Alphonse, your top post seems phony to me. There is far more to Dr. Jones than you deliberately misrepresented to everyone here, & Rick Siegel recorded some amazing video & audio.

Strategy in Chicago Running Out of Time

The Strategy Track at the 9/11 Revealing The Truth Conference in Chicago on Saturday has yet to provide a syllable of strategy at any of the sessions I have attended. It is difficult to fully convey my disappointment and sadness about this situation.

It will surprise no one that Dr. Steven Jones was able to provide a well thought out strategic plan as a keynote speaker Friday night. His plan includes truth, caring for others, resolve, and resourcefulness in addition to stockpiling food, water, and solar oven cooking. Oh yes, don't forget to procure a pocket knife.

Rick Siegel showed his new version of 9/11 Eyewitness. It was excellent again. Until he started talking about nuclear detonations at the twin towers without any supporting evidence. WTF? Perhaps he is trying to prod Dr. Jones into even more spectacular research tests at BYU.

Re: Strategy

I think the movement needs to begin focusing on the Chairmen and CEO's of corporations like Cubic (NYSE: CUB). They were running the TOPOFF3 drills during May: http://www.cubic.com/corp1/news/pr/2006/Cubic_AMTI_homeland_security_new...

Very often the terror drills are not run exclusively by DHS, but include private firms which lead us into the hydra of the real shadow government.

What about BoozAllenHamilton, where oft-mentioned suspect Dov Zakheim now works?

Also at BoozAllenHamilton is Keith Hall, the NRO Chief who helped engineer drills of planes crashing into NRO headquarters. Superspook James Woolsey, the former CIA Chief, also works there.

I think it may help to investigate the Titan Corporation, L-3 Communications, Raytheon, Northrup-Grumman, CACI and Dyncorp.

And what about NSA firms like SAIC, Computer Sciences, Logicon, and Conquest Inc. which basically now own the agency, design the software, and direct policy? Shouldn't we investigate who ran the NSA Trailblazer and ThinThread updates to the Echelon network?

The Cheney neocon network of moles, men from Dale Watson and Dave Frasca to Stephen Cambone and Michael Hayden are important to hold accountable for wars crimes. But maybe the whistleblowers need to come from private industry, rather than government.

And we need to stop with the old "CIA did it" line, which is simply an outdated 1980's conspiracy relic. The CIA is no friend of freedom, but we need to focus on the NRO and NSA which really own the intel world. And what about James R. Clapper at the NGA?

This is bigger than Cheney. How about we put the pressure on the right points?

-Wyndham

goddamn i wish i was there.

Thanks for sharing guys.
peace,pw

Anyone there talking about Israel's role in the attacks - or is everyone too scured to mention it?

Thank you for sharing these early photos!

Do you see the Tarpley resolution?

http://www.total911.info

IÂ’m starting to lean away from the theory that the commercial airliners were flown by remote control or autopilot. It seems very risky as much could go wrong:

-A chance the crew could somehow override the system & regain control, & land or crash elsewhere.

-A chance the crewÂ’s radios or emergency radios would be operable & pilots/crew would report being flown automatically.

-A chance that airphones or some other communications device could be used to report that they were being flown that way.

It wouldÂ’ve been far less risky for the perpetrators to over-fly & swap aircraft that had been adapted at secret military bases. Such aircraft could have even been TESTED before being meticulously programmed to hit their targets that day. (Much more difficult to modify commercial airliners that are in service.)

Also, the perceived necessity for all those invented DNA results are further proof that there were no passengers on the planes that struck the targets that day.

Using any pretext, merely radio the real flights to land at some military airfield or some controlled section of any airport (e.g., Stewart Airport in NY)

cormorant, you are seriously behind the times. You just presented more proven myths.

Anonymous, you are making an even more complicated plot.

The planes were hijacked. There were passengers. They did fly into buildings.

It's less complicated than explaining how caveman Osama & his 19 flunkies defeated NORAD, CIA, FBI, FAA, etc.

fyi, there are/were ppl from the ny times here. kind of ironic they go to chicago to cover what's in their own back yard.

got great new stuff from kevin ryan, and video of the keynote speaches and the few others we recorded - expect those tommorrow night.

also. the 911blogger shirts are on the left panel of the main page for the person who asked.

Even TSA must know the "offical story" is total b.s.

Since last August, they've allowed sharp objects back onto planes because "cockpit doors have been reinforced."

For Christ's sake, sharp objects were the "hijackers" whole modus operandi that day!!!

So those doors are never opened for the pilots to get food or drink, or to go take a piss or shit??? GTFOOH

You actually haven't presented anything that meets the standard of evidence acceptable to anyone.

Since you're doing the exact same thing, how can that bother you?

The planes were hijacked. There were passengers. They did fly into buildings.

Even if this were true, how does that eliminate any government involvement in the 911 attacks? 911poller, in your next post, say something useful about the various military exercises held that morning. Or the 40 minute paralysis of the secret service. Or about the terminated FBI investigations. Or about the insider trading. Or Mineta's testimony. Or..

just shut up

DAnne Burley last night.

Anyone catch this, or post about it yet? Good show.

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Burley06.html

Heh, that's great.

A new BYOB (Bring Your Own Boxcutter) policy on commercial airlines... oy the nerve of these fucks.

What interests me are these two articles...

Pilots were allowed to carry guns on planes for 40 years up until 2 months until 9-11.

And then the fact that In 2002 the House of Reps votes to allow pilots to carry guns.

Heh, sure makes them strong on defense to pass this law in this political atmosphere.

This quote is great, from Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska: "Do you really think that 9-11 would have happened if our pilots had been armed, as they should have been armed?"

I don't really know if armed pilots wouldn't just shoot holes in the fuselage, but it was standing policy (to allow firearms) on civilian aircraft for four decades.

It's also interesting that the shoot down authorization policy was changed in the summer of 2001 as well. [I read this a while ago, anyone have a good source?]

So, as much as I'd like to believe it was just 19 terrorists... I have seen damning evidence that the investigating agencies (FBI) were disallowed from tracking or interfering with Al Qaeda. This would lead me to believe that there could be just a few traitors in the FBI who allowed these attacks to occur.

But seeing two laws changed months before the attacks that:

1) Made shoot-down authorization a more cumbersome process, involving approval by Rumsfeld himself.

and

2) Disallowed a standing tradition to allow pilots to carry sidearms.

Leads me to believe that there could be corruption and traitorous activity in the highest levels of government.

I'm sure you're all with me with this but there are many angles that need covering including: controlled demolition, wtc7, 9/11 commission and the coverup, able danger + john o'neill type shit, what did bush, cheney, rumsfeld, et al know and when did they know it, warning signs ignored before the attack, changes in longstanding policy that weakened america's defenses and cui bono, a decisive compilation of all that has been allowed to happen in 911's name and also the people it enriched.

Damn, that looks like a pretty complete picture to me. Theres evidence of all this stuff too. That's a helluva lotta coincidences!!!

9/11Troller is a typical shill who annoyingly takes the opposite side of any good point made by a truther. Chumps like him are best ignored.

S9/11T's David Hawkins: The Forensics On The 9/11 Flights into the WTC, Pentagon and Flight 93 (Archived MP3s)
http://valis.gnn.tv/B15833

Drew M--You listed some highly amazing (i.e., extremely suspecious indeed) coincidences surronding 9/11!!!

Anyone know any other sites covering this conference?

Drew M:

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Secretary of Defense must approve Shoot Downs...

May 2001 Cheney is put in charge of Wargames...

Solid gold, DHS.

To Dick Cheney (and all the other 9/11 perps and their accomplices who are becoming frightened as the big-lie-destroying evidence gradually becomes more widely known, and the govtmedia's physically-impossible web of lies-predicated-upon-lies cover story crumbles):

Please post under your own name rather than as "Andy White", lest you blow his cover, and people here begin to recognize "Andy" as some kind of divisive, marginalizing, narrow-disagreement-with-TBL, limited-hangout disinfo type:

TheBigLie__________--LimitedHangout______________________________-//____________________--FullDisclosure

Also, please inform Dr. Steven Jones that he is under no obligation whatsoever to cover up the fact that the presence of so many ultra-fine particles amidst the very special WTC superdust are not the result of "pulverization", and are indicative of exposure to temperatures far in excess of what thermite (or any other conventional/chemical reaction) can achieve.

______________________________________

Re: comments by Wyndham Earl: I agree that those are corporations/people of great interest to the mass-murder investigation, but I'm at a loss to see what good it does for those of us without subpoena power to "begin focusing on the Chairmen and CEO's of corporations", or what kind of "pressure" we can bring to bear on them. Please elaborate...
_______________________________________

Another reason I believe that various drones were utilized to hit the targets on 9/11 are the bluescreen/hologram disinfo artists. They keep claiming that cartoons hit the towers, so truthers naturally respond that they were real planes--but this ploy leads us to promote the myth that they were indeed AA77 & UA175. (Of course, the real planes need not have been AA77 & UA175 at all.)

blimp: wtf was that?

i think blimp is hinting towards "mininukes"

I bet if I said the Bush regime displayed criminal negligence and incompetence, 911poller would say I was lying.

I bet if I said Bush lied about Iraq, he'd say I was lying. Unbelievable.

911poller and other people who think were misinformed: PLEASE explain your take on the FBI being told to back off Osama and al Qaeda as soon as the neocons took office in jan 2001.

pockybot:

perhaps a visual aid will benefit them:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BhE9yfkRAX0&search=fairy%20tale%20from%20hell

Go to http://www2.talksport.net/index.asp

Dave Von Kliest is on talking to George Galloway about 9/11.

Click on listen live at the top left of page.

DHS:

...and music for effect
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/JONBallad.mp3

DHS, that "Fairy Tale from Hell Part 12" short video you linked^ is outstanding! (Jon Gold would love it, if he hasn't seen it already.)

"I bet if I said the Bush regime displayed criminal negligence and incompetence, 911poller would say I was lying."

This is a good point. For the people who refuse to beleive in government complicity, that requires that the current administration at the very least is guitly of criminal negligence.

Thanks for the great pictures guys. Give us a full update when it is over. It looked like a good size group. Any new truthers? Don't worry about 9/11Troller. His day will come.

Is it just me, or are others here a little tired of the plethora of Anonymous posters or ones with spooky sounding names like 911Poller?

What on earth does that name mean? Which particular poll do you refer to?

CNN?

Zogby?

I request that we remove the links for these websites under the 9/11 Related Sites

911blimp.net

and

team8plus.org
Andy White | Homepage | 06.04.06 - 3:50 am | #
and again i second that.

Signal to Noise Ratio in Chicago

Time is a tyrant and I had to leave the Chicago conference before it's conclusion.

I did attend the Webster Tarpley talk. Friends, it's all about the stories. Webster Tarpley proves that you -can- make it up. I picture him looking out the window and that stream of consciousness shiitake is the result.

He is submitting a Resolution to the Conference which has six excellent action points. Very, very good.

It also contains 1-1/3 pages of bombast manifesto which is just awful. Get this man an editor. No, a really good editor. No, no, a ruthless editor.

It is interesting to note that neither 911Truth.org or MUJCA are listed as sponsors for his Resolution.

Morgan Reynolds and Ken Jenkins are not only truth seekers, but truth tellers as well. They honestly titled their talk “Conjecture and Theory.” It was a very entertaining presentation. Really nice job, guys.

Speaking of that, I enjoyed meeting many people at the conference. I asked them “What really happened,” and
you won't be surprised to learn that there was an enormous amount of really insane hogwash answers. Let's face
it, you and I together don't know what really happened. One man, and only one man said, “I don't know.” He then proceeded to tell me all about it long enough for me to miss a chance at a chair for the next presentation I wanted to attend. Bless his heart.

Conference highlight: I shook hands with Dr. Steven Jones and thanked him for all he was doing and said God bless. I pray for this man everyday and would encourage you to pray for him daily and support him in every and any way you can. His work is the most important contribution the 9/11 truth movement we are likely to ever see.

Some random observations:

Friday was a young crowd and a late night. Saturday was packed and there was a really significant number of retired-age attendees. Something to think about. Sunday the truth seeking babes finally appeared on the day I had to leave early. Believe me, it was nice to see some good looking women to counter some of the quasi-creepy guys around.

Most people were cool, but make no mistake there were creeptoids about. Check out the idiot wearing a flag cape and Dr. Suess hat if there are pictures. He makes me want to believe the 9/11 Commission Report. Why can't the 9/11 truth movement have a death squad? I'm only kidding. I know you don't believe me.

There were some technical glitches usually associated with Power Point presentations during the conference. I thought there were some in the crowd who were rude, intolerant, and, well really, to be blunt, assholes about it. Everyone is doing the best they can. People are volunteering to make things happen and a really high level of tolerance should be demanded. Maybe next time.

There was an enormous amount of faith-based truisms about 9/11. This was not a Christian thing but rather a 9/11 mantra.

I asked around about FBI agents in attendance, but did not meet or hear of any.

So What Can We Do?

-See things in gray-scale.

Admittedly, this could be problematic for you. Really, really try. Try harder, much harder. No, seriously, don't go yes/no, black and white on us. Leave room for the facts.

-Trust your instinct and don't falter, waver, or stop.

-Follow and support Dr. Jones and his systematic, scientific march to the truth.

Let the big shiitake talkers like Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley walk. Demand facts. Respect facts.

-Elect Dr. Steven Jones as President.

I thought you wanted to do something. I thought you wanted to make a change. I thought you wanted to make a difference. I thought you you loved your county. Fine. Elect Dr. Steven Jones as President.

-Failing that, go door-to-door to support any (really, freaking any) Democratic candidate running for the house. A Democratic house majority can stop all kinds of mischief. Don't believe that there is no difference between American political parties. Elect a Democratic house and sit back and enjoy. Second best option is to support a 9/11 truth candidate.

These are my observations and comments about the Chicago 9/11 conference that I attended.

If they hurt your feelings you may suck, and that is sad. I expect you to be better than me. Since you were not there, I invite you to tell me all about it.

Best Regards,

Alphonse Schilling

Andy and Chris,

the stuff you are opposing and reject is at
911closeup.com or
911tvfakery.blogspot.com, not at t8+

what has team8plus.org to do with your hostile attitude??

Furthermore, as mentioned above,
team8plus did exactly do what one reader
suggested above:
looking more into the private military contractors regarding 9/11 and generell.

You live in San Diego and you weren't even able to provide me with a simple answer: How far is SAIC HQ from City Hall?

The shame is on you and your lousy censorship attitude.
But what else to expect from a lousy 9/11 truthling?

...and since you spoke for your friend Jonthan Gold, who was too coward to respond by himself at 911 truth sandiego, here is the revealing limited hangout stuff again, for everyone else to see to have an own opinion about this AD nonsense.

Don't ever call this trolling.
This has nothing to do with it.
It's limiting BS and orwellian doublespeakers like you and the 9/11 truth consultants from Chicago.

ndy,

why are you speaking for Jon Gold?
And is this a censorship or ban warning? (very
popular among truthlings)

Gold should explain for us HERE, why Able Danger and
Keith Phucas are so important for this 'movement' AND
9/11 and why THIS association WITH HIM is not
divisive?
what Jon Gold is treasonous.
He confirmed that he hooked up and met with a spook
and insider,
pushing the Able Danger limited hangout, which is
wasting everyone's time and deceiving more 9/11
truthlings including newbies:

http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?800.80

"Perception Management" -Pt.1

(Photo: Daniel Pipes)

Daniel Pipes- the mastermind behind the Able Danger
limited hangout script?

(*thx to Alex Constantine for this finding)

Wikipedia:
"The existence of Able Danger, and its
purported early identification of the 9/11 terrorists,
was FIRST DISCLOSED publicly on June 19, 2005 in an
article 'Missed chance on way to 9/11' by KEITH PHUCAS
(kphucas @timesherald.com ),
a reporter for The TIMES HERALD, a Norristown,
Pennsylvania daily newspaper."

The head of Mr. Phucas on a platter:

Keith Phucas Letter
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/3833

.....

Neocon journalist deceives '9/11 truthling':
Keith Phucas From The Times Herald Interviews Jon Gold
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10110
Friday, May 12, 2006
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/phucasgold911.mp3

More on Keith Phucas
(*thx to Alex Constantine)

"No doubt, high technology will continue to play a key
role in the nation's security and its new war." -
Keith Phucas
http://tinyurl.com/mxbd8 (zwire.com)
High spies
KEITH PHUCAS, Times Herald Staff 10/01/2001

[Back in June, Edward Reese sat in his Lockheed Martin
office in King of Prussia reminiscing in broad terms
about how his pioneering work on a large computer
system for a classified satellite program had helped
keep the Soviet Union in check during the Cold War.

In order to keep the nation safe from the Soviet
threat, it had been crucial for the United States
government to keep an eye on Russia's fighting
capability from space. The U.S. intelligence agencies
had to stay a step ahead of the U.S.'s communist
nemesis.

"You don't want to be surprised," Reese said. "You
don't want another Pearl Harbor."

Little did he know how prophetic his remarks would
become a few months later.

On Sept. 11, the terrorist hijackings of four
commercial jet airliners - since dubbed this
generation's Pearl Harbor - destroyed the World Trade
Center towers in New York City, heavily damaged the
Pentagon outside Washington and killed more than 6,000
people at last count...

http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?800.70

Final evidence, that Curt Weldon is a limited
hangouter and not credible, just pushing the 9/11
"plotline" and official myth on war on terror and
'al-quaeda':

Shaffer's written testimony
Wednesday, February 15, 2006
http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006/02/shaffers-written-testimony-is-must...
http://www.house.gov/hasc/schedules/2-15-06ShafferTestimony.pdf

"...If we are to win this war on terrorism, and hope
to preclude the next 9-11 type attack - an attack that
many experts fear wil be one that utilizes a weapon of
mass destruction such as chemical, biological or
nuclear - it is my judgment that we must examine and
make sure that the bureaucratic and policy problems
that hobbled ABLE DANGER effort have been fixed.

......

Krieger & Zaid also support the James Madison Project,
yet another CIA front, specialized in absurde
unclassification lawsuits, f.i. to uncover the
"Detection of German Secret Ink" (1917) and other
similar cases.

http://www.jamesmadisonproject.org/boardofdirectors.html
One of the board members is Patrick G. Eddington, an
award-winning analyst at the CIA's National
Photographic Interpretation Center for almost nine
years.
He also was coordinating the CIA's military targeting
support to NATO during Operation Deliberate Force in
Bosnia in 1995.

++++

Mark S. Zaid -biggest disinfo attorney since 9/11?

Able Danger -limited hangout also merged with Sibel
Edmonds/Daniel Ellsberg distraction

-another final thought on new mass mails regarding the
latest development of the 'able danger' hearings,
meanwhile also merged into the Zacarias Moussaoui
trial, since Curt Weldon, a Sun Myung Moon associate,
http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/2004/06/weldon-khadafy-and-moongate.html
was invited to testify over there.

IcedInk: Why don't you send Mr. Grove an e-mail? His e-mail address is provided in the transcript.

Wyndham: I agree, and your line of thought fits into the Grove material, and my own experience in the field of emergency management. A number of people are becoming much more curious and aware of the nature of "Homeland Security" preparations, exercises, thinking, etc. as they pertain to a range of things. It seems clear to me that much of what is being done has less to do with actual preparations and planning as it does with detecting weaknesses in the system and ways in which they can be manipulated.

Thanks to all who wrote encouraging comments about my new Kos diary, and/or participated in voting, etc.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/2/81113/16175

The poll result was very positive, with 87 percent saying that 9/11 open questions and election fraud should be freely discussed on DailyKos. Only 4 percent thought neither should be openly discussed there, and 7 percent thought that only vote fraud should be openly discussed.

Some comments in the comments section were also very encouraging, such as this:

[new] Ghandi Corollary (2+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
free speach 07, bigbrassones

The treatment you are getting here for this diary is disturbingly
reminiscent of the early days of vote fraud diaries.

The same unfair ridicule, the same conclusory statements about what is
the 'truth', and the same repeated incantation of the 'extrodinary
proof' aphorism - as if it's some sort of magic spell that
automatically dissolves all doubts about the official line.

And of course, just like the vote fraud diaries, when all else fails
there is always the fall back appeal to 'the rules'.

But here's the kicker: rules change. Kos, to his immense credit, has
always shown a willingness (perhaps sometimes belatedly) to revise
rules when enough of us speak out maturely and responsibly - as you
have with this diary.

The propensity for a change in attitude is best shown in the comments
of your critics. 19 months later after the first vote fraud diary, no
one here is calling you a loon or saying you'll be banned for your
mention for voting irregularities - only for your 9/11 stance. That
fact, along with the results of your poll (so studiously avoided by
your critics) should give you heart that things do change around here
- despite the unfortunate ridicule and vitriol you have been receiving
for your forthright stance here today.

So take heart Vesa. To paraphrase Ghandi:

First they call you crazy.
Then they try to ban you.
Then you win.

Knowledge is the Past. Wisdom is the Future."

Kennedy may complain about vote fraud. However, he is not likely to admit the entire system, Democrat and Republican, is but a one party system essentially representing the same corporate plutocratic financial interests. “We only have one political party in the U.S., and that is the property party, which essentially is corporate America, which has two right wings, one called Republican and one called Democrat,” Gore Vidal told USA Today in 2003. Vidal takes this formulation from Ferdinand Lundberg.

Chris and Andy, in defense of team8...Nico may be the craziest person walking this planet, but the John Doe guy over there has done some freakishly amazing work, especially on the hijackers and their doubles.
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewforum.php?23

For the eyewitness junkies, I found this thread over at DU about Marriott Hotel survivors. Apparently, one or two guys say they never saw planes, but most did.
http://www.sept11marriottsurvivors.org/survivors_stories.php
Here is the DU summary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

Carn, the whole point of WTC 7 is that the FDNY couldn't go in and wire up that building for demolition because it was being evacuated that day. It had to be wired up or whatever ahead of time.

Al C.--Carn, the whole point of WTC 7 is that the FDNY couldn't go in and wire up that building for demolition because it was being evacuated that day. It had to be wired up or whatever ahead of time.

Yes, I believe it takes weeks or months of planning & rigging of the explosives in any massive building. To have WTC-7 ready to go indicates advanced foreknowledge & planning for 9/11. Furthermore, as far as I know, NYC firefighters don't implode buildings/skyscrapers.

I'm back... :)

Welcome back, Jon! How about a few remarks, impressions, comments, etc.???

Hold...

Check this bullshit out.
Saw it on Rense.com...confirmed it on the internet.

On February 14, 2006, Congressman Charles Rangel (Democrat - NY) introduced a bill (Universal National Service Act of 2006 - HR 4752 IH) aiming at drafting everyone - men and women alike - from the ages of 18 to 42 into the military for a minimum period of 2 years.

Or to quote the bill: "To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."

The House is to convene on June 6 (06/06/06] to debate and possibly adopt this bill, that is, unless a vast public outcry succeeds in derailing this insanity, which you can do by writing a letter of protest to your congress person through

http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm or http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html

Phone calls are even better. The numbers of all US Representatives are at:

http://clerk.house.gov/members/index.html

If you question the validity of this bill, go to:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4752

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752

"Even if this were true, how does that eliminate any government involvement in the 911 attacks?911poller, in your next post, say something useful about the various military exercises held that morning. Or the 40 minute paralysis of the secret service. Or about the terminated FBI investigations. Or about the insider trading. Or Mineta's testimony. Or.."

Or why don't you provide some evidence for a change?

"just shut up"

Facing reality is tough for you, zuco. Wake up.

Heads-up. I just started listening to Webster Tarpleys Saturday radio program. He is broadcrasting from Chicago with info on the event. If your hungry for details on the conference its in the archive at rbnlive.com. His program is called World Crisis Radio. He says about 700 people attended.

"...but this ploy leads us to promote the myth that they were indeed AA77 & UA175. (Of course, the real planes need not have been AA77 & UA175 at all.)"

Are you having a hard time admitting that they were actuall UA 175 and AA 77?

" I bet if I said the Bush regime displayed criminal negligence and incompetence, 911poller would say I was lying."

I'd say you need to provide credible evidence instead of your usual speculation. Just like I always do.

I just can't understand why you won't.

"For the people who refuse to beleive in government complicity, ..."

We still wait patierntly for credible evidence and wonder why you can't provide any.

911Troller, simply provide the NTSB documents that without a doubt identifies the traceable parts for those aircraft in question and then you will have hundreds if not thousands of people saying they were wrong.

Until you can produce these documents, you are in no position to state that you know what happened and that those planes were in fact the planes in question.

If you have those documents, why not share them with the rest of the world?

" Friends, it's all about the stories. Webster Tarpley proves that you -can- make it up."

Yes, he and rest of those speakers are good at that.

"I shook hands with Dr. Steven Jones and thanked him for all he was doing and said God bless. I pray for this man everyday and would encourage you to pray for him daily and support him in every and any way you can. His work is the most important contribution the 9/11 truth movement we are likely to ever see."

So you fell for it and never even bothered to question him and his assertions.

You need to open your eyes.

"Nico, shut the fuck up you annoying son of a bitch. keep pushing hologram fairy tale bullshit while we all laugh at you. you are the opposite of a patriot you devisive fuck."

And you don't bother to say that to those who question if AA 77 hit the Pentagon and UA 175? Don't you see that you are all makiing the Nicos of this world possible?

Open you eyes to reality, son.

Other Anonymous--I think you may have missed the point in Rangel's "draft" legislation. I think he wanted to show that not only poor people should die in our murderous invasions of foreign countries. He wants no deferments for those having a rich or well-connected daddy, nor if you go BA, MBA, PhD in the Ivy League for 12 years. (I don't know if Rangel got his message accross.)

911Troller, you're helping make it possible for the murderers behind 9/11 get away with their atrocity.

"It's often interpreted to mean that they should bring the building down through controlled demolition. It does sound like that, but does that mean that we are to believe that FDNY was complicit in the attacks?

"In order for them to pull the building they would have had to know the explosives were there and know how to set them off."

Silverstein never once meant "pull the building down" but it's a necessary part of the "official 9/11 conspiracy theory" that anything that can be misused to promote the desired "controlled demolition" conclusion will be.

The Silverstein quote was shown conclusibely years ago not to mean "pull down the building" but to "pull the firefighting effort" out of WTC 7.

"Niko, please take my good advise and seek some distance for a while.

"Your on it a long time, your efforts are brave and everytime welcome,..."

Thence you make Nico possible.

Do these folks multiply in the dark? No, they only want us to think there are a lot of them. Is there a secret cloning shop located underground? Yes, it's the same one that faxes out "talking points" to the press so they can make up the night's broadcast. Or, as was pointed out by the sinister characters at the time of the Warren Commission, the American people don't read.

"carn, In my opinion, Silverstein got caught by surprise on a PBS documentary and said far too much. He said that he & the fire chief "made the decision to pull", thus indicating prior knowledge of 9/11, as it takes weeks to prepare a building like that for demolition."

You're entitlted to your opinion but not your facts. It is quite clear Silverstein never said nor meant "pull the building down." Why would you think otherwise?

Hey Troller, 3 indestructable black boxes couldn't be found at WTC, but numerous passangers DNA was found & identified.

Let's run that again. 3 indestructable black boxes couldn't be found at WTC, but one of the "hijackers" passports floated to the ground where it was magically found by law enforcement.

That is some serious bullshit!

"Anyone know of a good forum? This sucks."

There are many good ones that deal with facts, truth, and reality.

Here are two good forums where conpiracy theories are dealt fatal blows daily with reason, logic, and scientific knowledge:

http://www.bautforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

http://forums.randi.org/

"Carn, the whole point of WTC 7 is that the FDNY couldn't go in and wire up that building for demolition because it was being evacuated that day. It had to be wired up or whatever ahead of time."

Yet, we still wait for the evidence and it never comes.

"Until you can produce these documents, you are in no position to state that you know what happened and that those planes were in fact the planes in question."

You would have us ignore the evidence, RemoveBush? Why would anyone want to ignore all the other evidence?

Here's your hero, Larry "pull-it" Silverstein on video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329&q=larry+sil...

"Let's run that again. 3 indestructable black boxes couldn't be found at WTC, but one of the "hijackers" passports floated to the ground where it was magically found by law enforcement."

Come again? You're saying there is no evidence that three hijacked passenger jets each hit buildings?

"Here's your hero, Larry "pull-it" Silverstein on video."

You're way behind the times. Everyone heard what he said years ago. But he never said "pull the buildings down" nor meant any such thing.

That's a fact.

Troller, there is no EVIDENCE that the planes we are told were in fact the planes.

Provide ONE bit of proof! Not just your half witted thought of what the government says is so, but some actual facts.

How about those 3 black boxes that were recovered at ground zero, but the government continues to claim that they don't exist????

How about the fact that a passport is stronger than anything in this world??? The fact that it can survive crashing through a building, a fire, and land on the ground in almost prestine condition.

Cumon Troller, provide some proof that this is even possible. Since you seem to have ALL THE ANSWERS you can surely answer this simple little question. If you can't or don't answer it, then you need to shut the hell up.

If anyone here has any authority to ban Troller, I would recommend it if he can't answer the simple question above.

This bozo is wasting air and needs to be gone if he fails to answer.

"Come again? You're saying there is no evidence that three hijacked passenger jets each hit buildings?
911Poller | 06.04.06 - 9:55 pm | "

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

Show me the manifest that lists these hijackers!!!!!!

Show me the NTSB documents with the traceable parts for these planes.

Until you can do either of these the answer will ALWAYS BE YES!!!!!

Look, Pollhole. See these people hanging outside one of the Towers.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-people-hanging-photo5-5d-ri...
I take it none of them are you or your family, asshole.

They did not deserve that because Bush/Cheney/Rummy/NeoCons wanted to make themselves & their rich friends richer by ransacking the Middle-East.

So don't come here to deliberately take the opposite side of every sincere comment a truther makes in trying to hold those mass murderers accountable.

If anyone saw Improbable Collapse this weekend in Chicago Id like a review. I know you guys are busy rite now.

Can anyone shrink this image for me, and email it to Gold9472@comcast.net

I'm still working without Photoshop, and it SUCKS.

Thank you in advance.

http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/911chicago.JPG

So what did Larry mean to pull by that? His dick?

"So what did Larry mean to pull by that? His dick?
Anonymous | 06.04.06 - 10:07 pm |"

I'm with ya Anonymous.....

Is that why when the firemen were talking about WTC6, they said (Paraphrasing) "when we pulled WTC6 we had to be careful not to damage the slurry walls."

I guess the fireman was concerned about pulling out all the fireman from WTC6 so the slurry wall would not collapse on them?

I mean jerkoffs like Pollhole come to an emotionally charged blog for no purpose other than to endlessly talk out of their asses & bust everyone's balls. It's extremely annoying, to say the least.

"Moreover, the way he says it has a little extra spin on it -- he should have been waggling two pairs of fingers in the air to make the "quotation mark" gesture, from the way it sounds to me."

This is an important point. It wasn't just the words but the emphasis. He knew exactly what he was saying. He clearly meant to say pull "it."

How did we get from a movement started from 9/11 families, survivors and FBI agents speaking out to idiots saying no planes hit the towers? This is exactly the kind of thing the media and common joe loves to hear so they can say "see, look at the tinfoils!"

pockybot | 06.04.06 - 11:16 pm | #

Good point.

i believe that wtc7 was simply overcome with grief at the loss of it's two companions.
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he said pull it. is that or is that not a common term in the controlled demo industry? he's not a fool and if he meant firefighters then he would've said pull them. it's pointless to argue about it here because even were he to say tomorrow we blew it up, the media would either not report it or distract from it and the entire thing would still be relegated to the back pages of blogs.

"it's pointless to argue about it here because even were he to say tomorrow we blew it up, the media would either not report it or distract from it and the entire thing would still be relegated to the back pages of blogs."

Bush could say he blew up the buildings himself and the media still wouldn't report it. Sadly, I'm not exaggerating in the least.

"The thing I do feel quite confident about, however, is that "pull it" did not mean "pull the firefighters out." Apart from the point that gets made over and over that the firefighters were *already* out at that point, I simply do not believe that a native speaker of English would say "pull it" when he meant pull out or pull back."

The comment was made months later in a PBS Docuementary and "pull" is a common firefighter term for "pulling the firefighter effort." There is plenty of documentation of its use by firemen describing the events around WTC 7 that day.

What no one wants to admit is that they don't have any evidence that WTC 7 was brought down by explosives. This is why so much energy is spent trying to will Silverstein to have meant "pull the building down" when it is clear by all the other evidence that he meant pull the firefighter effort.

Focus on coming up with real forensic efforts of explosives.

"he said pull it. is that or is that not a common term in the controlled demo industry?"

It is not a term used in the demolition industry for the use of explosives.

911Poller, is see your talking out of your ass again. Endless devil's advocate against the facts. Cover-up for the perpetraitors. (Maybe you are one of the perps?)

If there has to be another 9/11, it may involve you & your family next time. Why shouldn't it? Perhaps we'll see you hanging 900 feet in the air like a smoked ham, scared out of your mind, you disgusting piece of crap.

Or why don't you provide some evidence for a change?

That is precisely what I did.

The numerous military excersises are evidence of criminal negligence, especially with several international high level terrorist warnings all around.

The 40 minute blackout by the secret service is evidence of foreknowledge that Bush and his openly publicized location were not targets that morning.

Terminated FBI investigations are evidence of either grave (and imo criminal) incompetence, or of willfully obstructing an investigation that could have prevented 9/11.

Insider trading is evidence for foreknowledge. Also, the fact these crimes weren't properly investigated is evidence of someone with authority protecting the perpetrating criminals.

The Mineta testimony is evidence that shows that your idea, 911Poller, of a sincere and trustworthy government does not hold any water.

"just shut up"

Your posts in these comment threads are evidence that you are not looking for discussion, and have a very poor understanding of your nation's and the world's violent history.

Facing reality is tough for you, zuco. Wake up.

The criminal intent of this government is reality. And ohw, I am wide awake.

You should knock off now, 911Poller love.
You've put in lot of work. I'm impressed. It can't be an easy job, maintainig a lie in he face of overwhelming evidence and I think you make a really good go of it. Well done!

"It can't be an easy job, maintainig a lie in he face of overwhelming evidence and I think you make a really good go of it."

I wonder why you can't debunk 911poller then Andrew?

Nice job zuco. You managed to get your facts all wrong.

9/11 truth is based in most part on the series & pattern of implausible events that took place surrounding that day. From Bush unbelievably sitting-out the whole thing, to NORAD standing down; to steel-framed buildings imploding, to confiscated video of whatever hit the Pentagon, to removal of physical evidence, to Bush stalling 414 days before allowing investigation, to caveman Osama & his 19 flunkies defeating trillion $ defense system, to Osama denying involvement, to Osama not being captured, to an over-insured shyster saying "pull it" to "Hi mom, this is Mark Bingham" cell calls from 33,000 ft., to insider trading days before 9/11 for airline stocks to fall; to PNAC NeoCons (in 2000) claiming to need a "New Pearl Harbor" to begin military pre-emption strikes (wars of aggression) on other countries, to Cheney & his Halliburton Co. war profiteering billions of $, etc., etc.

911poller has still not run out of steam yet? outstanding poller! truly you deserve a promotion and substantial increase in salary! dare i suggest yet another round of applause for 911poller? (golf clap)

All wrong, hm? Enlighten me.

Mr or Ms Anonymous, tell me - why should I waste my time 'debunking' someone who is clearly just a professional irritant and very probably does not believe a word he or she is writing?

It interests me about as much as the meaningless tripe spouted by the politicians who are paying for his or her services.

hey Eric B, call me pathetic and whiny again i'll have to threaten you to. fuck off. and Nico, you are assuming i dont care what Kieth Phucas has done before. ive never even uttered ior typed his name until right this second,so stop assuming shit.im always interested in what connections people in the media have.that doesnt mean your not batshit crazy.

I see some of you are having a terribly hard time proving me wrong and so have to resort to name calling again.

911poller, seriously, get a real job.

A few more sites for research, for anyone who IS actually looking for "truth" that is:

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories - Controlled Demolition Debunking
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/

911 Myths
http://www.911myths.com/

"Loose Change" Viewer Guide -- crank video debunked
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
(website with working links)
Or
http://tinyurl.com/epp82
(.doc format download)

Counter-video of "Loose Change 2nd Edition"
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

911 Conspiracy Smasher
http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/

Refuting the 911 conspiracy theories
http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm

Truth About "9-11 Truth Movement"
http://www.911getthefacts.blogspot.com/

Planes May Have Almost Toppled World Trade Center Towers On Impact
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/07/020710082205.htm

Massive Size Of World Trade Center Towers Their Undoing,
Swarthmore College Physics Professor Says
http://www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/Media/Releases/01/towers.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/09/010919074314.htm

Stanford scientist compares impact of World Trade Center attack to a nuclear bomb explosion: 9/01
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/pr/01/block911.html

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation (From MIT)
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

MIT Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering - World Trade Center Collapse: Assessing the Events
http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?iid=3721&isa=Category

Fireproofing key to Twin Towers' collapse
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7236

NOVA Why the Towers Fell | The Collapse: An Engineer's Perspective | PBS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse2.html

WTC Attack Math - From Patrick Di Justo, Astrophysics educator
at the American Museum of Natural History, New York City
http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/2001/09/17

Engineers Explain WTC Collapse
http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0529/news_3-1.html

Report Ties WTC Collapses to Column Failures
http://enr.construction.com/news/buildings/archives/040119.asp

IT WAS THE FIRE, CAUSED THE TWIN TOWER COLLAPSE - icivilengineer.com
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/Fire.html

Popular Mechanics: Debunking The 9/11 Myths - Mar. 2005 Cover Story
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Fahrenheit 2777--9/11 has generated the mother of all conspiracy theories
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=000DA0E2-1E15-12...

When the Twin Towers Fell - Scientific American
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000B7FEB-A88C-1C75-9B81809EC5...

WPI Fire Protection Engineering: News
http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/Depts/Fire/News/wtc.html

Snopes.com-Urban Legends: Collection of links to various rumors on 9/11
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/rumors.asp

Hunt the Boeing! (damage to the Pentagon)
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

"Hunt the Boeing" Answers
http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/2002/03/14

Hunt the Boeing! - Smoke and Mirrors No Substitute for Proof
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

Aerospaceweb Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

Evidence A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

9/11 Denial - Pentagon Eyewitness
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp

Pentagon Eye-Witness Accounts
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm

Pentagon Attack Simulations
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/

Pentagon: The There-was-no-757 Crowd Making Ass out of Itself
http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/pentahole_dimensions_est.htm

WhatDIDN'TReallyHappen
http://mckinneysucks.blogspot.com/2002_07_01_mckinneysucks_archive.html

Asking Questions at the Flight 93 Crash Site
http://www.devvy.com/flight_93_part_1.html

Transcript of Flight 93 Voice Recorder - Yahoo! News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui_flight93_trans...

Conspiracy Theory -- Who brought down Flight 93?
http://web.archive.org/web/20041101190530/http://www.pittsburghpulp.com/...

Flight 93 probe caps FBI career
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20020217bobcraig2.asp

Panoply of the Absurd
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160,00.html

When 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Go Bad
http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/

Put-Paid: allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 myth
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp

The 4000 missing Israelis at the WTC, Odigo warning, & 5 Dancing Spies lies
http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html

AP “Israeli spying” Story an “Urban Myth” According to Justice Department
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=38&x_article=147

4,000 Jews, 1 Lie - Tracking an Internet hoax.Â…
http://slate.msn.com/?id=116813

Steve Jones: AcademiaÂ’s Oliver Stone (and thatÂ’s not good)
http://independentsources.com/2005/11/12/steve-jones/

Steven E. Jones is a dangerous fool.
http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=1789&go=4

September 11 Conspiracy Theories - from Rotten.com
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/september_11_conspiracy_theories/

Oil conspiracy redux
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020412.html

Penn & Teller 911 conspiracy BS
http://luckydawgnews.com/911conspiracybs.html

(I checked back here to see if Wyndham Earl had elaborated on his interesting statements, as per my request. Instead I found that this thread had seriously devolved...)

To the leaders of the pissing contest which this thread has become, I'd like you to tell us all how you can be sure that:

1. Boeing 767s hit the towers. (How do you know that people [and TV and other cameras] could not have been deceived by holographically-cloaked smaller aircraft? Once you tell us how you know this with 100% certainty, I will join you in denouncing the impossible possibility. But until you tell us how you know and can prove that it is impossible, I must denounce you as gatekeepers who are foolishly (assuming you're feeble foolees and not paid foolers, that is) and adamantly trying to socially (incl name-calling and swearing) keep certain possibilities from being considered/pursued/investigated by those open-minded and imaginative individuals who choose to do so in their pursuit of truth about and justice for 9/11.)

2. Mohammed Atta hijacked an airplane on 9/11. (How do we know that he -- assuming he really existed at all -- was not just a role player in one of the government's parallel exercises/drills which occurred at the same time? When/where/how did the government ever establish that there really were any Muslims who hijacked airplanes on 9/11? I seem to have missed that iron-clad "proof"... "Able Danger" supports the government's contention, but "Able Danger" is itself nothing more than yet another government contention. Do any of us believe that the lying government would never tell a lie to help support a prior government lie, or fabricate and disseminate a deeper cover story in support of a failing top-level cover story? How come so many of 'us' cannot seem to even recognize how made-for-public-consumption the very name "Able Danger" is? Just how trusting and gullible and brainwashable -- IOW feeble-minded -- are we, anyway?)

3. Democrats oppose Republicans. Suuuuuuuure they do: the same way professional wrestlers oppose one another: staged, fake, phony opposition. Not one Dem has ever publicly questioned Bush's self-implicating incriminating 9/11 witness statements. (Nor have fake[?] 911 truthers Bob Bowman or Carol Brouillet, BTW. How come so few of you adamant name-callers can notice and connect the missing dots? How come so few of you can notice that there are many [still-]respected 911truth leaders who tell lies about Bush's statements intead of using them against BushCo??? http://911blimp.net/$500reward.shtml ) This thread contains the notion that Silverstein's "pull it" quote "slipped out". Are we all so (100%) certain that Bush is so much more competent than Silverstein that Bush's 1st-impact-witness-statements could not be truthful quotes that "just slipped out"? If so, how? (I don't think the fake, name-calling, evidence-dismissing, sound-investigative-technique-opposing 911 truthers have a leg to stand on, logically speaking. When the pissers act as if their derisive opinions -- expressed with such bluster -- are the equal of logic and facts, they are serving the perpetrators by aiding the cover-up. That's how I recognize the aggressive disinfo agents among us.)

4. Since the government's own video of the Pentagon impact shows that it was not a 757 which hit the Pentagon, why does it seem so far-fetched to some of the brains-on-training-wheels plane-huggers here that it might not have been 767s which hit the towers? I am reminded of J. Edgar Hoover's famous quote about individuals being handicapped by the size of "the conspiracy", when I see how seriously handicapped individuals here are by the size of The Big Lie of 9/11 with which they are confronted -- and cannot bring themselves (or permit others!) to think of how many things related to 9/11 are fictitious. Remember: the lying government cannot afford to be seen defending itself against the recognition that it was not the hijacked civilian passenger airliners wihch struck the buildings, yet it cannot afford not to do so. That's why the government needed to plant blustrous divisive derisive fake-911-truth agents within the movement. After all, anyone can claim to be a 911 truther. To get away with it, all they have to do is talk a little relatively-harmless anti-government trash, and they will be perceived as being in opposition to the government. Fake opposition fools most of the people most of the time, especially once we've permitted them to get away with conflating opinions with facts+logic -- then their narrow-disagreement with the official govt cover story for 9/11 seems acceptable/tolerable/permissible when, logically speaking, it is not.

5. "I asked around about FBI agents in attendance, but did not meet or hear of any." -- Well, perhaps the author of that quote was too busy scanning the audience instead of the podium, which distracted him from the government-friendly limited-hangout disinfo agents who were among the featured presenters. How can anyone fail to recognize David Kubiak and other 911truth.org functionaries as limited-hangout (narrow disagreement with the official version of events) spooks? Oh, that's right, they claim to be opposing the lying government, and they've done so much to advance the truth so little, how could anyone possibly ever suspect them?

And if any of you pissers ever take a break from your multi-faceted pissing contest, perhaps you could address my comment, way above...

Re: comments by Wyndham Earl: I agree that those are corporations/people of great interest to the mass-murder investigation, but I'm at a loss to see what good it does for those of us without subpoena power to "begin focusing on the Chairmen and CEO's of corporations", or what kind of "pressure" we can bring to bear on them. Please elaborate...

Sorry to interrupt the big pissing contest this thread has become with serious questions and actual logic. I now return this thread to its regular distractive/diversive/divisive foul-mouthed name-calling logic-fouling pollution-making narrow-disagreement-with-the-govt-version-of-events gatekeepers....
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