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more propaganda nonsense:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060707/ap_on_re_us/new_york_tunnels_plot

And what of this?

http://www.911myths.com/html/what_s_new_.html

Not related to 9/11, but...

See http://www.elbow-room.org/

Is the UN moving to Oklahoma?

Advanced research has been done. Architectural renderings are underway. Top UN staff have been involved preliminarily. All UN ambassadors were notified of this effort two days ago. This web site is just now up and running, and the "commercial" will be aired on national and international TV over the next two weekends.

Mssr. Jouet--

The UN is moving to Oklahoma because it provides a better central location from which to launch black helicopters manned by reptilians that will poison the nation with fluoride chemtrails. :)

Does anybody know if the bin Laden construction company does controlled demolition?

From all accounts, there are only a handful of companies in the world qualified to do large scale controlled demolitions; I don't think the job would be left to a domestic company like Controlled Demolition, Inc., but maybe I'm just not cynical enough yet....

IMO, most hard-core rightwingers will never see/accept that 9/11 was an inside. They are merely pigheaded robots.

We must somehow get the leftwingers on board with us on 9/11 truth a.s.a.p.!!!

Nothing "dark" about this room.

We're effectively yelling this from every street corner, Mr. Cockburn.

Still love ya, Alexander. But your behavior on this topic has been rather frustrating for years now.

"Right Wingers".... I haven't a clue what's rattling around in their heads anymore.

But I don't need any "Lefties" bringing their Bill of Goods along either.

What somebigguy said, "a little courage and some brains in their heads"....... that's who I wan't joining up for this side of the showdown.

What is particularly odious about this piece is that, despite Allen's declarations of having spent months conducting "a fact-by-fact dissection of a few key aspects of this hypothesis", she spends the entirety of the piece glossing over the troubling particulars, offering only the most superficial of overviews and most glib of dismissals.

Buildling 7? Oh, that building collapsed at practically free-fall speeds because of fire fueled by 42,000 gallons of diesel fuel near ground zero. Unfortunately, the sprinkler systems failed, a fact that stubborn conspiracy theorists refuse to acknowledge.

If a 42,000 gallon diesel fuel tank had caught fire- it would not have fueled distributed fires across the building, but instead would have exploded massively outward, an explosion that would not have gone unnoticed by the thousands in the area, and that would've been seized upon by FEMA in explaining the buildling collapse. Yet FEMA itself declared: "Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence.

And they buttress their arguments with some of the crappiest photo-retouches since the WTC Tourist Guy.

Particularly infuriating is her outright lie that no engineers embrace theories of controlled demolition- when there is a veritable army of them, including Steven Jones, Jim Hoffman, Kevin Ryan, and Jeff King.

I wish she would have the intellectual integrity to at least invite David Ray Griffin or any of the Truth movement engineers to respond to her article. Unlike many articles, which seem authored from ignorance, her's seems to be a different species- intentionally deceptive. She can not have spent months investigating controlled demolition theories and not have encountered the aforementioned engineers (which she implies do not exist and/or are not known by David Griffin). Either she is being dishonest about the rigor of her own investigation, or she is being dishonest about her findings.

Here's to hoping David Ray Griffin offers an article in reply called, "The 9/11 Faith Movement Article- Distortions and Omissions"...

somebigguy--

Gotta disagree with you; was it just politics when Tories and Revolutionaries fought each other?

You might have a case for saying that the Democrat/Republican split is a difference without a distinction a lot of the time, or that issues like race and sexuality are exploited to keep us divided and weakened, but there's a big difference between a philosophy that advocates rule of the wealthy enforced by a powerful military and police state and a democracy or republic governed by consent of the people and that serves the people. Mao and Stalin weren't lefties anymore than Hitler was really a socialist. They were all totalitarians who ruled by force; they did not distribute the wealth of their nations to the people or allow the people to control the means of production.

On the same note, I just heard Alfons from Veterans for 9/11 Truth claim in an interview on some show called "X-Zone" that the Bush cabal and the neoconservatives are actually Bolshevik communists! That's how confused our understanding of political ideologies has become. Trotskyites, maybe, but Bolshevik communists? Come on.

disinfo agent: Look none of the people you mentioned are structural engineers.

What infuriates me is that she quotes Griffin saying it would be physically impossible for fire to cause the buildings to fall the way they did and follows that up with the bit about the engineers but does not mention the specific features of the collapse that lead Griffin to think the explanation of fire is wrong. She does not mention the rate of collapse, the pulverization of the concrete, or the fact that NIST found the temperature of the fires to be too low to weaken the steel.

"We don't need left wingers or right wingers, we need people with a little courage and some brains in their heads to join us. The left vs right nonsense is nothing but another technique to keep us fighting amongst each other rather than those in power that we should be fighting.
I'm delivering crap loads of flyers this weekend, everyone else, please do the same.
somebigguy | Homepage | 07.07.06 -" 1:58 pm | #

Ok, so I was generalizing a little. Of course we'll take anyone's help at this point.

(But I don't see righties even holding the Bush regime liable for negligence or incompetence. Many of them would probably vote for him in 2008 if they could. No so with lefties.)

Hey timbermonkey, maybe at one time, being a lefty or a righty made a difference, but these days, they just steal the election and put in whoever they want in charge anyway. The left vs. right debate is nothing but a charade these days.

Its us vs. them now, we gotta stop playing by their rules.

Good points^ timbermonkey.

Timbermonkey: See footnote 20 in David Ray Griffin's article "The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True." This footnote concerns Mark Loizeau, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., who said that a demolition must be completely planned, using the right explosives and the right pattern of placing the charges so that no nearby structures are harmed when the building comes down. Loizeau continued with the further observation that after he saw the fires in the twin towers, he knew that the towers were going to pancake down vertically because it was the only way they could fail. Griffin notes that this statement is a cause for wonder, given the fact that fire had never before caused a steel-frame building to collapse. Controlled Demolition, Inc. was hired to remove the steel from the WTC site after 9/11.

A couple top stories today....

NY bomb plot thwarted:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/reuters/topNews?m=33345

London police warn of more bombings:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/reuters/topNews?m=33341

is there ever a day now where there isn't a terrorist threat in the headlines? Be afraid!

F*cking worst acctack in U.S. history & the Bush regime was not even properly scolded on it. Should've been impeached & in prison on gross negligence, let alone the slightest LIHOP or MIHOP.

CB re: nyc bombing plot thwarted...

Aint it funny that it was michael chertoff who decided to cut off anti-terrorism fundings toward NYC...why all of a sudden a change of heart?

sbg:

I'll agree to disagree for now. It's a debate for another time and place, anyway....

They should rename their magazine to "In These Fascist Times". Today I received a 0% offer from HSBC bank until July of 2007. (Next year on this date it will be 7/7/7) But instead of sending their pre-approved form in their postage paid envelope I sent the following.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_22290.shtml

say what you will about the Kennedys,but Robert Kennedy jr. was on Charlie Rose last night and verbally murdered the Bush administration. i highly suggest you watch it, its not 9/11 related, but it was one of the most inspiring things ive ever seen in the mainstream media. he talked about the stolen elections and how fucking weak the media is.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4637109880655301000&q=robert+ke...

Vanity Fair covers 9/11 Conspiracies in its latest issue:

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/flipbook.html

Anybody on the west coast want to pick one up and let us know what it says?

They went very large on that "bombing plot thwarted" story today in NYC here. Numerous tv stations pre-empted much of their morning programs for lengthy news conferences about it.

Vanity Fair covers 9/11 Conspiracies in its latest issue:

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazi...e/ flipbook.html

Anybody on the west coast want to pick one up and let us know what it says?
Seve B | 07.07.06 - 2:42 pm | #
this issue isnt out yet is it?

sorry CHRIS it was dsm who made the comment.

1,000 pardons

this issue isnt out yet is it?
Chris | Homepage | 07.07.06 - 2:56 pm | #

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It is my understanding that this issue is currently only on news stands on the west coast.

"is there ever a day now where there isn't a terrorist threat in the headlines? Be afraid!"

Yeah, and at some point I think they'll have to sadly follow through with one.

I can see it now, "my fellow Americans, after many prior foiled attempts, I am afraid to tell you that Al Qaeda has struck America once again...They hate our freedoms, they hate our way of life...America has let you down, we will not let you down again...starting immediately we will have national guard troops in every city, in every community...to protect our homeland, to protect our citizens, to protect our freedoms."

check this out Anonymous(and i urge anyone who thinks Flight 77 hit the Pentagon to watch this, and give me your thoughts):

Crash of Flight 77 - 911 Witnesses at the Pentagon on September 11th

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6317630216235657870

thanks Frank. and DBLS, keep Caught In A Hustle and Land of the Gun on your soundclick page there as long as you can, im a huge Immortal Technique fan and cant get those songs anywhere else.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6317630216235657870

and please remember USA Todays history with the CIA and mockingbird type shit etc. when watching it.
Chris | Homepage | 07.07.06 - 12:16 pm | #

Heh, nice and very enlightening clip Chris. :)

http://clips.mediamatters.org/static/video/hannity-20060705-wmd.mov

"The biggest story to the lead up of the war."

Remember that when people say it wasn't about WMD.

no Flight 77 believers wanna watch it huh?

I see people referring to NPR radio. Personally I am very suspect about there integrity. I have a hunch the CIA control it.

Chris:

yes, its a mixtape called PORTABLE IMMORTAL

"no Flight 77 believers wanna watch it huh?"

I watched it. What are his sources on all of this information? Does he honestly expect that we will take the time to look it up?

Incidentally, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but doesn't it make sense that people who work in Washington D.C. (the people he described for the most part) would be the ones to be "witnesses"?

Is this the 2nd crash the President is looking at?

This would be AFTER the goat story, just BEFORE the pre-scheduled press conference?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/attack-response/images/photo-02.jpg

video tape?

Looks like it, looks much like the video tape where the one tower is hidden behind the other tower, and you see a fire ball shoot to the left, from the hidden tower. It seems he is looking at that video right when the smoke from the fireball goes over the towers.

From: Carol Brouillet
Date: July 7, 2006 3:33:18 PM PDT
To: tallen@igc.org
Subject: [bloggerbrigade] The 9/11 Truth Movement

Regarding your article in "In These Times" on "The 9/11 Faith Movement"

Dear Terry,

I was dismayed to read your "debunking" of the 9/11 Truth Movement
with such poor logic, evidence, and reasoning. Having marched on my
senators demanding a Congressional Investigation of 9/11 in January
2002, I can attest to a concerted effort on the part of the government
to lie about 9/11, destroy evidence, and cover-up the crime, while
using it as a foundation for all their horrendous, illegal, immoral
policies and actions since 9/11.

You selectively ignored the powerful evidence accumulated over the
years which rip the official narrative to shreds. I cannot understand
why you choose to believe the 'self-serving government conspiracy
theory' which is unsubstantiated over the more rational case for
complicity, well laid out by David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones, Nafeez
Ahmed, Paul Thompson and others.

Cheney like Napoleon believes "Truth doesn't have to be
suppressed,
just delayed until it doesn't matter anymore." Journalists supporting
the "Big Lie" of 9/11 delay the truth, and impede the growing
resistance to the Global Police State being constructed under the guise
of a bogus war on terrorism. 9/11 was a false flag operation, state
sponsored terrorism, a hoax, an inside job, and the Achilles Heel of
the current regime. You would serve Truth, Justice, People and planet
if you took your critical lens and actually applied it to the
government cover-up.

Carol Brouillet
Green Congressional Candidate in California District 14, on a 9/11
Truth, Impeachment, Peace, Justice, Ecological Wisdom platform

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But, Comrade, maybe the Internet is actually the ideal weapon of choice for the DoD. Maybe they sync it directly to an intelligence meter. Now they know where to find the 'bleeding-hearts,' the Liberterians, the Constitutionalists, and all these other confused and helpless would-be competetors.

Nice letter. I like Carol B., after speaking to her on the phone. But here comes Mr. Deception Dollars, and pretty soon you have an entire chat room full of sitting ducks.

Lately, I've tried to keep an eye on the flows of global finance. It's so absurdly out of control. Here comes Hillary, ready to 'save the Nation' with 'affordable Health Care,' but the truth is as plain as the pimple on her nose. Why would we even think it conceivable to march forward under the existing form of electorial rules?

Even total systemic upheval would not necessarily have to become a bloody messy process, given that Any faction could agree to some base-line rules.

There is no rule of Law in America, and that's our #1 Export and (unfortunately) our #1 asset too.

^ Exactly man, left vs right is all divide and conquer bullsh!t.
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 07.07.06 - 3:38 pm | #
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i agree

one dimensional thinking in a multi-dimensional universe

I watched it. What are his sources on all of this information? Does he honestly expect that we will take the time to look it up?

Incidentally, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but doesn't it make sense that people who work in Washington D.C. (the people he described for the most part) would be the ones to be "witnesses"?
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.07.06 - 8:48 pm | #
if it supported your theory that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, would you look it up then?

if it was indeed a false flag attack, it would make sense to have "reliable witnesses" in place to form the "official narrative". USAToday has a history of playing nice with the CIA.

"if it supported your theory that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, would you look it up then?"

I doubt it. Richard Grove's information has come out, and I've barely looked at it. It's not because I'm not interested in what he has to say, I just think the people that have done their time in the research world, should devote their time to getting the word out. Of course newcomers will look at information. People who need to reassure themselves that what we're saying and doing is right will do the research.

I'm past that point.

see leftgatekeepers.com, to begin to get a handle on the whitewashing of 911 by most all of the so-called "alternative media".

It's time to expose the media corruption, as well as 911.....

Oh, and another point. Somebody should survey the "leading lights" of the left to see if they are even open to the idea of another investigation.

To my way of thinking, evidence of coverups and evidence of determination NOT to even consider serious efforts into understanding scandals (in general, not just 911), practically constitutes evidence of the primary crime, itself.

Put more simply, if there's nothing to cover up, then why do so?

It's time to expose the media corruption, as well as 911.....
sl | 07.08.06 - 1:15 pm | #
they go hand in hand, and i WISH the various 9/11 documentaries that were made included segments about the media structure in this country and how fucked it is.only Hufschmid has done it so far. i say this all the time, but you should ALWAYS include the problems with the media when talking to someone about 9/11. i cant tell you how many times ive heard people say "but why isnt the media asking these questions? why didnt CNN or someone cover what your telling me?".thats why i cant wait for Zwickers book, because hes a media critic and its about 9/11 AND the media.anybody know when it comes out?

I'm past that point.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.08.06 - 10:05 am | #
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“High on a hillside, trucks are loading
everything's ready to roll

I sleep in the daytime, I work in the nightime
I might not ever get home”

It's time to expose the media corruption, as well as 911.....
sl | 07.08.06 - 1:15 pm | #

they go hand in hand, and i WISH the various 9/11 documentaries that were made included segments about the media structure in this country and how fucked it is.
Chris | Homepage | 07.08.06 - 2:36 pm | #

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It must be done otherwise we may all be fucked in the end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

"This ain't no party, this ain't no disco
this ain't no fooling around
This ain't no mudd club, or C. B. G. B.
I ain't got time for that now"

In regards to the media, there are a number of articles here:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?showforum=223

More on the media here:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23073

http://911u.org/CoDR/graphics/2heads,sameMonster.gif

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