Checking in From Chicago
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Just a quick check in from Chicago - this place is a zoo. Just as a quick example, as soon as I got on the shuttle bus from the airport to the hotel, Alex Jones and the creators of Loose Change got on the bus - I was in the 9/11 skeptics twilight zone. Since then both Somebigguy and myself have seen an incredible number of 9/11 skeptics, of all shapes, sizes, and persuasions. We have seen keynote speeches last night from Steven Jones and Alex Jones, as well as the premier of Improbable Collapse.
In any event, we have taken video footage which we will get on the web once we are able to, and you can be rest assured that there will be a ton of media popping up on 911podcasts.com in the coming days and weeks.
Sorry for the lack of updates, but above you can find a few snap shots from today and yesterday - they are not sized down nor the best shots, just a quick grabbag of sorts. Hopefully we will have a chance to provide more info and details later now that we have the web connection setup.
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Alphonse, your top post
Alphonse, your top post seems phony to me. There is far more to Dr. Jones than you deliberately misrepresented to everyone here, & Rick Siegel recorded some amazing video & audio.
Who's in contact w/ R.A.
Who's in contact w/ R.A. Grove?
Have him explain or expand on-
"Tesla-based weapons like H.A.A.R.P. leave a unique signature which differentiates their manifestations from those which occur in Nature- and if you know what to look for, you can identify man-made earthquakes"
also
"the “9-11 Truth” movement has been in constant turmoil… it’s infested with Cointelpro and Agents Provocateur"
transcript
HAARP
Strategy in Chicago Running
Strategy in Chicago Running Out of Time
The Strategy Track at the 9/11 Revealing The Truth Conference in Chicago on Saturday has yet to provide a syllable of strategy at any of the sessions I have attended. It is difficult to fully convey my disappointment and sadness about this situation.
It will surprise no one that Dr. Steven Jones was able to provide a well thought out strategic plan as a keynote speaker Friday night. His plan includes truth, caring for others, resolve, and resourcefulness in addition to stockpiling food, water, and solar oven cooking. Oh yes, don't forget to procure a pocket knife.
Rick Siegel showed his new version of 9/11 Eyewitness. It was excellent again. Until he started talking about nuclear detonations at the twin towers without any supporting evidence. WTF? Perhaps he is trying to prod Dr. Jones into even more spectacular research tests at BYU.
Is this a "preaching to the
Is this a "preaching to the choir" in Chicago?
Re: Strategy I think the
Re: Strategy
I think the movement needs to begin focusing on the Chairmen and CEO's of corporations like Cubic (NYSE: CUB). They were running the TOPOFF3 drills during May: http://www.cubic.com/corp1/news/pr/2006/Cubic_AMTI_homeland_security_new...
Very often the terror drills are not run exclusively by DHS, but include private firms which lead us into the hydra of the real shadow government.
What about BoozAllenHamilton, where oft-mentioned suspect Dov Zakheim now works?
Also at BoozAllenHamilton is Keith Hall, the NRO Chief who helped engineer drills of planes crashing into NRO headquarters. Superspook James Woolsey, the former CIA Chief, also works there.
I think it may help to investigate the Titan Corporation, L-3 Communications, Raytheon, Northrup-Grumman, CACI and Dyncorp.
And what about NSA firms like SAIC, Computer Sciences, Logicon, and Conquest Inc. which basically now own the agency, design the software, and direct policy? Shouldn't we investigate who ran the NSA Trailblazer and ThinThread updates to the Echelon network?
The Cheney neocon network of moles, men from Dale Watson and Dave Frasca to Stephen Cambone and Michael Hayden are important to hold accountable for wars crimes. But maybe the whistleblowers need to come from private industry, rather than government.
And we need to stop with the old "CIA did it" line, which is simply an outdated 1980's conspiracy relic. The CIA is no friend of freedom, but we need to focus on the NRO and NSA which really own the intel world. And what about James R. Clapper at the NGA?
This is bigger than Cheney. How about we put the pressure on the right points?
-Wyndham
Hey hey it's the 3 amigos.
Hey hey it's the 3 amigos. Great pics guys.
goddamn i wish i was there.
goddamn i wish i was there.
http://i5.tinypic.com/11l5yyu
http://i5.tinypic.com/11l5yyu.jpg
^^ you mean to tell me, that this is what 70$ a ticket paid for???
wheres the money going?
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing guys.
peace,pw
money is going to renting
money is going to renting fee + travel costs for speakers I would imagine.
This movement's free all you need to do is speak on it and not let the topic die.
Anyone there talking about
Anyone there talking about Israel's role in the attacks - or is everyone too scured to mention it?
There will be a nice
There will be a nice collection of digital media available after this event. Thanks to everyone who is going to supply it. :-)
Thank you for sharing these
Thank you for sharing these early photos!
I request that we remove the
I request that we remove the links for these websites under the 9/11 Related Sites
911blimp.net
and
team8plus.org
Do you see the Tarpley
Do you see the Tarpley resolution?
http://www.total911.info
" money is going to renting
" money is going to renting fee + travel costs for speakers I would imagine."
I hope this is true, and that no profit was made at this event.
The crowd looks great. I'm
The crowd looks great. I'm really sorry I couldn't make it to the Windy City. I had planned to go with a bunch of free copies of my video TAKE BACK 911. I did manage to hand them all out today on the streets of NYC. It's remarkable, there's a swelling interest in the coverup. I apologize for not making the trip, but my spirit is with everyone there, everyone except for the undercover FBI.
Was that just one of the
Was that just one of the rooms? As it looks kind of small. I was expecting this big epic conference type thing. I hope the LA one will be bigger, and will attrack many in the anti war activist movement.
Alphonse wrote, "The
Alphonse wrote, "The Strategy Track at the 9/11 Revealing The Truth Conference in Chicago on Saturday has yet to provide a syllable of strategy at any of the sessions I have attended. It is difficult to fully convey my disappointment and sadness about this situation."
^IÂ’m sorry, but what kind of a defeatist attitude is that? If you think thereÂ’s a lack of leadership, stand up and lead yourself.
What's is the MSM response
What's is the MSM response to the conference so far? Zero or virtually zero, right?
So given the fact that busheviks will either nuke Iran this year or blow up the upcomming soccer world championship in germany by an act of synthetic terror this conference is just a meeting of few individuals with negligible overall impact..
The only positive outcome I see in perhaps more cooperation between various factions to regroup around the key points of 9/11. But the bottom line is we are approaching the 9/11 fifth anniversary and the US public is still not bothered by the issues at all.
Pentagon & Boeing 757 Ground
Pentagon & Boeing 757 Ground Effect
any word on how the truth
any word on how the truth protest march went on friday in chicago, how many people?
did they go to the news channels
^^ you mean to tell me, that
^^ you mean to tell me, that this is what 70$ a ticket paid for???
wheres the money going?
ID | 06.04.06 - 1:09 am | #
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Hey, it's not an entertainment show!!! Money goes for speading the truth. Duh.
It does cost major cash to
It does cost major cash to put something like that on at a major hotel in Chicago.
I didnt want to say major
I didnt want to say major twice. I need my Red Bull. Good morning. I cant wait for the vids!!
"It does cost major cash to
"It does cost major cash to put something like that on at a major hotel in Chicago."
$70 is actually inexpensive. The question is whether anyone thinks they're getting their money's worth.
Attendance at a conference
Attendance at a conference like that usually costs a lot more than $70. It costs a lot just to rent a conference space like that. At that amount, I'd actually be suprized if they are covering travel and lodging costs for all the speakers.
911Poller. Have you looked
911Poller. Have you looked at the 911 Revisited video at 911revisited.com. or- 911 Revisited by Steven Jones (on this site I beleive or Google Video for certain)? Come on dude. I wish it wasnt true more than anything.
Jaybird, 911Poller is a
Jaybird, 911Poller is a troll. He would never analyse the evidence, that is the one that weren't stolen and discarted by the perpetrators.
TNF. I know bro. Other folks
TNF. I know bro. Other folks maybe new so a plug never hurts. Peace.
I must give you that...
I must give you that... you're right. ;)
I woulc like to get a 9/11
I woulc like to get a 9/11 blogger.com t-shirt.....anyone know how to get one?
"911Poller. Have you looked
"911Poller. Have you looked at the 911 Revisited video at 911revisited.com. or- 911 Revisited by Steven Jones (on this site I beleive or Google Video for certain)? Come on dude. I wish it wasnt true more than anything."
You have nothing to worry about. It's all sloppy speculation and no evidence.
"Jaybird, 911Poller is a
"Jaybird, 911Poller is a troll. He would never analyse the evidence,..."
You actually haven't presented anything that meets the standard of evidence acceptable to anyone.
Fuck you 911Poller. Morons
Fuck you 911Poller.
Morons like you who can't figure out that concrete doesn't disintegrate into micron-sized particles get nothing but contempt from me.
Is the Law of Gravity "sloppy spectulation"?
How about POOLS OF MOLTEN STEEL, AND beams that look like Swiss Cheese, you pathetic shill.
How about 6.6 seconds?
Don't bother to answer, this is all I have to say to you, and all I hope anyone else ever says to you here.
You just plain suck, dude.
IÂ’m starting to lean
IÂ’m starting to lean away from the theory that the commercial airliners were flown by remote control or autopilot. It seems very risky as much could go wrong:
-A chance the crew could somehow override the system & regain control, & land or crash elsewhere.
-A chance the crewÂ’s radios or emergency radios would be operable & pilots/crew would report being flown automatically.
-A chance that airphones or some other communications device could be used to report that they were being flown that way.
It wouldÂ’ve been far less risky for the perpetrators to over-fly & swap aircraft that had been adapted at secret military bases. Such aircraft could have even been TESTED before being meticulously programmed to hit their targets that day. (Much more difficult to modify commercial airliners that are in service.)
Also, the perceived necessity for all those invented DNA results are further proof that there were no passengers on the planes that struck the targets that day.
Using any pretext, merely
Using any pretext, merely radio the real flights to land at some military airfield or some controlled section of any airport (e.g., Stewart Airport in NY)
cormorant, you are seriously
cormorant, you are seriously behind the times. You just presented more proven myths.
Anonymous, you are making an
Anonymous, you are making an even more complicated plot.
The planes were hijacked. There were passengers. They did fly into buildings.
It's less complicated than
It's less complicated than explaining how caveman Osama & his 19 flunkies defeated NORAD, CIA, FBI, FAA, etc.
fyi, there are/were ppl from
fyi, there are/were ppl from the ny times here. kind of ironic they go to chicago to cover what's in their own back yard.
got great new stuff from kevin ryan, and video of the keynote speaches and the few others we recorded - expect those tommorrow night.
also. the 911blogger shirts are on the left panel of the main page for the person who asked.
Even TSA must know the
Even TSA must know the "offical story" is total b.s.
Since last August, they've allowed sharp objects back onto planes because "cockpit doors have been reinforced."
For Christ's sake, sharp objects were the "hijackers" whole modus operandi that day!!!
So those doors are never opened for the pilots to get food or drink, or to go take a piss or shit??? GTFOOH
You actually haven't
You actually haven't presented anything that meets the standard of evidence acceptable to anyone.
Since you're doing the exact same thing, how can that bother you?
The planes were hijacked.
The planes were hijacked. There were passengers. They did fly into buildings.
Even if this were true, how does that eliminate any government involvement in the 911 attacks? 911poller, in your next post, say something useful about the various military exercises held that morning. Or the 40 minute paralysis of the secret service. Or about the terminated FBI investigations. Or about the insider trading. Or Mineta's testimony. Or..
just shut up
DAnne Burley last
DAnne Burley last night.
Anyone catch this, or post about it yet? Good show.
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Burley06.html
Heh, that's great. A new
Heh, that's great.
A new BYOB (Bring Your Own Boxcutter) policy on commercial airlines... oy the nerve of these fucks.
What interests me are these two articles...
Pilots were allowed to carry guns on planes for 40 years up until 2 months until 9-11.
And then the fact that In 2002 the House of Reps votes to allow pilots to carry guns.
Heh, sure makes them strong on defense to pass this law in this political atmosphere.
This quote is great, from Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska: "Do you really think that 9-11 would have happened if our pilots had been armed, as they should have been armed?"
I don't really know if armed pilots wouldn't just shoot holes in the fuselage, but it was standing policy (to allow firearms) on civilian aircraft for four decades.
It's also interesting that the shoot down authorization policy was changed in the summer of 2001 as well. [I read this a while ago, anyone have a good source?]
So, as much as I'd like to believe it was just 19 terrorists... I have seen damning evidence that the investigating agencies (FBI) were disallowed from tracking or interfering with Al Qaeda. This would lead me to believe that there could be just a few traitors in the FBI who allowed these attacks to occur.
But seeing two laws changed months before the attacks that:
1) Made shoot-down authorization a more cumbersome process, involving approval by Rumsfeld himself.
and
2) Disallowed a standing tradition to allow pilots to carry sidearms.
Leads me to believe that there could be corruption and traitorous activity in the highest levels of government.
I'm sure you're all with me with this but there are many angles that need covering including: controlled demolition, wtc7, 9/11 commission and the coverup, able danger + john o'neill type shit, what did bush, cheney, rumsfeld, et al know and when did they know it, warning signs ignored before the attack, changes in longstanding policy that weakened america's defenses and cui bono, a decisive compilation of all that has been allowed to happen in 911's name and also the people it enriched.
Damn, that looks like a pretty complete picture to me. Theres evidence of all this stuff too. That's a helluva lotta coincidences!!!
9/11Troller is a typical
9/11Troller is a typical shill who annoyingly takes the opposite side of any good point made by a truther. Chumps like him are best ignored.
S9/11T's David Hawkins: The
S9/11T's David Hawkins: The Forensics On The 9/11 Flights into the WTC, Pentagon and Flight 93 (Archived MP3s)
http://valis.gnn.tv/B15833
Drew M--You listed some
Drew M--You listed some highly amazing (i.e., extremely suspecious indeed) coincidences surronding 9/11!!!
Anyone know any other sites
Anyone know any other sites covering this conference?
Drew
Drew M:
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
Secretary of Defense must approve Shoot Downs...
May 2001 Cheney is put in charge of Wargames...
Solid gold, DHS.
Solid gold, DHS.
To Dick Cheney (and all the
To Dick Cheney (and all the other 9/11 perps and their accomplices who are becoming frightened as the big-lie-destroying evidence gradually becomes more widely known, and the govtmedia's physically-impossible web of lies-predicated-upon-lies cover story crumbles):
Please post under your own name rather than as "Andy White", lest you blow his cover, and people here begin to recognize "Andy" as some kind of divisive, marginalizing, narrow-disagreement-with-TBL, limited-hangout disinfo type:
TheBigLie__________--LimitedHangout______________________________-//____________________--FullDisclosure
Also, please inform Dr. Steven Jones that he is under no obligation whatsoever to cover up the fact that the presence of so many ultra-fine particles amidst the very special WTC superdust are not the result of "pulverization", and are indicative of exposure to temperatures far in excess of what thermite (or any other conventional/chemical reaction) can achieve.
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Re: comments by Wyndham Earl: I agree that those are corporations/people of great interest to the mass-murder investigation, but I'm at a loss to see what good it does for those of us without subpoena power to "begin focusing on the Chairmen and CEO's of corporations", or what kind of "pressure" we can bring to bear on them. Please elaborate...
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Another reason I believe
Another reason I believe that various drones were utilized to hit the targets on 9/11 are the bluescreen/hologram disinfo artists. They keep claiming that cartoons hit the towers, so truthers naturally respond that they were real planes--but this ploy leads us to promote the myth that they were indeed AA77 & UA175. (Of course, the real planes need not have been AA77 & UA175 at all.)
blimp: wtf was that?
blimp: wtf was that?
i think blimp is hinting
i think blimp is hinting towards "mininukes"
I bet if I said the Bush
I bet if I said the Bush regime displayed criminal negligence and incompetence, 911poller would say I was lying.
I bet if I said Bush lied about Iraq, he'd say I was lying. Unbelievable.
911poller and other people who think were misinformed: PLEASE explain your take on the FBI being told to back off Osama and al Qaeda as soon as the neocons took office in jan 2001.
pockybot: perhaps a visual
pockybot:
perhaps a visual aid will benefit them:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BhE9yfkRAX0&search=fairy%20tale%20from%20hell
Go to
Go to http://www2.talksport.net/index.asp
Dave Von Kliest is on talking to George Galloway about 9/11.
Click on listen live at the top left of page.
DHS: ...and music for
DHS:
...and music for effect
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/JONBallad.mp3
DHS, that "Fairy Tale from
DHS, that "Fairy Tale from Hell Part 12" short video you linked^ is outstanding! (Jon Gold would love it, if he hasn't seen it already.)
"I bet if I said the Bush
"I bet if I said the Bush regime displayed criminal negligence and incompetence, 911poller would say I was lying."
This is a good point. For the people who refuse to beleive in government complicity, that requires that the current administration at the very least is guitly of criminal negligence.
Thanks for the great
Thanks for the great pictures guys. Give us a full update when it is over. It looked like a good size group. Any new truthers? Don't worry about 9/11Troller. His day will come.
Is it just me, or are others
Is it just me, or are others here a little tired of the plethora of Anonymous posters or ones with spooky sounding names like 911Poller?
What on earth does that name mean? Which particular poll do you refer to?
CNN?
Zogby?
I request that we remove the
I request that we remove the links for these websites under the 9/11 Related Sites
911blimp.net
and
team8plus.org
Andy White | Homepage | 06.04.06 - 3:50 am | #
and again i second that.
Signal to Noise Ratio in
Signal to Noise Ratio in Chicago
Time is a tyrant and I had to leave the Chicago conference before it's conclusion.
I did attend the Webster Tarpley talk. Friends, it's all about the stories. Webster Tarpley proves that you -can- make it up. I picture him looking out the window and that stream of consciousness shiitake is the result.
He is submitting a Resolution to the Conference which has six excellent action points. Very, very good.
It also contains 1-1/3 pages of bombast manifesto which is just awful. Get this man an editor. No, a really good editor. No, no, a ruthless editor.
It is interesting to note that neither 911Truth.org or MUJCA are listed as sponsors for his Resolution.
Morgan Reynolds and Ken Jenkins are not only truth seekers, but truth tellers as well. They honestly titled their talk “Conjecture and Theory.” It was a very entertaining presentation. Really nice job, guys.
Speaking of that, I enjoyed meeting many people at the conference. I asked them “What really happened,” and
you won't be surprised to learn that there was an enormous amount of really insane hogwash answers. Let's face
it, you and I together don't know what really happened. One man, and only one man said, “I don't know.” He then proceeded to tell me all about it long enough for me to miss a chance at a chair for the next presentation I wanted to attend. Bless his heart.
Conference highlight: I shook hands with Dr. Steven Jones and thanked him for all he was doing and said God bless. I pray for this man everyday and would encourage you to pray for him daily and support him in every and any way you can. His work is the most important contribution the 9/11 truth movement we are likely to ever see.
Some random observations:
Friday was a young crowd and a late night. Saturday was packed and there was a really significant number of retired-age attendees. Something to think about. Sunday the truth seeking babes finally appeared on the day I had to leave early. Believe me, it was nice to see some good looking women to counter some of the quasi-creepy guys around.
Most people were cool, but make no mistake there were creeptoids about. Check out the idiot wearing a flag cape and Dr. Suess hat if there are pictures. He makes me want to believe the 9/11 Commission Report. Why can't the 9/11 truth movement have a death squad? I'm only kidding. I know you don't believe me.
There were some technical glitches usually associated with Power Point presentations during the conference. I thought there were some in the crowd who were rude, intolerant, and, well really, to be blunt, assholes about it. Everyone is doing the best they can. People are volunteering to make things happen and a really high level of tolerance should be demanded. Maybe next time.
There was an enormous amount of faith-based truisms about 9/11. This was not a Christian thing but rather a 9/11 mantra.
I asked around about FBI agents in attendance, but did not meet or hear of any.
So What Can We Do?
-See things in gray-scale.
Admittedly, this could be problematic for you. Really, really try. Try harder, much harder. No, seriously, don't go yes/no, black and white on us. Leave room for the facts.
-Trust your instinct and don't falter, waver, or stop.
-Follow and support Dr. Jones and his systematic, scientific march to the truth.
Let the big shiitake talkers like Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley walk. Demand facts. Respect facts.
-Elect Dr. Steven Jones as President.
I thought you wanted to do something. I thought you wanted to make a change. I thought you wanted to make a difference. I thought you you loved your county. Fine. Elect Dr. Steven Jones as President.
-Failing that, go door-to-door to support any (really, freaking any) Democratic candidate running for the house. A Democratic house majority can stop all kinds of mischief. Don't believe that there is no difference between American political parties. Elect a Democratic house and sit back and enjoy. Second best option is to support a 9/11 truth candidate.
These are my observations and comments about the Chicago 9/11 conference that I attended.
If they hurt your feelings you may suck, and that is sad. I expect you to be better than me. Since you were not there, I invite you to tell me all about it.
Best Regards,
Alphonse Schilling
Andy and Chris, the stuff
Andy and Chris,
the stuff you are opposing and reject is at
911closeup.com or
911tvfakery.blogspot.com, not at t8+
what has team8plus.org to do with your hostile attitude??
Furthermore, as mentioned above,
team8plus did exactly do what one reader
suggested above:
looking more into the private military contractors regarding 9/11 and generell.
You live in San Diego and you weren't even able to provide me with a simple answer: How far is SAIC HQ from City Hall?
The shame is on you and your lousy censorship attitude.
But what else to expect from a lousy 9/11 truthling?
...and since you spoke for
...and since you spoke for your friend Jonthan Gold, who was too coward to respond by himself at 911 truth sandiego, here is the revealing limited hangout stuff again, for everyone else to see to have an own opinion about this AD nonsense.
Don't ever call this trolling.
This has nothing to do with it.
It's limiting BS and orwellian doublespeakers like you and the 9/11 truth consultants from Chicago.
ndy,
why are you speaking for Jon Gold?
And is this a censorship or ban warning? (very
popular among truthlings)
Gold should explain for us HERE, why Able Danger and
Keith Phucas are so important for this 'movement' AND
9/11 and why THIS association WITH HIM is not
divisive?
what Jon Gold is treasonous.
He confirmed that he hooked up and met with a spook
and insider,
pushing the Able Danger limited hangout, which is
wasting everyone's time and deceiving more 9/11
truthlings including newbies:
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?800.80
"Perception Management" -Pt.1
(Photo: Daniel Pipes)
Daniel Pipes- the mastermind behind the Able Danger
limited hangout script?
(*thx to Alex Constantine for this finding)
Wikipedia:
"The existence of Able Danger, and its
purported early identification of the 9/11 terrorists,
was FIRST DISCLOSED publicly on June 19, 2005 in an
article 'Missed chance on way to 9/11' by KEITH PHUCAS
(kphucas @timesherald.com ),
a reporter for The TIMES HERALD, a Norristown,
Pennsylvania daily newspaper."
The head of Mr. Phucas on a platter:
Keith Phucas Letter
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/3833
.....
Neocon journalist deceives '9/11 truthling':
Keith Phucas From The Times Herald Interviews Jon Gold
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10110
Friday, May 12, 2006
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/phucasgold911.mp3
More on Keith Phucas
(*thx to Alex Constantine)
"No doubt, high technology will continue to play a key
role in the nation's security and its new war." -
Keith Phucas
http://tinyurl.com/mxbd8 (zwire.com)
High spies
KEITH PHUCAS, Times Herald Staff 10/01/2001
[Back in June, Edward Reese sat in his Lockheed Martin
office in King of Prussia reminiscing in broad terms
about how his pioneering work on a large computer
system for a classified satellite program had helped
keep the Soviet Union in check during the Cold War.
In order to keep the nation safe from the Soviet
threat, it had been crucial for the United States
government to keep an eye on Russia's fighting
capability from space. The U.S. intelligence agencies
had to stay a step ahead of the U.S.'s communist
nemesis.
"You don't want to be surprised," Reese said. "You
don't want another Pearl Harbor."
Little did he know how prophetic his remarks would
become a few months later.
On Sept. 11, the terrorist hijackings of four
commercial jet airliners - since dubbed this
generation's Pearl Harbor - destroyed the World Trade
Center towers in New York City, heavily damaged the
Pentagon outside Washington and killed more than 6,000
people at last count...
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?800.70
Final evidence, that Curt Weldon is a limited
hangouter and not credible, just pushing the 9/11
"plotline" and official myth on war on terror and
'al-quaeda':
Shaffer's written testimony
Wednesday, February 15, 2006
http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006/02/shaffers-written-testimony-is-must...
http://www.house.gov/hasc/schedules/2-15-06ShafferTestimony.pdf
"...If we are to win this war on terrorism, and hope
to preclude the next 9-11 type attack - an attack that
many experts fear wil be one that utilizes a weapon of
mass destruction such as chemical, biological or
nuclear - it is my judgment that we must examine and
make sure that the bureaucratic and policy problems
that hobbled ABLE DANGER effort have been fixed.
......
Krieger & Zaid also support the James Madison Project,
yet another CIA front, specialized in absurde
unclassification lawsuits, f.i. to uncover the
"Detection of German Secret Ink" (1917) and other
similar cases.
http://www.jamesmadisonproject.org/boardofdirectors.html
One of the board members is Patrick G. Eddington, an
award-winning analyst at the CIA's National
Photographic Interpretation Center for almost nine
years.
He also was coordinating the CIA's military targeting
support to NATO during Operation Deliberate Force in
Bosnia in 1995.
++++
Mark S. Zaid -biggest disinfo attorney since 9/11?
Able Danger -limited hangout also merged with Sibel
Edmonds/Daniel Ellsberg distraction
-another final thought on new mass mails regarding the
latest development of the 'able danger' hearings,
meanwhile also merged into the Zacarias Moussaoui
trial, since Curt Weldon, a Sun Myung Moon associate,
http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/2004/06/weldon-khadafy-and-moongate.html
was invited to testify over there.
IcedInk: Why don't you send
IcedInk: Why don't you send Mr. Grove an e-mail? His e-mail address is provided in the transcript.
Wyndham: I agree, and your line of thought fits into the Grove material, and my own experience in the field of emergency management. A number of people are becoming much more curious and aware of the nature of "Homeland Security" preparations, exercises, thinking, etc. as they pertain to a range of things. It seems clear to me that much of what is being done has less to do with actual preparations and planning as it does with detecting weaknesses in the system and ways in which they can be manipulated.
Thanks to all who wrote
Thanks to all who wrote encouraging comments about my new Kos diary, and/or participated in voting, etc.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/2/81113/16175
The poll result was very positive, with 87 percent saying that 9/11 open questions and election fraud should be freely discussed on DailyKos. Only 4 percent thought neither should be openly discussed there, and 7 percent thought that only vote fraud should be openly discussed.
Some comments in the comments section were also very encouraging, such as this:
[new] Ghandi Corollary (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
free speach 07, bigbrassones
The treatment you are getting here for this diary is disturbingly
reminiscent of the early days of vote fraud diaries.
The same unfair ridicule, the same conclusory statements about what is
the 'truth', and the same repeated incantation of the 'extrodinary
proof' aphorism - as if it's some sort of magic spell that
automatically dissolves all doubts about the official line.
And of course, just like the vote fraud diaries, when all else fails
there is always the fall back appeal to 'the rules'.
But here's the kicker: rules change. Kos, to his immense credit, has
always shown a willingness (perhaps sometimes belatedly) to revise
rules when enough of us speak out maturely and responsibly - as you
have with this diary.
The propensity for a change in attitude is best shown in the comments
of your critics. 19 months later after the first vote fraud diary, no
one here is calling you a loon or saying you'll be banned for your
mention for voting irregularities - only for your 9/11 stance. That
fact, along with the results of your poll (so studiously avoided by
your critics) should give you heart that things do change around here
- despite the unfortunate ridicule and vitriol you have been receiving
for your forthright stance here today.
So take heart Vesa. To paraphrase Ghandi:
First they call you crazy.
Then they try to ban you.
Then you win.
Knowledge is the Past. Wisdom is the Future."
Kennedy may complain about
Kennedy may complain about vote fraud. However, he is not likely to admit the entire system, Democrat and Republican, is but a one party system essentially representing the same corporate plutocratic financial interests. “We only have one political party in the U.S., and that is the property party, which essentially is corporate America, which has two right wings, one called Republican and one called Democrat,” Gore Vidal told USA Today in 2003. Vidal takes this formulation from Ferdinand Lundberg.
Signal to Noise Ratio in
Signal to Noise Ratio in Chicago
Time is a tyrant and I had to leave the Chicago conference before it's conclusion.
I did attend the Webster Tarpley talk. Friends, it's all about the stories. Webster Tarpley proves that you -can- make it up. I picture him looking out the window and that stream of consciousness shiitake is the result.
He is submitting a Resolution to the Conference which has six excellent action points. Very, very good.
It also contains 1-1/3 pages of bombast manifesto which is just awful. Get this man an editor. No, a really good editor. No, no, a ruthless editor.
It is interesting to note that neither 911Truth.org or MUJCA are listed as sponsors for his Resolution.
Morgan Reynolds and Ken Jenkins are not only truth seekers, but truth tellers as well. They honestly titled their talk “Conjecture and Theory.” It was a very entertaining presentation. Really nice job, guys.
Speaking of that, I enjoyed meeting many people at the conference. I asked them “What really happened,” and
you won't be surprised to learn that there was an enormous amount of really insane hogwash answers. Let's face
it, you and I together don't know what really happened. One man, and only one man said, “I don't know.” He then proceeded to tell me all about it long enough for me to miss a chance at a chair for the next presentation I wanted to attend. Bless his heart.
Conference highlight: I shook hands with Dr. Steven Jones and thanked him for all he was doing and said God bless. I pray for this man everyday and would encourage you to pray for him daily and support him in every and any way you can. His work is the most important contribution the 9/11 truth movement we are likely to ever see.
Some random observations:
Friday was a young crowd and a late night. Saturday was packed and there was a really significant number of retired-age attendees. Something to think about. Sunday the truth seeking babes finally appeared on the day I had to leave early. Believe me, it was nice to see some good looking women to counter some of the quasi-creepy guys around.
Most people were cool, but make no mistake there were creeptoids about. Check out the idiot wearing a flag cape and Dr. Suess hat if there are pictures. He makes me want to believe the 9/11 Commission Report. Why can't the 9/11 truth movement have a death squad? I'm only kidding. I know you don't believe me.
There were some technical glitches usually associated with Power Point presentations during the conference. I thought there were some in the crowd who were rude, intolerant, and, well really, to be blunt, assholes about it. Everyone is doing the best they can. People are volunteering to make things happen and a really high level of tolerance should be demanded. Maybe next time.
There was an enormous amount of faith-based truisms about 9/11. This was not a Christian thing but rather a 9/11 mantra.
I asked around about FBI agents in attendance, but did not meet or hear of any.
So What Can We Do?
-See things in gray-scale.
Admittedly, this could be problematic for you. Really, really try. Try harder, much harder. No, seriously, don't go yes/no, black and white on us. Leave room for the facts.
-Trust your instinct and don't falter, waver, or stop.
-Follow and support Dr. Jones and his systematic, scientific march to the truth.
Let the big shiitake talkers like Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley walk. Demand facts. Respect facts.
-Elect Dr. Steven Jones as President.
I thought you wanted to do something. I thought you wanted to make a change. I thought you wanted to make a difference. I thought you you loved your county. Fine. Elect Dr. Steven Jones as President.
-Failing that, go door-to-door to support any (really, freaking any) Democratic candidate running for the house. A Democratic house majority can stop all kinds of mischief. Don't believe that there is no difference between American political parties. Elect a Democratic house and sit back and enjoy. Second best option is to support a 9/11 truth candidate.
These are my observations and comments about the Chicago 9/11 conference that I attended.
If they hurt your feelings you may suck, and that is sad. I expect you to be better than me. Since you were not there, I invite you to tell me all about it.
Best Regards,
Alphonse Schilling
Nico, shut the fuck up you
Nico, shut the fuck up you annoying son of a bitch. keep pushing hologram fairy tale bullshit while we all laugh at you. you are the opposite of a patriot you devisive fuck.
I have a question that
I have a question that hopefully some of you with more expertise that I can answer.
Concerning Larry Silverstein's quote where he explains to FDNY that there's been such terrible loss of life that we should just pull the building: What exactly does this mean?
It's often interpreted to mean that they should bring the building down through controlled demolition. It does sound like that, but does that mean that we are to believe that FDNY was complicit in the attacks?
In order for them to pull the building they would have had to know the explosives were there and know how to set them off.
Controlled Demolition is a great interest of mine, and I think represents one of the strongest cases within the movement. However, this Silverstein quote being used as if it's self-evident without any discussion as to the implications has always bothered me.
@ Niko, please take my good
@ Niko, please take my good advise and seek some distance for a while.
Your on it a long time, your efforts are brave and everytime welcome, but if you know a little about CoIntelPro it's also a way of destraction if you defame every other truther as a limited hang-out or government agent.
Even if this was true (it's most probably not!), you play yourself a role in this divide et empera game.
Stop wasting time on infighting. Concentrate on the expose of the cover up and inside job, and not on tactics which are most probably planted...
Greedz from germany
Chris, history will prove,
Chris,
history will prove, who had been divisive.
Your negative vibe is worse than any bootleg of 1984.
Seems to me that the intel contractors in your area have affected you somehow.
And skip the hologram dance. I have nothing to do with it, as eplained here:
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
oh right, the planes were
oh right, the planes were optical illusions right douchebag? your a clown.
Domhoff accepts the
Domhoff accepts the Ferdinand Lundberg formulation there is only one political party in the United States and that is the Property Party, whose Republican wing tends to be rigid in maintaining the status quo and not given to any accommodation of the poor and the black. Although the Democratic wing shares most of the basic principles (that is to say, money) of the Republicans, its members are often shrewd enough to know that what is too rigid will shatter under stress. The Democrats have also understood for some time the nature of the American empire. While the Republicans indulge in Jefferson I rhetoric and unrealities, including isolationism, the Democrats have known all along that this is a Jefferson II world.
Sitting Bull, you can
Sitting Bull,
you can trashcan your pseudo liberal drivel as well.
Just look what you wrote:
"...Even if this was true (it's most probably not!)..."
It's like when flagwavers say, even if true, if US GOV did 9/11, we don't wanna know.."
Fact is, Keith Phucas is a BS artist, close to insiders and Able Danger is a divisive plant. And noone responded to my research on Phucas so far.
Why?
Just to protect J. Gold?
What kind of lousy activists are you?
I'm glad, i didn't join Chicago.
I smell the negative vibes and their influence even here in the chat room -:(
Chris, grow up and learn the
Chris,
grow up and learn the differences within 21st computer society.
It's clearly explained.
CGI =Computer generated Images
and the most obvious footage contradiction
has recently described here:
Compare the 9/11 TV Fraud
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/ccc_comparefraud.html
The only optical illusions are in your head...
please dont entertain the
please dont entertain the mentally ill Just nod your head.
all the people who saw
all the people who saw planes hit the towers are government agents right Nico? you dumb son of a bitch.
The Witness argument is
The Witness argument is irrelevant because the witnesses contradict each other (same case at Pentagon and Shanksville)
You are providing a double standard argument. With that standard i can argue for real planes in DC Pentagon and Shanksville.
The NY witnesses and those who didn't see ANYTHING, though close to the Tower(s), are carefully explained on my site as well.
And here is the latest update (similar to Don Dahler/ABC who didn't see or hear anything, though in front of the South Tower:
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/
June 2, 2006
(*thx to seatnineb)
Photo section of no planes at South Tower
Testimony of Victor Cruzate:
When I was back in the roof I saw just before my eyes the explosion on Tower 2. I didn't see the plane, nor did any of the other guys on the roof. We speculated for a few minutes. The only thing we could imagine was on of the wings of the first plane hitting the other tower and provoking the explosion, but that was very unlikely. Finally one of the people on the roof said: "The radio is saying that there was a second plane."
9/11 WTC Aircraft 'Witnesses'
http://911closeup.com/nico/witness_contradictions.html
Just for the record. I keep
Just for the record.
I keep track of you ignorants.
Everyone who has the word "truth" in his nickname and denies TV fakery, is another double speaker, who should be held accountable in the future!
There is nothing to debunk on my site, because it can't be debunked.
If ignorance and insults is your only weapon to avoid watching the footage again, i don't care.
I am immune against it :)
HUGE difference between
HUGE difference between Shanksville,the Pentagon and the towers as far as witnesses go. CLEARLY there would be a SHITLOAD more people who saw the towers destruction than saw the Penatagon and Shanksville incidents.your argument will never work. hundreds, probably even thousands of people saw the second PLANE, YES PLANE hit the second tower in person.you are a moron.
I keep track of you
I keep track of you ignorants.
Everyone who has the word "truth" in his nickname and denies TV fakery, is another double speaker, who should be held accountable in the future!
There is nothing to debunk on my site, because it can't be debunked.
If ignorance and insults is your only weapon to avoid watching the footage again, i don't care.
I am immune against it
Nico Haupt aka ewing20001 | 06.04.06 - 6:24 pm | #
and just for the record, i know what you look like. you dont know what i look like. you should stop making threats. i take them seriously. i can find you.
yeah, i saw your
yeah, i saw your clowny,stupid ass in some 9/11 film looking like the corny douche you are. stop with the threats dickhead.you dont wanna have to look over your shoulder at any 9/11 events do you?
and for the record, i have
and for the record, i have watched you footage and read your useless crap before.your still a jackass.
Let's see what we have on
Let's see what we have on record for Chris and Andy, two other 'truth consultants':
Ignoring the shady background of SAIC
Ignoring the shady background of Keith Phucas and Times Herald/JRC/Robert M. Jelenic
Ignoring the shady background of WABC and WESCAM
but as good orwellian doublespeakers they always have the finger on the ban - and censorship button....
Good orwellian
Good orwellian doublespeakers also behave like the 'enemies' they allegedly oppose:
1) sending out threats
"...you dont wanna have to look over your shoulder at any 9/11 events do you?.."
2) think, stronger insults can silence the issue:
"...useless crap...corny douche.."
You have more? Bring it on :)
Does anyone wonder why the
Does anyone wonder why the site operators are reluctant to even allow comments? I had an actual question but we're all too busy bitching at each other about pointless things to actually discuss things that somebody might find interesting.
We all know who the kooks are. The reason why they constantly come back to troll is because we constantly take their bait. Stop it.
dont speak for me jackass. i
dont speak for me jackass. i know what you look like.you dont know who i am.i have an advantage.leave my name out of your mouth if you want me to forget you.
carn, In my opinion,
carn, In my opinion, Silverstein got caught by surprise on a PBS documentary and said far too much. He said that he & the fire chief "made the decision to pull", thus indicating prior knowledge of 9/11, as it takes weeks to prepare a building like that for demolition.
Two years later, under pressure, Silverstein said he meant the firefighters should leave the building. (But it's on record there were no firemen in WTC7 that afternoon.) I contend that if Silverstein meant that firefighters should exit the building, or leave the area, he would've said, "pull-out" or "pull-back" NOT "pull-it."
Here is a transcript of a question an Alex Jones reporter asked 9/11 Commissioner Thomas Kean about WTC7 on 3/31/06:
QUESTION FROM ALEX JONESÂ’ ASSOCIATE: At 5:20 pm on Sept 11, WT building #7, a 47-story modern-framed steel skyscraper that no plane hit, collapsed into a neat little pile onto itself, and, exhibited all the characteristics of a controlled demolition.
The guy who owned the place, Larry Silverstein, basically admitted on a documentary, on PBS, that he got together with the NY Fire Dept. & pulled the building, which is a demolition term for taking it down.
FEMA, in their investigation, didnÂ’t say that. They said the fire must have knocked it down, but they couldnÂ’t figure out how.
Video evidence shows what appears to be explosive squibs going up the side of the building, from south to north, or from bottom to top as the building collapsed. There was molten metal found in the basement of that building at temperatures exceeding anything normal fire can cause.
With all the confusion about what happened to building #7, why is there not a WORD about the collapse of that building in the 9/11 Commission Report?
ANSWER FROM COMMISSIONER THOMAS KEAN: We didnÂ’t see anything...any evidence of the kind of thing youÂ’re talking about. We thought that was one part of the tragedy of 9/11, the building collapsed later on, it was not loss of life in that building, and it was not, not part of our report.
http://www.infowars.com/index.html
Maybe learn from here:
Maybe learn from here: -:)
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html
"you are the opposite of a
"you are the opposite of a patriot you devisive..."
I have nothing against the vast majority of the good German people, but I read in the NY Magazine article that Haupt is a German national in the U.S. (legally?) for unspecified reasons?
sorry Nico, but you
sorry Nico, but you threatened us first when you said you were keeping a list.as long as you use my name you should probably look over your shoulder at any major 9/11 events you happen to go to. especially if its in the Philly area.
Oh, sorry, I meant Herr
Oh, sorry, I meant Herr Haupt.
Hey 'Anonymous', why don't
Hey 'Anonymous',
why don't you reveal your real name, location and tell us how close you are to spook asset John Albanese? -:)
Chris, "keeping a list" is a
Chris,
"keeping a list" is a threat for you?
Let's see. So every researcher who is compiling a 'list', must be a traitor in your logic?
I also can distinguish between physical threats and revealing facts.
keep using my name.like i
keep using my name.like i said, i know what you look like and you have no clue what i look like. thats not very smart of you to keep this going.
and yes Mr.Nixon, i would
and yes Mr.Nixon, i would rather not be on a list thank you very much.now try and keep my name out of your mouth when your spewing that dis-info fairy tale hologram bullshit.
Chris, i keep using your
Chris,
i keep using your name, because you didn't answer on my questions and postings yet:
Why do you think, it is not relevant to learn about Keith Phucas past?
Why do you ignore the background of SAIC?
That you are not able to analyse the 9/11 TV fakery i recognised already , but my point started with the stuff above and neither you, Andy or Jonathan Gold did respond on this so far...
If you are a 'truthseeker', then why is it not allowed to confront you with 'true' facts??
I think disinfo agents may
I think disinfo agents may instigate infighting using Nico Haupt's name, or Nico is a disinfo agent, or Nico is a kook. It's 1 of those 3.
http://www.booktv.org/feature
http://www.booktv.org/feature/index.asp?segid=7022&schedID=428
For your information:
The soccer world cup in Germany will go smoooth as!
Germany is organised, and there is accountability in the
power-holders and power-executors. Germany has experience
with foreign rogue agencies and public outrages of all sorts.
They know what to do. I think Webster Tarpley is a fear-monger,
the Bushevics are paralysed. By now even the blackest of US/Is/UK
assassination squads have noticed that there is no need for
war yet. Even the talk of war does the job for them.
Another matter is the COMING OUT OF 9/11 truth..
The perpetrators are afraid of having to hang for this crime.
Their motivation is high to counter any move by the judiciary
(or "activist judges" as Bush calls them) to uncover them.
But what are they worried about? There IS NOBODY to expose 911,
bar the MSM... and what do you see the MSM is doing? Nothing.
A worry is the 5th 911 anniversary... some MSM may cross the line
and publish 911-truth info.
Shifting power balance in November could change that. So the perps
are interested in preventing the house and the senat from going Dem.
But they can achieve that with other means.
... and Thanks Wyndham Earl for a timely warning.
All INTELLIGENCE must be taken away from the military.
In fact the whole USA needs to be immediately de-militarized.
Every bit of intelligence is currently used to:
GAIN ADVANTAGE over others... WHOEVER OTHERS!!!
There is no balance. Superiority is everything,
and subordination is nothing.
However there are MANY things to subordinate yourself to:
Health! Health of nature, health of people, evne mental health.
The culture of hierarchies tryin to conquer each other MUST STOP.
The INFO-war is just another war! Wars are like syphyllis and
pestilence, they are not heroic and almost never worthwhile.
Civilisation means SLOW measured progress and LONG DEBATES.
Barbarism means secret-dealings and FAST ACTION before anyone
has time to think.
We live in a terrible world full of secrets. Remember GLASNOST?
(Glass-like-transparency, accountability, justice) the russians
knew full well what the state apparatus was doing to them.
That was my critique
Now my solution:
Immediately set up a world-wide political party:
- The Chomsky Party (for the catchy phrase and the human-spark)
Its first and ONLY point is to gather MEMBERS as fast as possible,
enough to be a force in the real world, in every country but most
importantly in the USA and then the western countries.
Anyone know of a good forum?
Anyone know of a good forum? This sucks.
Alphonse, you could always
Alphonse, you could always sign up over @ ybbs.com. The comments I think are lacking moderation since dz is in Chicago.
Hey Nico and Chris- Why
Hey Nico and Chris-
Why don't you pathetic whiny fools stop attacking each other like 8 year olds battling over Oreos?? Neither of you know what the truth is, you each have your opinions. Let's show respect for each other. Chris- threatening people aint right bro. Nico- having a "na-na-na look at my website for the answers" attitude sucks too. Jeesh guys, grow up!
Chris and Andy, in defense
Chris and Andy, in defense of team8...Nico may be the craziest person walking this planet, but the John Doe guy over there has done some freakishly amazing work, especially on the hijackers and their doubles.
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewforum.php?23
For the eyewitness junkies, I found this thread over at DU about Marriott Hotel survivors. Apparently, one or two guys say they never saw planes, but most did.
http://www.sept11marriottsurvivors.org/survivors_stories.php
Here is the DU summary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...
Carn, the whole point of WTC 7 is that the FDNY couldn't go in and wire up that building for demolition because it was being evacuated that day. It had to be wired up or whatever ahead of time.
Al C.--Carn, the whole point
Al C.--Carn, the whole point of WTC 7 is that the FDNY couldn't go in and wire up that building for demolition because it was being evacuated that day. It had to be wired up or whatever ahead of time.
Yes, I believe it takes weeks or months of planning & rigging of the explosives in any massive building. To have WTC-7 ready to go indicates advanced foreknowledge & planning for 9/11. Furthermore, as far as I know, NYC firefighters don't implode buildings/skyscrapers.
I'm back... :)
I'm back... :)
Welcome back, Jon! How about
Welcome back, Jon! How about a few remarks, impressions, comments, etc.???
Hold...
Hold...
Check this bullshit out. Saw
Check this bullshit out.
Saw it on Rense.com...confirmed it on the internet.
On February 14, 2006, Congressman Charles Rangel (Democrat - NY) introduced a bill (Universal National Service Act of 2006 - HR 4752 IH) aiming at drafting everyone - men and women alike - from the ages of 18 to 42 into the military for a minimum period of 2 years.
Or to quote the bill: "To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."
The House is to convene on June 6 (06/06/06] to debate and possibly adopt this bill, that is, unless a vast public outcry succeeds in derailing this insanity, which you can do by writing a letter of protest to your congress person through
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm or http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
Phone calls are even better. The numbers of all US Representatives are at:
http://clerk.house.gov/members/index.html
If you question the validity of this bill, go to:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4752
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752
"Even if this were true, how
"Even if this were true, how does that eliminate any government involvement in the 911 attacks?911poller, in your next post, say something useful about the various military exercises held that morning. Or the 40 minute paralysis of the secret service. Or about the terminated FBI investigations. Or about the insider trading. Or Mineta's testimony. Or.."
Or why don't you provide some evidence for a change?
"just shut up"
Facing reality is tough for you, zuco. Wake up.
Heads-up. I just started
Heads-up. I just started listening to Webster Tarpleys Saturday radio program. He is broadcrasting from Chicago with info on the event. If your hungry for details on the conference its in the archive at rbnlive.com. His program is called World Crisis Radio. He says about 700 people attended.
"...but this ploy leads us
"...but this ploy leads us to promote the myth that they were indeed AA77 & UA175. (Of course, the real planes need not have been AA77 & UA175 at all.)"
Are you having a hard time admitting that they were actuall UA 175 and AA 77?
" I bet if I said the Bush
" I bet if I said the Bush regime displayed criminal negligence and incompetence, 911poller would say I was lying."
I'd say you need to provide credible evidence instead of your usual speculation. Just like I always do.
I just can't understand why you won't.
"For the people who refuse
"For the people who refuse to beleive in government complicity, ..."
We still wait patierntly for credible evidence and wonder why you can't provide any.
911Troller, simply provide
911Troller, simply provide the NTSB documents that without a doubt identifies the traceable parts for those aircraft in question and then you will have hundreds if not thousands of people saying they were wrong.
Until you can produce these documents, you are in no position to state that you know what happened and that those planes were in fact the planes in question.
If you have those documents, why not share them with the rest of the world?
" Friends, it's all about
" Friends, it's all about the stories. Webster Tarpley proves that you -can- make it up."
Yes, he and rest of those speakers are good at that.
"I shook hands with Dr. Steven Jones and thanked him for all he was doing and said God bless. I pray for this man everyday and would encourage you to pray for him daily and support him in every and any way you can. His work is the most important contribution the 9/11 truth movement we are likely to ever see."
So you fell for it and never even bothered to question him and his assertions.
You need to open your eyes.
"Nico, shut the fuck up you
"Nico, shut the fuck up you annoying son of a bitch. keep pushing hologram fairy tale bullshit while we all laugh at you. you are the opposite of a patriot you devisive fuck."
And you don't bother to say that to those who question if AA 77 hit the Pentagon and UA 175? Don't you see that you are all makiing the Nicos of this world possible?
Open you eyes to reality, son.
Other Anonymous--I think you
Other Anonymous--I think you may have missed the point in Rangel's "draft" legislation. I think he wanted to show that not only poor people should die in our murderous invasions of foreign countries. He wants no deferments for those having a rich or well-connected daddy, nor if you go BA, MBA, PhD in the Ivy League for 12 years. (I don't know if Rangel got his message accross.)
911Troller, you're helping
911Troller, you're helping make it possible for the murderers behind 9/11 get away with their atrocity.
"It's often interpreted to
"It's often interpreted to mean that they should bring the building down through controlled demolition. It does sound like that, but does that mean that we are to believe that FDNY was complicit in the attacks?
"In order for them to pull the building they would have had to know the explosives were there and know how to set them off."
Silverstein never once meant "pull the building down" but it's a necessary part of the "official 9/11 conspiracy theory" that anything that can be misused to promote the desired "controlled demolition" conclusion will be.
The Silverstein quote was shown conclusibely years ago not to mean "pull down the building" but to "pull the firefighting effort" out of WTC 7.
"Niko, please take my good
"Niko, please take my good advise and seek some distance for a while.
"Your on it a long time, your efforts are brave and everytime welcome,..."
Thence you make Nico possible.
Do these folks multiply in
Do these folks multiply in the dark? No, they only want us to think there are a lot of them. Is there a secret cloning shop located underground? Yes, it's the same one that faxes out "talking points" to the press so they can make up the night's broadcast. Or, as was pointed out by the sinister characters at the time of the Warren Commission, the American people don't read.
"carn, In my opinion,
"carn, In my opinion, Silverstein got caught by surprise on a PBS documentary and said far too much. He said that he & the fire chief "made the decision to pull", thus indicating prior knowledge of 9/11, as it takes weeks to prepare a building like that for demolition."
You're entitlted to your opinion but not your facts. It is quite clear Silverstein never said nor meant "pull the building down." Why would you think otherwise?
Hey Troller, 3
Hey Troller, 3 indestructable black boxes couldn't be found at WTC, but numerous passangers DNA was found & identified.
Let's run that again. 3 indestructable black boxes couldn't be found at WTC, but one of the "hijackers" passports floated to the ground where it was magically found by law enforcement.
That is some serious bullshit!
"Anyone know of a good
"Anyone know of a good forum? This sucks."
There are many good ones that deal with facts, truth, and reality.
Here are two good forums where conpiracy theories are dealt fatal blows daily with reason, logic, and scientific knowledge:
http://www.bautforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19
http://forums.randi.org/
"Carn, the whole point of
"Carn, the whole point of WTC 7 is that the FDNY couldn't go in and wire up that building for demolition because it was being evacuated that day. It had to be wired up or whatever ahead of time."
Yet, we still wait for the evidence and it never comes.
"Until you can produce these
"Until you can produce these documents, you are in no position to state that you know what happened and that those planes were in fact the planes in question."
You would have us ignore the evidence, RemoveBush? Why would anyone want to ignore all the other evidence?
Here's your hero, Larry
Here's your hero, Larry "pull-it" Silverstein on video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329&q=larry+sil...
"Let's run that again. 3
"Let's run that again. 3 indestructable black boxes couldn't be found at WTC, but one of the "hijackers" passports floated to the ground where it was magically found by law enforcement."
Come again? You're saying there is no evidence that three hijacked passenger jets each hit buildings?
"Here's your hero, Larry
"Here's your hero, Larry "pull-it" Silverstein on video."
You're way behind the times. Everyone heard what he said years ago. But he never said "pull the buildings down" nor meant any such thing.
That's a fact.
Troller, there is no
Troller, there is no EVIDENCE that the planes we are told were in fact the planes.
Provide ONE bit of proof! Not just your half witted thought of what the government says is so, but some actual facts.
How about those 3 black boxes that were recovered at ground zero, but the government continues to claim that they don't exist????
How about the fact that a passport is stronger than anything in this world??? The fact that it can survive crashing through a building, a fire, and land on the ground in almost prestine condition.
Cumon Troller, provide some proof that this is even possible. Since you seem to have ALL THE ANSWERS you can surely answer this simple little question. If you can't or don't answer it, then you need to shut the hell up.
If anyone here has any authority to ban Troller, I would recommend it if he can't answer the simple question above.
This bozo is wasting air and needs to be gone if he fails to answer.
"Come again? You're saying
"Come again? You're saying there is no evidence that three hijacked passenger jets each hit buildings?
911Poller | 06.04.06 - 9:55 pm | "
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
Show me the manifest that lists these hijackers!!!!!!
Show me the NTSB documents with the traceable parts for these planes.
Until you can do either of these the answer will ALWAYS BE YES!!!!!
Look, Pollhole. See these
Look, Pollhole. See these people hanging outside one of the Towers.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-people-hanging-photo5-5d-ri...
I take it none of them are you or your family, asshole.
They did not deserve that because Bush/Cheney/Rummy/NeoCons wanted to make themselves & their rich friends richer by ransacking the Middle-East.
So don't come here to deliberately take the opposite side of every sincere comment a truther makes in trying to hold those mass murderers accountable.
If anyone saw Improbable
If anyone saw Improbable Collapse this weekend in Chicago Id like a review. I know you guys are busy rite now.
Can anyone shrink this image
Can anyone shrink this image for me, and email it to Gold9472@comcast.net
I'm still working without Photoshop, and it SUCKS.
Thank you in advance.
http://home.comcast.net/~gold
http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/911chicago.JPG
So what did Larry mean to
So what did Larry mean to pull by that? His dick?
"So what did Larry mean to
"So what did Larry mean to pull by that? His dick?
Anonymous | 06.04.06 - 10:07 pm |"
I'm with ya Anonymous.....
Is that why when the firemen were talking about WTC6, they said (Paraphrasing) "when we pulled WTC6 we had to be careful not to damage the slurry walls."
I guess the fireman was concerned about pulling out all the fireman from WTC6 so the slurry wall would not collapse on them?
I mean jerkoffs like
I mean jerkoffs like Pollhole come to an emotionally charged blog for no purpose other than to endlessly talk out of their asses & bust everyone's balls. It's extremely annoying, to say the least.
Every single thing Bush has
Every single thing Bush has touched since he's been president has turned to shit, and these fools still want to cover-up 9/11 for him too.
Bush should've been
Bush should've been impeached YEARS ago on election fraud & incompetence alone, but we have Afghanistan, Iraq, Abu Gahrib, 2,600 dead soldiers, 15,000 maimed, 250,000 men, women, & children murdered. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!
911 Poller. How old are you?
911 Poller. How old are you?
A work in progress... I'm
A work in progress...
I'm Back From Chicago, And It Was Amazing
I'm pissed about that too!
I'm pissed about that too! We have more than enough to IMPEACH this looser, but the Congress will not do it.
They don't have a problem impeaching a president for having sex in the WH, because it is against their religeon but they have a problem doing it to someone who is killing thousands of Americans and non-Americans.
These are some SIC bastards, and I say the only way we will fix this problem is to storm the WH and Congress and take it back.
$40 Million for a BJ, but only $16 Million for the death of thousands. No that's not a cover-up.
Jon: http://img216.imageshack
Jon:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8337/911chicago1806yr.jpg
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Thanks ben... someone
Thanks ben... someone already did it for me, but really, thanks...
They used to call John Gotti
They used to call John Gotti the teflon don, but BUSH really is the teflon president. He's not held accountable for anything & literally gets away with murder on a daily basis.
The normally outspoken dems like Kerry, Hillary & Bill Clinton don't utter a peep. It's like the Twilight Zone.
No problem. :) Just let me
No problem. :)
Just let me know all the latest happenings. Type fast!
wow there's 911poller
wow there's 911poller setting everyone on this thread straight too! - i proposed a toast to the esteemed 911poller on the prior thread, and, everyone, i'd like to propose another toast to 911poller. round of applause for 911poller! (golf clap)
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Last one: Just look at a
Last one: Just look at a map. See the country between Iraq & Afghanistan? It's called Iran. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Iran is between the other 2 countries we invaded under false pretenses???
Did Christopher Scheer make
Did Christopher Scheer make it to the Chicago conference? Anyone get a chance to talk to this guy?
He was featured in the Confronting the Evidence DVD and has seemingly disappeared. His dad, Robert Scheer, is a gatekeeper. Dad's web site, Truthdig.com has never covered nine eleven inspite of the clever name for the site. Was there a family schisim?
Christopher Scheer, where art thou?
background:
(C Scheer segment at Confronting Evidence conf.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7401144771242354753
So then we are to believe
So then we are to believe that FDNY was complicit in the attacks then? Apparently this is a sticky issue because no one will come out and say it, but if you believe that Silverstein told them to demolish 7, then there's no other way around it.
I don't think people trying
I don't think people trying to say garbage like 9/11 never happened, cgi fake planes or whatever bullshit is a "disinfo" artist, I think they just happen to have made it a hobby to get their jollies off poisoning the 9/11 activist movement.
How did we get from a movement started from 9/11 families, survivors and FBI agents speaking out to idiots saying no planes hit the towers? This is exactly the kind of thing the media and common joe loves to hear so they can say "see, look at the tinfoils!"
And 911poller I just have 3 questions:
1. Why was the FBI told to back off Osama and al Qaeda in jan 2001?
2. Why were top Pakistani ISI officials involved in helping to mastermind and fund 9/11(General Mahmoud Amad, Omar Saaed, and KSM)
3. Why were the only people repremanded and fired after 9/11 were FBI and CIA/Pentagon whistleblowers?
Anyways, I predict there will be a major new puzzle way better than the Moussasoui "verdict" and "Pentagon footage" soon that will once again give mor ecredence to the 9/11 truth movement.
Did anyone met up with
Did anyone met up with Richard Andrew Grove? Or the actor/writer, Ryan Thurston, who made the video "Who Killed John O'Neill"?
Both describe involvement of Kroll, AIG, Marsh+McLennan, and other corporate giants in more follow-the-money linkages.
To me this opens another very interesting vein of inquiry. Also great movie making. All the parts are played by single actor who did the research and wrote the piece. Two thumbs up.
movie at: http://wkjo.com
carn, FDNY doesn't blow up
carn, FDNY doesn't blow up buildings. Forget about it.
WTC7 was the 3rd steel-framed building to amazingly collapse that day. It was not hit by a plane. It had some small scattered fires inside. It was a massive building with very exclusive tenants.
When Silverstein, the over-insured leaseholder, was asked what happened to WTC7, he said that he & the fire chief decided to pull-it. For whatever reason, through either ignorance or folly, Silverstein didn't realize that he was admitting that he and/or others must have had foreknowledge of 9/11, because it takes weeks or months to plan & rigg a building like that for implosion. (Plus, if WTC7 was pre-rigged for implosion, so could WTC1 & WTC2 have been.)
So, while FDNY didn't implode WTC7 or WTC1 & WTC2; IMO, elements in our federal gov't did.
Fantastic whistleblower
Fantastic whistleblower article by Philip Greenspan includes:
Ralph McGehee disclosed back in 1983 what the public has learned during the Bush years about the CIA. The agency does not provide authentic intelligence but clandestinely executes the president's foreign policy and concocts "intelligence" to justify their actions -- actions that overthrow democratically elected governments and insert puppet dictators. Ironically the very secretive Bush administration by its incompetence has brought to light criminal activities that were routinely engaged in by prior administrations....
Wesley Swearingen was a true blue conservative patriot who admired J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI. Shortly after he eagerly joined the esteemed agency he found out that it was not the honorable organization he expected. Over his years of service he learned of, and sometimes participated in, activities against innocent people and organizations that Hoover disapproved of. Burglary, illegal wiretaps, bigotry, perjury, and murder were standard practices...
Dwight Eisenhower -- after a lifetime of service in the military and as president of the U.S. -- retired from government service with a warning against a combination of influential interest groups he designated "the military-industrial-complex." In his capacity as a general and as president he was a major and loyal player in that combination. He certainly knew what he was talking about and accurately predicted what would occur. Unfortunately his wise advice was not followed.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. . . . We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry...
Smedley Butler, like Ike, was a highly decorated military general who spoke out when he retired. He pointed out that the military is just an auxiliary arm of big business dependant on the lives of ignorant soldiers.
War is just a racket... It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many...
http://www.swans.com/library/art12/pgreen90.html
I'm aware of everything you
I'm aware of everything you just said, but what everyone is ignoring is that this theory implicates the FDNY, or at least the fire chief. This is not a small accusation. I don't need to be educated on the situation, as I am well versed. I am asking if anyone actually realizes the implications of the popular interpretation of Silverstein's quote.
It's finished. Remember,
It's finished. Remember, you are going to be seeing a SHITLOAD of footage from this event.
All right. Since the shyster
All right. Since the shyster is on video saying that he & the fire chief decided to pull it, they should both be indicted for illegal demolition, insurance fraud, destroying evidence relating to a mass murder, etc.
Now all we need is Spitzer or Fitzpatrick to indict & put them under oath before a grand jury, and make them talk. Ain't gonna happen though.
Jon, the more, the better!
Jon, the more, the better! Thanks.
I'll tell you, the Philip
I'll tell you, the Philip Greenspan article^ is only a page or 2 long, but it gives great examples of how deeply corrupt big gov't is in a nutshell.
"Now all we need is Spitzer
"Now all we need is Spitzer or Fitzpatrick to indict & put them under oath before a grand jury, and make them talk. Ain't gonna happen though."
It doesn't need to happen. All that needs to happen is for the truth to spread. Everything will take care of itself if we keep spreading the truth.
I have to also highly
I have to also highly recommend the new documentary "Who Killed John O'Neill" as an excellent, and information-dense new 9/11 film.
In other infos, Smedley Butler's entire essay "War Is A Racket" is here.
Welcome back, Jon, dz, sbg!
Hey Franko... :)
Hey Franko... :)
"Who Killed John O'Neill"
"Who Killed John O'Neill" could pf been bareable with oout that shitty acting.
We must he act like a obsessed nutjob?
*Why must he* /me goes back
*Why must he*
/me goes back to the booze.
Did anyone met up with
Did anyone met up with Richard Andrew Grove? Or the actor/writer, Ryan Thurston, who made the video "Who Killed John O'Neill"?
Nuggets | 06.04.06 - 11:27 pm | #
Sounds like Jon Gold did, as well as a lot of other people I'd like to meet:
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10535
Wow, I thought that Smedley
Wow, I thought that Smedley Butler wrote that "war is a racket" stuff recently, but I see he died in 1940.
To all those in attendance,
To all those in attendance, if you have any videos, audio clips, photographs, anything you want to get online, you have a lot of people who will help.
911blogger.com, my site 911source.org, and many others will get it online. Just ask. :)
truther, I disagree. The
truther, I disagree. The actor in "Who Killed John O'Neill" presents great material in a lively, 1-person/many people way. This makes it very entertaining and easy to follow.
I don't know that
I don't know that Silverstein's assertion that the decision made to pull WTC 7 was jointly between him and the fire chief or not. I would imagine the fire chief has not said anything about it publicly. You make a good point, Carn, that if S's statement is taken at face value, it does implicate the fire department, and that is going to be very, very hard for a lot of people to swallow.
The thing I do feel quite confident about, however, is that "pull it" did not mean "pull the firefighters out." Apart from the point that gets made over and over that the firefighters were *already* out at that point, I simply do not believe that a native speaker of English would say "pull it" when he meant pull out or pull back. It is simply not a mistake a native speaker would make. Moreover, the way he says it has a little extra spin on it -- he should have been waggling two pairs of fingers in the air to make the "quotation mark" gesture, from the way it sounds to me.
I actually feel more strongly about this than about the infamous "Mom? This is Mark Bingham" thing. If your job calls for you to make lots and lots of calls in which you identify yourself with first and last name, that sounds like a reasonable slip of the tongue. Pull it = pull them, though? NFW.
"Pull it" is rubbing our
"Pull it" is rubbing our faces in it.
I think Silverstein saying
I think Silverstein saying "pull it" was a Freudian slip. He had been talking about it enough with his cohorts that it just slipped out when he was trying to describe the firefighters.
If he didn't regularly demolish a lot of buildings, he wouldn't even be familiar with the industry jargon. Well, unless he had recently been discussing planning to destroy the WTC.
pock - How did we get from a
pock - How did we get from a movement started from 9/11 families, survivors and FBI agents speaking out to idiots saying no planes hit the towers? This is exactly the kind of thing the media and common joe loves to hear so they can say "see, look at the tinfoils!"
is this movement your guys' exclusive movement then? i subscribe to the nico/cgi school of thought myself, but your tinfoil hat is the same size as mine, so give the word idiot a rest. idiot.
where is the tail of this plane?
where is the hole that this plane is making?
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The old man probably forgot
The old man probably forgot what he was and wasn't supposed to say.
"Moreover, the way he says
"Moreover, the way he says it has a little extra spin on it -- he should have been waggling two pairs of fingers in the air to make the "quotation mark" gesture, from the way it sounds to me."
This is an important point. It wasn't just the words but the emphasis. He knew exactly what he was saying. He clearly meant to say pull "it."
How did we get from a
How did we get from a movement started from 9/11 families, survivors and FBI agents speaking out to idiots saying no planes hit the towers? This is exactly the kind of thing the media and common joe loves to hear so they can say "see, look at the tinfoils!"
pockybot | 06.04.06 - 11:16 pm | #
Good point.
i believe that wtc7 was
i believe that wtc7 was simply overcome with grief at the loss of it's two companions.
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he said pull it. is that or
he said pull it. is that or is that not a common term in the controlled demo industry? he's not a fool and if he meant firefighters then he would've said pull them. it's pointless to argue about it here because even were he to say tomorrow we blew it up, the media would either not report it or distract from it and the entire thing would still be relegated to the back pages of blogs.
"it's pointless to argue
"it's pointless to argue about it here because even were he to say tomorrow we blew it up, the media would either not report it or distract from it and the entire thing would still be relegated to the back pages of blogs."
Bush could say he blew up the buildings himself and the media still wouldn't report it. Sadly, I'm not exaggerating in the least.
"The thing I do feel quite
"The thing I do feel quite confident about, however, is that "pull it" did not mean "pull the firefighters out." Apart from the point that gets made over and over that the firefighters were *already* out at that point, I simply do not believe that a native speaker of English would say "pull it" when he meant pull out or pull back."
The comment was made months later in a PBS Docuementary and "pull" is a common firefighter term for "pulling the firefighter effort." There is plenty of documentation of its use by firemen describing the events around WTC 7 that day.
What no one wants to admit is that they don't have any evidence that WTC 7 was brought down by explosives. This is why so much energy is spent trying to will Silverstein to have meant "pull the building down" when it is clear by all the other evidence that he meant pull the firefighter effort.
Focus on coming up with real forensic efforts of explosives.
"he said pull it. is that or
"he said pull it. is that or is that not a common term in the controlled demo industry?"
It is not a term used in the demolition industry for the use of explosives.
911Poller, is see your
911Poller, is see your talking out of your ass again. Endless devil's advocate against the facts. Cover-up for the perpetraitors. (Maybe you are one of the perps?)
If there has to be another 9/11, it may involve you & your family next time. Why shouldn't it? Perhaps we'll see you hanging 900 feet in the air like a smoked ham, scared out of your mind, you disgusting piece of crap.
Or why don't you provide
Or why don't you provide some evidence for a change?
That is precisely what I did.
The numerous military excersises are evidence of criminal negligence, especially with several international high level terrorist warnings all around.
The 40 minute blackout by the secret service is evidence of foreknowledge that Bush and his openly publicized location were not targets that morning.
Terminated FBI investigations are evidence of either grave (and imo criminal) incompetence, or of willfully obstructing an investigation that could have prevented 9/11.
Insider trading is evidence for foreknowledge. Also, the fact these crimes weren't properly investigated is evidence of someone with authority protecting the perpetrating criminals.
The Mineta testimony is evidence that shows that your idea, 911Poller, of a sincere and trustworthy government does not hold any water.
"just shut up"
Your posts in these comment threads are evidence that you are not looking for discussion, and have a very poor understanding of your nation's and the world's violent history.
Facing reality is tough for you, zuco. Wake up.
The criminal intent of this government is reality. And ohw, I am wide awake.
You should knock off now,
You should knock off now, 911Poller love.
You've put in lot of work. I'm impressed. It can't be an easy job, maintainig a lie in he face of overwhelming evidence and I think you make a really good go of it. Well done!
"It can't be an easy job,
"It can't be an easy job, maintainig a lie in he face of overwhelming evidence and I think you make a really good go of it."
I wonder why you can't debunk 911poller then Andrew?
Nice job zuco. You managed
Nice job zuco. You managed to get your facts all wrong.
9/11 truth is based in most
9/11 truth is based in most part on the series & pattern of implausible events that took place surrounding that day. From Bush unbelievably sitting-out the whole thing, to NORAD standing down; to steel-framed buildings imploding, to confiscated video of whatever hit the Pentagon, to removal of physical evidence, to Bush stalling 414 days before allowing investigation, to caveman Osama & his 19 flunkies defeating trillion $ defense system, to Osama denying involvement, to Osama not being captured, to an over-insured shyster saying "pull it" to "Hi mom, this is Mark Bingham" cell calls from 33,000 ft., to insider trading days before 9/11 for airline stocks to fall; to PNAC NeoCons (in 2000) claiming to need a "New Pearl Harbor" to begin military pre-emption strikes (wars of aggression) on other countries, to Cheney & his Halliburton Co. war profiteering billions of $, etc., etc.
911poller has still not run
911poller has still not run out of steam yet? outstanding poller! truly you deserve a promotion and substantial increase in salary! dare i suggest yet another round of applause for 911poller? (golf clap)
All wrong, hm? Enlighten me.
All wrong, hm? Enlighten me.
Mr or Ms Anonymous, tell me
Mr or Ms Anonymous, tell me - why should I waste my time 'debunking' someone who is clearly just a professional irritant and very probably does not believe a word he or she is writing?
It interests me about as
It interests me about as much as the meaningless tripe spouted by the politicians who are paying for his or her services.
hey Eric B, call me pathetic
hey Eric B, call me pathetic and whiny again i'll have to threaten you to. fuck off. and Nico, you are assuming i dont care what Kieth Phucas has done before. ive never even uttered ior typed his name until right this second,so stop assuming shit.im always interested in what connections people in the media have.that doesnt mean your not batshit crazy.
I see some of you are having
I see some of you are having a terribly hard time proving me wrong and so have to resort to name calling again.
911poller, seriously, get a
911poller, seriously, get a real job.
A few more sites for
A few more sites for research, for anyone who IS actually looking for "truth" that is:
Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories - Controlled Demolition Debunking
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/
911 Myths
http://www.911myths.com/
"Loose Change" Viewer Guide -- crank video debunked
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
(website with working links)
Or
http://tinyurl.com/epp82
(.doc format download)
Counter-video of "Loose Change 2nd Edition"
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
911 Conspiracy Smasher
http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/
Refuting the 911 conspiracy theories
http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm
Truth About "9-11 Truth Movement"
http://www.911getthefacts.blogspot.com/
Planes May Have Almost Toppled World Trade Center Towers On Impact
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/07/020710082205.htm
Massive Size Of World Trade Center Towers Their Undoing,
Swarthmore College Physics Professor Says
http://www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/Media/Releases/01/towers.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/09/010919074314.htm
Stanford scientist compares impact of World Trade Center attack to a nuclear bomb explosion: 9/01
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/pr/01/block911.html
Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation (From MIT)
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
MIT Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering - World Trade Center Collapse: Assessing the Events
http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?iid=3721&isa=Category
Fireproofing key to Twin Towers' collapse
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7236
NOVA Why the Towers Fell | The Collapse: An Engineer's Perspective | PBS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse2.html
WTC Attack Math - From Patrick Di Justo, Astrophysics educator
at the American Museum of Natural History, New York City
http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/2001/09/17
Engineers Explain WTC Collapse
http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0529/news_3-1.html
Report Ties WTC Collapses to Column Failures
http://enr.construction.com/news/buildings/archives/040119.asp
IT WAS THE FIRE, CAUSED THE TWIN TOWER COLLAPSE - icivilengineer.com
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/Fire.html
Popular Mechanics: Debunking The 9/11 Myths - Mar. 2005 Cover Story
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
Fahrenheit 2777--9/11 has generated the mother of all conspiracy theories
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=000DA0E2-1E15-12...
When the Twin Towers Fell - Scientific American
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000B7FEB-A88C-1C75-9B81809EC5...
WPI Fire Protection Engineering: News
http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/Depts/Fire/News/wtc.html
Snopes.com-Urban Legends: Collection of links to various rumors on 9/11
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/rumors.asp
Hunt the Boeing! (damage to the Pentagon)
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
"Hunt the Boeing" Answers
http://paulboutin.weblogger.com/2002/03/14
Hunt the Boeing! - Smoke and Mirrors No Substitute for Proof
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
Aerospaceweb Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
Evidence A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
9/11 Denial - Pentagon Eyewitness
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp
Pentagon Eye-Witness Accounts
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm
Pentagon Attack Simulations
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/
Pentagon: The There-was-no-757 Crowd Making Ass out of Itself
http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/pentahole_dimensions_est.htm
WhatDIDN'TReallyHappen
http://mckinneysucks.blogspot.com/2002_07_01_mckinneysucks_archive.html
Asking Questions at the Flight 93 Crash Site
http://www.devvy.com/flight_93_part_1.html
Transcript of Flight 93 Voice Recorder - Yahoo! News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui_flight93_trans...
Conspiracy Theory -- Who brought down Flight 93?
http://web.archive.org/web/20041101190530/http://www.pittsburghpulp.com/...
Flight 93 probe caps FBI career
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20020217bobcraig2.asp
Panoply of the Absurd
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160,00.html
When 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Go Bad
http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/
Put-Paid: allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 myth
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp
The 4000 missing Israelis at the WTC, Odigo warning, & 5 Dancing Spies lies
http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html
AP “Israeli spying” Story an “Urban Myth” According to Justice Department
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=38&x_article=147
4,000 Jews, 1 Lie - Tracking an Internet hoax.Â…
http://slate.msn.com/?id=116813
Steve Jones: AcademiaÂ’s Oliver Stone (and thatÂ’s not good)
http://independentsources.com/2005/11/12/steve-jones/
Steven E. Jones is a dangerous fool.
http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=1789&go=4
September 11 Conspiracy Theories - from Rotten.com
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/september_11_conspiracy_theories/
Oil conspiracy redux
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020412.html
Penn & Teller 911 conspiracy BS
http://luckydawgnews.com/911conspiracybs.html
(I checked back here to see
(I checked back here to see if Wyndham Earl had elaborated on his interesting statements, as per my request. Instead I found that this thread had seriously devolved...)
To the leaders of the pissing contest which this thread has become, I'd like you to tell us all how you can be sure that:
1. Boeing 767s hit the towers. (How do you know that people [and TV and other cameras] could not have been deceived by holographically-cloaked smaller aircraft? Once you tell us how you know this with 100% certainty, I will join you in denouncing the impossible possibility. But until you tell us how you know and can prove that it is impossible, I must denounce you as gatekeepers who are foolishly (assuming you're feeble foolees and not paid foolers, that is) and adamantly trying to socially (incl name-calling and swearing) keep certain possibilities from being considered/pursued/investigated by those open-minded and imaginative individuals who choose to do so in their pursuit of truth about and justice for 9/11.)
2. Mohammed Atta hijacked an airplane on 9/11. (How do we know that he -- assuming he really existed at all -- was not just a role player in one of the government's parallel exercises/drills which occurred at the same time? When/where/how did the government ever establish that there really were any Muslims who hijacked airplanes on 9/11? I seem to have missed that iron-clad "proof"... "Able Danger" supports the government's contention, but "Able Danger" is itself nothing more than yet another government contention. Do any of us believe that the lying government would never tell a lie to help support a prior government lie, or fabricate and disseminate a deeper cover story in support of a failing top-level cover story? How come so many of 'us' cannot seem to even recognize how made-for-public-consumption the very name "Able Danger" is? Just how trusting and gullible and brainwashable -- IOW feeble-minded -- are we, anyway?)
3. Democrats oppose Republicans. Suuuuuuuure they do: the same way professional wrestlers oppose one another: staged, fake, phony opposition. Not one Dem has ever publicly questioned Bush's self-implicating incriminating 9/11 witness statements. (Nor have fake[?] 911 truthers Bob Bowman or Carol Brouillet, BTW. How come so few of you adamant name-callers can notice and connect the missing dots? How come so few of you can notice that there are many [still-]respected 911truth leaders who tell lies about Bush's statements intead of using them against BushCo??? http://911blimp.net/$500reward.shtml ) This thread contains the notion that Silverstein's "pull it" quote "slipped out". Are we all so (100%) certain that Bush is so much more competent than Silverstein that Bush's 1st-impact-witness-statements could not be truthful quotes that "just slipped out"? If so, how? (I don't think the fake, name-calling, evidence-dismissing, sound-investigative-technique-opposing 911 truthers have a leg to stand on, logically speaking. When the pissers act as if their derisive opinions -- expressed with such bluster -- are the equal of logic and facts, they are serving the perpetrators by aiding the cover-up. That's how I recognize the aggressive disinfo agents among us.)
4. Since the government's own video of the Pentagon impact shows that it was not a 757 which hit the Pentagon, why does it seem so far-fetched to some of the brains-on-training-wheels plane-huggers here that it might not have been 767s which hit the towers? I am reminded of J. Edgar Hoover's famous quote about individuals being handicapped by the size of "the conspiracy", when I see how seriously handicapped individuals here are by the size of The Big Lie of 9/11 with which they are confronted -- and cannot bring themselves (or permit others!) to think of how many things related to 9/11 are fictitious. Remember: the lying government cannot afford to be seen defending itself against the recognition that it was not the hijacked civilian passenger airliners wihch struck the buildings, yet it cannot afford not to do so. That's why the government needed to plant blustrous divisive derisive fake-911-truth agents within the movement. After all, anyone can claim to be a 911 truther. To get away with it, all they have to do is talk a little relatively-harmless anti-government trash, and they will be perceived as being in opposition to the government. Fake opposition fools most of the people most of the time, especially once we've permitted them to get away with conflating opinions with facts+logic -- then their narrow-disagreement with the official govt cover story for 9/11 seems acceptable/tolerable/permissible when, logically speaking, it is not.
5. "I asked around about FBI agents in attendance, but did not meet or hear of any." -- Well, perhaps the author of that quote was too busy scanning the audience instead of the podium, which distracted him from the government-friendly limited-hangout disinfo agents who were among the featured presenters. How can anyone fail to recognize David Kubiak and other 911truth.org functionaries as limited-hangout (narrow disagreement with the official version of events) spooks? Oh, that's right, they claim to be opposing the lying government, and they've done so much to advance the truth so little, how could anyone possibly ever suspect them?
And if any of you pissers ever take a break from your multi-faceted pissing contest, perhaps you could address my comment, way above...
Re: comments by Wyndham Earl: I agree that those are corporations/people of great interest to the mass-murder investigation, but I'm at a loss to see what good it does for those of us without subpoena power to "begin focusing on the Chairmen and CEO's of corporations", or what kind of "pressure" we can bring to bear on them. Please elaborate...
Sorry to interrupt the big pissing contest this thread has become with serious questions and actual logic. I now return this thread to its regular distractive/diversive/divisive foul-mouthed name-calling logic-fouling pollution-making narrow-disagreement-with-the-govt-version-of-events gatekeepers....
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