Regarding the link above, are we looking for truth here, or do you just hate Bush. If this site is just another anti-Bush site I'm moving on to find people who are actually looking for the truth. You're doing a disservice by posting things like the attached link to the photo. It indicates that you have an agenda other than finding out the truth. Are you going to disregard facts just because they don't implicate Bush? I thought that this Blog was different from the others.
Bret... one person's post on a site where anyone can post, does not define the site. As far as your question, "Are you going to disregard facts just because they don't implicate Bush?", I know for a FACT that the owner of this site has NON-PARTISANLY posted 9/11 related information, REGARDLESS of who it implicates. This is a great site, and the man who maintains it deserves some respect and recognition.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 09/23/2005 - 8:46am.
Cynthia McKinney’s Arab and Islamist Donors—a list that speaks for itself. (Many people emailed about this; thanks to all.)
Hani Y. Awadallah — president, Arab American Civic Organization, New Jersey.
Jesse Aweida — co-founder, American Task Force on Palestine.
Belal Dalati — a vice president of Arab-American Broadcasting Co. (Orange County Register, February 19, 2002) associated with the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
Hasan Elkhatib —member, board of directors, American Islamic Educational Foundation (MetroWest Jewish News, October 10, 1996)
Yaser Elmenshawy - chairman, Islamic Council of New Jersey.
Rafeeq Jaber — president, Islamic Association for Palestine, a Hamas offshoot.
Oussama Jammal — president, Bridgeview Mosque.
Samer Khalaf — chairman, American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee’s Political Outreach Committee in New Jersey.
Faroque Khan — president, Islamic Center of Long Island, also connected to the American Muslim Alliance and Islamic Society of North America.
Mahmoud A Nimer - member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa (an Islamic school established by Sami al-Arian; al-ArianÂ’s indictment indicates the school was used as a base of support for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad).
Ayman Osman - member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa; employer of Hatem Fariz, arrested on terrorism charges and charged with being a member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Talat Othman - former chairman of the Islamic Free Market Institute; secretary/treasurer of the American Task Force on Palestine.
Khalid Qazi — former president, American Muslim Council of western New York State.
Hareth Raddawi - member, board of directors, American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee, Chicago.
Allam Reheem - former member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa.
Talal Sunbulli — former chairman, Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago.
James Zogby — president, Arab American Institute.
In addition, the American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee gave $1,000.
Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today’s New York Post, “McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism,” plus “she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them.”
Cindy (not verified) on Fri, 09/23/2005 - 11:34am.
Please elaborate on how being 'arab' or 'islamic' equals 'extremist' in this list of yours. I count one supporter of Jihad, one alleged association with Hamas, and one person arrested (convicted too?) out of 17 people. I don't know these people very well, so maybe you can provide me with links of reports on their extremist behaviour. Google didn't find me any.
And Cindy... where would we be today without Cynthia McKinney? No one else in Congress has stood up as often as she has... we would be completely without a voice. I base my opinions on someone based on their actions, and to date, they have been admirable.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 09/23/2005 - 12:22pm.
I would not call anyone who supports the brutal regime of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe admirable. She is also an anti-Semite and blamed her loss a few years ago on the Jews. If she is associated with the cause, it will never gain mainstream support.
I don't believe McKinney is an anti-Semite, and I doubt very much she would support Mugabe. Maybe some day Cindy will provide us with links, but I'm not holding my breath.
Cindy... how does arguing about Cynthia help the movement? How does arguing about Cynthia get the truth out? How does arguing about Cynthia help to educate those people understand what's going on in the world? It's a waste of time. Be happy that she's gotten on C-SPAN along with Dr. David Ray Griffin, and Kyle Hence, and John Judge. Because of their efforts, countless peope have been turned onto the truth.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 09/23/2005 - 9:41pm.
I'm sure a lot of people disagree with McKinneys solitary stance on sanctioning Zimbabwe. Personally I think it was a brave act, pointed at ongoing 'hidden' colonialism the world over, although she might have chosen a better companion than Mugabe.
Ask yourself why almost all of the oil, gas, gold, diamonds and similar resources in third world countries are the property of western corporations, and why in 99% of these cases it has only brought suffering to the local population of these areas. I'm not saying these are her thoughts, but I can't see why her opinion should be any worse than the overall consensus in the corporate western world that it is perfectly ok to continue to drain the poorest countries of the world of their riches, poison its environment and opress its population.
On the antisemite bit, just google 'mckinney antisemite' and you will find that even jewish sources don't agree on that (the jewschool article). Besides, you probably know that just criticizing the Israeli security fence earns you a antisemite label nowadays.
Other than that, I don't see how these claims have anything to do with her work for the 911 Congressional Hearings. I'm sure if you would dig deeper you will find that in 1997 McKinney ran a red light, and that during her pre-teens she wiped the wrong way on several occasions. If you don't like where McKinney is coming from or heading at, just leave her alone and point your energy at people or organisations you support. After all the battle is ahead, not to the side of us.
From my vantage point, Cynthia has stayed 'screwed'.
Practically speaking, her official web site is as devoid of 9/11 truth as is Tom DeLay's and Bill Frist's and George Bush's. (Actually, her official web site totally sucks, especially compared to the sites she's had when she was running for office.)
As a public servant, how can her obligation to speak out regarding the truth about 9/11 every chance she gets be any less than ours?
If she feels a greater need to stay in 'power' than to uncover (by overtly publishing truths about) the greatest crime in U.S. history, then she's playing the bad guys' game.
And here's another 'coincidence' to mull over: Gatekeeper John Judge (the 9/11 'truth' 'leader' who buries/omits the same govt-conspiracy-breaking evidence as did the 9/11 Commission he was supposedly reubtting in his 149 page "omission report"!) is a member of McKinney's legislative staff.
blimp pilot (not verified) on Sat, 09/24/2005 - 5:59am.
Rep. Cynthia McKinney was involved Friday in a new series of conspiracy theories concerning the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, but this time she let others do most of the talking.
The Georgia Democrat hosted a forum at the Congressional Black Caucus' legislative conference entitled, "The 9/11 Omission: What the Commission Got Wrong." Most of her panelists had written books on the attacks, some of which accuse the Bush administration of a coverup if not actually being coconspirators alongside al Qaeda.
McKinney, who four years ago made controversial remarks on a radio talk show that Bush had prior warning of the attacks and profited by them, was mostly silent this time. However, she nodded vigorously as many of the panelists spoke and concluded one panel by signaling her agreement with some of the charges.
"We had four significant failures on one day of a trillion-dollar military and intelligence infrastructure," McKinney said. "I don't think that is certainly a possible thing to have happened. It's quite a coincidence, if it is."
One of the speakers, David Ray Griffin, labeled as "a 571-page lie" a report produced by an independent commission that investigated the events leading up to the attacks. Griffin's most recent book, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions," suggest there must have been pre-planted explosives inside the World Trade Center to topple the steel towers after the airplanes hit.
Another author, Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, suggested a Pentagon initiative may have been complicit in the anthrax attacks on Washington several months after Sept. 11, 2001. She also suggested a former government worker the FBI has targeted for years may indeed have been involved.
Former Army scientist Steven Hatfill was once labeled as a "person of interest" in the investigation, but Rosenberg refused to say whether she meant him because of legal concerns.
New Pearl Harbor (not verified) on Sat, 09/24/2005 - 7:44am.
I've confirmed a few stories from Tom Flocco before, but over the last 6 months or so, he's been getting exceedingly untrustworthy with his information.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Sat, 09/24/2005 - 8:05am.
Blimp Pilot... I tire of you. Now I'm going to make you look like the fool that you are. Sorry dz, but people need to see how ridiculous he is.
"From my vantage point, Cynthia has stayed 'screwed'.
Practically speaking, her official web site is as devoid of 9/11 truth as is Tom DeLay's and Bill Frist's and George Bush's. (Actually, her official web site totally sucks, especially compared to the sites she's had when she was running for office.)"
First of all... let's look at how misleading you are. The word, "devoid" means "Completely lacking; destitute or empty", or in other words, non-existent. As you can see here, that is not the case.
"As a public servant, how can her obligation to speak out regarding the truth about 9/11 every chance she gets be any less than ours?"
To my knowledge, she HAS spoken out every chance she's gotten. Did you think she could schedule briefings whenever she likes? Did you think she can get C-SPAN coverage whenever she likes? Obviously, that is not that case, but every opportunity she's had to speak to the powers that be regarding 9/11, she has. Or are you forgetting the first time she confronted Donald Rumsfeld and General Myers about the Wargames, and was cut off, and told she would receive a response in writing that never came?
Did you think it's easy for someone to speak out regarding 9/11 Truth? Look at everything the Bush Administration did to block the creation of the 9/11 Commission. Look at everything they did to make their investigation stymied. Look at how the Pentagon recently blocked 5 witnesses from testifying about Able Danger (regardless of how important Able Danger is related to 9/11).
I've been doing this for a LONG time, and from personal experience I can tell you that we have to FIGHT for EVERY chance we get to speak truth to power.
It doesn't need to be like that. If the 9/11 Truth Movement can STOP the constant bickering, then MAYBE we would develop a powerful enough base to be heard.
"If she feels a greater need to stay in 'power' than to uncover (by overtly publishing truths about) the greatest crime in U.S. history, then she's playing the bad guys' game."
Sorry "Dave", but Cynthia McKinney is working in a system that DEPENDS on being "politically correct". I would rather her kiss some ass, and be heard, than not, and be out of office.
"And here's another 'coincidence' to mull over: Gatekeeper John Judge (the 9/11 'truth' 'leader' who buries/omits the same govt-conspiracy-breaking evidence as did the 9/11 Commission he was supposedly reubtting in his 149 page "omission report"!) is a member of McKinney's legislative staff."
Good for John. Way to go! He should be congratulated for his work. I have said 1000x already that it doesn't matter if we agree with one another, so long as we share the same goal. I am comfortable enough with myself not to have to be right all the time, and as a result, I have the ability to work with others.
All of us who really want to know the truth have each contributed a little piece of the puzzle. ALL OF US. If John Judge doesn't cover something that you know about, that doesn't mean he's a "gatekeeper". His work on the Anthrax investigation, and his work on trying to get the monographs protected by the Commission is priceless.
blimp pilot, as far as I can tell, you have posted several times on this site. With all of those posts, in my opinion, you have contributed absolutely nothing. This is a place to gather information, teach others the truth, and figure out ways to tell others about the truth. I challenge you to give us a suggestion without using the words, "disinfo, gatekeeper, LIHOP, MIHOP, etc...). If you can do that, I would be very surprised.
I apologize for this "in-fighting".
Jon Gold (not verified) on Sat, 09/24/2005 - 8:32am.
we definitely need to find the common ground. No one is entirely sure what took place that day, but i think we can all agree that the official story is total BS. If we can focus on that, then perhaps the truth will come out.
Even if this Able Danger doesn't pan out as we hope, it at least raises consciousness to the possible idea that the story told by the gov't isn't exactly true...which means they might be more open or willing to listen to those who are trying to uncover the truth.
peace!
rayrayjones (not verified) on Sat, 09/24/2005 - 11:01am.
This is a site for delusional liars, that's what's new. Its hard to see an " alternate news " to the truth that 19 Islamic Arab pigs hijacked planes and steered them into the buildings. You're having your fun, but you only deceiving the vulernable in society. Congratulations.
I worked in the WTC. This is not a game.
The Phantom (not verified) on Sun, 09/25/2005 - 12:43am.
Phantom: If this site was for delusional liars, there would be a lot more people like you here.
If you think the airforce isn't capable of intercepting 4 hijacked planes you're sadly misinformed. The U.S. Airforce, with all its technology and power, envied by the rest of the world, held up as a beacon of U.S. military might by which all others are measured, didn't show up for work that day.
Who could possibly orchestrate such an event? Who benefitted the most from the attacks? Who continues to use the 9/11 attacks at every opportunity to further their own agenda?
Simple logic exposes the truth.
somebigguy (not verified) on Sun, 09/25/2005 - 2:55am.
Jon Gold seems to take facts about LIHOPers (LIHOP = LImited HangOut Practitioner) not very seriously. He apparently sees them only as baseless personal attacks, which he then takes very very personally, and then feels the need to make defensive ad hominem attacks in rebuttal, rather than recognizing the truth in the statement that "Practically speaking, her official web site is as devoid of 9/11 truth as is Tom DeLay's and Bill Frist's and George Bush's.", a statement by which I stand. Everyone can click on it and decide for themselves what a gung-ho advocate of 911 truth McKinney has really turned out to be.
Jon Gold has also stated here that "John Judge is a friend" of his and that he would defend John Judge to the death. I believe Jon made this statement after having met John Judge once. Such cult-like adoration can only get in the way of a logical investigation (just like John Judge himself).
How much is John Judge paying you to defend him, Jon? Why can't John Judge defend his bogus actions here himself?
So just keep screaming, Jon. People are going to figure you out real quickly. You are a LIHOPer's LIHOPer. You care more about taking sides, and people's feelings, than you do about a full-strength quest for unvarnished 9/11 truth.
And please explain to us the difference between what you're trying to do here and the way people who are ignorant about 9/11 defend Bush from what they can only see as baseless (or merely hate-based) personal attacks against their leader (ie, our terrorist-in-chief).
blimp pilot (not verified) on Sun, 09/25/2005 - 5:54am.
Phantom needs to realize that the story about the 19 alleged hijackers is just as much a conspiracy theory as any other theory. The funny thing is, there is more legitimate evidence proving the Bush admistration's involvement than Ziad Jarrah (one of the alleged hijackers).
The Bulldog Manifesto (not verified) on Mon, 09/26/2005 - 8:20pm.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whirlyman/6869004/
Regarding the link above,
Regarding the link above, are we looking for truth here, or do you just hate Bush. If this site is just another anti-Bush site I'm moving on to find people who are actually looking for the truth. You're doing a disservice by posting things like the attached link to the photo. It indicates that you have an agenda other than finding out the truth. Are you going to disregard facts just because they don't implicate Bush? I thought that this Blog was different from the others.
Bret... one person's post on
Bret... one person's post on a site where anyone can post, does not define the site. As far as your question, "Are you going to disregard facts just because they don't implicate Bush?", I know for a FACT that the owner of this site has NON-PARTISANLY posted 9/11 related information, REGARDLESS of who it implicates. This is a great site, and the man who maintains it deserves some respect and recognition.
The 9/11 Congressional
The 9/11 Congressional Briefing Hosted By Rep. Cynthia McKinney - Audio Inside
These are the ones from 7/22... it's not completely apparently, but it's better than nothing...
Was The 9/11 Commission
Was The 9/11 Commission Non-Partisan?
Cynthia McKinneyÂ’s Arab
Cynthia McKinney’s Arab and Islamist Donors—a list that speaks for itself. (Many people emailed about this; thanks to all.)
Hani Y. Awadallah — president, Arab American Civic Organization, New Jersey.
Jesse Aweida — co-founder, American Task Force on Palestine.
Belal Dalati — a vice president of Arab-American Broadcasting Co. (Orange County Register, February 19, 2002) associated with the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
Hasan Elkhatib —member, board of directors, American Islamic Educational Foundation (MetroWest Jewish News, October 10, 1996)
Yaser Elmenshawy - chairman, Islamic Council of New Jersey.
Rafeeq Jaber — president, Islamic Association for Palestine, a Hamas offshoot.
Oussama Jammal — president, Bridgeview Mosque.
Samer Khalaf — chairman, American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee’s Political Outreach Committee in New Jersey.
Faroque Khan — president, Islamic Center of Long Island, also connected to the American Muslim Alliance and Islamic Society of North America.
Mahmoud A Nimer - member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa (an Islamic school established by Sami al-Arian; al-ArianÂ’s indictment indicates the school was used as a base of support for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad).
Ayman Osman - member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa; employer of Hatem Fariz, arrested on terrorism charges and charged with being a member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Talat Othman - former chairman of the Islamic Free Market Institute; secretary/treasurer of the American Task Force on Palestine.
Khalid Qazi — former president, American Muslim Council of western New York State.
Hareth Raddawi - member, board of directors, American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee, Chicago.
Allam Reheem - former member, board of directors, Islamic Academy of Florida, Tampa.
Talal Sunbulli — former chairman, Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago.
James Zogby — president, Arab American Institute.
In addition, the American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee gave $1,000.
Such an outpouring of extremist support comes as no shock; as Erick Stakelbeck documents in today’s New York Post, “McKinney has long associated with militant Islamic groups whose members have openly supported terrorism,” plus “she has taken to the floor of the House to defend them.”
Cindy, Please elaborate on
Cindy,
Please elaborate on how being 'arab' or 'islamic' equals 'extremist' in this list of yours. I count one supporter of Jihad, one alleged association with Hamas, and one person arrested (convicted too?) out of 17 people. I don't know these people very well, so maybe you can provide me with links of reports on their extremist behaviour. Google didn't find me any.
And Cindy... where would we
And Cindy... where would we be today without Cynthia McKinney? No one else in Congress has stood up as often as she has... we would be completely without a voice. I base my opinions on someone based on their actions, and to date, they have been admirable.
I would not call anyone who
I would not call anyone who supports the brutal regime of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe admirable. She is also an anti-Semite and blamed her loss a few years ago on the Jews. If she is associated with the cause, it will never gain mainstream support.
I don't believe McKinney is
I don't believe McKinney is an anti-Semite, and I doubt very much she would support Mugabe. Maybe some day Cindy will provide us with links, but I'm not holding my breath.
Cindy... how does arguing
Cindy... how does arguing about Cynthia help the movement? How does arguing about Cynthia get the truth out? How does arguing about Cynthia help to educate those people understand what's going on in the world? It's a waste of time. Be happy that she's gotten on C-SPAN along with Dr. David Ray Griffin, and Kyle Hence, and John Judge. Because of their efforts, countless peope have been turned onto the truth.
Incidentally, you might want
Incidentally, you might want to read this...
The Screwing Of Cynthia McKinney
I'm sure a lot of people
I'm sure a lot of people disagree with McKinneys solitary stance on sanctioning Zimbabwe. Personally I think it was a brave act, pointed at ongoing 'hidden' colonialism the world over, although she might have chosen a better companion than Mugabe.
Ask yourself why almost all of the oil, gas, gold, diamonds and similar resources in third world countries are the property of western corporations, and why in 99% of these cases it has only brought suffering to the local population of these areas. I'm not saying these are her thoughts, but I can't see why her opinion should be any worse than the overall consensus in the corporate western world that it is perfectly ok to continue to drain the poorest countries of the world of their riches, poison its environment and opress its population.
On the antisemite bit, just google 'mckinney antisemite' and you will find that even jewish sources don't agree on that (the jewschool article). Besides, you probably know that just criticizing the Israeli security fence earns you a antisemite label nowadays.
Other than that, I don't see how these claims have anything to do with her work for the 911 Congressional Hearings. I'm sure if you would dig deeper you will find that in 1997 McKinney ran a red light, and that during her pre-teens she wiped the wrong way on several occasions. If you don't like where McKinney is coming from or heading at, just leave her alone and point your energy at people or organisations you support. After all the battle is ahead, not to the side of us.
From my vantage point,
From my vantage point, Cynthia has stayed 'screwed'.
Practically speaking, her official web site is as devoid of 9/11 truth as is Tom DeLay's and Bill Frist's and George Bush's. (Actually, her official web site totally sucks, especially compared to the sites she's had when she was running for office.)
As a public servant, how can her obligation to speak out regarding the truth about 9/11 every chance she gets be any less than ours?
If she feels a greater need to stay in 'power' than to uncover (by overtly publishing truths about) the greatest crime in U.S. history, then she's playing the bad guys' game.
And here's another 'coincidence' to mull over: Gatekeeper John Judge (the 9/11 'truth' 'leader' who buries/omits the same govt-conspiracy-breaking evidence as did the 9/11 Commission he was supposedly reubtting in his 149 page "omission report"!) is a member of McKinney's legislative staff.
DZ or anyone: Has Barbara
DZ or anyone:
Has Barbara Olsen of flt 77 fame been arrested in Europe?
Can anyone confirm this story being reported by Tom Flocco?
can anyone confirm anything
can anyone confirm anything that is on TomFlocco's site?
I hope it's true, but i doubt it.
The real news today must be
The real news today must be this AP story: McKinney's panel drums up more Sept. 11 conspiracy theories
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=65468
The Associated Press - WASHINGTON
Rep. Cynthia McKinney was involved Friday in a new series of conspiracy theories concerning the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, but this time she let others do most of the talking.
The Georgia Democrat hosted a forum at the Congressional Black Caucus' legislative conference entitled, "The 9/11 Omission: What the Commission Got Wrong." Most of her panelists had written books on the attacks, some of which accuse the Bush administration of a coverup if not actually being coconspirators alongside al Qaeda.
McKinney, who four years ago made controversial remarks on a radio talk show that Bush had prior warning of the attacks and profited by them, was mostly silent this time. However, she nodded vigorously as many of the panelists spoke and concluded one panel by signaling her agreement with some of the charges.
"We had four significant failures on one day of a trillion-dollar military and intelligence infrastructure," McKinney said. "I don't think that is certainly a possible thing to have happened. It's quite a coincidence, if it is."
One of the speakers, David Ray Griffin, labeled as "a 571-page lie" a report produced by an independent commission that investigated the events leading up to the attacks. Griffin's most recent book, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions," suggest there must have been pre-planted explosives inside the World Trade Center to topple the steel towers after the airplanes hit.
Another author, Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, suggested a Pentagon initiative may have been complicit in the anthrax attacks on Washington several months after Sept. 11, 2001. She also suggested a former government worker the FBI has targeted for years may indeed have been involved.
Former Army scientist Steven Hatfill was once labeled as a "person of interest" in the investigation, but Rosenberg refused to say whether she meant him because of legal concerns.
I've confirmed a few stories
I've confirmed a few stories from Tom Flocco before, but over the last 6 months or so, he's been getting exceedingly untrustworthy with his information.
I think influences Stew
I think influences Stew Webb, Tom Heneghan, etc... have been a bad influence on Tom.
Blimp Pilot... I tire of
Blimp Pilot... I tire of you. Now I'm going to make you look like the fool that you are. Sorry dz, but people need to see how ridiculous he is.
"From my vantage point, Cynthia has stayed 'screwed'.
Practically speaking, her official web site is as devoid of 9/11 truth as is Tom DeLay's and Bill Frist's and George Bush's. (Actually, her official web site totally sucks, especially compared to the sites she's had when she was running for office.)"
First of all... let's look at how misleading you are. The word, "devoid" means "Completely lacking; destitute or empty", or in other words, non-existent. As you can see here, that is not the case.
"As a public servant, how can her obligation to speak out regarding the truth about 9/11 every chance she gets be any less than ours?"
To my knowledge, she HAS spoken out every chance she's gotten. Did you think she could schedule briefings whenever she likes? Did you think she can get C-SPAN coverage whenever she likes? Obviously, that is not that case, but every opportunity she's had to speak to the powers that be regarding 9/11, she has. Or are you forgetting the first time she confronted Donald Rumsfeld and General Myers about the Wargames, and was cut off, and told she would receive a response in writing that never came?
Did you think it's easy for someone to speak out regarding 9/11 Truth? Look at everything the Bush Administration did to block the creation of the 9/11 Commission. Look at everything they did to make their investigation stymied. Look at how the Pentagon recently blocked 5 witnesses from testifying about Able Danger (regardless of how important Able Danger is related to 9/11).
I've been doing this for a LONG time, and from personal experience I can tell you that we have to FIGHT for EVERY chance we get to speak truth to power.
It doesn't need to be like that. If the 9/11 Truth Movement can STOP the constant bickering, then MAYBE we would develop a powerful enough base to be heard.
"If she feels a greater need to stay in 'power' than to uncover (by overtly publishing truths about) the greatest crime in U.S. history, then she's playing the bad guys' game."
Sorry "Dave", but Cynthia McKinney is working in a system that DEPENDS on being "politically correct". I would rather her kiss some ass, and be heard, than not, and be out of office.
"And here's another 'coincidence' to mull over: Gatekeeper John Judge (the 9/11 'truth' 'leader' who buries/omits the same govt-conspiracy-breaking evidence as did the 9/11 Commission he was supposedly reubtting in his 149 page "omission report"!) is a member of McKinney's legislative staff."
Good for John. Way to go! He should be congratulated for his work. I have said 1000x already that it doesn't matter if we agree with one another, so long as we share the same goal. I am comfortable enough with myself not to have to be right all the time, and as a result, I have the ability to work with others.
All of us who really want to know the truth have each contributed a little piece of the puzzle. ALL OF US. If John Judge doesn't cover something that you know about, that doesn't mean he's a "gatekeeper". His work on the Anthrax investigation, and his work on trying to get the monographs protected by the Commission is priceless.
blimp pilot, as far as I can tell, you have posted several times on this site. With all of those posts, in my opinion, you have contributed absolutely nothing. This is a place to gather information, teach others the truth, and figure out ways to tell others about the truth. I challenge you to give us a suggestion without using the words, "disinfo, gatekeeper, LIHOP, MIHOP, etc...). If you can do that, I would be very surprised.
I apologize for this "in-fighting".
I'm doing my best to confirm
I'm doing my best to confirm the Flocco story, but I can't find anything.
I have a question in regards
I have a question in regards to the Flocco story. If she was still alive, would she have the same name? That's kind of risky don't you think...
Hi all! Lotta stress on this
Hi all! Lotta stress on this long quest-- stay on target, and good vibes all around.
"Terror Timeline" author Paul Thompson on 9/22:
Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...
Frank... here's the original
Frank... here's the original article...
Military "Spied" On Rice
Huh... HaloScan isn't
Huh... HaloScan isn't remembering my login...
thanks Jon! we definitely
thanks Jon!
we definitely need to find the common ground. No one is entirely sure what took place that day, but i think we can all agree that the official story is total BS. If we can focus on that, then perhaps the truth will come out.
Even if this Able Danger doesn't pan out as we hope, it at least raises consciousness to the possible idea that the story told by the gov't isn't exactly true...which means they might be more open or willing to listen to those who are trying to uncover the truth.
peace!
Thanks rayray... "No one
Thanks rayray...
"No one knows everything, only together may we find the truth."
Some really smart guy said that once... ;)
BTW... I've decided to
BTW... I've decided to attend this weekend in D.C. I will have pics, and video posted for you sometime within the next couple of days.
Here's what Wayne Madsen had
Here's what Wayne Madsen had to say about the Flocco story...
"It is BS -- this came out as the Polish-Austrian border which does not exist. This guy belongs in the loony bin"
This is a site for
This is a site for delusional liars, that's what's new. Its hard to see an " alternate news " to the truth that 19 Islamic Arab pigs hijacked planes and steered them into the buildings. You're having your fun, but you only deceiving the vulernable in society. Congratulations.
I worked in the WTC. This is not a game.
Phantom: If this site was
Phantom: If this site was for delusional liars, there would be a lot more people like you here.
If you think the airforce isn't capable of intercepting 4 hijacked planes you're sadly misinformed. The U.S. Airforce, with all its technology and power, envied by the rest of the world, held up as a beacon of U.S. military might by which all others are measured, didn't show up for work that day.
Who could possibly orchestrate such an event? Who benefitted the most from the attacks? Who continues to use the 9/11 attacks at every opportunity to further their own agenda?
Simple logic exposes the truth.
Jon Gold seems to take facts
Jon Gold seems to take facts about LIHOPers (LIHOP = LImited HangOut Practitioner) not very seriously. He apparently sees them only as baseless personal attacks, which he then takes very very personally, and then feels the need to make defensive ad hominem attacks in rebuttal, rather than recognizing the truth in the statement that "Practically speaking, her official web site is as devoid of 9/11 truth as is Tom DeLay's and Bill Frist's and George Bush's.", a statement by which I stand. Everyone can click on it and decide for themselves what a gung-ho advocate of 911 truth McKinney has really turned out to be.
Jon Gold has also stated here that "John Judge is a friend" of his and that he would defend John Judge to the death. I believe Jon made this statement after having met John Judge once. Such cult-like adoration can only get in the way of a logical investigation (just like John Judge himself).
How much is John Judge paying you to defend him, Jon? Why can't John Judge defend his bogus actions here himself?
So just keep screaming, Jon. People are going to figure you out real quickly. You are a LIHOPer's LIHOPer. You care more about taking sides, and people's feelings, than you do about a full-strength quest for unvarnished 9/11 truth.
And please explain to us the difference between what you're trying to do here and the way people who are ignorant about 9/11 defend Bush from what they can only see as baseless (or merely hate-based) personal attacks against their leader (ie, our terrorist-in-chief).
Thanks for proving my point
Thanks for proving my point blimp.
Washington D.C. Anti-War
Washington D.C. Anti-War Rally - 9/24/2005 - Pictures Inside
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Washington D.C. Anti-War Rally - 9/11 Station - Video Inside
Phantom needs to realize
Phantom needs to realize that the story about the 19 alleged hijackers is just as much a conspiracy theory as any other theory. The funny thing is, there is more legitimate evidence proving the Bush admistration's involvement than Ziad Jarrah (one of the alleged hijackers).
And the fact that as many as
And the fact that as many as 9 of the illeged hijackers have turned up alive and well makes the government completely bogus.