Dr. Martin Luther King Opposes Vietnam - Audio Inside

9/11: Premiere today: Top 15 to boycott/leaflet "United 93" http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=11689

Lee was hip to the Krishnamurti philosophy, there's an interview floating around on the torrent network if you can find it. Worth it :+:

Not sure if this was posted yet today. Kind of a weird article.

9/11 Conspiracy: A Skeptic's View
http://www.crisispapers.org/essays6p/skeptic.htm

I sent an e-mail to www.talkingpointsmemo.com as well. Wasn't expecting a response let alone this response

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:22:37 -0400
To: "Andy White"
From: "Talking Points Memo"
Subject:Re: A question about something you won't cover

we won't cover it because we don't the truth to come out. didn't you know that?

At 08:03 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:

> Why did Wolrd Trade Center Building 7 collapse? How can you ignore this? How?

haha united 93 message boards appeared to get wise.... by deleting all the entries on the message boards.. (We apologize for the removal of the message boards - due to technical difficulties all previous threads have been inadvertantly deleted. We invite you to renew your dialog and discuss your thoughts on the film. )http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/index.php?c=11

so it's ok to ignore 9/11 truth because he mentioned wtc 7?

Andy, I thought the letter to Lynne Woolsey was right on.

Was at the premier tonight at the Zigfeld theatre on 54th St., of the movie "Flt. 93"

People were given free tickets in order to fill the theatre, from what I understand by speaking to people waiting in line to get in. It was hard for me to understand how they would fill that theatre - 2000 seats, since so many people, at least among the world of people who go to premieres - (*get it*, the Hollywood Crowd) )(i.e. They're f***** up people who don't love America, remember? And don't generally think that Propaganda is High Art. ) - do not want to see this movie. But it sold out.

I suppose it must've been a hand picked crowd. Their worst nighmare would've been of some of us 911 Truth people getting a ticket. (Turn it into Rocky Horror Show and act out the parts. Or talk back to the screen - "He'd never say that" Or "Bullshit!" or at the end when the narrartor says, ~"And so began the War on Terror." ..."TRAITORS!"

So it looked as though there were buses bringing in people to see it. There were definitely buses and people who were lured in with the temptation of a "Free ticket." And also at the end a very long line of black rented town cars, like the kind I've come to know from my block for carrying government officials, diplomats, fancy corporate tourists...a very long line to big up the VIP's.

Everybody wants our fliers. It's amazing. In the restaurant we went to afterward, everyone wanted one. People were crowded around us jotting down the addresses to go on-line. Yesterday I was at the trial of the anti-war Grannies who were arrested for blovking the sidewalk near the recruiting office at Times Square...when I went in I had to check some stuff, the police were so friendly...one even said, "I want your button and laughed." My button says, "Impeach Bush" Everyone wants one. I told her I could make money with that button. I could. People stop me all the time, "Where did you get that?" "I want that button."

The 911 truth folk were barred from the sidewalk in front of the theatre. We were not allowed to flier on that side. There was a "pen" facing the entrance, on the other side of the street (it's is a rather narrow street). A banner was held up reading "Stop the Media 911 Blackout," which of course was not understood by people who are immersed in the dominent paradigm - "'Media Blackout over 911?' What does that mean? What is that for?" Someone approached me, I believe a British reporter, who had that peculiar, for me, lack of understanding of the banner, and wondered if I was part of "that group." - (Because, BTW, I will not enter a pen, so I stood apart from the group.) He said, "That group says the government did it." "Well yes," I replied, "if you look closely at the data, you have to come to that conclusion." He jumped back and scampered across the street, fast, as though I had the plague.

There was a man there, who did not sign his name to the leaflet he was passing out, who stood toward the back of the line of people entering the theatre - (normally that would've been *my* territory - but hells, after I read his flier, I got freaked out. And chickened out of fliering right next to him. I think our fliers cancelled each other out when right next to each other.) (The whole setting and situation was freaking me out, anyway. Major Propaganda flick. How can they do this? Don't they think anyone is watching?) The man was a ringer for Robert de Niro, only taller and younger. Les speculated he was his brother. He looked so much like him, you couldn't believe he could be merely a nephew or son. And BTW, Robert de Niro is the founder of this film festival.

I obtained the man's sheet from him, but others couldn't because he wouldn't give it out to any of us, if he knew were were 911 Reality people. He wore a baseball cap and got bored, fairly quickly, of handing out his fliers - it seemed. And just hung around our group. Maybe he had people inside, handing them out there.

But really when people left, they were quite open to the fliers. So the Anti- influences couldn't have worked all that well. The security there didn't like to see that. It seemed I could feel them cringe at our, even minimal, success. I mean, a slip of paper will not compete with a blockbuster Hollywood movie. But many people did seem to want to speak to us. And didn't hate us. The man's fliers quoted, out of context, things he'd read about 911 Truth and he provided quotes made by random people off 911 blogs, and specificly, Dylan Avery. I guess he was reading Dylan's blog and knew that Dylan planned to be there, which he was. Dylan later said he confronted the man and said, "Here I am, right in front of you, why don't you tell me face to face what problem you have with me." Or somesuch. (Avery will probably tell the story better on his blog. I met him him later nearby and he impressed me as an highly intelligent man.) (But hells, what can you do? Dylan, as of now, made the definitive 911 documentary flick for our age. And for the fiction version of the story: "V for Vendetta" wins. So maybe this was Dylan's homage - getting picked-on at the opening of the NY film festival, which originated to bring the downtown back from 911 - at the opening of the first major Hollywood flick of 9/11, by a guy who looks like a relative of Robert de Niro! I guess they are jealous of his Underground success?! No surprise there! Avery's tells the most important story there is, for a New Yorker, for an American, for a human being alive in the world today with the Superpower, Imperial wannabe, U.S.A. Avery told the true story. What can you do? The true story, especially in this case, is just going to have so much more flavor. They wish they could buy that flavor and sell it back to you, without you knowing what it is.)

Everyone wanted a copy of the smear-job leaflet to see what hellacious crap it was, so I didn't get to keep one to bring home, but generously gave mine away. Therefore, I can't quote it to you. But if I could, you'd have a big shock and a laugh. The flier didn't address any points, but just smeared the 911 Truth movement - telling people to Beware! It told people they might be approached by us and might even be offered a copy of the terrible insulting movie "Loose Change," which was full of innaccuracies. It said no one in our group cared about the families - (never mind I, myself, lost a best friend, most outstanding person, to the very bottom of North Tower). It said these ideas were, surprisingly, spreading a lot and that they was especially popular among young men, and were being passed around in schools and on campuses and from off the Internet.

The "Beware" flavor reminds me of a song by Dana Lyons, "The T.V God":

"There are people who are laughing with a wink or a nod. There are people who are questioning our great T.V. God." [In a monster mash monster voice] "Be very careful.
Be careful be.
Be very careful,
keep tuned to your T.V.
There are phonies who are talking. There are wasters who read.
There are people here who do not even own a T.V.!
Everybody be Careful."

Anyway Dylan got plenty of footage of the person who was handing this out, and others got the man's pic too. Even I did, but it was a bad shot.

There were a lot of foreign journalists and many interviews with 911 Truth members. Many people I handed out leaflets to were exceptionally kind and sympathetic. We got no harrassment. (Except for the typical abrogation of our rights, by making us stand in a pen and limiting our access to the public, by the police. We couldn't flier the crowd, except as they approached or left the event, not as they stood in line, for the most part.

Nick L. made up an excellent flier for the occasion, which I will show if I can upload it. His flier would be a GREAT one for wherever the movie is shown - makes the point that the flick is, inappropiately, fiction and especially inappropiately, Entertainment masking as Truth. But very gently. And brings up why this is not a unifier for the majority of American people.

We had to be there. And be there we were. I think we were lucky and I had a lot of nice conversations with people on the street. It was a mild night for the most part, but did rain for a while, only after everyone entered the theatre. The news cameras interviewed a few people as they left, who were somewhat in tears. Everyone looked quite sad or at least subdued and pensive, quiet, upon leaving. Who I saw, with slight tears, were young women. But afterward, almost no one was averse to taking a flier, especially the tasteful and kind one Nick wrote - if approached with kindness and politeness. I wouldn't approach if it would seem like an intrusion. That was what I didn't like about the all men and boys of the group, in the pen, shouting to the crowd across the street. It just didn't seem effective. And maybe counter-productive.

But they felt the necessity to really protest it. And hells, how can I really blame them. Me, I always say "please" when I ask someone to take my flier and people appreciate that. I am not forcing it upon them. If they say "No," they do so with politeness and with an added "Thank you," because I have asked them with a "Please" and with gentleness.

My friend said the reaction might be different in a place outside of NYC. But here the reaction from the crowd who we *could* reach was very thoughtful and open. It was mostly like a showbiz type gala or celebrity fest - though I couldn't tell who were the celebrities. I wonder if Bloomberg went. I wonder how many conspirators went?

In NYC this tragedy brought people together and there may be some kind of remebrance of that, around this cinema event.

There's a very important documentary that will be shown again at our meeting which documents the amazing time after the attacks. It's made of footage from 12 di

There's a very important documentary that will be shown again at our meeting which documents the amazing time after the attacks. It's made of footage from 12 different people, who shot during the 7 or 10 days that followed. That film does relate to the truth of 911, only tangentially, but it importantly shows what things *can* be.

Now all we need to realize is that we don't have to have terror and war to get there.

" so it's ok to ignore 9/11 truth because he mentioned wtc 7?"

No, but when you are confronting somebody who is supposedly knew to the 9/11 truth, I personally think saying wtc7 omg look at squibs! is a fucking weak starter.

Look, there is some evidence of demolition, and there is evidence to the contrary. I for one, would like to start off with cold hard proven facts, not theories. And some people take wtc7 as a proven fact the demolitons were use. Which is just not true.

Sorry for the typos and mistakes above. Got tired of editing and have been writing this for hours. So just gave up, but should've polished more.

Apologies.

One major correction I *must* make:

"Tribeca Film Festival", not, "NY Film Festival."

Tribeca Film festival was born from the dust of 911, downtown.

WTC 7 is in my opinion the largest smoking gun. I showed it collapsing to my cousin who is a very pro bush engineer student at UCSD and he's starting to do some research.

man who cares, profreading is wayy over-rated! Just look at my post and you'll see..

:(

I just posted a bunch of stuff at

http://forums.craigslist.org/?forumID=51
I don't know their rules, but could my account be closed and those posts deleted? (I don't care to spend/waste my time checking their rules... LOL)

Feel free to reply to my posts with more truth

Good report Carter. Looks like I may have to do the same Fri. when the movie opens to the general public. What flier is that? There is one you can find by going to http://www.911truth.org If you try to hand out fliers in a mall, you will probably be asked to leave (from my Fahrenheit 9/11 experience) although, they may have a designated area. I'd look for a theatre where they're lining up on the street.

These are two I found on-line. Some in my group didn't approve of the two-sided one. Some of the info they disagreed with.

http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/flight93/index.html
http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pdf%20files/flight93.pdf

I can't get the .pdf or word of Nick's at the moment, since he's asleep, I'm sure. I just saw the flier for the first time today, or would've made more myself and had the file. I think it's the best one for this movie - especially for the mood *after*.

Either time is good though. Before or after the movie. In a multiplex you can always be discreet and just approach people semi-privately and say, "Would you take my flier, please?" I could see actually attending the movie and handing them out or passing them out in there.

Sometimes I can't get going and my friend breaks the ice, since she's so sure of herself and friendly and committed. It's really an art. Doing this a lot is really almost like holding a focus group. You get to take the pulse of the public. As time has gone on, either I have gotten better at it or the temper of the crowds have changed.

Everyone here seems to either say, "I wouldn't be surprised." or "*I knew it* from the start" or grab it and just be interested in it. Many people here often have their own stories of things they witnessed or noticed about it that didn't ring true. So I'm learning, often, from direct witnesses I run into.

I met a computer programmer from out of town tonight (Little Rock) who knew nothing about it - he was quite smart though, and serious. We both laughed when he said, "Well I get my news from television." He was very open and interested/curious, but sort of mentioned that I was probably considered nuts......or one would be, with such a viewpoint.

New Yorkers have stopped saying that. Maybe they are less inclined to say something like that, anyway. Some have told me New Yorkers are more tolerant of diversity. But honestly, some of the most open people, I've met and talked to about it, are from the Midwest/Middle America.

Many New Yorkers might think they already know everything. While the tourists I've met can sometimes be especially interested and respectful to hear about it.

The only good result, of the research and thinking I do on this, is in how I can talk to people about it. I don't write about it, but I feel the more I know and think about it, the better able I am to answer people's questions and engage with them.

NIck's flier starts out:

Many people are objecting to
"UNITED 93"...

I will upload it somehow and post on this 911blogger comments section....not this thread but in several threads maybe so you can find it.

It's supposed to be posted at 911truth.org/u93
but I can't find it there.

Best,
P. Carter

Im glad the 9/11 truthers were out at the Tribeca film festival...I believe theres even a 9/11 truth doc premiering there.

I just worry if some of the 9/11 truthers might also be inadverting spreading inaccurate or false info.

If I was making fliers, I'd put the absolutely provable "questions". Leave no room for argument. When it comes to tower-pentagon-flight 93 theories, they have anomalous 'arguments, but nothing is solid. the real proof in the complicit pudding is the foreknowlege, war games, pakistani funding, FBI handicapping, CIA caretaking, standdown orders, etc.

Im looking foward to the debate between Jon Gold and the admin of 911myths.com.

This article about Martin Luther King's Speech should be sent to Oprah in the existing effort to get her to talk about 9/11, don't you think?

Question to all:

Why does no one mention that Air Traffic Control tape where Flight 93 briefly made contact with Cleveland ?

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/flight93-air-traffic.htm

United 93 United 93 do you hear Cleveland Center?
Do you see, uh, any activity on your right side, smoke or anything like that?
Negative we're searching.
Yeah we do have a smoke puff at about, uh, probably 2 o'clock. it appears to be a dark cloud like a puff of black smoke.

What's up! I think there's something wrong with Dz's host of the mp3 cus it only goes up to like 14mins, on my pc at least. The full speech is something like 54mins long.

Here's the mp3 link;

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clips/politicalspeeches/mlkagainstvie...

I first found this on janedoe's site, about halfway down the page;

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/

" Im looking foward to the debate between Jon Gold and the admin of 911myths.com."

So far, he has declined.

How you can sully the words of MLK with 9/11 conspiracy nonsense AND mix in that creep Charlie Sheen is beyond words....

Yea the mp3 definitely needs fixing it's a 2.45mb file, when it should be a 10mb. SBG DZ, if you get a chance guys could you sort it?

And Terrence, of course it's "beyond words" to you, anything that doesnÂ’t involve farting or looking for treasure with Philip is "beyond words" as far as your concerned.

Your heros, terence, the rascist Military-Industrial-Intelligence Complex, the people you stand up for, are the people who killed MLK and covered it up and cover it up to this day.

So I'm sure the spirit of MLK loves you to promote lies about the events of September 11th. As well as invoke his name as though he'd be on your side. Every black person I run into *knows* about 9/11, terence. For some reason they are way hipper, in general, than the people of more European extraction. 99% see through George Bush, and great numbers I have met knew the election was directly stolen, from their group in particular, since year 2000.

You remind me of the people who invoke the name of Christ, but who Christ wouldn't want to be seen [dead] with. MLK doesn't want you invoking his name, terence, to taunt us.

The likes of you terence, the people you stand up for, were who killed him.

good report, Carter. better than I could have described.