I know I shouldn't say this but, we are in fact doomed. I will stand up to all of it, but I'm very worried. Remember, I'm the one who flew out to gz to march, from Iowa on the 5th anniversary.
Chris Noth (not verified) on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 6:07pm.
with another great show(for MSM its amazing). i saw the episode he did about lobbying and Abrhamoff, pretty good stuff, but this episode is a MUST SEE:
The future of the Internet is up for grabs. Last year, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) effectively eliminated net neutrality rules, which ensured that every content creator on the Internet-from big-time media concerns to backroom bloggers-had equal opportunity to make their voice heard. Now, large and powerful corporations are lobbying Washington to turn the World Wide Web into what critics call a "toll road," threatening the equitability that has come to define global democracy's newest forum. Yet the public knows little about what's happening behind closed doors on Capitol Hill.
New YouTube WTC collapse vid by mmmlink. This time he does some finite element analysis of the towers to try to match NIST's results (he can't). Then he offers a possible collapse scenario. mmmlink is always good!
One truly valid approach would be to model the actual physics of the plane(s) that ostensibly hit these buildings. Obviously, we would conclude these were not civilian aircraft.
Again, let me explain what really happened, as far as I know:
At the instant of impact, {and possibly nanosceonds earlier,} the EXTERNAL panel members were to have taken an inward-thrust. On the back-side, imbedded in a layer of greenish gooey stuff, were chunks of Sodium. The Sodium ignites upon exposure to Oxygen. This in turn ignites the Magnesium-ribbon, which is the key to the Thermite-reaction.
{Upon seeing the sample, I thought I had never met a more 'proud designer,' -not even Frank Gehry comes close! }
Logic suggests that the Wingspar of the Aircraft was also subjected to this same type of loading. (BTW, NO wingspar has ever 'disintegrated' upon impact. These elements are the strongest portion of any plane. And we observe that none were found, not even in Pennsylvania.)
Back to the physics problem. Once you grasp the importance of the 'skin' and it's relevance to the - "tubular structural design" - then you can begin to model things according to - STANDARD - post & beam, Steel Towers.
Let's say we had a scale model of all of this, with, (or without) the accelerants that I have discussed. It becomes extremely crucial that the nose hit the buildings exactly half-way between the decking-layers. To do this, we need a homing-device, and the plane must be capable of very, very fast directional corrections.
How likely is it that two human operators could do that twice, actually three times in a row?
Combine this, with the clear disparity of having 30 stories fall straight-down after hanging mid-air at an angle of 7 degrees, (or better) while the entire central-structure is supposedly intact. I keep trying to imagine why any licensed architect would accept this scenario. This sort of incompetency suggests a very real problem, greater than 9/11 itself.
Accusing thousands of American and Canadian servicemen
of murdering thier countrymen without cause or evidence
is a greivous insult to those who have volunteered to serve
thier country.
To do it on Remembrance Day is just sick.
MormonJihad (not verified) on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:26pm.
I think Anne Coulter's attack on the Jersey Girls was crossing a line
even for her. I think that the loss the Jersey Girls have suffered has
affected them profoundly in ways neither us, nor even they can
understand.
I think that the vast majority of 9-11 twoofers who hadn't lost anyone
that day are the worst form of gutless cowards for the way they assault
the honor of those who man the ramparts in defense of thier country.
To do so while these men are fiighting in a war, and on Remembrance
Day... is a grave dishonor.
MormonJihad (not verified) on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 11:26pm.
Your attack on "9/11 twoofers" appears to be that you are speaking from a point of willful ignorance. If you're waiting until you're shown a picture of Cheney with his finger on a button that says "Detontate WTC 1" until you can put the pieces of the puzzle together, you're going to have a long wait.
And you're accusation of "twoofers" disrespecting the troops by holding a conference on Veteran's Day is laughable.
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow
I have done my research, I've looked at dozens of websites
and have talked to real engineers, pilots and firefighters.
The inescapable conclusion is that 9-11 was an attack by
islamic fascists.
The theories put forth by the twoofers requires the involvement
of hundreds, if not thousands, of American and Canadian
servicemen participated in and have actively covered up the
murders of those they swore oaths to protect. They do this
withoutv even the slightest effort to prove these allegations.
For twoofers to gather and stab these brave men in the back on
a day set aside to honor thier sacrifices is the darkest and most
viscious betrayal. It is the most repugnant form of ingratitude.
"May posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
MormonJihad (not verified) on Thu, 10/19/2006 - 6:32am.
Real engineers, pilots and firefighters? As opposed to all of those who have conflicting views compared to yours? Does that make these people "unreal"?
Your response tugs at my heartstrings with such phrasings as "stab these brave men in the back", "the most vicious betrayal" etc. You definitely get an "A" for melodramatic writing!
C'mon, you're really Sean Hannity right?
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow
The following is the testimony of a US Air Force officer who was
present at the pentagon on 9-11. It is addressed in response to the
specific attacks made upon him and his brothers in arms by
"JohnDoeX" (using the name "Weedwacker" in the thread), a
forum mod over at the Loose Change forums and founder of
the so-called "Pilots for Truth" (JDX is himself, not a pilot).
I am a Pentagon survivor, I held airplane parts in my hand that day as I did my small bit of service. I talked to people *at the time* who spoke of reading the airline name from the side of the aircraft as it crashed into our building. I am a just-retired AF Lt Colonel, with 25 years of service at retirement. I have served at the Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, and the US Air Force Academy, in addition to being an ICBM commander. I held, at my retirement, a TS/SCI clearance. I say there was an airplane, I saw it.
Am I a liar?
Lt Col Hal Bidlack, Ph.D.
USAF Retired
note: I do not, as a rule, post on this forum any more, but I can not allow this assault on the honor of the people we lost that day to go unchallenged."
The "assault on honor" Lt. Col Bidlack describes was a repeat of
the allegations made by the twoofers of what happened at the
Pentagon.
YOU say you are not betraying them. THEY say otherwise.
MormonJihad (not verified) on Thu, 10/19/2006 - 8:46pm.
islamic fascists? jesus, why dont you just hold up a sign saying "typical rightwing toolbag" using a ridiculous,typical term like that. you are very good at spouting talking points, i'll give you that. if only you knew what true fascism was, you would see the obvious fascist tendencies of the government you blindly shill for. you are a brown shirt sheep-boy, nothing more. history will look at people like yourself the same way it looks down on Nazi appeasers, to use your SecDefs ridiculous analogies.
Fascism, Chris, is when a woman leaves the house without wearing
a big black garbage bag that covers everything but her shoes and is
beaten to death for this "crime".
A "nazi appeaser" is someone who allows a holocaust denier like Rick
Ratjer to post on thier blog without so much as a word of contempt or
derision for his violent hateful philosophy.
MormonJihad (not verified) on Thu, 10/19/2006 - 7:53pm.
you know, you are on the internet, you could just go on Google to get the correct definition of fascism and not frame it in your islamophobic,racist, simplistic, gullible world view. just a tip.
You're the one taking the word of nazis like Killtown and Rick Ratjer
over qualified scientists and engineers as to what happened at
the WTC, yet you call ME "racist" and "gullible"
MormonJihad (not verified) on Thu, 10/19/2006 - 9:45pm.
first, you put words in my mouth, everything ive said about you was based on your past statements. many of them racist, almost all of them gullible. i feel sorry for you. but then, ignorance is bliss, so i bet your fat and happy huh?
so because some racist on some website also thinks 9/11 was an inside job, thats makes everyone here racist? is that how your logic works? that clears a lot up. you are half retarded, i didnt realize that. maybe your racism is born out of that. if so, im sorry i said that, i didnt mean to attack the mentally handicapped. i feel kind of guilty now.
Did not require thousands and thousands of people. Many ignorant minions, yes. Thousands of complicit participants, no.
This is no stab at brave men and women serving their country anywhere in the world or known universe. If anything, we are seeking justice for the brave men and women first responders and rescue workers who are now suffering debilitating lung disease and other illnesses because of what they were exposed to: finely particulated toxic dust.
How did it become dust? I guess the islamic jihadists waved their magic wand of terrorism and popped those steel columns in two whilst pulverizing almost all the concrete and other materials in the WTC into breathable dust.
Oh yeah, that's got to be it. The all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing islamic jihadists! They have secret super-powers! Be afraid! Be very afraid!
wow you have discredited yourself in one phrase by using the logically incorrect vocabulary -
"islamic fascists."
have you looked up the word fascist in the dictionary? you should try because using it in that context makes you look like a moron, mormon, or both.
its so sad and pathetic that neo-cons continue to use this manufactured talking point word. I am so flabbergasted by the ignorance of regurgitating such a ridiculous statement that i dont even know what else to say.
halloween truth
when the knocks at the door come later this month how about giving candy to the kids and a truth dvd to the adults.
thats a great idea!
thats a great idea!
You know something...that's
You know something...that's a damn good idea! I've got 40 dvds ready to go already!
Email: Gideon524@yahoo.com
Website: myspace.com/911thebiglie
Just to keep true to the
Just to keep true to the theme of Halloween, give 'em TerrorStorm - it will scare the shit out of 'em.
speaking of scary...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GjfD-CJCb9U
YOU WILL HIDE BEHIND YOUR COUCH IN FEAR!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA
/////////////////////
911dvds@gmail.com - $1 DVDs shipped - email for info
Well done
I know I shouldn't say this but, we are in fact doomed. I will stand up to all of it, but I'm very worried. Remember, I'm the one who flew out to gz to march, from Iowa on the 5th anniversary.
???
Excuse me for not getting it, but can you be more specific about what you are referring to? What specifically are you worried about?
Moyers is back! 10PM eastern on PBS.
with another great show(for MSM its amazing). i saw the episode he did about lobbying and Abrhamoff, pretty good stuff, but this episode is a MUST SEE:
The future of the Internet is up for grabs. Last year, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) effectively eliminated net neutrality rules, which ensured that every content creator on the Internet-from big-time media concerns to backroom bloggers-had equal opportunity to make their voice heard. Now, large and powerful corporations are lobbying Washington to turn the World Wide Web into what critics call a "toll road," threatening the equitability that has come to define global democracy's newest forum. Yet the public knows little about what's happening behind closed doors on Capitol Hill.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/net/index.html
New YouTube WTC Vid by mmmlink
New YouTube WTC collapse vid by mmmlink. This time he does some finite element analysis of the towers to try to match NIST's results (he can't). Then he offers a possible collapse scenario. mmmlink is always good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmSMU9ls-w
Scientific methods
One truly valid approach would be to model the actual physics of the plane(s) that ostensibly hit these buildings. Obviously, we would conclude these were not civilian aircraft.
Again, let me explain what really happened, as far as I know:
At the instant of impact, {and possibly nanosceonds earlier,} the EXTERNAL panel members were to have taken an inward-thrust. On the back-side, imbedded in a layer of greenish gooey stuff, were chunks of Sodium. The Sodium ignites upon exposure to Oxygen. This in turn ignites the Magnesium-ribbon, which is the key to the Thermite-reaction.
{Upon seeing the sample, I thought I had never met a more 'proud designer,' -not even Frank Gehry comes close! }
Logic suggests that the Wingspar of the Aircraft was also subjected to this same type of loading. (BTW, NO wingspar has ever 'disintegrated' upon impact. These elements are the strongest portion of any plane. And we observe that none were found, not even in Pennsylvania.)
Back to the physics problem. Once you grasp the importance of the 'skin' and it's relevance to the - "tubular structural design" - then you can begin to model things according to - STANDARD - post & beam, Steel Towers.
Let's say we had a scale model of all of this, with, (or without) the accelerants that I have discussed. It becomes extremely crucial that the nose hit the buildings exactly half-way between the decking-layers. To do this, we need a homing-device, and the plane must be capable of very, very fast directional corrections.
How likely is it that two human operators could do that twice, actually three times in a row?
Combine this, with the clear disparity of having 30 stories fall straight-down after hanging mid-air at an angle of 7 degrees, (or better) while the entire central-structure is supposedly intact. I keep trying to imagine why any licensed architect would accept this scenario. This sort of incompetency suggests a very real problem, greater than 9/11 itself.
suggesting that 9/11
suggesting that 9/11 skeptics are having a 'soldier bashing' - a new low for the trolls.
Have you seen Press For
Have you seen Press For Truth? What do you think of those moonbat Jersey Girls?
Those "moonbat Jersey Girls"
Those "moonbat Jersey Girls" have more bollocks than you...
Hang about, I don't waste my time with cowardly anonymous wankers who can't even be bothered to think of a name.
PISS OFF!
I think Anne Coulter's
I think Anne Coulter's attack on the Jersey Girls was crossing a line
even for her. I think that the loss the Jersey Girls have suffered has
affected them profoundly in ways neither us, nor even they can
understand.
I think that the vast majority of 9-11 twoofers who hadn't lost anyone
that day are the worst form of gutless cowards for the way they assault
the honor of those who man the ramparts in defense of thier country.
To do so while these men are fiighting in a war, and on Remembrance
Day... is a grave dishonor.
oh look the centcom goonsquad found an important thread
how cute!
I am a Canadian citizen and
I am a Canadian citizen and do not work for any US government agency.
Have you done any research?
Your attack on "9/11 twoofers" appears to be that you are speaking from a point of willful ignorance. If you're waiting until you're shown a picture of Cheney with his finger on a button that says "Detontate WTC 1" until you can put the pieces of the puzzle together, you're going to have a long wait.
And you're accusation of "twoofers" disrespecting the troops by holding a conference on Veteran's Day is laughable.
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow
I have done my research,
I have done my research, I've looked at dozens of websites
and have talked to real engineers, pilots and firefighters.
The inescapable conclusion is that 9-11 was an attack by
islamic fascists.
The theories put forth by the twoofers requires the involvement
of hundreds, if not thousands, of American and Canadian
servicemen participated in and have actively covered up the
murders of those they swore oaths to protect. They do this
withoutv even the slightest effort to prove these allegations.
For twoofers to gather and stab these brave men in the back on
a day set aside to honor thier sacrifices is the darkest and most
viscious betrayal. It is the most repugnant form of ingratitude.
"May posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
I hear violins quietly playing in the background...
Real engineers, pilots and firefighters? As opposed to all of those who have conflicting views compared to yours? Does that make these people "unreal"?
Your response tugs at my heartstrings with such phrasings as "stab these brave men in the back", "the most vicious betrayal" etc. You definitely get an "A" for melodramatic writing!
C'mon, you're really Sean Hannity right?
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow
The following is the
The following is the testimony of a US Air Force officer who was
present at the pentagon on 9-11. It is addressed in response to the
specific attacks made upon him and his brothers in arms by
"JohnDoeX" (using the name "Weedwacker" in the thread), a
forum mod over at the Loose Change forums and founder of
the so-called "Pilots for Truth" (JDX is himself, not a pilot).
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2007858&postcount=46
"Mr. Weedwhacker,
I am a Pentagon survivor, I held airplane parts in my hand that day as I did my small bit of service. I talked to people *at the time* who spoke of reading the airline name from the side of the aircraft as it crashed into our building. I am a just-retired AF Lt Colonel, with 25 years of service at retirement. I have served at the Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, and the US Air Force Academy, in addition to being an ICBM commander. I held, at my retirement, a TS/SCI clearance. I say there was an airplane, I saw it.
Am I a liar?
Lt Col Hal Bidlack, Ph.D.
USAF Retired
note: I do not, as a rule, post on this forum any more, but I can not allow this assault on the honor of the people we lost that day to go unchallenged."
The "assault on honor" Lt. Col Bidlack describes was a repeat of
the allegations made by the twoofers of what happened at the
Pentagon.
YOU say you are not betraying them. THEY say otherwise.
islamic fascists? jesus, why
islamic fascists? jesus, why dont you just hold up a sign saying "typical rightwing toolbag" using a ridiculous,typical term like that. you are very good at spouting talking points, i'll give you that. if only you knew what true fascism was, you would see the obvious fascist tendencies of the government you blindly shill for. you are a brown shirt sheep-boy, nothing more. history will look at people like yourself the same way it looks down on Nazi appeasers, to use your SecDefs ridiculous analogies.
Fascism, Chris, is when a
Fascism, Chris, is when a woman leaves the house without wearing
a big black garbage bag that covers everything but her shoes and is
beaten to death for this "crime".
A "nazi appeaser" is someone who allows a holocaust denier like Rick
Ratjer to post on thier blog without so much as a word of contempt or
derision for his violent hateful philosophy.
you know, you are on the
you know, you are on the internet, you could just go on Google to get the correct definition of fascism and not frame it in your islamophobic,racist, simplistic, gullible world view. just a tip.
You're the one taking the
You're the one taking the word of nazis like Killtown and Rick Ratjer
over qualified scientists and engineers as to what happened at
the WTC, yet you call ME "racist" and "gullible"
first, you put words in my
first, you put words in my mouth, everything ive said about you was based on your past statements. many of them racist, almost all of them gullible. i feel sorry for you. but then, ignorance is bliss, so i bet your fat and happy huh?
I'm no racist, if you want
I'm no racist, if you want to see real racists... talk to your fellow twoofers:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=297290
so because some racist on
so because some racist on some website also thinks 9/11 was an inside job, thats makes everyone here racist? is that how your logic works? that clears a lot up. you are half retarded, i didnt realize that. maybe your racism is born out of that. if so, im sorry i said that, i didnt mean to attack the mentally handicapped. i feel kind of guilty now.
Wrrooonng
Did not require thousands and thousands of people. Many ignorant minions, yes. Thousands of complicit participants, no.
This is no stab at brave men and women serving their country anywhere in the world or known universe. If anything, we are seeking justice for the brave men and women first responders and rescue workers who are now suffering debilitating lung disease and other illnesses because of what they were exposed to: finely particulated toxic dust.
How did it become dust? I guess the islamic jihadists waved their magic wand of terrorism and popped those steel columns in two whilst pulverizing almost all the concrete and other materials in the WTC into breathable dust.
Oh yeah, that's got to be it. The all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing islamic jihadists! They have secret super-powers! Be afraid! Be very afraid!
dont worry, he is afraid,
dont worry, he is afraid, very very afraid. poor fearful little gullible bastard.
wow you have discredited
wow you have discredited yourself in one phrase by using the logically incorrect vocabulary -
"islamic fascists."
have you looked up the word fascist in the dictionary? you should try because using it in that context makes you look like a moron, mormon, or both.
its so sad and pathetic that neo-cons continue to use this manufactured talking point word. I am so flabbergasted by the ignorance of regurgitating such a ridiculous statement that i dont even know what else to say.
good day to you.
hi mormon, in the nazi
hi mormon, in the nazi times we used to say "why dont you support the brown shirts"
Who
said anything about servicemen? We believe the government was responsible. Not the military per se. Hellllooooo.
As a proud twoofer I have no
As a proud twoofer I have no idea what "thousands of servicemen" you are talking about.
Looks great! we need more of these at the Universities!
Can't wait to see some video of the events.Radical Pragmatist