wow..i was just going to post this.

Pretty sad that something like this has happened but he seemed upbeat in the full post. They always try to persecute the ones who tell the truth. Jim Garrison is an example I guess.

I wish him well.

He did a lot of important research. And Spoke Up when we all still too afraid to make waves.

Funny ... that he goes to country with lots of oil - peak oil ??

Sorry Rupe, but my country is not dead. Not yet.

>was doing construction for Lehman >Bros. on the 34th floor of the World

Can anybody contact W.Rodriquez on this?
Generally, it's high time someone put together a complete floor plan of the towers on 9/11 - maybe i've missed it, but have never seen it on the web.

DBLS, you are one of my favorite posters and a great filmmaker...and I absolutely love Palast...but, Palast, A. Jones and W. Tarpley all have their f--king heads in the sand on peak oil. It is basic freaking geology. Here is a great rebuttal by a guy who hosted one of DRG's lectures in California and is a good buddy of Mike Ruppert.
http://energybulletin.net/17914.html

Now, as to Palast's theory that the war on terror is not about seizing oil and/or increasing production to screw with OPEC, but rather decreasing production and boosting prices, that is entirely possible.

when he talks about the psuedo-journalists who were previously tied to the FBI on tape- he is talking about Wing-TV.

the NYC movement has been plagued by the same 'eccentric' type personalities.

clearly this woman was a plant designed to spy, undermine, disrupt, etc etc. clearly.

what's funny is that these TYPE characters are always so easy to spot - and may even seem incredibly dedicated to the movement in many ways - but, they are informants. period.

this is an incredibly sad turn of events. look - you can either choose to believe or not believe peak oil. that's not the point. Ruppert has always been a LOUD 9/11 TRuth voice demanding accountability for 9/11.

it appears now that he has been targeted.

either dz or somebigguy said they'd forward it to william rodriguez... i just sent richard grove an e-mail, so hopefully him and ty might be able to shed some light... i'll let you guys know they have to say about this

DBLS, you are one of my favorite posters and a great filmmaker...and I absolutely love Palast...but, Palast, A. Jones and W. Tarpley all have their f--king heads in the sand on peak oil. It is basic freaking geology. Here is a great rebuttal by a guy who hosted one of DRG's lectures in California and is a good buddy of Mike Ruppert.
http://energybulletin.net/17914.html

Now, as to Palast's theory that the war on terror is not about seizing oil and/or increasing production to screw with OPEC, but rather decreasing production and boosting prices, that is entirely possible.
Al C. | 08.17.06 - 3:47 pm | #

I just can't get down with it dude, there's so much oil strategically untapped in the US alone. There's oil everywhere, and it makes sense for the perpetrators to trick some in the military for example, into going along with the 911 fraud. By telling them "we had to do this because the oils running out etc". I'll check that link anyway man, but donÂ’t think it's going to change my mind on the issue.

this Ruppert shit is very serious

Anyways it seems to confirm W.Rodriguez' assessment that the 34th was some kind of construction floor, so Rodriguez is still our guy to turn to for truth, as hard to reconcile some of his statements like the basement explosion might seem. If there was still people there after the evacuation, that's strange. And how did they -the perps?- get out?

"this Ruppert shit is very serious"

Maybe, but I'm not going to give up.

Anyone up for emailing or calling the CBC? Send them a few questions asking them if they'll be talking about WTC7, insider trading, ISI funding and PNAC?

Ah the sound and fury of suspicious minds. We started this segment with clips from the films The Manchurian Candidate, Doctor Strangelove and JFK, which have all tried to convince us that there's another story behind the story we are told. The real story. The one THEY don't want us to know about.

Tomorrow on The Current, we'll be talking about what they are saying about who's really behind the events of September 11th, and how that day has shaped our modern suspicions. And you know who they are. Don't you?

Well, we'd love to hear from you today ...especially from those of you who have friends--rational intelligent friends---who nonetheless believe, say, that Princess Diana was deliberately killed. Or that the moonwalk was a bogus political stunt designed to scare the commies. Or that aliens are watching us as we speak.

Call us or write us today and tell us about this person. And don't worry, our phones aren't tapped, and no one's reading our emails...as least as far as we know. Our email address is thecurrent@cbc.ca. Or with the operator's assistance, you can call us collect at 416 205 7878.

We ended the show today with Elvis Presley's version of "Suspicious Minds" He died in Memphis, Tennessee 29 years ago this week. Although according to some conspiracy theorists, news of his demise was greatly exaggerated and he is, in fact, alive and well and living in Tweed, Ontario. It's true. Go ahead. Look it up on the internet.

Professor Steven Jones Urgently Asks For Help Regarding Personal Attacks
B.Y.U. Professor Steven Jones Says He Was Misquoted

Steven Jones | August 17th 2006

Quote from Moseley's "9/11 Bush Bashers":
At a national conference broadcast nationwide on C-SPAN, key conspiracy leader Alex Jones announced that the American government has already collapsed and a shadow government is now running our country. This radio talk-show host next announced – on tape – that Osama bin Laden is now a paid agent of the CIA.

Professor Steven Jones of Brigham-Young University accused George Bush of being a dictator, mimicking the preamble of the Declaration of Independence. When asked if violent revolution was necessary, this scientist declared – in front of national TV cameras – that there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals. In the context of the question, professor Jones was calling for the violent overthrow of the government.

Those publishing this essay should check my actual comments on the C-SPAN broadcast. I made no such statement that "there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals." This is FALSE, UNTRUE, AND TOTALLY NOT WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID, NOR DO I IN ANY WAY SUPPORT THIS STATEMENT AT ALL.

I need your help. I have a meeting here now ==very serious -- about my standing here -- in 1/2 hour. I must prepare.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/170806stevenjones.htm

we have to flood those bastards and demand they print a retraction.

Neo-Fascists Declare War On Truth Movement
False flag provocation likely to occur within months, 9/11 & truth activists targeted for elimination as Alex Jones makes unpalatable prediction

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | August 17 2006

As manufactured terror alerts, magnified turmoil in the Middle East, and dire proclamations that doomsday is approaching all converge at the end of the summer of 2006, the twist in the story is likely to be a massive staged terror attack that will smother any remaining voices of descent and once again leave America transfixed in an orgy of militarism, paranoia and fear.

The targets of the subsequent frenzied police state clampdown will be the traitors who questioned their government's motivations in the war on terror and blocked Bush' path in protecting the American people.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/170806declarewar.htm

yes - lets talk about bombs in the buildings while one of our own is run out of the country.

controlled demolition is important to talk about and shold NOT be ignored. if thats what your implying.

Rush Limbaugh made a similiar claim to Alex Jones today. That a bigger 9/11-like attack on this country is imminent.

The size of this man's ego (Limbaugh that is) tells me that he would not make such a definitive claim unless he had reliable information that it would come to fruition.

Unlike AJ, Limbaugh gave no deadline.

so what was john o'neill doing on the 34th floor if it was some kind of construction floor? and what exactly was going on that rodriguez took such specific notice? i think something fishy was happening on that floor... i don't really have any idea of what though

>Rush Limbaugh made a similiar claim >to Alex Jones today

WOW. Where was Limbaugh on? on AJ's radio show?

this is an incredibly sad turn of events. look - you can either choose to believe or not believe peak oil. that's not the point. Ruppert has always been a LOUD 9/11 TRuth voice demanding accountability for 9/11.

it appears now that he has been targeted.
John Albanese | 08.17.06 - 3:48 pm | #

He also told everyone to go home and forget everything. It seems to me like he came out "LOUD" for 911 truth before anyone else practically (apart from Alex Jones who he attacks), so that he could be the "leader" and steer everyone in some direction. And when he couldnÂ’t do that he got stoppy.

I agree with Kevein Barret on Rupert, there's no direct link for this, but its on the June 9, 2006 entry at;

http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html#UP

VICTORY MARKS IGNOMINIOUS END TO 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT
As Sad As It Was Predictable Regime Change in Washington, DC Marks the End of a Sequential and Planned Campaign to Discredit Only Authentic 9/11 Research--Mine
by Michael C. Duppert and Jamey Heck
© Copyright 2006, From The Bilderbergs Publications, www.fromthebilderbergs.com. All Rights Reserved. This story MAY be posted on any Internet web site without express written permission. Contact admin@ciavcia.com. May be circulated, distributed or transmitted for my-profit purposes only.
June 7th 2006, 1:28pm [PST] – “Ignominious” is the only word that comes to mind as I try to describe the horrible feeling of watching the 9/11 truth movement triumph without me. The recent arrests of Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Gen. Richard Meyers, Larry Silverstein, Rudy Guliani and others for high treason are utterly meaningless because I, Mike Duppert, did not get the credit I deserved. Worse, it appears that the apocalyptic meltdown of the US economy that I predicted by spring, 2006 has not happened, and I am living in a cave in Oregon--with Mark Rabinowitz, no less--for no particular reason. Some people might think being stuck in a cave with Mark forever would boggle Dante's imagination--but actually I think Mark's kind of cute. Note: Contact Osama and Hummux for cave-decorating tips.

The war-crimes trials in Washington, D.C. are clearly a disinformation campaign, spun by PROMIS-software-wielding conspirators, to discredit my masterpiece Glossing the Rube Icon. In that book, I proved once and for all that it doesn't matter whether top US officials blew up the Twin Towers and WTC-7 and murdered almost 3,000 people, nor whether there is something very wrong with the official account of the flights, especially Flight 77. I proved that there is only one thing that matters: ME! Yet the prosecutors are ignoring me and charging Cheney and company with blowing up the WTC and faking the Pentagon hit. They're ignoring all my cool stuff on PROMIS, Mike Vreeland, and futuristic biological warfare scenarios, and charging those guys with the boring old crimes of mass murder and high treason.

It's all the fault of that stupid 9/11 truth movement--those guys just didn't know when to quit. When my book came out and I said, "Okay, that's it--forget about 9/11 truth from now on," only five or ten percent of the population had even heard of us, and Bush's numbers were above 50%. But because those 9/11 truth freaks just kept on keeping on, the numbers grew and grew, the Bush regime became the most loathed administration in history, and public pressure finally forced the 9/11 story into the media, bit by bit. I did everything I could to discourage them, but they didn't listen to me. What assholes! Now that they've won without me, I hope they realize that it's all part of the great conspiracy--against me, Mike Duppert. Just wait till peak oil gets them, ha ha ha. I'll be sitting pretty in this cave, smoking bat guano with Mark Rabinowitz and dreaming about how Mark and I, together, will repopulate the world.

ok, i guess Limbaugh said "we'll be hit again". But did he mention 9/11 truth? I'd very much like to hear his standing on it.

bush is an idiot... pretty funny

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/48170/IS_BUSH_AN_IDIOT.html

about 10min

Dem Bruce Lee Styles, I assure you they are NOT shilles! Mass murdering traitors DO NOT want the truth about 9-11 coming out! I.E. That 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB WITH HELP FROM MOSSAD AGENTS TOO, FRAMED FAKE SUPPOSED "ARAB HIGHJACKERS"

war in 9/11 truth - and teh enemy is among us.

Ruppert has to be seen in light of what B.Zwicker warned of: those that attack others all the time to divide-and-conquer us will "stand out like sore thumbs"

Ruppert was the grandfather of 9/11 deceptions.
His trip to Venezuela is his pay-off from the 9/11 perps, Club of Rome and Oil Industry.

>but - Alex Jones is making >predictions. not research.
>John Albanese | 08.17.06 - 5:10 pm | >#

Yes but that's not what AJ proclaims to do. He's 'organizing' the whole thing, and trupeting the truth out. And he's united the movement diverse players by not being offensive etc., i mean, who else can bring these together on the same radio show, for the same issue, and some of them in person at the L.A.conference: Ray McGovern, Paul C. Roberts, Webster Tarpley, Jim Fetzer, Charlie Sheen, etc. - only AJ can do that.

I guess Ruppert was there early on after 9/11 while many of us were still asleep to the truth, and the LIHOP thing was of course the starting point.

"Funny that Rupert and this guy from American Free Press get "persecuted". I don't know enough about these people, but are they shills or something?
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 08.17.06 - 3:24 pm | #"

Ruppert thinks we're CIA disinformation, and Bollyn thinks we're Zionist disinformation.

Hell, our hard drive with LC2E on it was mysteriously erased one day while we were at lunch. You didn't see me leave the country.

The closest I've gotten to a death threat was an anonymous cell phone call in 2004.

All I got was "You're Dead. [click]"

C'est la vie...

...and I just bought his new book!... It's sad that when the going gets tuff, the 'tuff' start running....

I agree with other posters.. America is not dead yet... When it falls, all will fall, as freedom will fall..

I'm sorry Mike.. but you will be no safer anywhere in the world, for America is the last hope for freedom. When it falls, freedom falls..

You (Ruppert) speak of "spirituality". Your book was an excellent expose of events, worthwhile to read. I even promote it on my site (as tiny as it is) asking for nothing in return. Yet, for all that you offered, you still are left clueless as to the "real world" and what time it really is.

Good luck to you sir.. I have benefited from your effort (which I paid for mind you)... Now, another American will have to step into your place.... As we always do.....

There is no place to run....

i disagree that Alex Jones is the only person who can organize.

and i disagree when you say: "Yes but that's not what AJ proclaims to do."

yes it is. he puts out red alerts - for Christ's sake - predicting martial law in 2004 - predicting false flag operations - predicting detention centers - etc etc

i'm not saying that i do not worry about these things. i seem them all as distinct possibilities. but - it is not based on any credible inside information of vetted research. it is almost exploitive in its design.

...and I just bought his new book!... It's sad that when the going gets tuff, the 'tuff' start running....

It hurts, but he's doing the right thing. He's done enough already.

Mike Ruppert is right about many things but he is really right when he says(paraphrasing) that the average American does not care about anything but his own wallet.

Its looks like the 9-11 truth movement is passed the being "ignored" point next comes the "fighting" part.
I don't mean we have to bare arms but we will have to step up our energy and get the word out that 9-11 was an inside job to more and more people.

Lets start handing out 9-11 DVD's and other information to Police officers(mabey unattended police cars,i have done this)and military personel being the young enlisted men and women and thier officers.

Get a new DVD burner/writer and start making copies and then hand them out like candy.

i'm not much of a writer/typist but i can gurantee you i am one of the most prolific messengers of 9-11 truth out there and anybody can do it
peace,pw

predicting martial law in 2004 - Check
predicting false flag operations - Check
predicting detention centers - Check

So what exactly are you saying John? Maybe I don't understand your post.

Dylan - the fact is that your films present to many unproven 'facts' and speculation. A guy like Ruppert sees this sort of thing as damaging to the movement because it misinforms people and creates easy strawmen for our critics to knock down.

But can you show us where Ruppert called you CIA? I would be interested in seeing that.

Ruppert's "good-bye" is a psyOP decoy to deceive the 9/11 truth movement to give up or be violent.

The 9/11 perps still do run the show.
Ruppert was their best pay-roll client.

As the old saying goes "with friends like you, who needs enemies". Ruppert had his life threatened more than once and made the smart move to move the hell out of the country to avoid getting whacked by our own government. Yet, you blog posters totally turn on the guy who wrote what someday will be considered a masterpiece "Crossing the Rubicon" and managed a great website, "From the Wilderness". If you think you can achieve 1/10 what Ruppert has accomplished in his lifetime, please, feel free to continue to condemn him. Seriously, "with friends like you" this movement is going nowhere.

P.S. I just finished reading Zwicker's "Towers of Deception". Get your lazy asses off the computer and go read it.

P.S.S. Gold, you need to stick around and keep these OCD cases in line.

MediaPUppet -

Jones was predicting tanks would roll into US cities before the 2004 election and they would be suspended.

what do you not understand? it didn't happen.

As an frequent observer and a firm believer of 9/11 Truth I must say all this infighting is disappointing. I have read Ruppert and Griffin, subscribe to Global Outlook, etc. I'm sorry to see Ruppert go. He is a true patriot. When we start getting suspicious of one another then the disinfo agents have won.

We need to agree to disagree on those issues that disect this movement and work together in bringing the truth to the light. Truth is REAL and will prevail.

Thanks Cosmo. I couldn't have said it better myself.

BS Detector is Nico - or one of his puppets. The dead giveaway is the Club of Rome bullshit. i don't know ANYONE who believes that crap.

what's funny is that Greg defends Alex Jones - who basically is saying that the neocons have declared war on 9/11 Truth - yet - in the same breath he bashes Ruppert whose office has just been destroyed.

hmmm.....

John A.

I wasn't aware that Jones was predicting martial law to happen in 2004. It wasn't clear by your post whether you were saying he made the prediction in 2004 or that he said it would be here in 2004. I have only been following him the past few months, so wasn't aware of his prior predictions.

Anyway, if he was claiming that the US would be a police state by 2006...well, he'd at least be partially correct.

URGENT: EVERYONE STOP RIGHT NOW & REFRESH!!!!
Go to the new post & get the link to write on behalf of Dr. Steven Jones!!!! He needs our help at this very moment. If he can't count on us, who can he count on?
NOW GO! We have work to do!

http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/ruppertloosechange.html
Ruppert Calls Loose Change 'CIA Disinfo'

“Loose Change … is a very fine piece of CIA Disinformation.” Ruppert then goes on to imply that the Loose Change producers stole or plagiarized his work. “

" Dr Jones said after his byu meeting that....

"Thank you, and let me say that my mtg here went fine... Academic freedom is still alive and well here."
usafreedompatriot | 08.17.06 - 5:39 pm | # "

---this is the latest from the other post!!!
YEEE-HAAA!!!!

Alex Jones said yesterday on his show that he was feeling the wings of death on his neck, as our movement was progressing into enemy territory and becoming more powerful.

Paul Joseph Watson also wrote this 2 days ago:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/150806watchedvids.htm

>

Alex said he and his family have been threatened in the past.
Ruppert, who denounced the CIA as a giant drug ring, said in the past that on three occasions "they" tried to kill him.

So if they are all honest, and if a new 9/11 is coming, maybe some of you should prepare an escape plan now (just in case, you know), because you would be targeted if martial law was implemented. Everything that happens on this site is recorded.
Guy Debord and his revolutionary friends escaped Italy when the government used terrorism (Gladio) to fight the powerful rise of the left and the workers on strike. And they were right because many innocent people ended up in jail for decades.

The fact that Fox News talked of Alex Jones' predictions can be seen both ways: they try to discredit him since Murdoch knows from Bush that nothing big is going to happen this year, or on the contrary, they try to prove that they are honest by openly talking about what Alex said: they have nothing to hide, and if a new 9/11 takes place, Fox News can say that Alex is a nut who blamed Bush instead of blaming the terrorists, maybe he knew about the attack from the mouth of the terrorists, or he tried to destabilize the government, hence he is an enemy of the State and must me arrested immediately, and tortured to know why he attacked Bush and not the terrorists.

Anyway, that is ironic to see Ruppert in Venezuela, standing on the largest sea of oil on Earth. Not high quality oil, but enough oil to prevent Peak Oil soon. If Ruppert was right about Peak Oil happening very soon, then saying that it was more important than 9/11 might be justified, considering the incredibly devastating consequences of Peak Oil taking place tomorrow morning. We'll see what he'll say once Chavez shows him his reserves. But let's not forget that he still published Crossing the Rubicon which contained pages about 9/11; it is not as if he had totally forgotten about 9/11.

To conclude on a funny note: did you notice that like Alex, Ruppert really believed he was the number one hero of the fight? Just watch the first minutes of his latest DVD! And listen to Alex Jones yesterday, saying he is carrying the banner of the movement, and that those who pretend to be carrying that banner are frauds!

Mr. Albanese:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060706_questions_grave.shtml

"“There is a plan by the British delegation (such as it is, so far) to get members of Parliament to watch “Loose Change”, the seminal movement DVD.” (16th paragraph) – This is one of the biggest whoppers of all. I have watched “Loose Change” and in my expert opinion it is a very fine piece of CIA disinformation, one that fits an astute maxim by Professor Peter Dale Scott: “Disinformation, in order to be effective, must be 90% accurate.

"This film is so slickly produced (and on such a large budget) that it is hard to believe that amateur filmmakers could have made it."

Ha. Our movie is so good, it must be CIA? Stunning logic.

John A.

And I hate to kiss your ass, but your movie is one of the best out there. Hope you have another one coming our way.

As I said earlier, Zwicker's "Towers of Deception" is an incredible read. I just finished it this afternoon. One of those books that is very hard to put down. His chapter on the Left Gatekeepers, especially Chomsky is eye-opening, to say the least. And I had to chuckle when reading his chapter that claims DRG a modern day prophet. But he makes the case for the claim. This book is one of the better books on 9/11. Up there with Ruppert's, Griffin's first two and Tarpley's.... And of course the Terror Timeline.

Ruppert was hammering at 9/11 Truth long before most of us. He has my sincere respect.

If anyone wonders how nerve-wracking it must be to a leader in this movement, they need only look at Ruppert's departure.

Yet, this is a time for our movement to continue pushing forward. Just today I heard Rush Limbaugh repeating 'just wait until the next big terrorist attack, blah blah blah', again and again. These people must be stopped.

Chris Rose,

What do you think of this World Net Daily 'hit-piece' article on Stephen Jones and the others at the LA 9/11 Conference? I just read it and it is utterly ridiculous.

Ruppert was hammering at 9/11 Truth long before most of us. He has my sincere respect.

Kevin O | 08.17.06 - 5:50 pm | #

That's right. His video "Truth and Lies of 9/11" was released in late 2001 or early 2002, compiled from speeches he was giving in November of 2001.

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/6031/Former_Bush_Team_Member_Says_WTC_Collapse...
"...We are two NYC 9/11 activists, Max and Julian, and weÂ’d like to introduce you to our new website, TruthMove.org...
...WeÂ’ve been active in the movement for years, recently working closely with Nick Levis and John Albanese..."

inphoman911@yahoo.com (ny911truth):

"...(Nic) Levis was always the ringleader in a small group spreading doubt about controlled demolition. He was always trying to confuse people with discredited theories and wasn't too happy when I brought in Tarpleys material. He went crazy when Les invited Walter and Rodriguez to NY911truth citing some past grievance. I heard him say Rodriguez was a liar or couldn't be trusted. He also tried to say the sounds in the 911eyewitness DVD might be fakes after sending me to that fake 911review plane at the pentagon webpage to try and dupe me a couple months ago. I think he has duped the other people who trust him due to friendship. It looks like ny911truth is being controlled by 911truth.org. ny911truth needs to be independent from that organization so it can give the phonies the ax..."

What do you think of this World Net Daily 'hit-piece' article on Stephen Jones and the others at the LA 9/11 Conference?

Anyone catch the debate between Fetzer and John Mosley on Jones's show today?

It's hard to listen to...

Fetzer is pissed!!!

Dylan - the fact is that your films present to many unproven 'facts' and speculation. A guy like Ruppert sees this sort of thing as damaging to the movement because it misinforms people and creates easy strawmen for our critics to knock down.

But can you show us where Ruppert called you CIA? I would be interested in seeing that.
John Albanese | 08.17.06 - 5:31 pm | #

^ Everybody makes honest mistakes, that's why so many people can relate to "incompetence theories".

What you don't go and do is attack people when their achievements and affect is actually a good one. You try and be constructive, and point things out. Criticizing "no planers" on the other hand is difficult to be constructive with because it's so wild and blatantly damaging, and has done nothing but damage. LC2E has made perhaps one of the most positive impacts for 911truth. Ruppert might have done good work, but the work he's done attacking people outweighs all that now for me. You can separate his good research from his actions, but as far as the man goes I say f*ck him, let him go hang with Chavez in Caracas, he'll probably start writing hit pieces on him to.

Loose Change is the leading 9/11 film for a reason. it pulls no punches unlike many others.

I say f*ck him, let him go hang with Chavez in Caracas, he'll probably start writing hit pieces on him to.
Dem Bruce Lee Styles | Homepage | 08.17.06 - 6:04 pm | #
HAHA.

Mosley claims he'll be on next time to debate thermate.

...he's lawyer vs. Fetzer et als' PHD's

seriously, calling LC2 "very fine CIA disinfo" is kind of ridiculous. i love Rupperts work, the guy is a huge asset, but give me a break.

and i agree, if you dont have Zwickers book yet, get it. im only half way through, but im blown away. the first part of the book has a chapter on the psychology of 9/11, and why its so easy to ignore the disturbing questions in regards to 9/11 and so easy to just put your head on the sand. amazing stuff. ive ALWAYS said to understand 9/11 you need to understand our media. Zwicker gets it.

calling LC2 "very fine CIA disinfo"

Are you sure he wasn't just referring to Pentagon/no 767 ? And how they jumped into that within the first 10 minutes of the movie?

and 1 more thing, Alex Jones(who i disagree with on a lot) is a true patriot, what he does is NOT fear mongering, its preperation, and if you cant see the signs of an emerging police state your obviously not paying attention. thank god the internet and this country has a guy like Alex JOnes ringing the alarm bells and putting the news into its proper context.

...anyway, I have to run out now and get some more blank DVD's.

All the best MCR!

Hugo Chavez is definitely not a good guy.
He's Bush's antithesis, but this doesn't automatically make him a good guy.

Chavez is a marxist-lenninist dictator. He's castro's buddy and wants to take over the world with the help of the UN.

You have to keep in mind that NO government is on our side. Chavez would sell every one of us out in a heartbeat. The best thing about Chavez is that he hates Bush, but he too has globalist designs, just coming at it from a different perspective.

And no, he's no better to the poor than any other globalist.

Danse wrote:
"...Even if you're right Nico -- and I don't for a second think everyone on that list is an "agent", as you seem to be implying..."

So you have no problems with infiltration? Is that what your saying?
It is no problem, when the complete leadership of the anti-war movement is infiltrated and still does not speak out about 9/11 Inside Job, even if it media hyped?

It is no problem, that Ruppert manipulated my terror drill and wargame research, which i presented together with Barbara Honegger in 2004 and then Ruppert plagiarized it with his absurde Cheney claim?

It is no problem, that Karl Schwarz is talking about a remote controlled skywarrior crashing into the Pentagon and WTC, while he receives a contract of IN-Q-Tel, a CIA company?

It is no problem, that Hence, 911truth.org and Co. blocked evidence on CD for 4 years and Nic Levis changed our banners at ny911truth.org, the group i co-founded???!!

But it is okay, that the same infiltrators are smearing my history in this movement and basically denying it?

Since the 9/11 TV Fakery is the only stuff, WHICH IS NOT mentioned in U.S. Media and still oppressed, for sure i will fight for it, because they will not mention it anyway.
The Media and WESCAM was part of 9/11.

And if i see Les Jamieson (ny911truth) linked to intel-cult URANTIA for sure i will speak out on this and other dirt. Cointel-PRO in the 60s was a fart compared to the orwellian show from 2001-2006.

Same URANTIA and their hubs infiltrated also this movement plus 911truth.org. Their past shows clearly why:

URANTIA- U.S. Intelligence Ties
=================================

1942: Jacques Weiss (URANTIA Book translator), OSS
1956 -1965: General Duane Faw (URANTIA Teaching
Mission -TeaM- channeling supporter), USMC/United
States Marine Corps, CIA
1969 -1992: Neal Waldrop (Future URANTIA Foundation
trustee), NSA, US Navy, U.S. Department of State
(1976)
1974 -1983: Professor Duane Faw (Chairman of the
URANTIA Brotherhood's Legal Committee), USMC

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1999-2005: Les Jamieson , so far only proven
connections to "EX-Intelligence" (Ray McGovern, Wayne
Madsen, Robert Baer etc...)

Read through this and prove any disinfo of 5 years work:
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911bio.html

"As we bid Ruppert fairwell we must be pushing harder than every to increase public awareness."

Amen. And I do find a lot of his comments extremely defeatist, which is fucking lame.

I live in Canada, not America, but I'm literally an hour from the border, and there's very little difference between our two nations any more (American corporations own most of it now anyway). If Ruppert's life was being threatened I don't begrudge him his flight, but the least he could have done was offer a word of encouragement instead of saying, in essence: you're doomed.

We're not doomed. Sooner or later this nightmare will have to end and we can start building a real society based on human values. And that's sure as hell not gonna happen if everyone turns tail and runs.

"Chavez is a marxist-lenninist dictator."

Chavez was democratically elected, in fact he's been elected several times, which nullifies your position.

Go read a book.

Well the discusion is lively here..there is also some good news..Anon didn't you say that judge ruled the NSA eavesdropping was unconstitutional? Bad news...Rupperts leaving..but...I'm not. so much sifting through the BS to find real evidence,but being vigilant in all this,I refuse to give up

Dem,

"Funny that Rupert and this guy from American Free Press get "persecuted". I don't know enough about these people, but are they shills or something?"

I can only take the above to connote snarky humor, or deliberate baiting. Is seems disingenuous. You've never heard of Ruppert??? Only people who don't like him mis-spell his name the way you did. Or maybe its sets up your assertion in the next scentence that you haven't heard of him. I could very well be overly assuming your knowledge of 9/11 truth, but then what's the joke about? Those aren't the only people who get persecuted, and you end with a scentence having no internal logic. Why would the shills be persecuted?

Now personally, I am willing to entertain the hypothesis that Ruppert's leaving is the culmination of a long plan in which he developed a following and then lead them to hopelessness just at the moment that the movement was making critical moves forward. But I've been a fan of the guy since he changed my life, and so I'm not so quick to be paranoid.

Just checking in to see if your listening. I try my best. "Judo Chop!!!"

First post, hi all.

Smart move by Ruppert I think, I don't live in the US but it would be a hard decision to give up and move away. Or not, if you thought you'd be killed soon.

But whats with all the beef about disinfo? Confronting a CIA Director about drugs, and publishing a book labelling VP as mass murderer isn't ballsy enough?

Jules: nice.

Damn it, Nico: Is their any way to ask you to calm down?

I once thought wikipedia was all that and a bowl of grits, until I spent about a million words there and really found out what shills, provocateurs, and gatekeepers are really like. There, the forum was HIGHLY controlled and "admins" were a dime a dozen.

Not so in with 9/11. I suspect the perps are struggling to replace once willing sycophants with paid agents and an exponential rate. This situation is desperately unsustainable.... that is why they are dangerous.

The general focus of millions of people around the world is zeroing in on a target. This is where our trust in mass-consciences is going to be tested for humankind, like no time ever before.

Will we collect enough clean and sold evidence?

Will we find the right perps?

Will be able to apprehend the suspects?

Will we be savvy enough to trap them and simultaneously prevent them from pushing buttons to destroy the evidence (earth)?

This is a test for us all..... no reset, no start overs, no going back..... and no fucking "winners" this time. The best we can hope for, is a chance to stay alive, make babies, and tell them how close we came.

John Albanese, I appreciated your comments about Ruppert. I owe a heck of a lot to Michael Ruppert. He has awakened many of us to so much, and given many of us tools and strategies to prepare for the various collapses that are inevitable. His research was excellent. Yes, he said some things I didn't agree with, and I felt his ego got the better of him when he attacked others in the truth movement, but anyone who thinks he's CIA or a shill, you haven't been reading Ruppert's work.

I will continue reading FTW for Mike Kane and Carolyn Baker and Jamie Hecht and Stan Goff and others.

Nico wrote:

"So you have no problems with infiltration? Is that what your saying?"

If all those people are really "agents" (and imagine for a second how absurd that theory is) as you claim then the best thing for you to do is challenge them on the facts, not devote your time to advancing the theory that they are, in fact, agents. Why is that? Because those sorts of accusations create paranoia and division and do nothing to advance the truth.

"It is no problem, when the complete leadership of the anti-war movement is infiltrated and still does not speak out about 9/11 Inside Job, even if it media hyped?"

I don't share your opinion. I think there's a much simpler explanation: some of the leadership of the anti-war movement believes that the democrats will save us, and therefore they don't wanna be associated with "conspiracy theorists".

No doubt there are a few real agents running around, but again, the best thing to do is challenge such people using logic and evidence, not hurl around accusations that they are working for the illuminati.

But whats with all the beef about disinfo? Confronting a CIA Director about drugs, and publishing a book labelling VP as mass murderer isn't ballsy enough?
razed | 08.17.06 - 8:27 pm | #

razed, welcome and thanks for that -- incredible how paranoid and misinformed some people are in here, it would seem.

razed, it was Ruppert who leveled the CIA accusation at the Loose Change crew. your beef is with him as well.

There's definitely a 'fungus among us' in the 9/11 truth movement. But, we already know that.

I would just like to say, Ruppert's evidence stands on its own merits, as truth does.

When your contribution to 9/11 truth is added to the schools library that produces a good portion of these criminals (Harvard)... then you can name 'Shills'.

"Chavez is a marxist-lenninist dictator."

Chavez was democratically elected, in fact he's been elected several times, which nullifies your position.

Go read a book.
Danse | 08.17.06 - 8:17 pm | #
pretty much sums it up.

>Ha. Our movie is so good, it must be >CIA? Stunning logic.
>dylan | Homepage | 08.17.06 - 5:45 >pm | #

If anything is "divide and conquer", then it is calling others 'disinfo'. If Ruppert still supports this attack, then he's either a shill or just plain arrogant!!!

This attack-tactics of discrediting other people's work while promoting the own (like books, no-plane theories etc.) has also been seen by LIHOP-only researcher Daniel Hopsicker: he lashed out at the controlled demolition evidence, calling it 'disinfo' and claimed to have 'evidence' that the whole 9/11 truth movement was 'funded by al-Qaeda'
- my recommendation to Mr Hopsicker: take the next flight to Venezuela, and leave this movement alone.

wow, Hopsicker really said those things? you got a link? thats ridiculous.

Danse wrote:
"...If all those people are really "agents" (and imagine for a second how absurd that theory is) as you claim then the best thing for you to do is challenge them on the facts, not devote your time to advancing the theory that they are, in fact, agents...."

We did all this while you guys had no 911blogger for years and we got rid of all of them.

Currently there is only a big question mark on Prof.Jones, while we already see the results of flagwavers and regular daisy committee shills thrashing the 'thermite only' setup.

See here:
http://www.veronicachapman.com/nyc911/Jones-Kubiak.htm

These are shills like skyking@..
(Daisy Committee operating with 250 IPs!! )and his friends at conspiracysmasher and screwloosechange, though many of them are regular flagwavers without any pay check.

I am not using the word 'agent', because many of the infiltrators did not work on pay-roll, though that obviously is clear on Kubiak, Schwarz and Ruppert, with pending question markn on Mike Berger.

All others are deceived mindset victims as described as orwellian 9/11 truthlings, or better Jim "remote control" Fetzer.

I'm speaking with a lot of 9/11 scholars. They don't agree with Fetzer any more. They also would prefer Webster Tarpley and they are very suspicious about Jones U-Turn against the traditional evidence on controlled demolition.

We have 3-4 weeks left. If you think, you did your homework, fine.
But i am expecting sabotage at Ground Zero and last week NYPD Intel was already there to break up the weekly ny911truth.org protests.

If US GOV will declare this movement as arm of Al-Quaida (via MUJCA) and claim, CD was done by Al-Quaida as well, then there isn't much left, this movement have to talk about.

That's why i am saying NO to any limited hangout BS anymore, back to the traditional evidence on CD, while also pointing out, that the pulverisation must have been produced by unconventional weaponry.

And for sure, many of the audience of ny911truth.org and me will continue to promote the evidence on media manipulation on the alleged aircraft.

We have not much more in our hand, because URANTIA made sure, that ny911truth.org never expanded.

Meanwhile WW3-5 continues, while you celebrate every spin on this movement in U.S. Media.
US vs China vs Russia next, i still believe that will be next year while another falseflag in NYC's subway is obvious, since Lockheed received a contract last year and drilled gas attacks with Lawrence Livermore.

What a joke. Watch Animal Farm again!!

A Prirmer on 9/11 Video Fakery
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Controlled demolition of the WTC South Tower on 9/11

(Windows Media Viewer required to view these)

Note how the shock-wave from the explosion rocks the helicopter...
These shots were taken by a German video team and have been shown on television in Europe.
Not much likelihood that we will see them broadcast here in the good 'ol' United States of Amnesia.
But ... not to worry...... we still have the Internet .... so millions will see them anyway.

Shockwave hits Helicopter
http://thewebfairy.com/911/shockwave/

http://thewebfairy.com/911/shockwave.wmv 179k - full speed, documenting the violence with which the helicopter was tossed about

http://thewebfairy.com/911/from.helicopter.wmv 62k - One frame per second showing the view of the expanding dust clouds while the helicopter is buffeted.

===========================
Broadcast of fake/doctored video by CNN purporting to show a Boeing commercial jet striking the South Tower:

This is a close-up of the video originally broadcast by CNN on 9/11

Watch it and make up your own mind.

Planes are made mostly of lightweight aluminum ... light enough so they can be lifted into flight.
A jet plane is essentially an aluminum can.

Ever crushed an aluminum beer can in your hands ?

Watch the "plane" in the CNN video "melt" seamlessly into the concrete and steel of the South Tower ...

http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/noplane2 /

Look Ma' .... NO IMPACT !!!

Here is the original “live network news” video broadcast by CNN on the morning of 9/11:
http://www.911hoax.com/gZoomCNN.asp?intPage=14&PageNum=14

And here is how it was done ....
http://www.reopen911.org/bluescreen.htm

And here are the skilled professionals who made it all happen ...
right before our very eyes ..
http://www.counterpunch.org/cnnpsyops.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/06/02/28_psyops.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/30/95642/8018
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1748
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/cnn.htm
http://www.geocities.com/saufor/unsorted/cnnpsyops.html
http://atangledweb.typepad.com/weblog/2004/12/most_trusted_am.html

N

Hopsicker lashed out these things in a chat with his buddy D.Emory. There's also dozens and dozens of interviews with Hopsicker on this site, so even if there's not a direct quote from him, I understand he's willing to bash MIHOP instead of admitting the failure of having researched a dead end road with focusing on "Atta" -a patsy- alone.

http://www.spitfirelist.com/f555.html

DC9 aircraft-dubbed "Cocaine One" by Hopsicker. The broadcast drifted from the original topic into discussion of the 9/11 disinformation movement. Emory and Hopsicker touched on a number of other topics,

and is also a financier of the so-called "9/11 Truth Movement." This raises the distinct possibility that Adnan Khashoggi may be the real financial backer of the disinformation effort that contends-among other things-that the destruction of the twin towers was a controlled demolition and that the Pentagon was struck by a cruise missile. At some point, Mr. Emory will address this nonsense in detail. Daniel Hopsicker has written three articles about the 9/11 disinformation movement, and they can be examined at the listener's discretion.

http://www.spitfirelist.com/f507.html

Crews also helmed Columbia Pacific University, the alma mater of another shady character-John Gray. Gray is one of the financial gurus of the so-called 9/11 "Truth" movement. This is the disinformation effort that alleges that the WTC was destroyed by a controlled demolition

the Passion of Mike Ruppert....

His "road to Damascus.."
======================================
"I left my last classes that spring day in 1970 after four students
had been murdered, crying from both the emotional pain and the tear
gas that wafted up the Janns Steps and onto the Quad at UCLA. I went
to my job as an intern at the Los Angeles Police Department. After
donning my khaki uniform without gun or badge I returned to UCLA to
work at LAPD's command post, ferrying dispatches and running errands
for Deputy Chiefs, Commanders, and Captains as LAPD batons shed the
blood of my fellow students. My life has always been full of ironies.
Then, I believed that the system could be changed from the inside.
Then, I believed that the United States could be changed from the inside.
Mistrusted by both sides there was no safe place for me to cry that day."
...... Mike Ruppert on his arduous spiritual sojourn, his road to
Caracas.
=====================================================

"Watch the "plane" in the CNN video "melt" seamlessly into the concrete and steel of the South Tower ...

http://thewebfairy.com/911/slide...deshow/ noplane2 /

Look Ma' .... NO IMPACT !!!"

"Like punching a hole in musquito netting"... I saw an impact.

Just me?

http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/noplane2 /

http://www.911hoax.com/gZoomCNN.asp?intPage=14&PageNum=14

http://www.reopen911.org/bluescreen.htm

Impact ?
The plane would have shattered instantly.

Fuselage would have been bouncing off the Towers and cascading down the side of the buildings to the street below.

To be immediately recovered and moved off the street by fire, police, emergency crews, to make way for fire and rescue vehicles.

Look again.
That "plane" literally melts into the steel and concrete of the Tower.

Don't you know a cartoon, simulation or a CGI when you see it ?
They show enough of them on television and dvds.

That CNN shot is about the most ridiculosuly absurd thing I have ever seen passed off as "real".

It's about as real as the notion that "fires brought down the Towers"...

John Albanese on Mike Ruppert's departure to Caracas...

For the record:

!==================
"Ruppert was not a divide and conquer player. He was regularly attacked by Wing TV and Nico. Ruppert was a stickler for credible research -
and pulled no punches with those who espouse junk science.
i frankly can't believe that Ruppert has been run out of the country -
and you guys are all attacking him.
i personally know Mike Kane and Jamie Hecht. They WERE the new york movement before heading west. they are just about the MOST credible 9/11 activists in this movement.
frankly - i can see myself walking away from this movement permanently if this movement treats Ruppert like the enemy - while continuing to trumpt (sic) the voices of pseudo-journalists and junk scientists ......."
--- John Albanese | 08.17.06 - 4:25 pm | #
==================== !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!======================

One more word to "Danse", before i take off for today:

The next setup against Prof. Jones, whether he is actively in the know or not, is already designed, when he was caught by 2 other 9/11 Scholars Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds with another flaw in his paper. Contrary to what Professor Jones said, molten aluminum sometimes does indeed glow in daylight.

When confronted by Reynolds in Fetzer's radio show, Fetzer cut him off the phone and Jones downplayed the issue.

The Steven/Alex Jones tandem is a joke. The thermite UBERALLES hype is a damn setup and you ate it.

But to make you happy, US Media is fooling you by putting a 9/11 Truthling every week on their channels. Strange, that Jones didn't get any invitation, though he was responsible for all this in the first place. Odd, that O'Reiley never even mentioned his name.

Because EJones is protected by those:

http://www.triumf.info/public/
Canada's National Laboratory for Particle and Nuclear Physics

http://www.triumf.info/public/about/partners.php
Collaboration Agreements:

# Comision Nacional de Energia Atomica(Argentina)
# International Atomic Energy Agency, Vienna (Austria)
# Institute of Nuclear Research and Nuclear Energy, Sofia (Bulgaria)
# Institute of Nuclear Physics(Kazakhstan)
# Institute of Nuclear Physics(Uzbekistan).....

# Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (USA)
# Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (USA)
# Los Alamos National Laboratory (USA)
# Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (USA)
# CERN, Geneva (Switzerland)
# INER (Taiwan)

KEK
http://www.kek.jp/intra-e/index.html
High Energy Accelerator Research Organization

SIGMA XI
The scientific Research Society
http://www.sigmaxi.org/meetings/archive/forum.2000.bios.shtml

John Browne
John C. Browne has been director of Los Alamos National Laboratory since 1997. He came to the laboratory in 1979 as a group leader in the Physics Division...

...From 1993 to 1997, Browne was program director for Los Alamos Neutron Science Center (LANSCE) and energy research programs, responsible for overseeing LANSCE research and operations and for coordinating the Department of EnergyÂ’s Office of Energy Research programs.

and his Sonoluminescence clan who patented Prof.Jones' 90s research for the Department of Defense, yet the Dod didn't cancel his clearance yet, though he turned into a "conspiracy theorist".

This guy has classified knowledge in his brain and they don't care that he runs the 9/11 Truth Movement???
LOL, only a fool believes that...

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/physics/Cold-fusion/fd-latest/thruFD...

1995.03.02 / jonesse@vanlab / RE: Sonoluminescence and Fusion Originally-From: jonesse@vanlab.byu.edu Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion Subject: RE: Sonoluminescence and Fusion Date: 2 Mar 95 13:32:16 -0700 Organization: Brigham Young University Dear colleagues: There have been several postings lately regarding sonoluminescence(SL), and a possible connection to fusion. Our work continues on searching for neutron emissions associated with bubble cavitation in sound fields, using our sensitive neutron detectors, deep underground, in Provo Canyon (Utah). I should report that we have not yet detected any neutron emissions from SL, in deuterium-filled bubbles in aqueous solutions. We have, however, achieved both multi-bubble and single-bubble (clock-like) SL using D2 bubbles.

Terry Bollinger and I suggested a possible connection between SL and fusion back in 1992 on this net, and I spoke briefly on the subject at the ICCF-3 meeting in Nagoya in October 1992. But nothing has panned out yet. We have not given up still.

Observations of Single-Pulse Sonoluminescence
M. J. Moran, R. E. Haigh, M. E. Lowry, and D. R. Sweider
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore
http://www-pat.llnl.gov/N_Div/sonolum/sonolum_paper.html

Sonoluminescence (SL) is the emission of flashes of light by imploding air bubbles in liquid...
...These results leave open the possibility that the SL source is substantially hotter than the 10,000 K that was implied above...
If the source temperatures actually are substantially hotter than 10,000 K, then, as numerous authors have speculated,4,5,6 SL might prove to be a fascinating approach to inertial-confinement fusion.

More in the context of Sonolumiescence:

Meeting the Energy Needs of Future Warriors (2004)
http://www.nap.edu/books/0309092612/html/73.html

Robert J. Nowak is a consultant and former program manager at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the Office of Naval Research. He has directed and supported research in fuel cells, batteries, capacitors, energy harvesting, fuel processing, thermal energy conversion, microengines, hydrogen storage, biofuel cells, sonoluminescence, and biomolecular motors. Dr. Nowak initiated the DARPA Palm Power program, which focuses on portable power research and development for a variety of DOD missions...

greg wrote:
"...Crews also helmed Columbia Pacific University, the alma mater of another shady character-John Gray..."

Back in 2004, when Hopsicker, Chussodowski, Broeckers (Germany) and me pointed out on the shady background on Gray/Kashoggi, we got attacked by Hence and Co.

We found the first real dirt movement on this movement and they tried to shut us down, still until now.

You write your history of this movement, i have mine. It's full of lies and deceptions since day 1.

No to all these Rupperts, Judges, Hences, Albaneses and their affiliated hangout victims like Jonathan Gold and co. who wants to hang everyone, exactly what COINTEL-PRO wants.

Over and out for today. Wake up!!!

"Chavez was democratically elected, in fact he's been elected several times, which nullifies your position.

Go read a book."

Saddam was elected too. Got 98% of the vote in fact! So were all of the USSR leaders.

You might want to do some google searches on Chavez to find out what he's about. Why do you like him anyway? You haven't told me yet.

Chavez is just another poison. Bush is on one side of the coin, Chavez on the other. But heads you lose, tails you lose.

Before Ruppert's critics pile on for "abandoning the 9/11 Truth Movement" as of January '05, please see this video from the March '04 9/11 Truth conference held in San Francisco:

"MIKE RUPPERT: 9-11, PEAK OIL AND THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY"
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/ruppertinterview911mar0456k.wmv
advance to the final minute of the video to cut to the chase, he says after the 11/04 election, game over for 9/11 Truth.

Also, here's answers to 10 questions posed by gummit shill "Victor Thorn" of wingtv.net, including the popular "Ruppert advocates population reduction" smear.

Chris,
If you want to understand Hugo Chavez goals, you have to understand Bolivarianism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarianism
Bolivarianism is a set of political doctrines that enjoys currency in parts of South America, especially Venezuela. Bolivarianism is eponymous with Simón Bolívar, the 19th century Venezuelan general and liberator who led the struggle for independence throughout much of South America. This is a seemingly contradictory term as Bolivar viewed himself as a supporter of free-markets and liberal rights, whilst those who support "Bolivarianism" are supporting neo-Marxist policies. One of the main ideals of "Bolivarianism" is promoting the unification of Latin America into one country. The most prominent exponent and architect of Bolivarianism today is Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez.

Unification of South America is just like W's attempt to unify North America.

Both globalists, both have globalist policies.

ok Nico. If you think your time is well spent scurrying around the net leveling charges of disinfo against your colleagues, that's up to you. I think it's a monumental waste of time, and frankly what goes around comes around. You shouldn't be surprised when people do the same to you.

"Saddam was elected too. Got 98% of the vote in fact! So were all of the USSR leaders."

Which is meant to imply that Chavez rigged the vote. Poppycock. Unlike the US, where the last two elections have been blatant frauds, the exit polls (indeed every poll taken in Venezuala) showed overwhelming popular support for Chavez. You're a liar. What makes you think you have the right to decide for Venezualans what's right for them? Typical American arrogance.

The quote from Wiki is also silly. Chavez is not "neo-Marxist"; you might call him "democratic socialist", but even that wouldn't really fit. So far he's merely enacted progressive liberal policies with the stated goal of devolving power to the impoverished majority as much as possible.

I think it's very sad that people fall into this trap of accusing each other of being "agents" or "CIA", including Ruppert himself. This is precisely how the FBI broke up the black panthers and other resistance groups during the COINTELPRO era.

Absolutely correct!

Nico, please follow Ruppert's example and get in one of your cartoon planes & fly back to wherever you came from.

Albanese, it's probably not a good idea to criticize the definitive 9/11 truth video--Loose Change II, until you produce something that comes close.

"Ruppert's "good-bye" is a psyOP decoy to deceive the 9/11 truth movement to give up or be violent."
B.S Detector

I have to say....this was also my first impression after reading his "farewell letter". I've respected Rupport's work, he was my first internet source for 911news, ....but something about this stinks!

As usual its hard to tell a ego sustaining psy-op from a true political/ criminal psy-op.

Between his "call for real blood" (I think he called us pansies!) then followed by his very personal and detailed explanation of his questionable relationships with his coworkers..............

It definately leaves you wondering...?!

No he does say it was suicide and was a personal friend of Webb... It seems that his hit piece article was more of a way to show off, casually including a picture of his book Rubicon sitting on a table alongside pictures of Webb while Webb's family is grieving...
He also said that Alex Jones' listeners are "trailer trash" at the end of that article.
Jeremy | 08.17.06 - 7:14 pm | #

I'm a Ruppert fan, but I was disappointed by that Webb suicide article, for the sole reason that he disses AJones so vindictively. To be clear though, he called AJones "internet trailer trash" not Jones' listeners. Otherwise MCR makes a compelling case that Webb's death was indeed suicide.

I also didn't like the MCR's recent NYT/911 story critique where he disses Loose Change and WG Tarpley.

Not productive, dissing other patriots with whom you're not in perfect alignment. Gummit shills including WingTV, Nico Haupt aka BS Directory, 911blimp, aManDaReckonWith and their other aliases, know only this sort of divide and conquer provocateuring... which "outs them" and what they are.

Two thumbs up for MCR on balance; he just needs to reign in the ego and the temper evident in some of his articles. I look forward to hearing what he has to say.

i never called him a hero, i just take exception to your simplistic comparison to Bush.

Chris, I am not about to quit, I am merely trying to understand Ruppert's point of view. The future will tell who was right.

Chavez, for better or worse, has much more power in his government that puppet Bush has in his. this alone shatters your comparison.

Wow, I'm going to need to read that Ruppert article a couple more times to fully appreciate it--very deep indeed!

It looks like our capitalistic/imperialistic system is failing much like the faux communist system in the Soviet Union failed not long ago.

What do you expect from our system whose main goal is to swindle the weaker side in every transaction? How many people have to remain super poor to make/keep a piece of crap like a Dick Cheney super rich?

We need major, major, change in this country BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!

Real Truther.......great post and I couldn't agree more.

36% of the population beleives the US Government was complicit in the attacks , that is a huge number considering it has been mostly ignored and only recently ridiculed in the MSM.
If we had quite in 2004, as Rupport wanted, this would not be our reality.
If we had created a dramatic minority action in the early days , it this would not have happened. This is not a cause like other social movements, because once you examine the evidence and come to logical conclusion that elements of our own government commited t mass murder of our own citizens for geo-political gain.......well........I don't know any citizen( left, right, or middle) that will come out and say thats Okay....nothing should be done about it.

Thats what makes 911, unique and why theslow education of the people from the ground up is working. Once you see 911as a the viciouse crime that it is......you really can't take a pro-crime position.......this unlike the the civil rights and anti-war movements of the past wher people could acknowledge the existence of the exploitation of blacks or the horrors of a war and still take a position in support of them
.........not with 911, we need to remember that!

Thanks, RP, and good points you raise too. Would you believe though that I have had one guy approach me in the street and say that even though he couldn't deny that it was an inside job, that some things just had to be done for the greater good. This guy was clearly not too bright, but when cognitive dissonance bears fruit you'd be surprised even what dullards will think makes sense. Then I've had those who subscribe to the belief that there are things we just don't need to know... that we should trust our leaders to hide only that which would harm us if we knew it. For the most part though, people are coming around admirably--after years of wondering what the hell was wrong with people I've come to realize that we can't underestimate the psychological aspect and that most people really are good and decent once they get over the emotional block of accepting the truth. It's been an inspiring journey to be sure, as frustrating as its been. Good to know we're not alone as we move forward into the unknown, unwritten future. Truly this is an historic oportunity to set the world on the right track, or a better one anyway!

Would you believe though that I have had one guy approach me in the street and say that even though he couldn't deny that it was an inside job, that some things just had to be done for the greater good.

I'm sure there are loads of NeoCon & msm brain-washed people like this.

"Chavez, for better or worse, has much more power in his government that puppet Bush has in his. this alone shatters your comparison."

I agree with the first part of this, Bush is merely a puppet, but saying that Chavez has more power in his gov doesn't shatter my comparison. The Bush administration wants the world and so does Chavez. You still have not been able to prove me wrong here.

hahahaha, i proved you wrong, you said Chavez was the same as Bush. two sides of the same coin you said. "wanting to take over the world", as you put it, hardly means they are the same person. the power structure down there is much different than up here,i dont need to tell you that.

Bush wants a unified North America.
Chavez wants a unified South America.

Venezuela is a tiny country compared to the U.S., so comparing power structure between the 2 countries is apples/oranges.

How are Chavez' goals good for the world Chris?

How are Chavez' goals good for the world Chris?
kevin | 08.18.06 - 3:10 pm | #
changing the debate i see. i never said he was good for the world, but hes not the same as Bush. thats such a simplistic statement.

Bush wants a unified North America.
Chavez wants a unified South America.
kevin | 08.18.06 - 3:10 pm | #
wow. that about sums it up, 2 sides of the same coin. come on.

Venezuela is a tiny country compared to the U.S., so comparing power structure between the 2 countries is apples/oranges.
kevin | 08.18.06 - 3:10 pm | #
so is comparing Bush and Chavez like you did. thats my point.

You never provided 1 thing to back anything you're saying about Hugo. You seem to be going off of what you "heard" instead of actual research.

sorry kevin, but you seem to have forgotten how this started. let me refresh your memory. you said Bush and Chavez were indistingiushable. the onus is on YOU, not me, to provide proof for your statements. in fact, i posted some facts to show that saying Bush and Chavez are "2 sides of the same coin" is laughable. you provided.........nothing.

care to change the debate again? your pretty good at that......

cant you just admit you overstated your opinion? because it is after all, just your opinion that Bush and Chavez are no different. the facts show otherwise. again, im not saying Chavez is "good for the world", but he sure aint puppet Bush.

How about this difference...?

Bush needs to fight wars to get oil to feed the "addiction"

Chavez has all the oil his country needs.

Isn't world domination all about who has the oil?

The above facts pretty much rules the foreign policy for both.

haha, yeah, i guess in that sense they are the same. but in that sense EVERYONE is the same.

What are you saying about chavez chris? It seems that you want to just toss pot shots. Anyone can do that, but let's see you back up those shots.

kevin, i just got done(look above) saying that the onus is on you. you claimed that Bush and Chavez were 2 sides of the same coin and did NOTHING to back it up. no pot shots here, im done and still waiting for you to explain how Bush and Chavez are oh so much alike.

kevin, i just got done(look above please) saying the onus is CLEARLY on you. YOU were the one that started the Chavez is exactly like Bush discussion. i asked you to back that up, and you have yet to do that. 2 sides of the same coin? sorry buddy, thats way too simplistic and i think you know it, which is why you havent backed it up yet and are trying to push the burden off on me.so please kevin, tell us how Bush and Chavez are so much alike.(and try harder than just "they both want to take over the world." what world leader doesnt?)

sorry for the sort of double post, i thought the first one got scrapped because it didnt show up at first. either way, let me have it kevin, show us how Bush and Chavez are so much alike.

I was disappointed to hear WG Tarpley mischaracterize Ruppert on his radio show yesterday, beginning 11 minutes into the 2nd hour.
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley06.html
He parrots all the same talking points which those who've sought to discredit Ruppert have focused on.

Tarpley made the following descriptions of Ruppert, all of which range from misleading, to demonstrably false.

-Ruppert's "the leading spokesman of LIHOP", based on his reporting of his experience with Delmart Vreeland... a very small part of the picture of 9/11 which Ruppert paints.

-Ruppert "read himself out" the 9/11 Truth Movement with his Jan '05 "Elephants" speech in Seattle.

-Ruppert argued against trying to fight the '04 election vote fraud by the cheney regime.

-Ruppert "constantly harped on the red herring of Peak Oil, itself a fraud by the oil cartel" (obviously PO is a matter of spirited debate).

-Ruppert had "embraced Malthusianism, the notion of population reduction, kicking over into genocide." See Question #1 in 10 Questions Answered.

Unfortunately, there is somewhat of a battle of egos among the 9/11 Truth leaders, including AJones, Tarpley, LC2, and Ruppert. Ruppert alienated all of the former in articles like where he calls Alex Jones "internet trailer trash"; and THE NY TIMES PUTS 9-11 QUESTIONS IN THE GRAVE where he calls Loose Change a fine piece of CIA disinfo, and in HEY CHARLIE SHEEN, WAKE UP! where he describes Tarpley as "a former senior researcher for Lyndon LaRouche—whose intellectual capacity far exceeds his street smarts."

I've said Ruppert's ego/temper is a liability for him, and results in these sort of unproductive cat fights with other Patriots.

Ruppert has recently fallen near to the "perma culture" clan of the peak oil research community most notably represented by Richard Heinberg. That means localize, rebuild your entire living arrangment arround less oil as soon as possible etc. Sounds a bit peaknik and naive but there are still some places around the globe you can do it.

This is just not possible in the majority of the US bare major disslocation such as dramatic decrease of living standard..

If you have no oil in Russia, Cuba you can go to your "datcha" or grandpa's village in the country and survive. You can't do it in the US, most of the land is private property with hired goons behind fences, infrustructure is heavily dependent on oil, suburbia is the worst energy black hole ever created by mankind.

You have to grow up, we are overpopulated and did destroy much of the planet already. I love Tarpley's work but he just don't get the basic mainstream science on population growth, energy depletion etc.

The forthcomming peak oil will present a major economic, social, and political upheavel for this civilization. And it doesn't matter whether it will be just a short pause i.e. some technofix will be found by science or it will be the end and return to more humble agrarian lifestyles. Which will be a bit of nightmare with 8bln people on fosil energy diet by 2030 were the effects of PO are expected to be apparent.

So, my reading of Ruppert is clear the US is for a major clusterfuck in any scenario and he will rather diy trying survive some other place were it has more chances to materialize this plan.

Quite frankly 9/11 is just one of many historic episodes but certainly due to its emotional side with some real chances to get new equilibrium in the system (there were more deaths in the world as a result of the 1963 Dallas coup than there ever will be from 9/11).

But with full investigation into 9/11 how do you contain JFK/MLK/RFK or federal reserve system can of worms?
That's impossible those still living criminals like Arlen Specter, Ford, Cheney, Bush clan, Rockefellas will use what ever means not to allow it, incl. marshall law, WWIII-WWIV or what have you.

Furthermore, in the end most of the american public when asked do you support nuking out Venezuela or ME for oil in times of serious energy shortage will say yes with no remorse, so deal with it.

That's were Ruppert is comming from and he is right..

PS this is no defeatists rant but get real guys.