Movies I Made To Counter The BBC's Argument That "The Final Mystery Of 9/11" Has Been Solved
Jon Gold Sun, 07/06/2008 - 9:56am
Recently, I've been a little busy making movies. The reason I got started making these movies was to counter the BBC's claim that the "final mystery of 9/11" has been solved. They said it two times as far as I know. The first time motivated me to make this:
Then, for good measure, I made this:
Then, they said it again. I got angry, and made this:
Here's a new video just posted of me at Keene, NH.
Please spread these far and wide. Thank you.
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WTC 7 isn’t the final mystery, it is one in a row of mysteries.
Thanks Sitting-Bull, I sent this to a bunch of message groups.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/16489
Subject: WTC 7 isn’t the final mystery, it is one in a row of mysteries.
This list was compiled by someone calling himself Sitting-Bull in response to the BBC thinking that if they magically explain away the "mystery of Bldg 7" then the whole Movement to expose the fraud will go away. We are not going away.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/16489
WTC 7 isn’t the final mystery, it is one in a row of mysteries.
We do not and will not fall for anyone claiming that the case is solved with the view solely on one point!
I just put together the main valid points and hints for an inside job in the last two weeks, points that can not be debunked, as they stand straight for the seventh year after the attacks, and were nearly never touched by “debunkers”. There is no special order in that points, and I’m sure I can add another 200 ones- I’m just not in the mood for deliver hard facts to ignorants. And, BTW, I have sources for all points, valid sources, established sources. It’s no problem to research it.
1: The failing interception of the hijacked planes and the lying from NORAD and FAA. No one was held accountable.
2: Wargames and Exercises that day- cover and confusion
3: Angel is next
4: Secret Service in Booker Elementary School did not evacuate Bush immediately- they know he was not in danger
5: Many members of the Bush Admin spoke of opportunities that 9/11 offered, Bush inclusive.
6: The change in chain of command in case of hijacking- accentuated to Rumsfeld who was MIA that day.
7: Cheney as Master of Wargames in the PEOC, with Norman Mineta testimony “plane is 30 miles out”, exposed the lie when Cheney entered the PEOC and that they tracked the flights but did nothing “do the order still stand?”
8: Lies of the US admin regarding forewarnings- there were countless ones.
9: Lies of the US admin that nobody could imagine such a scenario- exposed through books (Bachmans Running Man), through televison (Pilot of “The Lone Gunmen” aired half a year before 9/11) , plans like OP Bojinka that were found 1995 and through WTC security analysis like Schnabolk did and even military trainings of NORAD and FEMA anticipated such a scenario
10: Investigations into the terror plot were shut down by superiors, FBI and CIA alike.
Nancy Floyd, Kenneth Williams, Coleen Rowley, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, Ali Soufan, John O’Neill. The 9/11 timesline lists hundreds of events which illustrated how this was done: keep all field agents in dark while all agency superiors knew all all along: the Yemen Hub, the Malaysia Summit, San Diego. Etc. The alleged "wall" between the agencies is a myth, there were two units on track of the terrorist who handled that "problem" by creating units with members of all agencies, I-49 squad and Alec Station.
11: The terror groups were infiltrated from the early days on: Zakhary, Ali Mohamed, Emad Salem, Randy Glass, Abduss Attar Sheikh, Melvin Lattimore (Marvin Lattimore) and many more. The blind Sheik Abdel Rahman was "hands off".
12: Quaint foreknowledge: Israels instant messager company Odigo receiced a warning before the attack, source WaPo, Ha’aretz. ZIM, an Israely state shipping company with ties to arm smuggling to Iran (CNN), moved out off the WTC several weeks before 9/11, URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS, the dancing Israelis, were there to document the event and high-fiving.
Silverstein had a doctors appointment, his kids were running late that day, if not, all of them would be on the 88. floor of the North Tower and trapped.
SF mayor Willie Brown was told not to fly that day, John Ashroft didn’t for a whole month before.
13: “Elephant” traces left behind to get the idea of “moslem terrorists”, while no one took credentials. Looks arranged.
14: Al Qaeda terror videos used pictures of FBI from the hijackers- did they had no own ones? A video showing Atta and Jared in Afghanistan, promoted as evidence, was part of a western intelligence sting OP and shown in the documentary “Road to Guantanamo”, it could be established that some picures were shown the “foreign combattants” back in 2003, while the terror evidence hoax was promoted in 2007!
15: The leader of the free world, surrounded by inncocent first graders- a Psy-OP. A tip more and it would become bizarre.
16: Reducing the body count through prepairedness and exercises as well as the overall conducting- FEMA arrived late Monday night in New York for TRIPOD III, at the Pentagon a mass casualty exercise was underway, the Secret Service scrambled in NY because of an UN meeting, the time of the attacks (just before the working starts in NY) the North Tower hit wide above, the South Tower on one hand side so that one stairwell remains intact, while it was evacuated and so on. Clearly islamic terrorist do want high body count, only someone with some sort of conscience would subscribe to a body count nearly as high as in a kind of Pearl Harbor attack, the script analogy, that was adressed many times before and after 9/11.
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Please explain the third point (3: Angel is next)?
I'm confused, what does "Angel is next" mean?
Karl Rove: "Angel is next"
It means nothing. Unless you trust the word of Karl Rove, who is apparently the only source for this claim. The most likely explanation is that Karl Rove was just being his propagandist self and trying to make the President look good by pretending he was under threat. No one else has ever confirmed this story. It doesn't pass the smell test.
"The next day, William Safire of the New York Times writes, and Bush’s political strategist, Karl Rove, confirms, that the Secret Service believed “‘Air Force One may be next,’ and there was an ‘inside’ threat which ‘may have broken the secret codes [i.e., showing a knowledge of presidential procedures].’” [New York Times, 9/13/2001... A well-informed, anonymous Washington official says, “It did two things for [Cheney]. It reinforced his argument that the president should stay out of town, and it gave George W. an excellent reason for doing so.” [Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001]... two Secret Service agents working that day deny their agency played any role in receiving or passing on such a threat."
We only have Karl Rove claiming that this happened and no other confirming sources. In fact, the secret service DENIES it. This means that either Karl Rove or the secret service is lying, and I think it's pretty apparent who is probably lying. For all we know this is a completely made up story to make the president look "brave" for flying around and not doing anything on 9/11.
In other words, it doesn't prove anything because the threat likely didn't exist. Interesting that Tarpley's book decided to highlight this as a critical piece of evidence, when in reality we are trusting the word of Karl Rove and no one else.
"They also avoided the most critical pieces of political evidence. There was not a word about the crucial “Angel is next” message accompanied by an array of top-secret code words received by the Secret Service, which is the one documented instance during the day when the invisible government-rogue network, the authors of the coup, actually came out of the shadows and spoke."
http://www.911blogger.com/node/10772
First of all, "the secret service" denied "angel in next", and the claim only comes from Karl Rove who coincidentally was on the "angel" with Bush on 9/11. In fact, the "angel" word was not even a "secret code word".
"Secret Service agents later note that the code word was not an official secret, but a radio shorthand designation that had been made public well before 2001." [Wall Street Journal, 3/22/2004]
The evidence for "angel is next" is flimsy at best. Only an investigation can confirm this for sure that it is a bogus claim, but Karl Rove is a well known propaganda specialist and liar, and I don't trust anything he says if no one else can confirm it--with many even denying the story. And neither should anyone else in the 9/11 truth movement. But we do KNOW that someone is lying about "angel is next" and this itself is the REAL issue that needs to be emphasized and targeted for questioning and investigation. This is an indisputable fact: either the secret service, or Karl Rove is lying about "angel is next".
Who had the motive to lie? Karl Rove wanted the President to look good. This is the probable motive for "angel is next". But a lie is a lie, and government officials should be held accountable for their lies.
September 12, 2001: Threat to Air Force One? Stories Conflict
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201angelthreat#a09120...
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A Secret Service page at 10:32 a.m. warned: "ANONYMOUS CALL TO JOC REPORTING ANGEL IS TARGET." Angel is the Secret Service codeword for Air Force One; JOC means Joint Operations Center. When the president's plane had departed Florida about half an hour earlier, it was en route to D.C. That anonymous threat seems to be what diverted President Bush on a high-speed flight across the country, first to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, and then to an underground command center in Nebraska.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_162-5770280-504383.html
So the Secret Service is lying or covering up the fact...
More sources
They also feared that Air Force One itself was a target. Cheney told the president there was a credible threat against the plane. Using the code name for Air Force One, Mr. Bush told an aide, “Angel is next.” The threat was passed to presidential pilot Col. Mark Tillman.
We now know that the threat to Air Force One was part of the "Fog of War," a false alarm. But it had a powerful effect at the time.
But Mr. Bush was clearly worried about it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/11/60II/main521718.shtml
I go into intelligence agency reports, now let me just make a parenthesis, (9/11 didn’t occur in a vacuum, it occurs in a world in which there are others watching. Who’s watching? Well, Russia’s watching, Israel’s watching very much, the French are watching, there’s Germans, Japan…), what I found is 3 separate reports, one is the Réseau Voltaire which is obviously benefiting from leaks from French intelligence. The Réseau Voltaire version, which came out September 20th (or) 25th, says that the ‘Angel is next.’ phone call came complete with top secret codeword, across a variety of agencies, suggesting that the people that were behind the attacks were a powerful faction inside the US intelligence community and government in general.
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The Debka, Debka is an internet service that generally reflects the views of the Israeli Mossad, and they are even more emphatic that this telephone call came complete with multiple codeword indicating that the invisible government force behind the attack which stretched through numerous Federal agencies and executive departments. They knew a whole selection of codeword that they seemed to have included with this phone call.
Finally there’s the Soviets, in this case Russia, it’s called Namakon, a very shadowy group. You can’t just call them up. But they speak from time to time, these are KGB old boys.
http://www.gnn.tv/B10888
"Angel is next" = bollox
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Not only is this discredited for all the reasons Arabesque lists, it also is used as the "Holy Grail" of a certain segment of "truthers" who are looking for a reason, any reason, to absolve the government and presidential administration of the USA of primary responsibility for 911.
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Well done, Jon
we have to encounter such propaganda styled arguments just in time they were spewed.
And sometimes anger is the best motivator.
I have a question...
...at this point does it matter what the BBC says? Look how far we have come without them. The truth is already out there we don't need to convince more people we need to start getting everyone organized before the next false flag attack happens and we lose everything.
"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government." -The Declaration of Independence
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You make it sound as if the bbc solved anything.
They made another hit piece. in their 'conspiracy files' series. The title really sais it all.
Looks like there was a need to sprinkle some deception due to the increase of awareness about wtc7. Maybe thats cause wtc7 is a dangerous topic for the official Big Lie. Unlike forewarnings about al-quaida hijackings, which serve it pretty well.
Unless...
You're of the mindset that think knowing what type of attack is coming, where it's coming from, and when it's coming might be invaluable information for those that wish to make sure the attacks are a success. Unless you're of the mindset that using foreknowledge to show that they were lying helps our cause. Since we don't know exactly what happened on 9/11, I think it's foolish to brush aside information simply because it doesn't coincide with what people THINK happened that day.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think people shouldn't talk about?
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
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Instead of being Jon Gold's gadfly, why don't you try making a positive contribution? Some original research, maybe let us know how 9/11 activism is doing in Switzerland?
keep going
Excellent work, Jon.
What do you know about PROMIS?
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PROMIS...
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18862
http://www.911independentcommission.org/sept102003.html
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18022
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16980
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=910
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13102
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10372
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inslaw
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
BBC HIT JOB
I stand with Richard Gage, Steven Jones and the other architects, engineers, and scientists.
I also stand with the highly credible David Ray Griffin.
WTC 7 was a controlled demolition.
BBC is a propaganda outlet. They have been since their inception.
This cheesy video is the video equivalent of the "Poplar Mekanix" bullshit articles and book.
Mystery solved, you wish.
I am not even remotely deterred.
I am interested in seeing Gage's and Jones' responses on this. They have the credentials. I know what I know, but they have the credentials.
I don't think it is prudent to just move on to the next item.
Time for debunking the debunking again.
It is like chopping weeds. You have to do it over and over unless you get to the roots. Unfortunately, I don't think we can shut down the BBC or any of the other propaganda outlets that have been serving the power elite for years and years. So, we keep chopping the weeds. We don't just walk away from this weed and let it grow high enough to obscure the clear view. We chop it every time it raises its little head. This is one of the biggest weeds in the garden, and it is easy to chop. So sharpen your hoe and let's get busy.
If WTC-7 collapsed due to fires, how come I don't see any flames
venting from any of the thousands of windows AS THE BUILDING FELL DOWN!?
If there were an inferno inside Building 7, I'd expect to see an abundance of flames/fireballs shooting out as it caves in! Yet, I don't see any flames/fireballs being expelled in the videos of WTC-7 during its collapse???
Seems to me that Dr. Steven Jones is correct--thermate was used as a powerful incendiary to melt/cut the beams.
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Bravo Jon
What a great composition of important details. Many of us have studied each issue you raised in you documentary at different times, but to have them all listed and focus like you have presented is extremely valuable and a worthwhile education tool for rebuttals. Excellent choice of appropriate background music as well.
THANK YOU SO MUCH –JON – FOR THESE PRODUCTIONS.
You're...
Welcome.
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BBC WTC7 hit piece.
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NIST seems to be moving away from the notion that the North Tower severely damaged WTC7. This barely got a mention in the documentary. They also indicated that NIST was concentrating again on a fire-driven collapse. Well if Seven was so heavily on fire how come it did not collapse in a huge pyrothechnical display of sparks as any other bonfire does when it collapses ? I don't recall seeing much sign of fire at all. This must surely be decisive in estimating how much fire was in the building and by extension, how much damage it could have done.
Excellent point you bring up
If seems like 'they' always want it both ways, dont they? If the north tower was brought down by fire, then how did multi-ton debris propel outward 350 feet to hit building 7, starting fires to then knock THAT building down?
See my blog on this topic: http://911blogger.com/node/10483
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9/18 was an inside job! So maybe 9/11 was too...
Exactly! Very well stated.
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More telling than perhaps even the physical evidence
was the amazing pre-knowledge that building 7 was about to collapse. A detailed investigation of how it became known that the building was about to collapse is in order (I'm sure work on this issue has been done, if anyone could direct me to it). What could have sent such a signal of imminent collapse? The birds suddenly stopped chirping? A nasty smell emanated from the building? Wouldn't it take a chain of command to order an evacuation? If there was a smoking gun, this would be it, along, of course, with a perfectly symmetrical collapse into its footprint of the structure at free-fall speed. In its report, NIST should explain the latter.
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JON,
Your video has been censored apparently. Upload to several mirror sites, or they can block you and make your content hard to find.
70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11
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I'm sorry to say...
That these have been "debunked." HAHAHAH
I'll ignore the comments about the first two videos because they're not worth my time at all. In fact, they are laughable.
With regards to the third video... Bellone was arrested, not DeMassi. One being arrested doesn't disqualify the other. Also...
October 2001: Three of Four Black Boxes From WTC Crashes Secretly Found?
According to two men who work extensively in the wreckage of the WTC, three of the four black boxes from Flight 11 and Flight 175 are actually found during this month, but the public is not told. New York City Firefighter Nicholas DeMasi will mention the finding in a book published in 2003. He claims to drive federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle during their search and to see the found boxes himself. The Philadelphia Daily News will report on the story in 2004 when another rescue worker, volunteer Mike Bellone, backs up DeMasi’s account and claims to have seen one of the boxes as well. Spokesmen for the FBI and the New York City Fire Department deny the claims of these two workers. [Philadelphia Daily News, 10/28/2004] In 2005, it will be reported, “A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB. ‘Off the record, we had the boxes,’ the source says. ‘You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.’” An NTSB spokesperson denies that the FBI ever gave them the boxes. [CounterPunch, 12/19/2005]
CounterPunch, an anti-9/11 Truth site, "confirmed" the story. The "black boxes" was one issue in that final film. There are several more.
Edit: Here is a FASCINATING page on the whole black box issue at Michael Berger's site.
http://digitalstylecreations.com/groundzero1.html
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
New movie...
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?