FBI Records Chief Describes Unsuccessful Search For Identifying Records Of 9/11 Aircraft Wreckage & Flight Data Recorders

The following is a statement by the Section Chief of the Record/lnformation Dissemination Section ("RlDS") of the FBI regarding the unsuccessful search for records or facsimiles of records, pertaining the 4 aircraft identified by the FBI and NTSB as being used during terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 or wreckage generated by them, including 2 flight data recorders. This statement is a defense exhibit for use in an upcoming oral arguments hearing pertaining to a federal court case for records for the 4 aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

SEARCH FOR RECORDS RESPONSlVE
TO PLAINTIFF'S REQUEST

Plaintiff's original FOIA request sought "documentation pertaining to any formally and positively identified debris" from the aircraft used in the September 11th attacks. In response to this request, RIDS personnel at FBIHQ understood that any potentially responsive records would have been compiled for law enforcement purposes and would be located in a pending file because of an ongoing law enforcement investigation. RIDS personnel therefore determined that any records would be withheld in their entirety pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(7)(A). The FBI then received a copy of plaintiff's complaint for injunctive relief, later amended, wherein plaintiff requested the FBI to "produce agency records, concerning documentation revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant (with the aid of the National Transportation Safety Board) as belonging to the said aircraft, presumably through the use of unique serial number identifying information contained by the said aircraft wreckage, that was collected by defendant and which defendant has improperly withheld from plaintiff." In response to this request, RlDS conducted a search for potentially responsive records at FBIHQ on February 11, 2008. A search of the CRS was conducted using the following subjects: "Airline Debris," "Debris Identification," "Commercial Aircraft," "Aircraft Identification," "Aircraft Debris," "Aircraft Wreckage," "Aircraft," "Recovered Debris," "National Transportation and Safety Bureau," "National Transportation Safety Board," "NTSB," "American Airlines," "American Airlines Flight," "American Airlines Flight Eleven," "American Airlines Flight Number 11," "American Airlines Flight 77," "N334AA," "N612UA," "N644AA," "N591UA," "Flight 175," "Flight 11," "Flight 77," "Flight 93," "Identifying Aircraft Parts," "Factual Report Aviation," "Federal Aviation Administration," "Pentbomb," "Ground Zero," "Freshkills Landfill," and "Fresh Kills Landfill."

Despite this extensive and detailed search effort, RlDS has been unable to locate any FBI records responsive to plaintiffs request. RIDS' search efforts included a verification by the case agent for the investigation. The case agent stated that since the identities of the four hijacked aircraft have never been in question by the FBI, NTSB or FAA (evidence collected after September 11, 2001 has corroborated the fact that American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, American Airlines Flight 77 and United Flight 93 were the aircraft hijacked), no records would have been generated responsive to plaintiffs request for documents.

Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1746, I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct, and that Exhibits A-J attached hereto are true and correct copies.

Executed this 8th day of August, 2008

David M. HARDY
Section Chief
Records/Information Dissemination Section
Records Management Division
Federal Bureau of lnvestigation Washington, D.C.

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So Let Me Get This Straight . . .

The FBI is saying that they are *assuming* the wreckage they have is from the hijacked planes?

OH. MY. GOD.

Can't believe this is the first comment, Aidan. Your work to get this admission out of the FBI is absolultely huge. Shouldn't flares be going up? Smoke signals to Jones, Griffin, Tarpley, et al.??

Several Possibilities

The FBI search should have generated the airline and FAA records for each aircraft. These would be essential source records. The FBI held onto private records such as the Sheraton and Citgo videos for AA 77 without returning them. Presumably they seized the airline and FAA records also and would apparently not have returned them either. If they did return them, then common sense suggests they would have generated copies for their own use.

The FAA says their records for the aircraft are unavailable for release by them, suggesting another party controls them. If the FBI doesn't control them, then who does?

I have wondered if the 4 9/11 aircraft were involved in the NORAD exercises that took place in the 2 years before 9/11 that simulated hijacked passenger planes being turned into guided missiles. The FAA and other agencies have used commercial aircraft for various exercises over the years. If these planes were used for such exercises, the FAA and possibly the airlines would have documented these events.

The very same London tube stations were used for exercises within which the 7/7 attacks were carried out.

NORAD Had Drills of Jets as Weapons

April 18, 2004

"In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating ... hijacked airliners used as weapons ... NORAD, in a written statement, confirmed ... "Numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft "".

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

Here is an exchange I had with the FAA FOIA officer regarding records they may have regarding these exercises. If the FAA didn't have any responsive records, they would have said so. Instead, they refer me to NORAD who is not subject to the FOIA. If NORAD were using commercial aircraft over U.S. airspace for any reason, the FAA would have likely have to sanction or evaluate the activity. The fact that they won't give me a straight answer suggests to me that perhaps they had such records once upon a time. Might such records have been seized by the FBI along with the 9/11 aircraft records?

You will need to address your request to NORAD.

Thank you
FAA FOIA Office

"Aidan Monaghan"

To
7-AWA-ARC-FOIA/AWA/FAA@FAA
08/23/2008 04:42AM
Subject
Re: FOIA Request

Is the below information intended to indicate that the FAA did not locate
any FAA records responsive to the original request or that the requested
FAA records are only available through NORAD/USNORTHCOM PA?

Thank you.

----- Original Message -----
From: <7-awa-arc-foia@faa.gov>
To: "Aidan Monaghan"
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: FOIA Request

Mr. Monaghan:

Re your August 7 FOIA request, please contact the following:

NORAD/USNORTHCOM PA

250 Vandenberg, Ste. B-016

Peterson AFB, CO 80914-3808

email: noradpa@norad.mil

FAA FOIA Office

----- Original Message -----
From: Aidan Monaghan
To: 7-awa-arc-foia@faa.gov
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: FOIA Request

Federal Aviation Administration
National Freedom of Information Act Staff, ARC-40
800 Independence Avenue, SW
Washington, DC 20591

Re: Freedom of Information Act Request

I respectfully request copies of the following FAA records:

FAA certifications provided for aircraft used by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) during the following exercises conducted prior to September 11, 2001.

"In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating ... hijacked airliners used as weapons ... NORAD, in a written statement, confirmed ... "Numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft "".

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

FAA certifications provided for aircraft used by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) during the Amalgam Virgo II exercise conducted in June, 2002.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0206/04/lt.08.html

Disclosure of the requested information to me is not in my commercial interest.

Thank you for your consideration of this request.

If the 9/11 aircraft were involved in any pre-9/11 military or other exercises, this information would likely be held under lock and key.

Interesting possibility

"If the 9/11 aircraft were involved in any pre-9/11 military or other exercises, this information would likely be held under lock and key."

Yes, likely NORAD's "national security" classification prerogative would overide both FAA and FBI disclosure authorities.

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

One way airliners and other aircraft are used in War Games...

War Games are games first and war second...by that I mean that the scripts are imaginative and created from designer's "imaginations".

In my experiences in working civilian or other aircraft that are "subjects" of War Game Scenarios, the identity or transponder codes of certin aircraft on certain routes of flight within and across the USofA are witheld from NORAD's computer base and therefore, the targets, known and followed by the FAA, show up as "unknown primary targets" on NORAD's radar and compter monitoring systems. [Often they call us to see if we are working the aircraft...which means that they had dicovered the intruder...]

The odd thing is that these "subject aircraft" do not even know that they are being used for such "objects" and they fly their normal routes with not one noteicable difference. All the War Game simulation "reactions" up to scrambles [not intercepts] are what is measured for those War Games "tests" and of course, these "fake hijacks" , or whatever the simulation might be, have nary a clue that all this is going on behind the NORAD curtains.

It is unreasonable to think that an airliner would be knowingly disrupted by modifying routings, turning off its transponder, or being intercepted as that would be very dangerous...and uneccessary to measure the War Games' responses. If any of us were passengers and saw interceptors, or began to fly in odd directions and were told it was because the airliner was part of a War Game Scenario, I think that tehre wouldbe "issues"...don'tcha think?

This thread is looking into the specific airlners used on 9/11 as being the same ones used in years before, and further, I am deducing that as such, they had been "modified" for such actions years before and were positioned in place on 9/11 to pull this all off. I find this unlikely and uneccessary.

However, it is possible that during the lifetime of any of the four airliners, they may have been an "unknowing, or unwitting" subject of War Games going on around them as they flew their normal schedules. Again, the pilots,airlines and passengers would most likely know nothing about any of this. Existing enroute ATCs may be more up-to-date in all of this and it would be nice to hear from some.

Although I do not subscribe to the "remote control takeover" of these airliners on 9/11 at this time, this is surely a possibility and as such, this line of inquiry may bear fruit someday. The radios onboard the aircraft would also have tobe shut down because there would be some very unhappy professional pilots who would "share" their concerns that they had lost control of their aircraft...the "mayday" calls thing.

My position is fairly simple...the four airliners WERE NOT being flown by the professional airline pilots who were assigned to command those four flights on 9/11....Burlingame possibly excepted.

So, back to AA77 and Chip Burlingame. Burlingame was allegedly part of the Pentagon analysis team that looked for vulnerabilities regarding hijacked airliners attacking the Pentagon some two years before 9/11, and AA77 was the ONLY airliner that was fully and completely lost to positive radar contact. Further, AA77 was NEVER positively re-radar identified at any time hence. The primary target acknowledged by Danielle O'Brien was thought to be a military aircraft and nobody did what is required to identify an aircraft that has no transponder signal. So, there is an interesting possibility that, beyond my own personal experiences of years past, Burlingame and AA77 could have been what I call: THE "False-Flag-Flight" on 9/11.

Many people agree that the weakest element of the 9/11 attacks was the possibility that the hijacker "cockpit take-over" and subsequent "piloting and navigation accuracy" issues would be uneccessary risks. However, with Burlingame on board AA77, and the day's events unfolding in what could be termed "The 9/11 Attack War Game Scenario" [which could easily be buriied within the compartmentalization required of ALL War Games and in which AA77 could have had a real world role], it is not that great a "stretch" to have Burlingame and AA77 change its flight path, descend down low below radar coverage [as was noted that it had begun to do in the NTSB Flight Path Study attachment], and then scoot away undetected to a secure military airfiled somewhere. Just a possibility IF its proven that it is NOT AA99 parts at the Pentagon...

And of course, the primary target "discovered" by Danielle Obrien certainly could be the real AA77 also, but for the moment, the HI PERPS are trying to establish the identity of this "craft?" [first noted west of Dulles] from the crash site evidence atthe Pentagon and then by working its identity backward to establish the airvehicle's identity. But this evidence is in some question.

Also, I believe that it is a misunderstanding that "inserts" or "inputs", ie: phantom airplanes, were placed into the FAA radar systems and thusly onto the FAA's ATC radar scopes. This is not common to the FAA's "real world" air traffic procedures. Such electronically generated targets onto FAA radar screens can take place in its radar training facilities or simulations.

However, since NORAD runs constant War Games Scenarios where they have to be able to simulate attacking aircraft, NORAD's computer programming indeed does have a "target generator" program...and obviously, a "target eliminator" program.

So, when there is talk of "inserts" or "inputs" on 9/11, it has to do with inserts-inputs into, and back out of, the NORAD radar and computer programming environment...and NOT within the FAA's radar and computer programming environment.

There are no reports from any FAA air traffic controllers that there were any "inserts-inputs" on the FAA radar scopes on 9/11...nor is there an acknowledgement that such programming even exists which is able to affect the FAA's everyday ATC activities.

Mark Gaffney will soon be releasing a book about "Mystery Airplanes" flitting all around WDC on 9/11...even after the system was shut down, and he will bring some more light upon these "radar target" subjects as well as to the authenticity of some of the rdara data released from RADES and other Governmental agencies.

In understanding War Games, its really important to acknowledge that the FIRST part of any War Game is the imagination of the designer of such games. They are all fictional events designed to "trick and test" the defensive capabiities of NORAD, and then they are inserted into a computer program and radar target "generating-eliminating" system that is designed to NOT show any differences between real and fake targets.

In these War Games, FAA airspace, FAA normal ATC procedures, and FAA flight plans are used to conduct SOME ELEMENTS of such War Games Scenarios...but not the deep and secretive aspects of such.

Love, Peace and Progress

Robin Hordon

Unbelievable !

Great work on this request. This case gets more unbelievable everyday. We can find and isolate DNA but a black box especially made for crash analysis etc can't be located. The most significant aviation event in US history and we're batting 0 for 4.

The sad part...

they will hide for national security reasons just like JFK. Worse yet Obama or McCain will pardon Bush and Dick. That defines the definition of BULLSHIT.

Biggest terrorist attack in U.S.A. history & key records &

evidence of the 4 airliners is missing or non-existent??? That, in & of itself, is criminal!!!

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perfectly consistent with the cover-up

These results aren't surprising when you know that the basic approach was to not investigate 9/11. The only reason the commission existed was due to pressure from families. This information shows just how criminally negligible the U.S. government treated a mass-murder.

Remember, they destroyed the steel at ground zero. They destroyed FAA tapes. So this is perfectly consistent with the cover-up--it's not an anomaly. Normally, you investigate a crime that kills 3000 people with some semblance of urgency and thoroughness.
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spot on!

as usuall Arabesque!

No records = no murder weapon = no convictions

Basically, the FBI has stated in court documents that no proper criminal investigation was conducted. Nice, this is a get-out-jail card for anyone prosecuted for any crimes related to the Pentagon attack. Short of direct forensic evidence or a confession, no "terrorist" will be convicted.

When the murder weapon "airplane" is in the sole custody of the FBI and the FBI fails to identify it when it is easily identifable, the law will presume that the actual murder weapon is not what the prosecution alledges it is ie "one of the 4 highjacked planes".

I can not fathom that the non-identication of the plane parts was by oversight. It is mandatory that a criminal instrument be identified not only for NTSB purposes but for criminal prosecution purposes. Insurance, tort and criminal proceedings all need to prove the fact of what EXACTLY hit the Pentagon.

One can not understate that failure to identify the murder weapon is so routine and instrumental in any criminal prosecution, that failure to do so can only be motived by a desire of the FBI and its bosses to prevent any criminal prosecution, especially their own!

Good point

The military commissions won't bother with such trivial details.

Actually, there have been two criminal prosecutions, Moussaoui in U.S. federal court and Mounir el-Motassadeq in Germany, that were founded on the unquestioned premise that the planes are the murder weapons. In Germany, the defendant was convicted of aiding and abetting murder of the people on the planes merely because of an association with one or more of the alleged hijackers. The underlying murder, as you say, has not been proven. These cases are a travesty, as was the use of witness statements by KSM and the other guy without opportunity to have them produced in court. The fact that Moussaoui pled guilty after the appeal allowing this does not make this OK.

Aiden, your investigations

Aiden, your investigations are superb. Please compile them into book form and perhaps a new audience will enter 9/11 Truth through the compelling, epic saga of FOIA requests.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Agencies cannot have states of mind

"The case agent stated that since the identities of the four hijacked aircraft have never been in question by the FBI, NTSB or FAA ....."

The FBI, NTSB and FAA are Agencies. Agencies cannot have states of mind such as intellectual conviction, or belief, or doubt etc. etc.

Only human beings can have conviction, belief or doubt. So WHO EXACTLY -- that is - what individual human being or which individual human beings have "never questioned the identity etc....?

And on what evidence did this person or persons conclude whatever it was that he/she/they concluded?

And WHO is this "case agent" that speaks for "entities and agencies?"

I do not expect any answers to my questions. I just make these comments and ask these questions because I can't stand to do nothing.

THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE SEARCHED "FLIGHT DATA RECORDER"

Or "FDR."

The NTSB has in writing stated that FBI has the Flight Data Recorders. Make sure you have them search for them formally, and then if they give the same excuse (they will), you have them caught in a lie. The NTSB letter can be used against FBI for violating the Freedom of Information Act.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

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Great approach, Aidan

and thanks a lot for that. More and more your FOIA method is yielding fruit.

Apparently FBI and FAA are not able to provide documents that the 4 airliners were indeed the ones that hit the towers or that they were NOT involved in the wargames.

Not surprising for me, who has always said that 9/11 was conducted as a Operation Northwoods/plane swap maneuver based on military exercise plots.

Just my 2 cents.

Incompetent FBI Merely 'Assumed' Wreckage to be Hijacked Planes

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/08/28/p2815...

Len Hart 08/28/08

Incompetent FBI Merely 'Assumed' Wreckage to be Hijacked Planes

The FBI has admitted, officially, that it cannot find any 'evidence' or documentation to support popular myths that some four airliners were hijacked by terrorists and used as weapons on 911. Their investigation, says the FBI, was based upon the never questioned assumption that the said flights had been hijacked.

The Bush 'presidency' is not an administration; it is a criminal conspiracy! This comes on the heels of my recent article in which I cited flight data released by the NTSB indicating that Flight 77 never dropped below 273 feet.

The latest disclosure from the FBI, however, pull the rug from beneath a panoply of black-hearted lies by Bush and most of his administration. The official conspiracy theory of 911 is kaput! There is not a shred of evidence in support of anything said by Bush about 911 at any time.

Bush's official conspiracy theory is now proven to have been a tissue of lies from its inception! It is now proven to have been based upon mere assumptions by the FBI. Let's put this another way: there is absolutely nothing to support Bush/Rummie/Powell/Rice assertions with regard to any aspect of 911. In short: Bush has absolutely nothing with which he may prove any statement ever made by him or his administration with regard to the crime of mass murder called '911' for short! The following statement from David M. Hardy, Section Chief, Records, FBI, was posted on 911Bloggers.com:

The following is a statement by the Section Chief of the Record/lnformation Dissemination Section ("RlDS") of the FBI regarding the unsuccessful search for records or facsimiles of records, pertaining the 4 aircraft identified by the FBI and NTSB as being used during terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 or wreckage generated by them, including 2 flight data recorders. This statement is a defense exhibit for use in an upcoming oral arguments hearing pertaining to a federal court case for records for the 4 aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11,

2001.SEARCH FOR RECORDS RESPONSlVETO PLAINTIFF'S REQUESTPlaintiff's original FOIA request sought "documentation pertaining to any formally and positively identified debris" from the aircraft used in the September 11th attacks. In response to this request, RIDS personnel at FBIHQ understood that any potentially responsive records would have been compiled for law enforcement purposes and would be located in a pending file because of an ongoing law enforcement investigation. RIDS personnel therefore determined that any records would be withheld in their entirety pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(7)(A). The FBI then received a copy of plaintiff's complaint for injunctive relief, later amended, wherein plaintiff requested the FBI to "produce agency records, concerning documentation revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant (with the aid of the National Transportation Safety Board) as belonging to the said aircraft, presumably through the use of unique serial number identifying information contained by the said aircraft wreckage, that was collected by defendant and which defendant has improperly withheld from plaintiff."

In response to this request, RlDS conducted a search for potentially responsive records at FBIHQ on February 11, 2008. A search of the CRS was conducted using the following subjects: "Airline Debris," "Debris Identification," "Commercial Aircraft," "Aircraft Identification," "Aircraft Debris," "Aircraft Wreckage," "Aircraft," "Recovered Debris," "National Transportation and Safety Bureau," "National Transportation Safety Board," "NTSB," "American Airlines," "American Airlines Flight," "American Airlines Flight Eleven," "American Airlines Flight Number 11," "American Airlines Flight 77," "N334AA," "N612UA," "N644AA," "N591UA," "Flight 175," "Flight 11," "Flight 77," "Flight 93," "Identifying Aircraft Parts," "Factual Report Aviation," "Federal Aviation Administration," "Pentbomb," "Ground Zero," "Freshkills Landfill," and "Fresh Kills Landfill."

Despite this extensive and detailed search effort, RlDS has been unable to locate any FBI records responsive to plaintiffs request.RIDS' search efforts included a verification by the case agent for the investigation. The case agent stated that since the identities of the four hijacked aircraft have never been in question by the FBI, NTSB or FAA (evidence collected after September 11, 2001 has corroborated the fact that American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, American Airlines Flight 77 and United Flight 93 were the aircraft hijacked), no records would have been generated responsive to plaintiffs request for documents. Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1746, I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct, and that Exhibits A-J attached hereto are true and correct copies.

Executed this 8th day of August, 2008David M. HARDY
Section Chief
Records/Information Dissemination Section
Records Management Division
Federal Bureau of investigation, Washington, DC--911Bloggers.com

In other words, there is no official documentation, evidence connecting any of the said flights to the events of 911. In other words, there is no proof whatsoever that any flight at any time did what the Bush administration has told the American people that it did.

There is no evidence, for example, that Flight 77 struck the Pentagon. Indeed, this blog reported just days ago official NTSB flight data represented by NTSB to be from Flight 77. This information is directly contrary to the 'official conspiracy theory'. According to this NTSB data, Flight 77 could not have crashed into the Pentagon; after take off, it never dropped below 273 feet. At this point, it may be well to sum up some previous posts.

Fact Checking Time

Sorry, but this post is filled with inaccurate and misleading statements.

"In other words, there is no official documentation, evidence connecting any of the said flights to the events of 911. In other words, there is no proof whatsoever that any flight at any time did what the Bush administration has told the American people that it did."

Wrong. I posted this just the other day, but in case you missed it, there are reports coming out--even from a few years ago of passenger DNA being identified from the planes that his the WTC. Since I just posted this the other day, I'll just provide a link this time. http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/07/no-plane-disinformation-and-con...

April 11, 2007: “For the 6th time in a week, the city has identified another victim from the 9/11 attacks. DNA analysis identified 66-year old Alberto Dominguez, from Australia. He was visiting family in the US and was onboard American Airlines flight 11, which hijackers crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center. His remains were discovered during the original recovery effort. A spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office says remains found at that time are being re-tested.”

"According to this NTSB data, Flight 77 could not have crashed into the Pentagon"

WRONG. According to the flight animation. The NSTB black box data contradicts the animation. This is significant because Flight animations are supposed to be reconstructed based on the black box data. "the north of the Citgo flight path shown [in the flight ANIMATION] is in fact at least 20 degrees off from the Black Box data it's supposed to be based on." http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2007/05/ntsb-animation-is-flat-wron...

I agree that there is no directly verifiable evidence that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. It is true that the plane was not identified on radar. However, this should not be confused with the no-757 claim. If he's claiming there's no evidence a 757 hit the Pentagon, (which he does appear to claim) that would be another exaggeration. Did you know that that no flyover showed up on radar and no credible eyewitnesses claimed that there was a flyover?
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Another Possibility

I suspect the FBI lawyers are playing word games (like any good lawyer might)

They refer to records "generated" (FBI). These would not include records "obtained" like those of the FAA and airline. With source records from the FAA and airlines, they may very well have not generated their own similar records.

They also refer to aircraft hijacked as opposed to wreckage identified. (little practical difference).

The language contained within my complaint unfortunately left the FBI some "wiggle room".

I think the reference to no responsive records contained within their March request for additional time was a backhanded effort to make me move to dismiss my suit. (to take their word and give up.)

I now think they do have the FAA and airline records and have offered carefully worded answers to delay as long as possible having turn them over.

These are distinctions I will focus on during the oral arguments phase.