Open Thread - Out of Town

Just got word that I have to head for an emergency trip out of town. Don't worry, it is a good emergency ;) I will be back on Sunday evening with a few more videos, sorry everyone :(

Until then have at it, post away.

p.s. anyone interested in following some guidelines and being an assistant for when I'm gone? send me an email.

No one gave me "orders". It

No one gave me "orders". It was a suggestion.


Thanks FactFinder... :)

Thanks FactFinder... :)

I'm told to tell you to go

I'm told to tell you to go to and look at the rebuttal to the Popular Mechanics article.

Thanks Jon. For some reason

Thanks Jon.

For some reason I can't find the rebuttal at Maybe the person giving you orders can provide a direct link.

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Congressman says hijacker documents destroyed

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday.

The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to name the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa.

Weldon declined to name the employee, citing confidentiality matters. Weldon described the documents as "2.5 terabytes" — as much as one-fourth of all the printed materials in the Library of Congress, he added.

A Senate Judiciary Committee aide said the witnesses for Wednesday hearing had not been finalized and could not confirm Weldon's comments.

A message left Thursday with a Pentagon spokesman, Army Maj. Paul Swiergosz, was not immediately returned.

Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as "Able Danger," which determined they could be members of an al-Qaeda cell.

On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the "Able Danger" assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us."

Weldon responded angrily to Gorton's assertions.

"It's absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn't exist," Weldon said Thursday.

Pentagon officials said this month they had found three more people who recall an intelligence chart identifying Atta as a terrorist prior to the Sept. 11 attacks.

Two military officers, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward to support Weldon's claims.

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Here you

And secondly, the Popular

And secondly, the Popular Mechanics article focused on all of the scientific evidence. They didn't bother to delve into everything verifiable that contradicts the official account.

The Insider Trading
The Warnings
The Whistleblowers
The Wargames
The Money Laundering
The Drug Trafficking
The Perjury Committed during the 9/11 Commission Hearings
The NORAD/FAA Response Times
The P-Tech Scandal

And so on... so if FactFinder thinks he's dissuaded us, he is SORELY mistaken.

Thank you for the link to

Thank you for the link to the Popular Mechanics article, FactFinder. I've owed it to myself to do a critical read of this article for awhile. I'll be looking at it closely, and will let you know what I think.

Sorry Jon, the way the

Sorry Jon, the way the comment was phrased "I'm told to tell you to go to", I thought you were being directed by someone.

Thanks for the link.

I wonder who in the Clinton

I wonder who in the Clinton administration ordered the destruction of the Able Danger data. Maybe it has something to do with Berger and the documents he stuffed in his pants and stole from the national archives. I wonder what their trying to hide.

So because of Chertoff, all

So because of Chertoff, all the other scientific experts in the article can be disregarded and ignored. Thanks for the insight.

" I wonder who in the

" I wonder who in the Clinton administration ordered the destruction of the Able Danger data. "

C'mon. Because Clinton was President, you automatically assume that somebody in his Administration ordered the destruction of the data? Only a tiny fraction of decisions made in the US government can possibly go through the top...

A real investigation may indeed prove that this was the case. Until then, you are merely speculating.

Personally, I sincerely hope they find out who ordered this data destroyed, because I believe we will get closer to the true top guys, who certainly include amongst their ranks members of our own DOD. Should it turn out that some Clintonistas wer also involved, then we should know who these people are, also.

Personally, I don't care how many of the traitors were Democrats and how many were Republicans. I just want them disempowered, before they completely destroy parts or all of this world. As the coverup goes on until this very day, and as it is so extensive, I assume these traitors are still firmly in power.

Besides possibly getting

Besides possibly getting closer to the true perps, the denial by the bogus "911 Commission" may help awareness of what traitorous frauds they all are. Good for Weldon, he is doing the country a valuable service.

What was Berger doing then?

What was Berger doing then? I guess he wasn't trying to cover anything up, it was just an innocent mistake.

I agree that Weldon is doing a valuable service. We need to get to the bottom of it.

I think we need to add a

I think we need to add a section to this website to get to the bottom of the flooding of New Orleans. It looks like Bush was responsible for the bombing of the levees in New Oreans. There's a big coverup going on in all levels of our government. See the transcript below of an actual New Orleans evacuee and also a quote from Minister Louis Farrakhan:

Raw transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee Clara Barthelemy:

"The 17th Street levee was bombed by the Army Corps of Engineers to save the more valuable real estate in the cityÂ… to keep the French Quarter protected, the Ninth Ward was sacrificedÂ… people are afraid to speak outÂ… everyone who was near there heard the bombingsÂ… they bombed seven times. ThatÂ’s why they didnÂ’t fix the leveesÂ… 20 feet of water. Gators. People dying in water. They let the parishes go, not the city center. Tourist trap was saved over human life."

"I heard from a very reliable source who saw a 25 foot deep crater under the levee breach. It may have been blown up to destroy the black part of town and keep the white part dry," Farrakhan said.

FactFinder... Able Danger

What was Berger doing,

What was Berger doing, exactly? Are you saying whatever documents he got caught with were related to Able Danger? If so, please provide a link.

I have no idea what Berger

I have no idea what Berger was doing. I know what happened to him afterwards. He did something illegal, and paid for it (somewhat). What evidence do you have that Sandy Berger's documentation had to do with "Able Danger"? That's what you're implying the story I posted is about.

Ya know... it's a good thing

Ya know... it's a good thing is around.

Conservatives baselessly linked Sandy Berger to Atta investigation

Watch the video here

FUCK Fox News

And fuck ANYONE too stupid

And fuck ANYONE too stupid to realize they're being lied to by the shiny box with lights. DAMN IT why don't you people wake up already? Stop spreading "Fox News" propaganda, and learn to READ!

Here... LOOK at it... THIS

Here... LOOK at it... THIS is what those bastards did to US. Not Fox News, Not MSNBC, Not CNN, Not ABCNews, etc... but to US. AMERICAN CITIZENS.

And I apologize for the use

And I apologize for the use of language. Sometimes I get angry.

I get angry too, but the F

I get angry too, but the F bombs don't help matters, especially if they are self-promotional ones.

I didn't post anything to my

I didn't post anything to my site that wasn't relevant to the conversation. You're saying I'm at fault for showing links to a site I've put my heart and soul into? I don't make any money with it, so I'm not doing it for that reason. Why then?

I said "if." I appreciate

I said "if." I appreciate passion. You may have it, a good form of it, really. We are all selfish, me included. In my opinion, the Fbombs don't help.

Count the F-bombs or anything close to them in Thomas Paine's "Common Sense." This is one of the most important documents, and a revolutionary document, in our country's history. An eloquent zero. Cordially,

Jon Golde writes "I have no

Jon Golde writes "I have no idea what Berger was doing. "

My question ("What was Berger doing, exactly?") was directed a FactFinder, not Jon Gold. I've never heard anybody claim that Berger was connected to Able Danger. If somebody is making that claim now, then I wish they'd provide a source.

These "comment section" postings can get confusing, since they're not threaded like a forum .....

I already provided a

I already provided a source... there's a video up top.

So let's review Jon Gold's

So let's review Jon Gold's behavior in this thread:

Some self-misnamed jerk posts a link to Poplular Mechanics' well-known-to-be lying disinfo propaganda BS, labels it a "good read", and Jon Gold thanks him with a big smile!?

Then Jon brings up "Able Danger", which is clearly more government disinfo. The government, desperate to protect the central core belief (in evil Muslim hijackers) of the 9/11 shock-and-awe psy-op is willing to distractively attack an outer layer of its own psy-op, the one which says that we couldn't have anticipated 9/11. (This is what the phrase "limited hang-out" refers to.)

Then Jon repeatedly used profanity here. Again.

I can only guess at the motives, and how stressful it must be, for people within the 9/11 truth movement who work to substantiate and prop up the very core of the government's Big Lie about 9/11.

The lying government, PBS/NOVA, Popular Mechanics, and Scientific American (and National Geographic, too??? anyone?) all have published the same lie which falsely claims that it was possible for gravity to have brought the otherwise-undamaged towers (and WTC 7) down, destructively, from above, through the path of maximum resistance, in free-fall times.

That is, by the way, a totally absurd, physically impossible claim.

IMHO, no sane 911 truther should thank anyone for bringing such rubbish to us (not even with a frown on their face!).

You can read the scientific rebuttal here.

HIJACKERS WERE NEITHER NECESSARY NOR SUFFICIENT TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11. Following "hijacker"-based leads, such as "Able Danger", is a bum steer, a dead end, a red herring, at least as far as explaining what brought the towers down as was observed, or made the hole in the Pentagon, or why the USAF was impotent, or how Bush saw the 1st impact on "TV" 15 hours before it was broadcast, or what caused that phenomenally brief bright burst of light upon WTC1 impact, etc, etc, etc, etc, ..., etc... (or any of the other government-consipracy-theory-breaking things the "gatekeepers" within the 911 truth mvmt do not want us to see or think about).

The government-friendly disinfo agents (by deed if not by intent) all seem desperate to try to protect the ludicrous belief that it was hijackers which steered passenger airliners into the buildings (which is the same lie as the lying government desperately promotes), even though that belief cannot account for what happened to the buildings, and is not supported by the evidence!

"Dave"... I smiled because I

"Dave"... I smiled because I knew it was an attempt to "debunk", and I KNOW that regardless of what that document says, it can't be done. Hence, the smile.

I'm well aware of your correspondence with different members of the movement, and your blatant attempts at discrediting them.

Instead of focusing on why won't show your site (they don't show mine either), why not focus on educating people. Unless your motive is to discredit people, then feel free to continue. My works speaks for itself.

And Dave... I have a crystal

And Dave... I have a crystal clear example of someone putting you in your place, and your only response was to send a link to your website. Is that all you care about is that your website receives traffic? Your priorities are not in the right place my friend...

Oh, and by the way Mr.

Oh, and by the way Mr. Dave... here's an interesting thread on my site that shows how ridiculous you're being.

Rep. Curt Weldon (R) Talks About "Able Danger" - Video Inside

In this thread, you'll see me make the comment, "I think I'm beginning to see what this is... this is an attempt to move the focus away from Bush, and towards Clinton. However... if his efforts bring forth an investigation, that would destroy the Bush Administration, if it wasn't a "Witch Hunt" for Clinton..."

Now, does that look like someone who isn't aware of the fact that Able Danger may be a "ploy" of some kind?

And in regards to cursing,

And in regards to cursing, here is a perfect example of the fact that SOMETIMES it's called for.

Moving on... what has

Moving on... what has everyone done lately to get the truth out? I've been posting 9/11 flyers on people's cars. I and others have stated recently that we need to be more visible. Has anyone done anything outside recently aside from the anniversary rallies?

BTW... I also apologize to

BTW... I also apologize to dz for all of this "fighting".

Cynthia McKinney To Host

I can't believe James

I can't believe James Bamford is going to be there as well as DRG... I think things are really picking up steam.

Ya gotta love Cynthia

Ya gotta love Cynthia McKinney. And hats off to the Congressional Black Caucus for showing some backbone. Wouldn't it be ironic if, when the history of the US is written in 50 years, it shows that the US was saved from falling into fascism by the descendants of slaves?

Now, if only some of my fellow crackers that are in Congress would grow a spine....

It kind of reminds of the game of basketball. Whites invented the game, but blacks ended up teaching whites how to play it.

Time to play some Alanis Morissette!

Where the %@#~! is dz?

Where the %@#~! is dz?

I theorize that dz is on a

I theorize that dz is on a DOUBLE super secret plan to aid Weldon gather additional evidence re Able Danger. Sh-h-h-h.

BTW... in regards to Weldon,

BTW... in regards to Weldon, there are rumors circulating (Daily Kos), that the people he is going to identify are actually Neocons within the Pentagon, and not people affiliated with Clinton. Should be interesting.

im back.. at work, but back

im back.. at work, but back none the less.

expect quite a few updates tonight.