten iron would probably be differently viscuous or would have different surface tension than molten aluminum. Thus, it would visibly behave differently upon being poured of a window. The photos show molten metal pouring out of the WTC that appears to be somewhat widely dispersed (and shifted horizontally) by wind and air resistance, suggesting that it is lighter than iron. [It just does not quite "look" like a stream of heavy liquid iron.] Experimentation or simulation could prove or disprove this hypothesis.

Keep in mind also that Jones is oblivious that hot (molten) Iron Burns spontaneously in air.

Another problem with Jones' theory that this falling molten metal is "iron" (and not aluminum) is that IF it were IRON, at the temperature of melted iron, some of it would probably have constantly been seen exploding/flashing/burning into bright white Light upon being released as small particles in the air. "The smith's fire contains too much oxygen to allow iron to melt; as it approaches its melting point the iron burns instead." http://www.osv.org/cgi-bin/CreatePDF.php?/tour/index.php?L=12&PDF=Y

Read Faraday's demonstration of moderately heated iron particles burning in air, producing "scintillations".
"I have here a circular flame of spirit of wine, and with it I am about to show you the way in which iron burns, because it will serve very well as a comparison between the effect produced by air and oxygen. If I take this ring flame, I can shake, by means of a sieve, the fine particles of iron filings through it, and you will see the way in which they burn. [The lecturer here shook through the flame some iron filings, which took fire and fell through with beautiful scintillations.]" http://www.fordham.edu/HALSALL/MOD/1859Faraday-forces.html
Absent constant bright White "flashes" of burning iron droplets/particles, it more probably was aluminum at or near its melting temperature. I have "poured" molten aluminum that I got by melting scrap in a wood-fire, short distances, and that did not readily produce flashes of light (maybe because it cools down faster in cold air than it can oxidize), although it theoretically can. (molten aluminum is fairly tame) I have not "poured" molten iron, but see this photo showing the smaller iron droplets burning bright WHITE in air during even a very short pouring operation at a foundry:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/features/askaway/industrial/images/iron270.jpg

And see here, the veritable fireworks of hot iron particles diverging and exploding into white light/flashes during a pour:

http://www.ship-technology.com/contractor_images/daros/Castingclose-2.jpg
"In the foundry. The cast iron is being poured into the sand mould."

http://www.ship-technology.com/contractors/propulsion/daros/daros4.html

And, see all the bright white sparks flying in this series of photographs of an iron pour:
http://www.taylor.org/~argus/all/burn/00/second_roll/iron_pour/

Dante observed and wrote about this commonplace property of poured molten Iron, in his The Divine Comedy:
"I could not endure it long, but enough to see him sparkle all round, like iron poured, molten, from the furnace. And suddenly, it seemed that day was added to day, as though He who has the power, had equipped Heaven with a second sun." http://www.tonykline.co.uk/PITBR/Italian/DantPar1to7.htm
This video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=camerapla.... noted by Jones does show a few reluctant "sparkles", (which of course could also be consistent with aluminum particle flashes), but does not quite show the constant "sparkle all around" that would be expected (by Dante) from poured molten iron at the temperature of 1000C claimed by Jones.
Also, more definitely, the falling molten material clearly turns into a silver colored (highly reflective) (flat, blocky) solid material after it cools (as soon as it stops glowing) after falling down a number of stories (strongly suggesting aluminum metal, not iron). Solid iron is generally not that highly reflective without polishing, but aluminum is. [Molten iron would probably not loose its glow and convert into a solid so quickly, since it does not conduct heat as well as aluminum and because it would be formed much hotter than molten aluminum.
Also, iron would be expected to coalesce into a rounder clump while falling before solidifying. [Shot towers are used to form iron ball-bearings, and lead musket balls, out of poured molten metal. But, there is no indication that aluminum can be formed into round balls by this method, perhaps because it cools down to quickly] If the "shot tower" behavior of iron (forming sperical balls of molten iron before solidifying) holds with larger amounts of poured iron, then the molten metal pouring out of the WTC, IF IT WERE IRON WOULD HAVE FORMED CANON-BALL SHAPED gobs of molten metal before it cooled down and solidified.
The falling metal pieces formed by that pour out the window

The falling metal pieces formed by that pour out the window of the WTC tower are clearly NOT ROUND and are very elongated, or flat, indicating a very rapid cooling of the falling poured (aluminum) metal. [These distinctions can be readily proved or disproved by experimentation or calculation]. Jones does not comment upon the silvery flat, blocky, (not round) metal pieces visible falling in the photo frames in his own thesis.

The NISC report seems to agree:
"The composition of the flowing material can only be the subject of speculation, but its behavior suggests it could have been molten aluminum." (p. 375)
There is of course the possiblity that the falling molten metal was some other material from the airplane or offices other than aluminium or iron. But, I believe that there is enough information from the video to scientifically determine its approximate denisty and also its Specific Heat, its melting/solidifying temperature, and its thermal conductivity. The latter determinations could be based on standard formulas used to determine cooling rates due to "forced convection."
"Bah. This guy has been debunked all over the web. Professor Stephen Jones is wrong."

http://www.answers.com/topic/steven-e-jones linked from http://reddit.com/info/48t1/comments

"A few department chairmen at Jones' university have issued critical statements, though none of these has yet addressed any of the points which Jones made in his paper and at his presentation at BYU. Chairman of the BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Dr. Miller, is on record stating in an e-mail, "I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims."

About Professor Jones, assocated with the so-called "9-11 Scholars" website, I previously wrote (to him) substantially the following assessment of his wacky half-baked theories about thermite and molten iron:

Speaking as an engineer of high academic achievment, I am shocked that Brigham Young University has employed an ignorant moron of such epic and treasonous proportions. I will be further shocked if he is not removed promptly from his position of trust and confidence. It has been my understanding that the Latter Day folks are a close knit group who watch out that their members far and wide do not embarrass the community. In other words, it is my hope that the Latter Days will take the initiative to contact the leadership at BYU so that justice to the truth may be served.

Excerpt of published assertions by BYU professor Jones:
"Jones argues that the WTC buildings did not collapse due to impact or fires caused by the jets hitting the towers but collapsed as a result of pre-positioned "cutter charges." Proof, he says, includes:

. Molten metal was found in the subbasements of WTC sites weeks after 9/11; the melting point of structural steel is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit and the temperature of jet fuel does not exceed 1,800 degrees. Molten metal was also found in the building known as WTC7, although no plane had struck it. Jones's paper also includes a photo of a slag of the metal being extracted from ground zero. The slag, Jones argues, could not be aluminum from the planes because in photographs the metal was salmon-to-yellow-hot temperature (approximately 1,550 to 1,900 degrees F) "well above the melting temperatures of lead and aluminum," which would be a liquid at that temperature.

.... No steel-frame, high-rise buildings have ever before or since been brought down due to fires. Temperatures due to fire don't get hot enough for buildings to collapse, he says."
Having seen first hand the rubble of the WTC on the night of September 11, 2001, I can tell you there was fire and fires everywhere around the scene, and fumes rose steadily from the "piles" after the collapse, and fumes continued to rise from the piles when I went back to Ground Zero over a week later. As I described it " I saw a hellish vapor slowly rising everywhere from the rubble like something out of Dante [Inferno]." See: While Leaving Ground Zero - September 11, 2002 http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=4108 (Note, I am not the same "Mark Ferran" as the NYC fireman by that name, and we have never met) When I first heard about the fires in the WTC buildings that morning, I said to myself, in my office, that the metal must be getting very hot. When I later saw the images of smoke and fire billowing out of those buildings, I knew they would not stand. After they fell, the huge piles of iron beams and combustible materials formed two enormous furnaces, comprising burning office materials, burning metal, and burning human flesh (not to mention many tons of combustible aircraft aluminum and iron, i.e., thermite) which over the course of several weeks and months. It was widely reported that the temperature (e.g., measured by infra red imaging from above) in the interior of the piles INCREASED in the weeks after the collapse of the towers, due quite obviously to the combustion of combustible matter in these large furnaces.
The moron employed at BYU seems to have no conception of the nature of a furnace, no concept of the fact that metals burn, and seems to be unable to comprehend that there were much combustible materials in the piles from the collapsed buildings OTHER THAN what the airplanes brought in.
"[W]hile the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper [and humans, and aluminum of the planes]. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F [even before the buildings collapsed]." The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down." http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=4&c=y
Even ordinary dry WOOD (charcoal) in a large enough furnace, is capable of melting iron:
www.uky.edu/.../BigSinking/ Furnace/furnace.htm

While a mixture of aluminum and (oxygen and iron) (e.g., rust) called "Thermite" is capable of producing molten iron, evidently, a combination of metalic Iron and Oxygen (or Carbon Monoxide) is itself capable of melting iron in a large pile furnace. Large piles of pure iron dust are capable of "burning" themselves into a molten mass solely due to the heat of combustion of the iron itself. Iron itself is a combustible material (and is commonly used in powder form to warm hands and feet in little packs sold at Wal-Mart etc., and in MREs).

It is certainly known to be possible for ordinary hydrocarbon fuels (like oil, gasoline or jetfuel) alone to destroy heavy iron and iron-concrete structures, as in the case of the Bridgeport gas tanker fire which destroyed a highway overpass formed of large iron I-beams and concrete. http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t3161.html ("a fiery tanker truck [carrying 12,000 gallons of fuel oil ] melted a bridge on Interstate 95" in Massachusetts) See also http://www.oe.netl.doe.gov/docs/eads/ead032604.doc

I believe that these photos (below, and seven images at EHOWA) fairly illustrate the type of expansion, distortion and yielding that most likely happened to destroy some of the iron columns supporting the enormous weight of the World Trade Centers' top 30+/- floors.

http://images.ehowa.com/alabamatruck/alabamatruck1.jpg

The iron columns of the WTC towers did not "melt" in the scientific sense of the word, but they certainly EXPANDED (due to heat), and yielded (due to the enormous pressure caused by their own thermal expansion). Just turn these above pictures from horizontal to vertical, and think what would happen if that beam were instead a column holding up a heavy building. (Look at the distorted iron, heated by ordinary hydrocarbon fuel burning, and keep in mind what Professor Jones said: "almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail." ) Also note how the metal of the fuel tank itself so completely disintegrated. (see the other photos at at EHOWA ). It's tank may have been made of flammable aluminum metal, like the skin and structure of a jetliner, or of stainless steel. I believe that the fires confined inside the world trade center towers could have been much hotter than this fairly "open air" (unconfined) gasoline fire, due to the greater containment of the heat-of-combustion by the ceilings, floors and debris in the burning WTC towers. See http://www.zmag.org/interactive/content/display_item.cfm?itemID=3944

The False Leaders of the so-called "9-11 Truth" movement typically do not understand or don't acknowledge the power of ordinary FIRE nor the known weaknesses and behaviors of iron exposed to fire, and they peddle their false explanations of occurrences to people even more ignorant than them. They are the blind leading the blind. Most of the uneducated people (e.g., WebFairy, Lisa Guliani, Victor Thorne etc.) selling videos books, etc., claiming that "fire could not have destroyed the WTC towers" are just pathological liars who will tell any lie to take a buck from the gullible.

Furthermore, there is no such thing as a "maximum temperature" for the combustion of any dry fuel. If you raise the temperature of a dry fuel, like paper, or wood paneling, or charred flesh, and then expose it to oxygen, its temperature will INCREASE, not remain the same. Duh!!! The bigger the furnace, the higher the temperature of the unburned fuel gets before it combines with oxygen, and thus still higher will its temperature

be when it finally combusts. "Temperature" inside of a furnace system is solely a function of how much heat enters the system versus how much leaves the system, over time, and not a function of the type of fuel. Insulation, or a large enough mass, slows the exit of heat from the system. (Note: melting things removes energy from a system) A large pile of debris forms an insulating furnace retaining much of the heat of combustion, raising the internal temperature, evidently high enough to melt iron. That is how the ancients used piles to make and refine and melt iron from ore.

It is shocking that a "professor" would assume that molten iron found weeks or months later in the bowels of a huge pile of continuously burning debris (containing tons of combustible iron and other materials) would have to have been generated at the very begining of the fire, or even before the pile was formed. It is even more nonsensical for him to presume that a molten metal supposedly formed before the buildings collapsed would remain molten for months without some subsequent source of heat being applied to it. And, it is totally absurd for him to presume that a molten (liquid) metal supposedly formed in the top floors before the buildings collapsed (his "thermite" theory) would remain both molten and intact after it fell 70+ stories in a chaotic collapse while even more solid objects (bones, concrete, flesh) were obliterated on the way down. The "professor" also seems to be oblivious that (aircraft) aluminum is itself a high-energy fuel, that would not be found in bright molten form weeks later (because it burns continuously when molten and exposed to air). (They use Aluminum metal as fuel to propel the Space Shuttle into Orbit around the Earth).

Also apparent, is that the so-called "professor" is incompetent or lazy in the use of search engines, such as Google. On this very subject, I wrote this back in 2001:
"Furthermore, if it is true that "pools of molten steel" were found in the (basement of) remains of the WTC twin towers, this molten material probably began to form and accumulate days AFTER THE COLLAPSE of the tower, when the huge mass of material trapped the heat of slowed combustion that continued within the pile. I saw the fumes of combustion folks, the piles were slowly burning after the buildings collapsed. Everyone with the slightest recollection of the events knows this. Even a huge pile of iron filings will form a red-hot fused mass of metal because the heat produced internally by rusting will build up in the pile. Any combustible material in the "piles" of the WTC that was exposed to heat and to any amount of infiltrating air (oxygen) would contribute to hot-spots. All of the conjectures that say the steel formed before the buildings collapsed are ignorant and preposterous. The Steel in the rubble of the WTC melted, if at all, because of the enormous size of the piles and presence of much combustible materials in them, not merely because of the burning of jet fuel. Those who say otherwise are either lying, or are overlooking something fundamental. While jet fuel flame burning in OPEN AIR will may not maintain the temperature you need to melt steel, if you inject any fuel mixed with air into a huge porous mass that cannot rapidly release the built-up heat of combustion, you will produce a furnace capable of melting steel or practically any other metal. An open flame rapidly dissipates the heat of combustion, but a furnace conserves and accumulates the heat of combustion. Any fuel will produce this effect in the appropriate furnace. Its like the difference between the heat of an open wood-flame of a single stick burning in open air, compared to the (steel-melting) white-hot heat produced in the bottom of a large pile of wood and burning wood-coals. This is also the principle by which large piles of organic materials (e.g., saw-dust, leaves, hay) will spontaneously begin to burn- the heat of decay builds up inside them. "No matter which mechanism is involved, the oxidation reaction will generate heat. If there is some form of insulation, which is usually provided by the mass of the material itself, the heat cannot be dissipated. Because the heat is not dissipated, the temperature of the material increases. The increase in temperature will in turn increase the rate at which the oxidation reaction occurs, which in turn will increase the amount of heat generated, and so on. This increase after increase continues until either the heat is dissipated some way [e.g. by melting steel], or the material reaches its ignition temperature and starts to burn. (the same basic process occurs in stored green bio-mass materials such as hay, saw dust, corn cobs, etc. but the heat is generated by the life process of micro-organisms)." http://bifrost.unl.edu/ehs/ChemicalInfo/flamsol.html "

"This scientific principle of a furnace, understood by primitive humans since the bronze age, could potentially destroy the credibility of anyone who forwards and endorses the erroneous theories (e.g., "nuclear" bombs). You are literally playing with fire by promoting such bogus theories. People, for the sake of our country, and out of respect for those who died at the WTC, please do not promote or forward those Urban Legends.

"I am sorry if my words are harsh, but I do not have much patience for people who are either irresponsible for forgetting what they themselves saw, who pretend to understand physical principles that they have not studied or otherwise have no competence in, or who are simply liars who are out to make a reputation by misrepresenting to others what happened on September 11, 2001. Everyone with common sense knows that two commercial air planes hit and burned inside the towers and caused the towers to break and to fall. Mark R. Ferran BSEE scl JD mcl http://billstclair.com/ferran/index.html

http://www.zmag.org/interactive/content/display_item.cfm?itemID=3944

I am aware that there are millions of science-ignorant people and some total morons walking around America babbling about the World Trade Center (and I have tried in vein to address this http://www.zmag.org/interactive/content/display_item.cfm?itemID=3944 ) , but when a "professor" who knows that he has no formal education nor any practical education in the science of chemistry, combustion, nor of metallurgy, nor of the Strength of materials decides to spew his ignorant reckless notions as scientific "FACTS" to the gullible volatile public at a time of crisis, I feel that his reckless conduct warrants extreme and swift punishment. Professor Jones has also misrepresented the significance of the "Law of Entropy" to bolster his false claims. Given the tendancy of this professor's misrepresentations to give aide, comfort, and encouragement to those who have overtly declared Jihad against our pathetic country, (and who must be able to recruit more jihadists just by laughing at our domestic morons) I would be satisfied to see this "professor" tried, convicted, and executed for Treason. He breached a Trust in time of WAR. Jones' reckless remarks will probably kill as many Americans as President Bush's misuse of the word "Crusade" has and will.

I have never heard of a single NYC fireman doubting that a fire of the proportion of those in the towers could destroy such a building that was not designed to withstand such an enormous fire. See, e.g., http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/vallebunoa.html ("We thought 7 World Trade Center was going to fall").

I think it is preposterous for anyone to assume that a tall building or any conventional material or mode of construction can not fall down if you fly a large fuel-laden airplane into it at more than 500 miles per hour.

In summary, we have a moron posing as President, and now we have morons posing as "Professors" too. No wonder that the people of the world increasingly find it necessary to destroy US for their own preservation.

Mark Ferran BSEE scl JD mcl
www.billstclair.com/ferran

P.S.
Snopes may be a good starting point for information to counter some of the Anti-American 9-11 propaganda (e.g., from the French):

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm