Grab Bag and Open Thread

Fat cats milked Ground Zero

Hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid intended to help small downtown businesses that were reeling from the 9/11 attacks often went instead to huge international corporations, companies with little attachment to the stricken area and businesses that were never in jeopardy.

The beneficiaries included a stock brokerage firm that had closed more than a month before the terrorists hit, a giant real estate firm that repeatedly said it wasn't hurt by the attacks, scores of wealthy self-employed floor traders and a Gramercy Park messenger service with a tiny satellite office downtown, a Daily News investigation of 9/11 disaster recovery aid shows.

9/11 Commission: 'Another Attack Will Occur'

Added Lee Hamilton, the former Democratic vice chairman of the commission: "We believe that another attack will occur. It's not a question of if. We are not as well-prepared as we should be."

The quote above is from Kean and Hamilton's appearance on Meet the Press this morning, from which Jon Gold noticed the following contradiction/lie:

"Look, we looked at Able Danger very, very carefully."
Lee Hamilton - 12/4/2005 - Meet The Press

"The 9-11 Commission did not learn of any U.S. government knowledge prior to 9-11 of surveillance of Mohammed Atta or of his cell. Had we learned of it, obviously it would've been a major focus of our investigation."
Lee Hamilton - 8/23/2005 - Village Voice, "Errors Of Commission"

Trying to take a bit of time off tonight, so have at it!

Yeah, I think it's

Yeah, I think it's interesting how the 9/11 Commission has become the poster child for the agenda of fascists.

I just finished watching

I just finished watching today's episode of "Meet The Press"... a few things stood out to me, aside from the lie...

Regarding Able Danger..

"We concluded--the staff concluded, not the commission--that this information was not valid, that there was too much doubt about it"

Paul Sperry summarized...

"Though he has no vote, (Zelikow) arguably has more sway than any member, including the chairman. Zelikow picks the areas of investigation, the briefing materials, the topics for hearings, the witnesses, and the lines of questioning for witnesses. . . .In effect, he sets the agenda and runs the investigation."

So this means it was Philip Zelikow who concluded this information was not valid.

Philip Zelikow, a member of the Bush Administration.

A few other things stood out to me. If I was someone who followed the "Official Story", I would think... "why hasn't our Government taken the necessary precautions to protect us?"

I think the answer to that question is QUITE obvious. They are in no hurry to "protect" us, because they are the ones who attacked us in the first place.

Americans were getting too

Americans were getting too complacent. its all scare tactics royalle with cheese. these guys are definitely dead in the soul, hearts of darkness assholes. the average uninformed american sees these people criticizing Bush and it gives them and their commission instant credibility. as if the global mob is incapable of strategizing--- what they don't realize is the battle isn't to keep bush popular or crap like that, it is to keep terrorism and the fear of it as a credible threat, even if that is at the expense of bush or cheney... As opposed to truth which is that the same people who are supposed to be fighting terrorism are the ones perpetuating and instigating it.

they're saying that terrorism is alive and well... Osama is still out there and still wants to hurt america...

F-ing BS all of it.

gentlemen, I'm curious to

gentlemen, I'm curious to know your opinions regarding the story of the engine determined to be from a 737 rather than a 767::

The 911 Street Engine Story

I quote this article all the time in my efforts to show that the govt. fairy tale is a lie.

Hi James, unfortunately I am

Hi James, unfortunately I am in no position to come to any conclusions regarding that engine part. There is so much disinformation out there, it is hard to know what can be believed.

I thought that somebody did do a pretty thorough analysis of flight 175, comparing its dimensions to a 767 and it did seem to match. I've read other stuff, by Karl Schwarz I believe, that stated the engines were too close together and this was more indicative of a 737.

So, unfortunately, its hard to come to a solid conclusion until this issue gets into a court of law and all the nonsense can be thrown out. That's why us lay-people need to concentrate on aspects of the attacks that don't require detailed technical skills to understand:

Simple Logic Exposes the Truth:

Simple Logic Part II:

However, does this Rense article you linked to stand up to intense scrutiny in your opinion? I've never tried to argue it myself.

big guy, thanx for

big guy, thanx for responding! I trust Jon Carlson who wrote the article, though rense articles in general sometimes have conflicting info. ~ they tend to go for quantity, which has it's own merits.... anyway, it's my understanding that a 737 is only marginally smaller than a 767, except for the engines which are MUCH smaller ~ I guess it boils down to trusting that the photos are authentic, which I do ~

this is an excellent blog by

this is an excellent blog by the way~I've learned a lot from it, and I was dismayed when it went down a few weeks ago~ now that it's back up I try to direct people to it as often as I can

Hey James, write up a little

Hey James, write up a little article that discusses this aspect with the most compelling proof and we'll post it...