World Trade Center Demolition Video Verified?
Badmachine Thu, 05/03/2007 - 3:32am
Footage recorded on 9/11 of the apparent demolition of the World Trade Center seems to be verified by independent sources.
Also, large amounts of smoke are clearly seen emerging from WTC 2 just prior to it's collapse, even though it's collapse is said to have started 80 stories above street level.
Firefighter recollections can be verified here:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a1028explosionsheard...
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Rick "Bugsy" Siegel
For all the newcomers, it's important that we point out that Siegel is not considered an honest truthseeker. Someone remind me--aside from pushing mininukes what are some of the other things he did to expose himself? Interesting too the dancing Israelis were also "documenting the event" from Hoboken...
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Rick Siegel may be a fake.. But is the footage ???
I agree that Rick Siegel has over the last 18 months more or less 100% proven that he is NOW not credible...
But does that statement hold true for the actual video footage shot back in 2001 ???
I have analyzed the original, not the nuke version 2 out now, I thoroughly compared parts with other sources and it matches up pretty well.
Maybe the whole idea is to discredit the footage, by discrediting Rick (self done I agree).
Fetzer did a similar thing with the Zapruder footage, by saying it was fake etc.
I will tread with caution, but until someone can show discrepancies with other sources, I will not rule it out as being correct.
The audio could be faked mind...
Best wishes
Footage Seems To Speak For Itself.
I can't speak to Seigels views, but his footage seems to correspond with explosion reports provided.
If fake, it would be the most sophisticated fakery I've ever been witness to.
The explosion sounds are large and distant and would seem very difficult to recreate. There are sounds of people speaking and camera shutters activating, along with the transitor radio broadcast and even distant sirens.
And when the camera is rotated, the change in angle can be noted in the sounds of the likely stationary radio.
I agree that the analysis and conclusions drawn in the sequel are not credible but the footage seems to speak for itself.
IF NOTHING ELSE, THIS VIDEO CLEARLY REVEALS THE SMOKE RISING FROM THE BASE OF WTC 2, IN CONFLICT WITH THE GOVERNMENTS POINT OF VIEW THAT THE COLLAPSES WERE CAUSED BY EVENTS 80-90 FLOORS ABOVE STREET LEVEL.
regarding the audio
Since Siegels film is not just raw footage on a cam corder, but is an edited compilation of cam corder video and audio, with graphic overlays, narration tracks, etc it is quite easy to dub anything audio-wise into the final product, anything at all. Having experience with music and audio production I can tell you its quite easy to do awesome audio effects even using very inexpensive audio tracking software, or even free utilities like Audacity. I am not accusing or clearing Seigel of anything, all I am saying that is the explosions heard in his audio track could have been added. The only way to prove or disprove it for sure would be to have his cam corder in your hand and watch the footage and listen to its audio directly. An edited post production is not proof.
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Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB
Siegels video is corroborated by this BBC vid...
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=8&med=0&ord=Name&strt=0&vid=1...
wait 'til the motorcycle drives past and then crank up your speakers and pay attention to the reactions from people in the street BEFORE the South Tower falls. You'll pick up the explosions a lot better with headphones.
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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening
for the record
I tend to accept that the explosions heard are authentic based on the countless eyewitness testimonies that express that exact scenario, and I have no reason to believe that the Siegel audio is doctored. By the same token, however, I know that the Siegel video could have easily been doctored, so it cannot be held as sole proof of explosions.
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Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB
Listen Carefully To Audio Of WTC 1 Explosion
One will note that just before the initial 'boom' that there is a weaker rumbling sound that gets louder and louder, just before the 1st boom.
I tend to think that this is the 'bang, bang, bang, bang, bang' sounds (distorted by the distance.) described by the witness in the hospital gown in the video clip, that come before the '3 big explosions described by him and heard in the video.
All honest controlled demolitions are DESIGNED....(Edit)
....to IMPLODE inward.....that's why you've ONLY seen those....the companies involved don't want exploding OUTWARD demolitions (as the Twins were) for obvious reasons....
By making the Twins "explosive demolitions" (exploding outward), you increase the psychological effect of their destruction. And, the perps obviously would like to avoid comparisons with controlled demolition implosions.
I'm sure there are any number of conventional explosives that could do the job of blowing the core columns outward and disintegrating "the towers" (edit) from the top down in a controlled, timed manner.
So why should we support a theory (Space Beams) for which there is absolutely no evidence?
Lets dispell the north tower core disintegration myth
right here and right now. The core APPEARS to some to disintegrate only on grainy/lossy internet video. If you watch any normal quality video from the news broadcasts that day there is stunningly clear video (and close up as well) that shows the core, just after the north tower collapse, swaying in the breeze for a few moments, then it clearly FALLS from its base, straight down into its own footprint (much like 7 and normal CD's). It really comes down to seeing these video archives as opposed to what you want to see on lossy compression internet video. This is the same problem (lossy compression) that causes images of the plane hitting the south tower to appear as if the wing disappears. Its nothing more than data averaging which is how compression works. Unfortunately people see these optical illusions, and unwittingly fall for them. I also did see clear video of the south tower crushing wtc 3, which is later claimed to have a "mysterious Paul Bunion cleave" in it. Theres nothing mysterious, most of the outer wall of the south tower fell on it!
view good sources before deciding what youve seen, please
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Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB
Totally agreed...
The bits of core still standing, can clearly be seen falling (not disintegrating) on several high quality videos.
911blogger, arie has copies of video to prove it.
It is also in the BBC World footage for the day.
It 100% definately fell away, as it does in the below unedited and original picture (click for full size image).
Best wishes
Surprise, Surprise... look who's promoting this nonsense
Dr. James Fetzer and his "Lying Eyes" [see for high res clips]
"Dr. James Fetzer and Dr. Judy Wood continue to promote the magical 'dustification' of large amounts of steel in the towers even though no significant amount of steel dust was found in dust samples (see paper referenced below for details). They both promote a video clip from '911 eyewitness' which, they say, proves that the steel core spires from the North Tower turn to dust. However, multiple camera angles clearly show the spires merely falling. Either Dr. Fetzer's analytical abilities are inept or his motives are unprinicipled since he was aware of the other video perspectives in early December, 2006."
A Brief Analysis of Dr. Judy Wood’s Request for Correction to NIST: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Greg Jenkins and Judy Wood: An Interview and Analysis
I think it’s safe to say that DEW has now been conclusively and overwhelmingly debunked with these articles and Dr. Jenkins' paper in the Journal of 9/11 studies. For a good laugh read the interview analysis and listen to the first quotation.
Jim Fetzer: “I must say I think we’re finding out Judy, what happened on 9/11. I’m just blown away by your work. This is the most fascinating development in the history of the study of 9/11… I’m going to make a wild guess Judy; I’m going to presume that these [directed energy] beams had to be located in Building 7?”
Judy Wood: “Nope. I don’t think so.”
Fetzer: “Planes?”
Judy Wood:” No… I think it’s very likely it’s in orbit.”
Fetzer: “Oh Really?? Oh ho ho ho ho! Oh Judy. Oh my oh my oh my oh my. This is huge… this is huge Judy.”
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
" thermite doesn't explode like C4." -->No kidding.
"Also, thermite doesn't explode like C4. sure, they could have planted both .."
Fetzer's disinformation campaign intrudes. No one has ever said that they didn't use a combination of means to bring down the supporting columns. Fetzer's implication that ONLY thermite was involved is pure smear.
Dr. Jones accounts for the molten metal found cascading out of the tower just before it fell AS WELL AS pools of "molten metal" described by numerous rescue workers which kept the temperature of the rubble pile above 1400degF for months after the event. The cascading metal appears to be steel, by its coloring.
Debunkers try to claim that no "molten steel" was there, and since no one was collecting the evidence, we can't really tell what the molten metal consisted of in the "pools." But the towers contained may tons of aluminum (its entire exterior), and the melting point of aluminum is about 1200 deg. F. There's the answer.
As NIST tells us that the jet fuel burned off within 20 minutes, that isn't going to account for months worth of superheating in the rubble pile.
Look into the work of Steven Jones and Keven Ryan if you want to understand this issue.
70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11
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http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/
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A MUST see Prof Steven Jones Video (14-Apr-2007)
From the PNACitizen "Rebuilding America's Senses" Conference in Austin, TX.
Where he discusses breaking NEW evidience of Thermate arson in the WTC, including detailed analysis of dust that entered Janette Mackinley's apartment (via broken windows) across the street from the WTC complex.
The video is just over 1hr 9mins...
Description : Presenting new evidence - results of energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy of WTC dust, which perfectly match with thermite residues, thus providing irrefutable scientific evidence for use of thermite in WTC
GV Link : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4549750234983943323
Download (thanks sector) : http://911mysteries.yweb.sk/download/9-11--PNAC-14.Apr.2007--Steven-Jones/9-11--PNAC-14.Apr.2007--Steven-Jones.avi
Don't miss this !!!
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Explosions
"They went up. I actually had the control that day and 22 Engine went up. The elevator came back down, 13 got on and said, listen, if you guys want the elevator, we're not coming back with it. You've got to send somebody up. The officer actually said for me to give my radio to a senior guy there, Louie Cacchioli, and he took the radio off of me and he went up. We were waiting in I guess like a little almost like a cutout area of the lobby, an elevator bank. One elevator was only working out of like four elevators in that bank. The door closed, they went up, and it just seemed a couple seconds and all of a sudden you just heard like it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came and my officer just actually took all of us and just threw us down on the ground and kind of just jumped on top of us, laid on top of us. [...] At this point, there's a guy from my firehouse on his way up in the elevator. They got up to the 22nd floor and 13 Truck got off the elevator. He said to the guy -- this is before the actual collapse happened. He said to him stay here with us, stay here with me, because if this elevator closes, I don't have any tools. As soon as he said that, the elevator closed and that's when the actual collapse of the building happened."
"I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit. We then realized the building started to come down."
David Ray Griffin, Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories
“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."
Sounds of "floors collapsing"
"It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit. We then realized the building started to come down"
Of course, video footage would have shown them that no floor collapsed before the building started to come down...