"Amerika Uber Alles" -- Our Nazi Nation

"Amerika Uber Alles" -- Our Nazi Nation

Captain Eric H. May

October 1, 2007
Peter Guenther's Prologue

The most persuasive anti-Nazi I ever knew was my mentor, Dr. Peter W. Guenther, who believed that Nazism was monstrous at every level. As a professor of humanities, he thought it was both inhumane and inhuman. As a professor of art history he thought its aesthetics were artless histrionics. He readily granted that his intellectual opinions were molded by his personal experiences. As a German veteran of World War II, he regretted the loss of his youth, the waste of his friends' lives and the devastation that they had inflicted on others. He held Hitler accountable for all of this -- after all, it was Hitler who had drafted them into the war. He had served from 1939 to 1945, from Poland to Norway to France to Russia. He once quipped that before every one of their invasions their leaders said they were fighting for national defense, but after the shooting started every soldier on every side believed that he was fighting for his own self-defense.

By the time of the Iraq war he was retired from academe, and I was writing military analysis for media. As US forces began storming up the Euphrates Valley in the spring of 2003, hell-bent on Baghdad, we began to discuss the limited American mobilized manpower and materiel, and the overall limitations of blitz tactics. Guided by his insights, I published a then-radical op-ed in the Houston Chronicle that predicted a quicksand war in Iraq, and maybe a world war as a result of it.

As the easy war promised us by the Bush administration wore on into the summer of 2003, Dr. Guenther and I began to note that there were more similarities between Post-9/11 America and Third Reich Germany than just over-reliance on Blitzkrieg tactics. We finally determined that the two nations were following parallel political courses. Most disturbing for my mentor, who had become a patriotic American citizen after World War II, was the painful conclusion that our American president, with his global war for a New American Century, was just another German fuhrer, with a world war for a Thousand Year Reich. "This is a bad copy of a bad original," he said.

"Drang Nach Ost" -- The Eastern Offensive

George W. Bush came into office with a secret war plan and no excuse to implement it -- just as Hitler had come into office in 1933 with the same predicament. Both of them wanted the prize of Middle Eastern oil. In Hitler's case that meant going through "Judeo-Bolshevik" Russia on the way, while in Bush's case that meant going through "Islamo-Fascist" Iraq. In Hitler's case the guiding document was Mein Kampf, while in Bush's case there were two. A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm was presented to the Israeli government in 1996 by American neocons Douglas Feith, Richard Perle and David Wurmser, among others. Restructuring America's Defenses was presented to the American government in 2000. Its arguments mirrored the Israeli document, and had been drawn up by the neocons as well. In 2001 Feith, Perle and Wurmser became key Bush administration members.

Neither Hitler's nor Bush's plans for world dominance could have been pursued without some good luck, though. Both leaders entered office with over half their nations opposing them, and an avid opposition that wanted to pull them down. Hitler's good luck came with the Reichstag fire, blamed on Jewish Communists, which mobilized his fatherland to rally behind him. Bush's good luck happened on 9/11, blamed on Muslim Fundamentalists, which mobilized his homeland to rally behind him.

In both cases, their followers smiled at their good luck, and began their new order of things. Hitler quickly instituted an Enabling Act for the protection of the German people, slated for expiration in five years, which was quietly continued. Bush quickly instituted a Patriot Act for the protection of the American people, slated for expiration in five years, which was quietly continued. Hitler created the Geheime Staatspolizei (Gestapo) to further protect the German people, while Bush created the Homeland Security Agency (Homeseca) to do the same for the American people.

"Fuhrer Prinzip" -- The Unitary Executive

Both leaders were believers in the authoritarian concept. A few weeks before assuming office, Bush said outright that he thought dictatorship would be a fine form of government, if he could be the dictator. They both believed that power should come from above and obedience should come from below, and they offered protection in exchange for loyalty. Thus no one was surprised when Hermann Goering made a fortune helping to run Germany, just as no one was surprised when Irving "Scooter" Libby received a pardon for his pro-Bush political crimes in America.

Both leaders supplemented their new security police and security acts with concentration camps such as Dachau and Gitmo, initially designed for only a small percentage of national enemies. Both dispensed with international rules and regulations in their treatment of enemies in those installations, and applied a wide variety of innovative persuasive techniques to extract information and obtain confessions. The lessons learned in these proto-type camps proved to be invaluable in later establishments such as Auschwitz and Abu Ghraib.

Both leaders relied on agreeable legislatures. In Germany the Reichstag cheered enthusiastically as it endorsed the increase in police powers, the reduction in civil rights and the national march to world war. In America Congress did the same things, but in more subdued fashion, even with a show of dissent. In Germany, Hitler declared a dictatorship under Article 48, provided by the old Weimar Constitution for the event of a national emergency. In America Bush recently created National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD 51), thereby legalizing a dictatorship in the event of a national emergency.

"Gott Mit Uns" -- God's on Our Side

Neither Hitler nor Bush could have effected their radical plans without a party full of functionaries and a compliant national media, of course. Hitler relied on his "Nazi" party, a word derived from the name of his National Socialist organization. He had a brilliant individual named Joseph Goebbels to control the Reich Propaganda Ministry and rally the public behind Nazi policies. Bush relied on his "Nozi" party, a word derived from "Zionism," with the first four letters Z-i-o-n remixed into N-o-z-i. He had a brilliant cartel of Zionists to control the American Mainstream Media and rally the public behind Nozi policies.

The greatest accomplishment of both the Nazi and Nozi parties was convincing themselves and their citizens that they were not conspirators of any sort, but rather the victims of an international conspiracy. The Nazi party never tired of saying that Judeo-Communism was the hidden enemy, against which all the powers of a determined fatherland had to be directed, and that they were the targets of anti-German propaganda. The Nozi party never tires of saying that Islamo-Fascism is the hidden enemy, against which all the powers of a determined homeland have to be directed, and that they are the targets of anti-Semitic propaganda.

The rest of the world didn't buy the pro-war propaganda from Germany's Nazis three generations ago, and they don't buy it from America's Nozis three generations later. The way the rest of the world sees it, what we have been taught to call the axis of evil is not so dangerous to the world as the axis of America and Israel. They see American naval forces massing in the name of national defense against Iran, and they remember Iraq. They see Israeli air forces attacking Syria, and they remember Lebanon. The rest of the world knows who we have become, even if we don't.

Peter Guenther's Epilogue: He died in 2005, and was followed by his wife Andrea six months later. They had been married for 58 years, and had been American citizens for more than 50. For more about my friendship with them, refer to the first and fourth volumes of my 2003 Iraq war correspondence here.

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Talking about not talking about this article...

... continues on page two.

"If you're not taking flak, airmen...

... you're just not over the target."

Hummm... sharp and immediate, warm and cozy.

You ever wanna talk, just say so. "... we won't hold a grudge, THAT would be crazy."

Will Eric May and Webster Tarpley denounce this?

Or do they support accusing a 9/11 activist of being the leader of an al Qaeda cell and calling for her rendition and torture? Is this what they hoped would happen when they announced on Tarpley's September 27 broadcast that Col. Jenny Sparks is a "cointelpro agent"? How low are Tarpley, May and company planning to go?

Thanks to Midnighter at truthaction.org for the screenshot.

All street addresses and phone numbers have been removed.

The above is posted alongside another fictitious but none-too-subtly-threatening headline: 9/11 Conspiracy Researcher Murdered

One week earlier:

TARPLEY: Last question: in one word - do you know who she is and where she is?

MAY: Alas, no, but we suspect Portland - at least that has been put out in a number of places. We haven't been able to corroborate it.

I can't F'ing stand Webster Tarpley...

I think he's a pompous egophrenic inducing ass, and 'polemical' windbag. He's got copious errors unchecked and exaggerated by many more through his synthetically spooky book... and I simply tore off the cover unable to stand looking at it. Within thirty seconds of our FIRST meeting, he displayed the most jaw dropping of inconsiderate behaviors I've ever encountered in a relative stranger, all the more eyebrow raising in the setting of a 911 symposium.

So tough tits trying to cast me as a defender of Web Tarpley. Or any one else on your hit list for that matter.

Let's just talk about you and I.

You, Dear JoanJones... now having looked back at every single post you've made at this location (actually, not that many), have a singularity of purpose unblemished by not one deviation from your task of weeding the garden, as you say. Lack of variety makes for a dull friend.

You keep up your fine work, take a few swings at me if you like... have at it. Maybe dig down and try uprooting me. Maybe post my own street address... not that hard to find. Dig through my yearbook pictures. Peek in my window at night. Check the spelling on my second grade art projects. Get a picture of me picking my nose... and eating IT!

Yes, you march on, weeding the garden... guarding the Revolution. Inspecting the fertilizer for Goat Head thistle, or compost spores, rodents, worms, ticks, grubs, aphids, ph ballance, beef blood, nitrate, phosphate... get to work. So much to be done. Will there be enough time? Will people appreciate what you do? If not enough, will that prove "THEY MUST BE THE ENEMY"?

You're sad... and sorry... and as frightening a thought as ever best spooked up by the NeoCons and their truest version of a Scare-er-ists.

Best of luck to ya.

(btb, "Red Guard", and fake RevGuard at that: Your pretend-organic coordination gave you away. Cultivated fields can be seen from fucking outer-space, ya jack asses.)

I have no interest in your ad hominem attacks

Apparently no one else does either judging by the lack of response to your many belligerent posts above.

I will note that your continued ranting about witch hunts and red guards etc comes off as empty hyprocritical posturing in the face of your distinct lack of concern regarding actual ongoing and increasingly menacing attacks on truth activists (complete with street addresses and phone numbers).

LOL--Nico muddling around in the dark like always

Seems this Josephus is a real person--at least the address is real.

(You have to go to the blog to see it)

Whether he knows John Albanese is another kettle of fish.
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And Nico's not alone

Eric May, Morgan Stack and Webster Tarpley are muddling around in the dark right along with him. Not to mention the video production team that has managed to pack youtube with at least 20 videos similar to the following one - all attacking you, Cosmos, truthaction.org and other activists. I guess the FBI and Ford Foundation accusations didn't get much traction? So now they're moving right along to the al Qaeda cell accusations.

One thing's for sure: someone's putting a lot of time, energy and money into these ongoing attacks.

GeorgeWashington and 911Blogger are "exposed" in this one too.


Special note to the "just ignore it" crowd: 9/11 truth activists are being targeted as al Qaeda cell members and their supposed personal information is being posted in dozens of videos and on multiple attack sites. What is it going to take for you to wake up?

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Captain Eric H. May...

Former army 'intelligence'...

An evident 'Jew' hater...

Spewing WWI - II Propaganda of the Allied supporters on how evil those Nazi's were & not one mention of the Zionist role...

He's got one thing right, not much has changed. That's what the Zionist / Neocon Rothschild's & Rockefeller's want.

Sorry, Carol, I mean no offense, but this guy smells of disinfo.


Who supports the work of Captain May?

Who supports the work of Captain May?

"In Ireland David Ray Griffin's appearance was canceled and he was labeled anti-Semetic due to posts by "Captain Eric May" being featured on Morgan Stack's 911truth.ie website.
May is yet another 'former' intelligence person who advocates numerology to expose the 9-11 coverup.
May is openly anti-Semetic, describing the media and Hollywood as 'controlled by the Jews'."

Captain May--in his own words-- on Tarpley's GCN show


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And that's why I don't get this 'tude of yours, chum

"Jenny, our good times had poking sticks at Wick and Roberts in the eye... I must admit that was fun, for awhile."

You jumped right into that shite--and it was no where near as serious as this shite is now.

These bitches are digging around--however inexpertly--for our personal information because we bollocksed up something big. Something the evil bastards really wanted to go a different way. That means we're on to something--and instead of getting our backs, you're saying "oh, let them go"?

This isn't a "personality dispute" or a witch hunt. This is catching the bitches red handed in one of their ops--and taking flack for it. And where are you mate? It's easy to go after eejits like Wieck who come trolling by online. Not so easy to crack a national team of suspected psy-operatons, who're feeling so threatened, they're bringing out every cliched trick in the cointepro book.

And you think stopping is going to help?!?!? Oi! That's what they want! That's the point of all the videos, and personal info speculation, and blog cooridination, and emailings and shite--the point is to shut us up.

Well,. fuck no, mate! Like I told Nico, I'm not stopping until I have the "man behind the curtain".

Now, if you think being a quiet wee mouse is the best way to deal with murdering bastards who've probably set their agents to track us down, guess we'll just have to respectfully disagree. Notice how we're not attacking you for not joining us. So kindly back off, chum.

Lead, follow, or get the bloody hell out of the way.

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Ok, here's a lead. Or are you gonna get in my way? : )

Please, do not put words in my mouth.

I've never once said anything even closely approximating 'let it go'. If you need to 'hang on to it', that's a decision only you can make.

What I HAVE tried to say, and will try again, is to first express what I think about the dynamic I see you in. And second, advise toward a new course that YOU determine, based on what I offer if you'll permit me to be so bold.

If you're on to something... and you may very well be, I can not know. I can not possibly know each and every detail you've immersed yourself in, besides, it's not my style... yet I trust you do as you see fit. If you're onto something, that's great, but from what I've heard 'on the street' around here is that you have garnered an unsavory, and disADVANTAGEous "appearance". Appearance ADVANTAGE, mind you. You, me, many of our dear friends can have all the casual disregard for appearances we like or not... yet THIS appearance is undermining your advantage with extreme probability. And MY advantage for that matter, that is, if you want me to make this personal.

That's my opinion. Utterly meaningless. As it should be.

Yet now allow me to justify such an opinion:

If in fact you are on to something, someone, group, a cointel agitatprop mk-mockingbird psyop, what have you... and you suspect you're dealing with some ultra high-end skill sets pitted against you (us)... highly coordinated, well funded, with the intent of directly or cumulatively undermining the 'movement' seeking truth and justice... a section subset of the original and ongoing 9/11 op itself.. or a grander overarching op of which 9/11 was itself a subset...

... then trust that by now "They" have ALREADY got every darn detail, foible, habit, hangout and drink preference you've ever had, and move you make all day long. They're THAT good! Take MY word for it if you will, if that means anything to you what-so-ever.

Do you agree with that, or not?

Then the pretense above, that divulging or posting such information about one of us on the internet as a threat... is thus, hollow. "They", are NOT going to leave even a wishful physical hit to be left to vigilante jengo-patriots. They'll "DO IT" in person. BUT, character and/or comfort "assignation", or FEAR for one's safety, is vastly superior in this case. In such a case, your REAL identity, character and whereabouts known actually to several or many, is your ONLY genuine security. The downside of screen name avatars in an information war against REAL people.

For example: I'll give you real details about me, in return for yours. I trust you, but even if YOU are not actually trustworthy... I'm not afraid of you. What do you think of that? Hell, you could even dare me to post mine first... and then you decide if you want to demonstrate real trustworthiness by returning the gesture. THAT, is how serious this life and death 'game' is!

Also, "They" will NOT actually BE racists in the way general populous think of it. So again, hollow.

If the idea that 9/11 researchers could somehow, are, or will be conflated with racists, antisemites, Ameri-Quada-freedom-haters... is then a hollow cavern with no echo UNLESS you return it... with ANYTHING.

The only people being made to LOOK bad, are the ones casting any such dispersion BACK. Check yourself, Jenny... you're not actually a racist are you? At least I highly doubt you are. But is someone close to you pushing an idea that you could be cast as one should you fail at repelling the conflation of 9/11 study with something like say, racism? The bastard who's doing this, pulled this off and has you thinking you're chasing someone out in front of you, when if They exist at all, they're in fact standing behind you. Boo! That's why they're called spooks.

I want you to understand this with me, should I say more here and now? Or do you want me to drop this so that you can check your books and logs. I mean this in the most friendly and generous way. Let me know what you think, publicly if at all possible. If YOU are actually The Enemy, you'd be a most foolish one posting here, and now.

This is actually NOT about "dropping it". It's about "pulling their plug" all together. You are the wire.

Continuing, if you're still reading, is an answer to a question that is reasonable to expect if in fact you agree with the above but might still be wonder about "What they'll do next?" Or where will they go? Or Will they get away with it, yet so close within grasp but for only you stopped chasing?

Many will get away. Many will try this elsewhere. Many will try something new. Many always will.... FOREVER.

Turn the act, back upon them... in a manner of art. Detective work, which I think you should be done with by now, can only be used so far. It IS time for something NEW. That is... if you're actually ready.

I'm not too chuffed with you right now, but cheers for...

...putting some thought into your response.

Now here's another lead---you don't think I'm telling you everything we're planning/doing on a public forum, do yeh?

Give us some credit mate-- there is a reason the bastards are getting nasty. You're only a seeing a fraction of the action. So leave us to it, eh?
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Fine, sounds like you've got plenty of confidence.

This'll be our last dear Jenny.
Best of luck to ya.

If you've got questions, you could have given us an email

You had some good points, but I'm not hashing out strategy where God and everyone can see.

Sorry--but cheers for the luck.
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Jenny, im not accusing you

Jenny, im not accusing you of anything but ive heard that you are manipulating point totals here on blogger. is that true?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Sound like Fox News Speak,

Sound like Fox News Speak, the ominous "People have said..."
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i see you've seen Gleen

i see you've seen Gleen Greenwalds film as well. good for you. i dont want to put anybody out there without permission, thats why i leave their names out. this isnt a television broadcast, but please, continue to compare me asking a question on a message board to Fox News. thats not pathetic or anything.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Do what?!?

Not anymore than anyone else does by simply voting on blogs and comments.

What you're implying--manipulation of voting above and beyond what we all do--is only in the power of the moderators.

Now you owe an explaination why you're even throwing that flame bait out, mate. Email me privately if you prefer.

FYI--my moniker aside, I'm not really 107 years old and capable of manipulating electricity.*roll eyes*

But I am voting down your question on the basic principle, that, as written, it's idiotic. Is that the "manipulation" you're refering to? Cause we all do that...
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Why is telling the FACTS

about what happened back in the 30s and the clear similarities today make anyone a "Jew Hater"?

You people need to wake the phuck up out of this anyone that even mentions the word "Zionism" as automatically being anti-semitic.

Facts are facts get over it.

Not to mention this was written by someone named "Peter Guenther" not May.

we have a very rigid disinfo

we have a very rigid disinfo police force here on 911blogger now. im all for attacking disinfo but if you havent noticed, the standards around here for being "disinfo" are extremely broad. if you've ever been seen in the same room as Jim Fetzer you will likely be voted down as a co-conspirator. also as you say, to many of them criticizing zionism is the same as being "anti-semitic".

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

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And, as you can see from the comments, again, we are on the case

No thanks to you.

Now how about some credit where credit is due for why you even know about that link?

HINT: 911 Truther's debunking this wanker and his allies while you and your lot dropped the ball. See, we don't need you to self-regulate, luv--so stop embaressing yourself by trying to take credit for our work.
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That just proves he's on the ball, too...

That doesn't say boo about how--or when-- YOU found out about it. Or why your post was worded as if you were imparting words of unknown wisdom to the rest of us.

But then what can we expect of a "debunker" who believes whatever hearsay tot Nico Haupt post's ? Piss off, sunbeam--your act is old.
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Well written, what else

Well written, what else would you expect from a Army Military Intelligency Captain in "Public Relations" (Fear Generation)

I don't know why I have a urge to listen to the Dead Kennedy's...

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My aura smiles and never frowns
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I will be Führer one day
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Your kids will meditate in school
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Zen fascists will control you
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Bush does not look as evil

This is why nobody has noticed.

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Recommended readings - "Capt' Eric May"

"In this case it is the controlled media, who use Jewish Cabalism, and the "Bush Boyz" (criminal officials and agents), who use Masonic coding, and they're reporting their handiwork in the Great Plains! . . . I wonder why the Jewish film industry would make a mistake like that, rewriting the plot of reality to convince us -- with a powerful movie -- not to obsess about the prospect of embedded code in the mainstream Jewish news media?"

"The simple fact is that these deaths were repressed by a Zionist-dominated professional group, and who can blame me and mine if we make the politically incorrect, but factually correct, point that Jews covered up Christian deaths?"

"So I googled "ghost troop of Baghdad" and the first link was from National Vanguard, the white supremist group. At the bottom of the Vanguard page was Source: Adelaide Institute. Well, that might explain why I haven't surfed across Cap'n May before as both Vanguard and Adelaide are too white for me. So I googled "adelaide institute eric may" and the first link was a reprint of e-mail from Eric May explaining his position on the Zionist control of the media.

"This contradiction keeps activists in a quandary -- they are forced to consider if it's a worthwhile trade-off to have just a little bit of nonsense mixed in with the benefits this person offers, like social connections, titles, or insider knowledge."

I realize that a lot of people promote Cap Eric May uncritically without realizing what he's about because they see others promoting him and like his style. They are surprised to see that some are put off by him. But it's really time to expose this charade.

First, why bother with anyone who can easily be cast as an anti-semite by average people with one quick google search, and who is listed on white supremacy sites? No matter how insightful May appears to some (although many have told me the opposite), he should not be linked to our work because of his focus on "Jews" and his lack of concern about affiliations with white supremacy organizations. Additionally, we have no evidence that May has exposed any drills -- that's akin to the Bush Admin saying they know they have stopped "terror attacks," but if he had, that's still not a reason for him to be advocated within our movement. If he were sincere, he would expose drills whether we linked to him or not. But the fact is, the drills are out in the public domain now and many others are doing the same work that he is doing. A military guy even posted here on blogger to answer questions. They are no secret anymore.

Second, indeed, it was May's postings on the Ireland 911truth site that got Griffen labeled anti-semitic for being associated with it.

Third, from what I can tell about May, his primary interest around 9/11 is numerology. I really don't think that's going to get us there . . .

There are a million and one other people we can derive our inspirations from who are not focusing on Jews and numerology. I realize that often people who appeal to us in a gut way, a friendly likable way, or a charismatic touching way, are hard to say no to, but we need to look at the whole deal because there is a price to pay, and the reason people are voting this down is that they no longer want to pay that price.

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Makes sense to me

We should ignore disinfo?
Instead, we should attack the people who critique it?

its all you people do. you

its all you people do. you spend more time bashing others(or "exposing disinfo") than you do pushing 9/11 truth. you guys know whats best for all of us though right Arabesque? your a pro...........

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA


You've spent more time calling me a "disinfo cop" in this thread than "pushing 9/11 truth"

I'd explain why your characterizations of me are "misinformation", and misinformed, and gross distortions of reality (oops--sounds like disinfo!), but you'll just keep attacking me anyways so what's the point?

Let me give you just one example of your ridiculous distortions. I don't object to you having your own opinion. I don't go around from thread to thread calling you a "disinfo cop" or "disinfo apologist" for voicing your opinion. In fact, it's YOUR terminology that is an attack (verbal and demeaning insult) against someone for voicing their views. Ironically or disingenuously, that's supposedly (but inaccurately) what you are criticizing me for.

As I quoted Barrett yesterday, I don't oppose dialog.

Everyone has a democratic right to not only voice their views, but to see the facts. At one time, I did not know these facts, which is why I quote the facts. The dissemination of information and constructive analysis is valuable. Personal attacks, and irrelevant commentary about individuals are not.

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Better luck next thread

I had a good laugh when you told us to ignore Tarpley for attacking the anti-war activists (which is pretty much what I did anyways--expose his antics and then ignored his attacks against me). Because you go around on every other thread calling me names like "disinfo cop", and starting fights with people.

"Ignore the disinfo"
"Attack those who critique it"

Any tips on how to bait users into starting fights on this site Chris? You are such a pro at it. You've mastered the staw-man, sarcasm, and ridicule--these are all great techniques! Bravo!

However, I think we should be aware of agent provocateur tactics (while not labelling individuals--this is exactly what an intentional disrupter would want)

"An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent") is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

you would have to be

you would have to be delusional to say that. please Arabesque, go back and look at who started the conversation. news flash asshole, it was you! it was YOU who came at me! guess that makes you a disruptor. and i told you morons to ignore Tarpley because you are just giving him the attention he craves. you fell for it. big fucking surprise that a professional shill like you fell for it and gave him the attention he craves. play right into his hands dummy. but i get it, you have to build up your own credibility by playing super disinfo cop and attacking obvious plants like Tarpley etc. oldest game in the book. keep trying to build up that credibility Arab, but i would stop pushing the governments theory about what happened at the Pentagon, its a red flag. i didnt start this fight, you did(again, i guess that makes you a provocateur huh?), and i dont "go around starting fights with people" i just take exception to people like you who want to play thought police and treat everyone here like children. it kind of sucks when people call you on your bullshit doesnt it? no worry, just call me a "straw man" or disinfo, you've always been quite good at character assassination. how many DVD's have you handed out lately? or are you always too busy slaying disinfo dragons online?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Arabesque-"(while not

Arabesque-"(while not labelling individuals--this is exactly what an intentional disrupter would want)"

oh no, we wouldnt wanna do that. you NEVER do that or anything.........

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

when you and Victoria aint

when you and Victoria aint too busy selling the official Pentagon story you're telling people what is and isnt disinfo, what is and isnt good info to push etc. im just wondering who made you guys the 9/11 truth police. we shouldnt ignore disinfo, i never said that, but we also shouldnt create problems and division where there is none. May didnt even write this piece but you cops are very rigid so who cares right? is Carol B. "disinfo" to you now too? does she make it onto one of Victorias creepy lists now? spend less time attacking others and telling them how and what to think and more time pushing 9/11 truth. it seems just about every time you 2 post something its to "expose" or bring somebody down(or to tell people to play it "safer" or lay off of Amy Goodman). you do more than critique, thats for damn sure. but hey, you guys know whats best for us right?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

"May didnt even write this piece"...

I am confused now...

His name is on it, same title as the blog, who wrote it then ???


Personally, I don't trust May and his "ghost troop" (this is just my opinion/feeling on what I have seen and heard)...

As far as I'm concerned the blog ratings are not a direct reflection on Carol (whom I trust) or anything to do with anti-semite or any of that divisive by nature crap but more an "anti-May" position.

I can only speak for myself but I don't agree with some on the Pentagon and others on the WTC, I just make my own mind-up.

Best wishes

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Okay, but check the first sentence:

"The most persuasive anti-Nazi I ever knew was my mentor, Dr. Peter W. Guenther, who believed that Nazism was monstrous at every level." That sounds like May, speaking, yes? The piece does seem to me to have been authored by Capt. Dismay.

Portlanders are getting a heavy dose of "the Maybe" recently, so many of us have checked him out. I'm think down-votes have more to do with May than with the blanket accusation of anti-Semitism. If this guy really is an anti-Zionist, and opposed to the policies of the apartheid state of Israel, then he should know better than to be a walking, talking cartoon of a Jew-hater -- blaming societal ills on "Media Jews", "Hollywood Jews", and the "Jewish media." (That material is very easy to find and is even included on the Ireland 9/11 Truth site, for example. And if he no longer stands behind this writing -- which I doubt -- then he can issue a public retraction and clarification.)

This is not merely a problem because it makes 9/11 Truth look bad (which it certainly does) it is a problem because targeting "Jews" as a group for blame and accusation IS WRONG. Both morally, and in the sense that he cannot make a good argument for the cohesion of the group identity on the level of "Jew" in the US, let alone accurately attribute societal woes like 9/11 denial to them/us, or even cute little subsets like "Hollywood Jews." His analysis is incorrect. He is just straight-up aiming in the wrong direction and encouraging others to do so as well (isn't there a word for that?), or at least excuse him as he does it (isn't there a word for that, too?).

People who are truly opposed to Zionism and the policies of the state of Israel do not run around blaming things on "the joos". People who blame things on "the joos" are quite likely to be part of the group that benefits from this conflation of identities (Jew/Zionist/Israeli).

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I don't know.

Apparently it's hard to discern that this piece is written by May.

I'm generally quite careful about trying to identify Jew-hating versus anti-Zionism versus anti-Semitism in the broader sense. Frankly, I think that being a Joo-obsessor (if not hater) is just ONE of his problems.

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i apologize

i misunderstood, it does appear to be May's article. regardless, i stand by what i said. a lot of the parallels here do fit. the comparisons are apt. that said i would never promote May or his articles knowing what i know about him but i doubt Carol knew.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

"I doubt Carol knew"

From 7:00- 9:00 pm (PST) on Questioning War- Organizing Resistance broadcast to the WeThePeopleRadioNetwork.com our guest will be Captain Eric H. May.

It sounds more like Carol does not agree with the concerns people are discussing on here, or something. Maybe she will clarify it on here show.

am i the only one who cant

am i the only one who cant get to page 2 of the comments on this thread? the bottom of this comment jumbles up and the next page link dissapears for some strange reason. i saw you responded but i cant read your response because of this! ARGH!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Capt. Maybe opines regarding this thread:

"For instance, Carol Brouillet (the 911 activist who posted my essay at 911Blogger) is pressured to denounce the posting, or at any right to accept the idea that the poster is a Jew hating extremist. The same thing has consistently happened to Ginny Ross at the Oregon Truth Alliance, although by different trolls for the most part. I'll copy both ladies to this e-mail, along with two other popular targets, Kevin Barrett and Jim Fetzer." This is a post on Portland Nuclear Inquest (Plenty more on that board to give you an idea of the shitstorm of hysteria May and his minions whip up when they ride into town to save YOU from a nuclear false flag attack.)

What is wrong with asking May to clarify his position on Jews? Nothing. What's wrong with asking Carol Brouillet to give some explicit context to this reposting, to indicate whether she understands that many people do in fact think his position on Jews is offensive and misguided? Nada.

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Erin, you wrote:

"This behavior a foot is possibly the most loathsome singlemindset imaginable to me. It would surly test most all my sand not to smack you in the face if you were standing here."

That is completely unacceptable. Who do you think you are? You do realize you're talking a lady?

If someone smacks you around in a debate, deal with it. Don't threaten physical violence. That's the coward's way.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

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Of course history repeats...

and believe me some of us are noticing. We just aren't accepting that bush, not unlike hitler, is the evil behind everything that's happened these last 60+ years since the great wars ended. Isn't it interesting how our country is beginning to emulate nazi Germany? What's behind that?

I'm more frightened of people thinking that if we get bush & cheney all our trouble's are over. We got hitler & look what that cost the Palestinians, not to mention how we've slowly progressed into corporate fascism.

I suggest WWI - II and the history of the racist Zionist ideology has an awful lot to teach us about what's going on today. It's up to you to educate yourself (not you personally, Erin, people in general).

Thanks Big_D, nice of you to comment on topic.

As for me and my wild-word-swinging threatening the good nature of all who may pass too close... the only thing I know perfectly well, is that I'm well imperfect. That's as close to an apology from me I'm offering right now, but only for the sake of feelings and kinsmenship... NOT for my demands that constructive conversation and debate MUST rise above mere sophistry. (Someone somewhere'll probably dissect that comment into a re-dis-direct to cast aside anything more constructive I might try to add later or dig up from the past. Ugh.)

Inviting us to study and learn about the previous great wars simultaneous with the mind-twisting behavior of something resembling what we've often called 'Zionism'... is a great suggestion.

Earlier, I wanted to also include the amazing story of what happened in China last century. Completely within their own dynamic (for China IS a great animal unto herself), took a most extraordinary trip embarking on introspection, self-improvement, taste of bourgeoning success, self assuredness, pride, hubris, paranoia, Revolution, Red Guarding a Revolution.... back unto repression, witch hunting, old-killing, shame, self shame, self-control (self-illusion), oppression.

So into the curriculum of our study of Nazis and Fascism, Stalinist Socialism, American Apathy and Debt Mass Consumption, China's Revolution, Law vs. liberty, hate vs. love, tolerance vs. ignorance... we've got much to catch up on.

But I say we can do this, though fumble as we may be ever better for it.

After re-reading what Big_D said...

... I wish to try better and respond closer to what I now see he also said:

Foolishly scapegoat-ing G.W. Bush for the all the ills of current America... most certainly WOULD be dangerously shortsighted. Just the same as pinning all the asshole acts of the second world war upon Hitler alone. Both, in comparative fashion as invited by this article, personified and DID represent, if no more than figure head at times nor singular mastermind, the grander illnesses a body of people can exhibit as a whole.

Bush IS our President here in America. Cheating or gaming the system that put him there, is no more or less repugnant than the body of people failing to keep such an act in check. Undoubtedly, Presiding corruptly, over a people allowing corruption.

Hitler could no sooner kill millions on his own, without the aid of boosters, advisors, craftsman, complisits, and complacents in droves. The sickness we've examined as the "Good German", is an ebb and flow throughout all humanity like a latent DNA popping up and overcoming the body whenever We lower or introspective vigilance.

The photo at the top, is at once both exacting and abstract. Interpretation, like that oft applied to quantum mechanics can no sooner pin down one detail or loci simultaneous with another. The creator, the sharer, the poster, the commentator, the reposter, the blogger... in mass... I doubt highly were trying to pin a single tail on Bush the ass.

One may better 'see' with the eye of truth, as to relax the blinding mind of relative logic while feeling out with the vision of a quantum heart.


>>"I'm more frightened of people thinking that if we get bush & cheney all our trouble's are over."

Important to understand this. Thanks for mentioning it.