What Would It Take?
Reprehensor Thu, 07/27/2006 - 9:19am
I'm trying (yet again) to write something that will reach people resistant to the idea that 9/11 is an inside job.
If you've got a couple of minutes, please read this and tell me (1) if you think it will reach newbies and (2) how to improve it.
The finished essay (after your input) we'll replace this post. Thanks for your help!
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Adding to convince people
Adding to convince people about 9/11;Ask them questions in a manner that would make them curious.
Last year My daughter and her friend did a school project in which they asked people about hypothetical situations and how they think the Constitution would apply to the situation. some of these people got angry because they felt as if they were being interrogated.Others knew absolutely nothing at all about the Constitution.
Ask them about the Patriot Act.is there a reason why it was needed? Does it stop terrorism? If so,how? What did We need a Homeland security for? After all,we had a Department of Defense,An FBI, a DEA,a CIA,a NSA,and a FEMA,a Navy,an Army,Marines,and Airforce,Coast Guard,and National Guard,Norad,an FAA,and Nuclear Weapons.
But We needed a Homeland Security? Lots of New Orleans people can tell you how good this agency is(not).
Don't these two things alone make you wonder if it was needed to make sure people don't ask hard questions about the 9/11 Commision report and spying on our own citizens would be an indicator to how they justify these critical organizations and law?
Tell them to connect the
Tell them to connect the dots...
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
Tell them to flounder in
Tell them to flounder in ignorance, it's kinda fun to watch.
It's a IQ test of sorts.
:lol:
GW: I suggest two things
GW: I suggest two things that may aid in your bombardment.
One: The coverup by the media. Perhaps not that blatent of a coverup, judging from the media footage on various 9/11 dvds from the day of the attacks show that news crews did there job and acted as real journalists during the horrifying attack. But after the attack, when we wanted to know who did this they told us immediately that the taliban (was it even al queda?) and osama had sent 19 men to hijack airplanes. In that state of shock and awe, I gladly accepted this thesis, not daring to question it. The events so horrifying and the explanation was right there.
But thinking back on what I know now about the media's willingness to favor the administration, distort, build up and consistently represent a conservative ideology, I am forced to question whether or not they presented all the facts about what happened, glossed over anomalies or just otherwise distort or sensationalize the news. They wrapped it up in a neat little package and we went back to work (went shopping!) and we got on with our lives.
The point is: nowadays no sane person I know watches the tv news or gleans any "information" presented on it without assuming some kind of right-wing spin. Back then that's where we all got the news of the day and accepted it unquestionably. We didn't have the quality or quantity of immediately available alternative news sources. The media was the same then as it was now. Aside from the often admirable reporting on the day of 9/11, the corporate news media mezmerized us with the official 9/11 narrative and we didn't question the source as fiercely as we all do now.
http://zfacts.com/p/139.html
Two: Look at this PNAC-esque document relating to the current Israel-Palestinian-Lebanese-Hezbollah crisis. It is signed by Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser and others I don't recognize. Here are some quotes:
"Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon"
"striking SyriaÂ’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan."
"striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper."
"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right"
"Since Iraq's future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly, it would be understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting the Hashemites [ed: or americans?] in their efforts to redefine Iraq"
"Were the Hashemites to control Iraq, they could use their influence over Najf to help Israel wean the south Lebanese Shia away from Hizballah, Iran, and Syria."
"Change the nature of its relations with the Palestinians, including upholding the right of hot pursuit for self defense into all Palestinian areas"
9/11 was the catalyst for plans set in motion a decade ago at the earliest to remake the middle east and feed the industrial military complex.
9/11- Cui Bono?
9/11- Cui Bono?
Maybe it is an idea to lauch
Maybe it is an idea to lauch false flag actions!
A flyer with only the text "YOU ARE BRAINWASHED" add an URL to a "Neo-con" website. I already made such a site and am thinking about lauching false flag actions in Holland
Frank B
http://www.mediablackout.nl
Many believe that the US
Many believe that the US gov't is infalable and not capeable of false flag terrorism. Discuss 1898 Spanish American War - US Sinking of Maine blamed on Spain, Gulf of Tonkin as a pretext for Vietnam and Opp Northwoods. These are only the ones we KNOW about. Spend some time on "fromthewilderness.com" and learn that the war on drugs was a fabrication too.
Neo-cons think we need war to create a strong society. They like ambiguos enemies that can't be defeated and warrent expansion of military and gov't like a "war on terror".
Think about it. How does one wage "war on terror"? The very sentence is an oxymoron.
let's say I didn't comply
let's say I didn't comply with your distraction. Would you promote the No Plane Theory?
http://www.911closeup.com/
Stephen Colbert has a NEW
Stephen Colbert has a NEW FORUM -- POST 9/11 INFO TO MASS AUDIENCE OF
NEW PEOPLE. This is a GREAT opportunity to educate new people and get them
involved in the 9/11 truth seeking movement. Join the new forum below,
and urge your 9/11 contacts to do the same.
Join his new forum at: http://www.colbertnation.com/
If you don't have any 9/11 truth ammo at hand, there's plenty below you
can use:
TOP MILITARY, AERONAUTICS, PHYSICS, INTELLIGENCE EXPERTS SAYING "9/11
WAS AN INSIDE US GOVT. JOB TO FOOL AMERICANS INTO ENDLESS OIL WARS:
Former Chief Economist under George Bush, and professor at Texas A&M,
“Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of
facts associated with the collapses of WTC 1 (North Tower), WTC 2 (South
Tower), and the much-overlooked collapse of the 47-story WTC building 7 at 5:21
pm on that fateful day . . . If demolition destroyed three steel
skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an "inside job" and a
government attack on America would be compelling.” -- Morgan Reynolds.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
Former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S.
Air Force, under President Reagan, and combat fighter pilot
“ . . . we’ve been lied to not only about the war, but about 9/11
itself. The Bush administration was warned. They were warned by the Clinton
Administration during the transition period, they were warned by the
intelligence agencies of eleven other nations, they were specifically
warned by one FBI agent that Moussawi was planning on flying a hijacked
airliner, “into the World Trade Center.” They ignored the warnings, more than
that, we have mounting evidence that _at least_, they made it impossible for
those planes to be intercepted.. . . My sisters and brothers, that is treason!
-- Col. Robert Bowman (Caltech Phd in aeronautics and nuclear
engineering).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900065571556128674
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bob_bowman_hanity_and_colmes.htm
Former CIA Intelligence Advisor to Reagan and George HW Bush and
founder of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity,
-- Ray McGovern is one of 100 signatories to a petition "which calls
for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that
people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed
9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."
http://www.americanscholarssymposium.org/info/presenters.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Researchers_questioning_the_official_accoun...
Former department head at UL (Underwriter Laboratories) the company
which certified the steel which went into the WTCs upon their construction,
and inspected it after the WTC collapses in 2001.
“ . . . the results of these tests appear to indicate that the
buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of
burning jet fuel.. . . I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not
melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown
[Dr. Hyman Brown] would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel
used in those buildings makes no sense at all.”-- Kevin Ryan
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041112144051451
Former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury Senior Research
Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Research Fellow at Stanford's
Independent Institute, and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal,
"I guess the real story about 9/11 is about what the people are
actually saying. IÂ’ve gotten hundreds of emails in response to my columns and
many of them talk about not getting the truth from the government or the media
about what really happened at the World Trade Center. I know many qualified
engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives.
In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give
their conclusions credibility."-- Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050908insidejob911#roberts
Canadian National Defense Minister,
Why did the President just sit in the schoolroom when he heard the
news? Why did he not acknowledge that he already knew what was going on? As a
former Minister of National Defense, when the news came out I had to wonder.
Why did airplanes fly around for an hour and a half without interceptors
being scrambled from Andrews [Air Force Base]? . . . With a quick action
alert they should have been there in five minutes or ten minutes. If not, as
the Minister of National Defense, which in the United States is the
Secretary of Defense, I would want to say "why not?" . . . I think the inquiry has
been very shallow and superficial. And I would like to see a much tougher
more in-depth inquiry. . . . why were some members of the Bin Laden family
allowed to fly out of the United States? Why? There are so many
questions. What is going wrong here? Or was there something going wrong? How much
did they actually know? And you get into very deep territory . . . I would
like to see someone in a position of authority ask these questions and
insist on getting answers? At least to why some of the things happened that seem
to be, for an ordinary person, inexplicable. -- the Honourable Paul Hellyer
http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/movies/Hellyer.mov
Minister for the Environment, and Member of Parliament (United Kingdom)
Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US
Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third
plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA
intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000
and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to
chase suspicious aircraft (AP, August 13 2002). It is a US legal requirement
that once an aircraft has moved significantly off its flight plan, fighter
planes are sent up to investigate.
. . . could US air security operations have been deliberately stood
down on September 11? If so, why, and on whose authority? The former US federal
crimes prosecutor, John Loftus, has said: "The information provided by
European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it
is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of
incompetence." -- Michael Meacher
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html
National Minister of Defense (Germany). Also, served as Minister of
Technology
Well, this is a big question because it happened in 2001 more than 60
times. That, fighter[s] went up to clear what has been done to airplanes
that showed some irregularities. At 9 11, four planes for two hours were
able to drive around, fly around even one hour in the direction going toward
the west and then turn around and then comeback. The military air force
was not able to interdict them. ItÂ’s [un]imaginable. And the whole story is
totally unclear what happened between the Federal Aviation Agency
(Administration) and NORAD . . . a covert operation. And this is a way
to influence, to brainwash the American people into long, long, ongoing
conflict with the Muslim world and all that you get to, for example the
oil companies, the last oil reserves which we need for the next decades
before the oil age is going out. -- Andreas Von Buelow
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825
Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces, and chief of the
department for General affairs in the Soviet Union 's ministry of
Defense, General
“The organizers of [the nine eleven] attacks were the political and
business circles interested in destabilizing the world order . . . not satisfied
with the rhythm of the globalization process or its direction . . . only
secret services and their current chiefs (or retired staff with “influence
inside the state organizations”) [have the] ability to plan, organize and
conduct an operation of such magnitude. Generally, secret services create,
finance and control extremist organizations. Without the support of secret
services, these organizations cannot exist—let alone carry out operations of such
magnitude inside countries so well protected . . . Osama bin Laden and
‘Al Qaeda’ cannot be the organizers or the performers of the September 11
attacks . . . [they] do not have the necessary organization, resources
or leaders . . . [instead] a team of professionals had to be created and
the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation.” -- Leonid Ivashov
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20060...
Former MI6 British Counter Intelligence Officer,
"It is in fact a criminal offence to interfere with a crime scene and
yet in the case of 9/11 all the metal from the buildings is shipped out to
China, there are no forensications done on that metal. Now that to me suggests
they never wanted anybody to look at that metal because it was not going to
provide the evidence they wanted to show people that it was Al-Qaeda . . .
. . . They let it happen, they made it happen to create a trigger to be
able to allow the invasion of Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq and of
course what they're trying to do now is the same thing with the invasion of
Iran and Syria . . . I've seen the results of terroristic explosions and so
on and no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building. When the
IRA put something like a thousands tonnes of home-made explosives in front
of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, all
the glass came out, the building
GW, Good piece. I get your
GW,
Good piece. I get your strategy here: to keep it short and sweet; two main points hit squarely.
I think you are correct in trying to slip in these two seeds of doubt. We can't know how many people will be receptive to them, and we don't need to know. Only have faith that the truth will eventually be as plain as the round earth if we keep speaking it.
I think any intro to 9-11
I think any intro to 9-11 should include the censored Fox News report on Israeli spies with ties to 9-11 that are classified:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fm0_7jVqcE&search=israel%20spies
And the nationally ignored reports out of Oklahoma City proving that there were sophisticated explosives found undetonated in the Murrah building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXMo3Z0qms&eurl=
Both are like cold water to the 9-11 numbasses...
I will show you what it will
I will show you what it will take. Watch what I do today in the REAL world. Have a nice day in your digital hangout.
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2006/03/dame-edna-speaks-to-ohio.html
Hello Hybrten, Oslo, Norway
Hello Hybrten, Oslo, Norway
A new Zawahiri tape has been
A new Zawahiri tape has been released!
And to make it once again very very clear that the official version is true, he has a picture of the burning WTC in the background!
Now this is again ammunition for the OV believers: Zawahiri confesses to 9/11. And if you say Zawahiri is a hoax, then hoo hoo, this makes it a "vast" conspiracy by the government, that can't be true.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1200258.ece
Greg- You are a sad excuse
Greg- You are a sad excuse for a human being
Nice Work! It's an excellent
Nice Work! It's an excellent piece. I think that it's a good tactic to present the history of false flag operations. Once people learn that this is nothing new, some barriers are down. I like Alex Jones and I like his "Terrorstorm" but I'm hoping he'll let it be redone in a different style, a much less intense and more calm one. His aggressive style will turn some people off immediately, and the information is vital. Your piece has that more tranquil voice, urgent without going ballistic.
Good educators know that different people require different approaches. For some, the KISS principle of "keep it simple stupid" is required. For others, a tsumani of information is best. I think that the truth movement is doing very well in terms of coming at this educational effort from many angles, scientifically, religiously, using common sense and being practical, etc. We just need to keep doing that, and greater exposure through the traditional media will come as the tide continues to turn.
I don't mean to discourage or downplay the vital importance of spreading 9/11 truth at all, but I think that we should also turn our attention to the release of "America- From Freedom to Fascism." That film can do much towards waking people up so that they can begin to connect the dots.
We are winning, and we will win. The truth will set us free.
I think it perfect just the
I think it perfect just the way it is.... causes one to ponder, it's not a bombarbment of facts to overwhelm someone, it's not a "I know more than you do" statement.
I really like this, George - It's perfectly well-written!!
Excellent. May we use this
Excellent.
May we use this (or your final draft)when contacting our Congressional leaders, civic leaders, religious leaders, etc.?
It's not overwhelming but succinct.
Thank you for writing this piece.
Ad-hominem attacks are the
Ad-hominem attacks are the refuge of the fraudster, not able to support his case with logical arguments.
I enjoy having my eyes
I enjoy having my eyes opened. I adore the surprises of life. I love the feel of waking up, and starting yet another day.
I don't like feeling "better" than someone else. I prefer helping a brother up, rather than kicking him down. The concept of coveting Power, to than wield it over others, is completely alien to me.
A friend of mine (ex-military, turned mercenary for the "much better pay") knows that I charge his movement commanders (first Iraq, now New Orleans) as less-than-honorable people. He fully acknowledges my opinion, and returns with surprising wisdom of his own which I can not wholly fault; "There are predators, and there's prey... which one you think I don't want to be?" I nod my head in agreement, and go further adding; "Although what you do is not my personal preference as a predator, I am admittedly a kind of predator nonetheless." I've become a self-styled (the same way gun mercenaries do) stalker of the dim-witted, especially those ass hats hovering over buttons without a thought in the world for the concept of 'innocence'.
Innocence, an imaginative creation which has transformed and perpetually reinvented humanKind to what it has evolved into. An animal transcended, no longer IN NEED of the vestigial predator/prey instinct, though clearly unable to shake it off to this point in history. So here we are today, a world mixed, unable to make up its mind between "Man" or "Beast". That challenge I heard Mike Rupert quip "evolve, or die", continues to percolate up through every thought I have when debating, persuading, convincing, begging... my friends and family to open their eyes... to witness the bare ass of beastly Power, and to laugh at it. Yet to my repeated dismay, they remain inthrall, and more importantly, intimidated. At that, I can only shake my head, and cry within, for the fate my brethren insists as their right to board a ship named Titanic.
In parting, when seeing my friend off or signing a letter, I remind him of my respect for his decision to "practice" the martial arts to a degree I am unwilling, (or, no longer mentally able). However, I demand that he return with an acknowledgment, that the ultimate use of his skills may determine whether humanity roots out the true enemies of transcended humanity, or simply turns the guns upon itself in one last circle jerk of complete death.
These are interesting times, indeed. I thank the ancient Chinese for bring forward through history such eloquent well-wishing. May I be forgiven, for hoping that more such wisdom be winnowed from dusty pages for humankind to learn from. May We, as scum upon an isolated rock in space, take our education to heart before our un-evolved fellow travelers run us all off the lemming's cliff.
Excellent piece GW. Short
Excellent piece GW. Short and simply to the point.
I fear however that a significant percentage of our citizens, particulary the religious right who worship George Bush as thier diety and infallible leader will never see the truth as their suffer from a blind devotion to our "Christian" leader. It wouldn't shock me at all if you exposed the truth to them that the response would be something on the order of "Mr.Bush would never do that" or even worse "He is our leader, he must of had a good reason and did it for the greater good". They worry more about Bush's relationship with God than anything else.
Just recently he vetoed more federal funding for stem cell research because his voting base "the religious right" would be outraged if he did anything else. I doubt he even understands how stem cell research works and hids behind his "moral values" to curb this vital research.
This being said, we must continue and move forward because evil will reign when good people do nothing.
thought i'd share this with
thought i'd share this with people who care...this past sunday, in front of several thousand people, i was invited to come on stage (by tim kinsella of make believe) at the wicker park music festival in chicago and address the crowd about 9/11. it was spontaneous and caught the crowd off-guard, to say the least. tim had asked us in attendance if there was anything we'd like to say in the microphone, so i jumped at the chance. a few drunk guys later, i got my chance. initially, i thought i'd only get in a sentence or two but tim asked me to repeat myself three times before asking me to climb on stage so the people could see me. he and his band then allowed me to speak long enough to capture everyone's attention. the street was packed with thousands - quite an amazing experience. mixed in with the stunned silence were occasional raucous cheers, but never any dissent. the whole incident lasted about two minutes. i was given applause and greeted with high-fives upon leaving the stage. i spoke of the 9/11 omissions and distortions, the corporate-controlled media, the stolen elections, fascism, false-flag terrorism, along with a few WAKE UPs! i'd do it again in a heartbeat. thanks for reading. the world is waking up. now, it's time to clean my apt.
the media. you MUST explain
the media. you MUST explain to people how our media is set up to only give us half the story on any given subject, and you need to explain who owns the media.i cant stress this enough, 9/11 truth and media criticism should ALWAYS go hand in hand.
Your idea is a good one.It
Your idea is a good one.It should be polished to razor sharp perfection,and then placed on every 911 web page,printed out,and put on light poles.Store windows,and under windshield wipers on cars throughout america.
I've always been facinated by the JFK coverup.This is how i stumbled across the 9-11 facts.
If our country could do that it is possible that 9-11 was just a step up.
Since the time i've put in researching 9-11 (well over a hundred hours)I have told all my friends,and family to at least look at information on the internet.I have only met one person that said ...Oooooooh no! I would'nt even waste my time.I've seen the facts on tv!(laughing)
How could anyone come to the most logical conclusion without looking at ALL information?...DUH!
What you come across is four different kinds of people when trying to tell them about 9-11.
The first are the ones who say oh yeah?You can tell by their faces they think your up in the night.
....The second group are the ones that actually look at the information.
This group (If they have an IQ over 40)Say's HOLY SHIT!,and i think their convinced,but don't really pass on the information.
The third group will try to argue with you tooth & nail.This is the group that i find nauseating.
I wonder how anyone could argue,or debate without first looking at as much information as possible.For instance.Look at the tiny major media exposure 9-11 gets.
It blows my mind that the ones doing the interviewing have no doubt looked at NOTHING other than what they seen on tv,and were told.
And the fourth group...Don't waste your time tring to tell these people.The have to see it on the six o'clock news to believe it.
I wish you the very best in your endevor.I think keeping your questions short ,and to the point is the best.
Telling them only when we get answers to the main questions will we be able to get to the who's & why's
Great piece, Erin. It made
Great piece, Erin. It made my day.
I am going to copy in into my own blog: http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?s=7e6751e18d5418...
Perhaps you would enjoy or might introduce your friend to the practice of aikido, the works of Morihei Ueshiba (esp. The Art of Peace), and the books of Richard Strozzi Heckler (esp. "In Search of the Warrior Spirit: Teaching Awareness Disciplines to the Green Berets").
I also posted one of your brief comments (the one about willfully repeating the Official story as a furtherance of a crime against humanity) in a thread there and it set off a firestorm.
You can sure stir up people's doo-doo.
Iam sorry there are actually
Iam sorry there are actually five types of people you meet when trying to spread the facts on 9-11
These are the ones, although rare realize the truth has nothing to hide,and there's no such thing as a dumb question.
The ones that like to be informed of all information that affects them ,and their families.
This fifth type of person falls into what i like to call the Charlie Sheen group.You know the ones who watched the towers fall like MtStHellens,and said?????? This in itself raises an eyebrow.
I guess i fall into that category.Although group five is a small percentage these are the ones that hopefully will make the truth be told.
Unfourtunatley without major media coverage,and with every passing day the truth wants to slip away.Just like with JFK
I LOVE MY COUNRTY! I've fought ,and blead for it.My daughter is in the service in Afganistan.It saddens me to see how our country has grown so corrupt,and how our elected officals seem to to think their above the law.I want justice! I want my country back!Run with leaders of honor & integrity!
Yes our goverment,and media need to be held accountable! Remember this....If the truth be told there is no such thing as half an enima.We need to make sure there are systems in place never to alow this to happen again.
Here's a great one! They
Here's a great one! They blame the events of 9-11 on incompotence.That's reason enough to want them replaced.
Hey Rumsfield! Lost 2.3 trillon dollars from the defence department? No problem,just say your stupid ,and incompotant.Just print more us taxpayer will cover it.
They are like teflon, even
They are like teflon, even incompotence charges don't stick to them.
Glad you liked my new vid,
Glad you liked my new vid, greg. note that I not only have a 9-11 poster up on my wall, BUT I also HATE Israel and what it's doing in Lebanon.
So clearly not only was 9-11 the work of radical muslims like me, but our whole motivation is to hurt the US and Israel.
Ergo, US and Israel would be wise to untie like never before against me and people like me and the children of Lebanon. oops, did I say unite? I meant untie. You know what I mean.
Uhhh, Zawaharrariri out!
death to you all, and all that.
Unfortunately, getting
Unfortunately, getting through to many people will be practically impossible. We are all on this side of the fence, but imagine still holding on to the official story. For those people, denying that feels like denying the Holocaust. Now, the interesting thing to me as I mull over my statement is how much data about the Holocaust I accept as fact, even though I never investigated it that deeply. Maybe it wasn't 6 million Jews that died, maybe it was 1.5 million. Still horrific, of course, but if you found out that was true, would you feel compelled to look further into it independently? Would you start to question everything about the Holocaust?
How uncomfortable are you right now with my line of questioning?
For so many, this is what we're asking them to do. I don't know if that wall is surmountable.
Is it just me or does that
Is it just me or does that new Zawahiri video look like it was shot at the Fox News studios?
Mr. X, Seriously he's got
Mr. X,
Seriously he's got some kind of super-technological command bunker... Wtf is that?
Maybe he's been reading
Maybe he's been reading "Cave and Garden" lately...and spruced up the joint. Got some nice lights (running on a generator, of course) and a nice new backdrop. Maybe some new cave drawings. Did he get those images behind him done at Kinkos? It's a nice set-up.
I think it would be easier
I think it would be easier to ask.
What would it take to have you look at the other side of 9-11 on st911.0rg ?
One thing that's been
One thing that's been helpful to me is to look at 9/11 as a prosecutor or criminal investigator would.
In other words, who had the motive, the opportunity and who benefitted from the crime?
In this context, the Neocons beat al Queda as the obvious prime suspect.
All, thank you for your
All, thank you for your input!!! You've given plenty to think about ...
Hey Mssr. Jouet (Magmak1),
Hey Mssr. Jouet (Magmak1),
I heard a quote today by Morihei Ueshiba that was something like:
Don't stare at your opponent's weapons -- you'll become afraid. Don't stare into your opponent's eyes, you'll become hypnotized. Instead, focus most of your attention on what you want, and then you will be at peace sitting anywhere in the circle.
This is an clumsly paraphrase. Do you know the real quote? If so, please post at GeorgeWashington.blogspot.com so I get it.
Truthsearching: you can
Truthsearching: you can obviously pass this on . . .
Hey Mssr. Jouet (Magmak1), I
Hey Mssr. Jouet (Magmak1),
I heard a quote today by Morihei Ueshiba that was something like:
Don't stare at your opponent's weapons -- you'll become afraid. Don't stare into your opponent's eyes, you'll become hypnotized. Instead, focus most of your attention on what you want, and then you will be at peace sitting anywhere in the circle.
This is an clumsly paraphrase. Do you know the real quote? If so, please post at GeorgeWashington.blogspot.com so I get it."
Roger, Wilco.
"Do not stare into the eyes
"Do not stare into the eyes of your opponent; he may mesmerize you. Do not fix your gaze on his sword; he may intimidate you. Do not focus on your opponent at all; he may absorb your energy. The essence of training is to bring your opponent completely into your sphere. Then you can stand just where you like."
Morihei Ueshiba, "The Art of Peace"
translated and edited by John Stevens
Shambhala Classics,
Boston and London 2002
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P.S.: I didn't comment on this latest effort, but you do nice work. I'm a fan. I quote you and link to you often.
National Minister of Defense
National Minister of Defense (Germany). Also, served as Minister of
Technology
I never was a Minister of Defense.
Stop parading this BS.
I think one of the key
I think one of the key reasons people don't come around on 9/11 is because, in their minds, it is unprecedented. But if you look at what's going on in the world, all the death and destruction, 9/11 seems like small patatoes in comparison. Look at the number of people who have died from or will die from DU poisoning. Ever think about what that means? The US is using WMDs on it's own people. That's pretty sick. Couple that with the mass looting of the treasury and the dollar's loss of 40% over the last 5 years, and it's clear there are some very evil people running things.
People who know all those facts are easy to convince about 9/11. It's the people who call DU a "conspiracy theory"--those are the people who simply won't accept 9/11. They're just too far gone... brainwashed by too much Limbaugh and Fox news. It's all they know. They listen to that crap for hours each week and it just adds up and forms this wall of filth that shuts out all reason and logic.
The key to reaching them is taking down the wall of propaganda. Go after the Limbaughs and the Hannitys and push them back into the closets and the sewers where they belong.
and remember this: did anyone have to "convince" you about 9/11? Or were you "drawn" to it? I believe everyone will be drawn to it, if they can only undo the years of right wing media poisoning. It's like being in an alcoholic haze...
This being a consumerist society, we know that people like money. So when you tell them that unless they are making 40% more now than they were in 2000, they are being left behind by BushCo's greedy economic policy. That should anger anyone who works for a living. For many, that will be all the proof you need to convince someone that their beloved reich wing information sources have been lying their asses off. Once someone fully realizes that, 9/11 truth will present itself to them like the baby in this photo:
http://www.coolopticalillusions.com/eye-tricks/optic-pictures/baby_illus...
I also posted this in the DU
I also posted this in the DU dungeon
Would you expect a modern building to fall apart into pieces?
Expect that it would come apart in the time it would fall with nothing resisting its collapse?
Could you discern the difference between a building falling apart and being blown-up?
Should the buildings insides eject up and arch out further than the buildings own width?
Would you expect the building to turn to dust when it hit the ground or where it started to fall from?
What if the only knowledge you had of buildings coming down was controlled demolition?
Are you certain you would know the difference when seeing a building perpetuating its own collapse?
You may know that steel can melt but do you understand what it takes for 110 floors of it to fall apart?
When you think of a building falling apart does it crumble away or does it ride the wave of what itÂ’s running into bellow?
Would you expect the ground to shake before, as it collapsed, or when it collided with the ground?
What would you think of pools of liquefied steal found in the foundations a month later?
You still believe in the conservation of energy donÂ’t you?
Are you aware that scientist can only get steal to melt with a carbon fuel, such as kerosene and its cousins like jet fuel in laboratory conditions?
Where else have you seen a building collapse into a pile 4% of its original height without being demolished?
If a building fell apart like a house of cards would it seem odd to you?
How about if three buildings fell apart like houses of cards within 12 hours and a couple of hundred feet of each other?
And if all three accelerated as if nothing bellow was still holding them up, would you think that odd?
Does it sound right to you that a building can collapse on its own in nearly the time a golf ball would fall with nothing bellow it?
If three fell right down atop of their own foundations as if nothing bellow was even their, could you tell?
What if no one took the time to prove why three buildings collapsed to their foundations?
Could you believe just any reason for the cause and why they collapsed?
Even if all available evidence pointed in other directions, would you question news people telling you different?
Have you let your emotions get the better of your understanding?
What if for a year after all evidence was kept from the public and the only people describing what occurred did so from a TV studio?
What if a large number of eyewitnesses described controlled demolitions and not just buildings falling apart?
Would you believe them or what was repeated by talking heads again and again?
Do you have a pre-disposition to your understanding the events of Sept. 11?
Could you let your pre-judgments go if you wanted, or do you need to believe what you were told?
You might tell I have a bit of a problem with what has been called the “official” version of 9-11; the only question I have left is why don’t you?