Paul Thompson Hints at New Timeline Entries - Molten Steel

The WTC molten steel question - Democratic Underground

I'm in the middle of making some new 9/11 Timeline entries, as usual, and here's one I'm working on that was sent to me by a great volunteer named Matthew:

September 12, 2001-February 2002: Witnesses See Molten Metal in the Remains at Ground Zero
In the weeks and months after 9/11, numerous individuals report there being molten metal in the remains of the WTC at Ground Zero. Ken Holden, who is involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations there later describes to the 9/11 Commission, "Underground, it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from Building 6." Leslie Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, describes fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks. Alison Geyh, who heads a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reports, "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel." Ron Burger, a public health advisor who arrives at Ground Zero on September 12, says that "feeling the heat" and "seeing the molten steel" there reminds him of a volcano. According to a member of New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, "One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots." New York firefighters later recall in a documentary film, "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel." As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O'Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, "was dripping from the molten steel." Physics professor Steven E. Jones later claims this molten metal is "direct evidence for the use of high-temperature explosives, such as thermite," used to deliberately bring down the WTC towers. He says that without explosives, a falling building would have "insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal."

and here's a related one Matthew also made:

September 16-23, 2001: Images of Ground Zero Show Thermal Hot Spots
In response to requests from the Environmental Protection Agency, through the US Geological Survey, NASA flies a plane over the site of the WTC complex, equipped with a remote sensing instrument called AVIRIS. AVIRIS is able to remotely record the near-infrared signature of heat. Analysis of the data it collects indicates temperatures at Ground Zero of above 800 degrees Fahrenheit, with some areas above 1,300 degrees. On September 16, dozens of "hot spots" are seen, but by September 23, only four or five remain. Despite the WTC rubble being pumped with an almost constant jet of water, eventually totaling thousands of gallons, almost 12 weeks after 9/11 at least one fire is still burning, making it the longest-burning structural fire in history.

Since I'm not a scientist or engineer, these WTC issues are not my forte, but these things do need to be addressed in the timeline. So, I would like to hear from people at this forum about these above entries. They are just rough drafts - is there anything important missing? I'm particularly keen to hear other explanations of the molten metal (as mentioned in news articles or official reports, as that's the only sourcing I use). I would like to include theories other than that by Dr. Jones, if they exist. What's the "official" explanation? Matthew will look again, but he thinks the NIST reports on the WTC collapses doesn't mention the molten metal at all. Is that true?

I'll admit a lack of hard science expertise, but I find molten steel still dripping five months later extremely odd. If the official reports fail to mention it whatsoever, that also would be strange.

Thanks Gold for the heads up!

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Dear editor, I hope you find my essay worthy of publishing at your great web
Peace & Justice,

September 11 Attacks Revisited

By Vincent L Guarisco

December 6, 2005

To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we only owe the truth.

We live in desperate times with desperate grievances, which makes it hard
for us to stand tall and enthusiastically call ourselves Americans. In fact,
professing to be an American in many foreign lands could very easily get us
killed. So much has happened to get us to where we are today. Sadly, our
reputation has quickly tarnished into an oblique sense of faded pride. Old
glory just doesn't illuminate the sparkle the way she used to...and that is
very sad indeed.

For the most part, Americans -- my people -- are honest, hard-working and
peace-loving. From one end of this great nation to the other, all cities big
and small and in-between are full of people I have just described. And the
same can be said about many of our leaders too. Several of them are quite
worthy of the title.

Overall, the same can be said of our military establishment. So many
soldiers and officers bravely protect us and keep us from harm, both foreign
and domestic. Most of them at all branches and levels of service have their
priorities and hearts in the right place. They truly are our nation's
bravest assets, and are to be forever commended for their loyal and
honorable service. God bless each and every one of them.

However, there are those among us who are NOT honest, loving and loyal. They
do not have the best interests of the American people in mind. It is those
few bad apples -- rich, powerful, military or civilian -- that I despise
with all my being. They know who they are. They are the spoiled fruit of our
cherished orchard, the hostile seeds of our peaceful garden, they are the
few among the many who need to be eliminated from our great national forest.
They are the enemy within, and they secretly pull the levers of power...

They rule over a money-making dynasty filled with unsavory makers of doom.
Indeed, it's a spooky tight-knit military consortium seeded with a few brass
maniacs who proudly embellish bloodstained-medals on their stiff lapels.
Little pinstriped caesars, operating with impunity who are unremorseful of
their calculating misdeeds that willfully displace, maim and kill untold
numbers of innocent people on their sick, demented chessboard of death.

This leviathan of repugnance, better known as the neo-con establishment,
enjoys nothing better than inventing new and improved get-rich schemes
geared to boost their military industrial complex. It's alarming how these
schemes are quietly walked-on-down-the-hall, signed by the joint chiefs,
then placed into action -- almost always guaranteeing that many expendable
pawns fall to the wayside in order to fill a few tyrannical pocketbooks.
Hell, these sick few probably do a ghoulish circle-jerk while saluting each
other and forcing the game pieces to meekly take their places on the board
for their crude pleasure and amusement.

This devil's dynasty for profit is no mystery to those of us who already
understand the matrix. In fact, it's easily recognizable when examining the
many discrepancies surrounding the neo-con sponsored attacks of 9/11, and
the ensuing war hype that followed on its heel in Afghanistan and Iraq.

True enough, for years it's been a hard CNN road to hoe, a battered FOX
trail to travel. But now, the many significant facts and omissions that the
9/11 official investigation did NOT reveal, are throughly laid-out for your
review. This extraordinary DVD, Confronting the Evidence, is free at This powerful DVD is explosive; it
explores and exposes the official 911 lies. It's the best comprehensive
showing of what took place on that fateful day. I kid you not, Confronting
the Evidence does just that, and takes viewers on a journey down the
firefighter's hole at ground zero into the land of Twin Tower OZ.

However, if you have never been exposed to information such as this, you may
become disturbed or frightened by what you see and learn. But keep in mind,
you are not alone in this place, so go ahead and swallow the red pill -- we
have patiently been waiting for your arrival at this inevitable meeting of
the minds. Yes, by all means join us at truths dinner table, we welcome
you with open arms for your understanding and involvement. You can't get
lost, simply follow the faint
cries of our dead brothers and sisters who remain trapped in time by the
lies that continue to hold them prisoner.

On a personal note -- prior to what I believe to be the professional
demolition-job of 9-11, I thought I'd seen the worst in men. At least I
thought I had until I witnessed junior Bush and his Project for a New
American Century neo-cons steal the throne of power and turn our world
upside down. But I was wrong, very wrong -- because all previous
administrations are easily considered cream puff material compared to this
treasonous bunch. Their brazen arrogance for terminating the sanctity of
life is beyond words, true bonesmen, all possessing vulture DNA.

I thought nothing could be worse than what happened to my father when he
served in the military under a different generation of psycho war-maniacs.
He was one of many soldiers who bravely fought in WWII and Korea. He was one
of the poor souls who walked on the smouldering ashes of Hiroshima after the
atomic bombings. Then, in 1946, he was once again inhumanely used as a
Guinea pig by the nuclear weapons industry at Operations Crossroads.
Sadly, my father and thousands of other good men were herded like fatlings
for the kill when their superiors ordered them to the atomic gallows at
Bikini Atoll. Once there, they were forced to participate in the largest
Atomic test ever conducted by the U.S. The cruel Caesars of that day
shamelessly nuked tens of thousands of military personnel in order to
critique their precious weapons of mass destruction. But what really crushed
him, what really stuck the knife in his heart, was the mental torment that
followed when he finally realized that the same government for which he had
just laid his life on the line, was interested in just one thing --
heartlessly waiting for him to die like some sick lab rat under a distant,
uncaring microscope.

Few people know that our nation's history is replete with such atrocities,
and some are still ongoing. We have been plagued with countless traumatic
events for a very long time: presidential assassinations, dropping nuclear
bombs on civilian targets, exposing our own troops to radiation, depleted
uranium and other deadly toxins, starting bogus wars based on lies and
deceit, torturing our enemy. So much death and destruction. More times than
not, many of us are confused, insecure, worried or even angry if we attempt
to face that which we have hidden so well. It's not easy putting yourself
under a microscope -- confronting your own self-denial. It's as if this sort
of healing process is culturally taboo, or perhaps it's perceived as a
malicious violation of one's sacred perception of the nation/state. Let's
get real -- we are a heavily populated Republic suffering from mass
post-traumatic-stress syndrome (PTSD) .

However, sooner or later we must all face reality. Our national healing can
only begin by first asking hard questions and demanding honest answers,
starting with ourselves and then from those who represent us. In order to
better understand our state-constructed pandemonium, it is crucial to
abandon all concepts of honoring or serving the body politic right or wrong.
We must ignore criticisms from others who say questioning our leaders during
wartime is unpatriotic. Not only is it patriotic to question our leaders
during wartime or any time, it's our obligation as United States citizens to
do so, since everything they do is done in our names. The reward for making
our leaders accountable for their actions is simple -- confusion will bring
awareness, insecureness will produce security, and taking a position of
dissent will birth a unified force of checks and balances that will embolden
peace and justice with the sanctity of trust.

However, its obvious that we have a long way to go before we can achieve our
desired goal. We have much to do. What we already know concerning the
discrepancies of 9/11 is quite disturbing, here are but a few of the
questions that need to be addressed:

1) How can this administration claim that it had no idea that planes would
be hijacked and used as weapons to be crashed into buildings when at least
five, if not six, training exercises were in operation for that very
scenario in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11? Does it not
seem suspicious that this was planned to confuse NORAD and other defense
measures that may have stopped the planes from reaching their targets? As a
result of those so called training missions, several planes were sent in
the completely wrong direction. Take note, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld
were running these exercises from their secured bunkers at the time of the

2) It is likely that pre-positioned explosives were used in all three
buildings at ground zero. In fact, there was at least 10 characteristics
that such is exactly the case.

3) Steven Jones, Brigham University Physics Professor is on-record for
stating -- No steel framed building before or since September 11 has ever
collapsed from fire or collision, including Nagasaki and

"Physics professor Steven E.

"Physics professor Steven E. Jones later claims this molten metal is 'direct evidence for the use of high-temperature explosives, such as thermite,'"

Jones is a latecomer, so we're still cutting him a little slack, even though a physics professor ought to know better...

The evidence (too much too-fine powdery dust, humongous pyroclastic dust/debris clouds, molten steel found long after the 'collapses', fires which blazed for 99 days despite constant dousing with water) all points to an energy source far beyond "conventional explosives" (even "high-temperature" ones) as used in a "controlled demolition".

It's quite clear from our point of view that some other energy source, probably a plasma weapon, was unleashed within about 15 seconds of the collapses of the 3 skyscrapers. (Just consider the ground-level location of the centers of expansion of those pyroclastic dust clouds, which have never appeared following any conventional controlled demolition.)

But even if it was something else, it's equally clear that folks with scientific(-sounding) backgrounds who go on about "conventional explosives" and "controlled demolition", but never go any further, are gatekeeping yet another obvious, more horrible, more revealing truth about 9/11.