The unbelievable Betty Ong call sounds like a drill. She calmly says people "have been stabbed," or "are stabbed" with no mention of who did the stabbing. It sounds like a prepared hijack scenario, where she was told she was participating in a drill, and the "situation" is that people have been stabbed. She probably believed - as did the other non-screaming people behind her - that it was all a drill and that they would land safely in a while.

I love how some people say the Government couldn't have done it because they're incompetent, while others say the Government couldn't have because they would have done a better job at covering it up...

9/11 Commissioners? Hello?

I remember getting a chill down my spine in 2002 when I was watching "Hannibal" on DVD or pay-per-view and they showed the FBI's 10 Most Wanted on the Italian detective's computer; the camera paused just for a moment over the photo of a man in traditional Arab clothes, with staring eyes and a long beard. It was Osama.

"Hannibal" was filmed in 2000, and released in February of 2001. Even though bin Laden was obviously wanted for the Cole bombing and the Kovar Towers bombing, it was still creepy to see him in the film.

Regarding this new report, I'm actually surprised both that they haven't made up a story connecting him, with false testimony obtained through torture and coercion and bribery to back it up, and that they can't find anything linking him with 9/11, since I've always assumed that he really was part of the big picture, whether it was LIHOP or MIHOP.

I just think the danger posed by al-Qaeda (presuming any such organization actually exists) is exaggerated at best. Other western nations' response to terrorism in their own countries did not involve land invasions of sovereign countries with little or no connection to the terrorists involved. 9/11 was the best thing to ever "happen" to GWB.

for anyone that cares, my wife tried to call me from an airplane on her cell phone and guess what, it didnt go through...

shocking!!! HAHAH!!!

I recall commenting on this some time ago...nice to see its getting more publicity.

I think the polls are misleading. I do believe a large amount believe there was a cover-up. in the sense the government is not always telling us all the stuff they know or could have done to stop 911, ie they zoned out before the attacks and didnt do enough to stop them.

not that people believe the government actually were RESPONSIBLE for the attacks.

there is a difference, its how the poll are phrasing things that is misleading.

“Why doesn’t Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster make any direct connection with the events of September 11, 2001?”

Perhaps if Osama is still alive and he (or others) deny & prove he didn't do 9/11, they'll quickly shut him up by charging him with those 1998 bombings. Osama may find it harder to disprove the 1998 stuff, as those crimes are older & far less scrutinized than 9/11.

"The unbelievable Betty Ong call sounds like a drill. She calmly says people "have been stabbed," or "are stabbed" with no mention of who did the stabbing. It sounds like a prepared hijack scenario, where she was told she was participating in a drill, and the "situation" is that people have been stabbed. She probably believed - as did the other non-screaming people behind her - that it was all a drill and that they would land safely in a while.
James | 06.07.06 - 4:15 am | # "

James, I think you may be onto something very big! It does indeed sound like they got hold of a recording of Ms. Ong doing some practice drill, and they edited/modified it to suit their 9/11 scenario!

I don't believe a skilled, articulate flight attendant like Ong would have called a “reservations desk” in NC during an emergency. The ploy of phoning Ong’s recording to the “reservations desk” also created an extra layer of confusion, or safety filter, and gave the 9/11 Commission some innocuous verbiage to release.

PS: IÂ’m going to bump this up to the next thread.

Hmmm...

James, I think you may be onto something very big! It does indeed sound like they got hold of a recording of Ms. Ong doing some practice drill, and they edited/modified it to suit their 9/11 scenario!

I agree that's interesting. If we take this "drill" scenario, maybe it meshes with the war games. A couple of years ago it was announced that cellular users would soon be able to use their phones in-flight, so it's entirely possible that this tech already existed in the military.

If we can find out if the military already had the tech, then it's entirely possible that the phone calls were real, but maybe the passengers were given scripts, which could explain the Todd Beamer quote...

If he were reading from a script that said "hello mom, it's me (insert name)" that could explain why he used his full name.

A bit far fetched, but... this would make the passengers unwitting participants, as the "war game" scenario turns to real.

Anyone?

Yes Alan, either live scripts or captured recordings from prior drills, or tapped phone conversations, etc.

PS: Note it was Hi mom, this is Mark Bingham... (not Todd Beamer)

1. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

2. "I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"

- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01

http://www.buzzflash.com/contrib...1/ 13_Laden.html

- Straight from the Chimp's mouth.And note the dates.

Also:

3. "Before the start of the U.S.-led military campaign in Afghanistan, the Labour government did publish evidence linking the Taliban, al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden to the Sept. 11 attacks, a move that was seen as vital to maintaining public support."

http://www.time.com/time/europe/ ...,335955,00.html

So that's Tony Blair's view of Bin Laden's guilt: "Vital to maintaining public support." Indeed.

4. John Kerry, sometime leader of the loyal opposition:

"Osama bin Laden attacked us."

http://antiwar.com/justin/?artic...? articleid=3705

(No doubt in his mind either then.)

4. Eminem agrees:

"Bin Laden attacked us, and we attacked Saddam. Explain why that is. Give us some answers."

http://www.juancole.com/ 2004_10_...le_archive.html

So the premise is accepted unquestioningly, not just by George Bush, John Kerry and Tony Blair, but by MTV's favourite scary rapper. Indeed, you'll have difficulty finding any public figure who doesn't accept it as an unquestionable fact: Bin Laden attacked us.

And now - on June 5th 2006 - the FBI demurs, discreetly and very belatedly.

But what do they know? After all, they're just the world's biggest police force.

"So, then what? The family members who spoke to the "passengers" were lying...or where they speaking to someone else, like a fake passenger or a manufactured voice?
Anonymous | 06.07.06 - 11:12 am |"

I don't have an answer.....

I can only tell you the reality of the electronics. The rest will have to be discovered through an investigation.

"So, then what? The family members who spoke to the "passengers" were lying...or where they speaking to someone else, like a fake passenger or a manufactured voice?
Anonymous | 06.07.06 - 11:12 am |"

How about a live terror drill? and/or
How about spliced recordings from previous drills, tapped & taped phone calls of Bingham, Beamer, etc.?

Sorry anon... of course you're right.

Was just reading the United 93 messageboards about Beamer, so that kinda carried over...

Kids make fake phone calls of celebrities voices they tape off movies, & they are very convincing!

You don't think NSA could do it better?

What does everyone make of these new claims swirling around that new terrorist attacks against the USA are in the works?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/05/terror/main1683852.shtml

Ray McGovern has made some pretty frightening predictions as well. And it all makes sense from a number of different perspectives - an election year - the need to frame Iran - the need to consolidate executive power and shutdown dissention. It makes sense.

Another thing to consider is that it is very possible the USA could be targeted - legitimately - by foreign terrorists - given our horrendous policies and the mass murder taking place in our name. Would anyone be surprised if legitimate terrorist attacks started?

But the real question is - what would happen to the 9/11 Truth movement if another horrible attack occured? Would we be blamed? Would there be a backlash against us - and all critics of the president?

Could martial law be declared?

I hate to spread paranoia and fear - because this is exactly what the neo-cons use to attack us. But - given what we know and believe - isn't it necessary to consider these scenarios?

I have long felt that this movement is long on speculation and theories about details (like cellphones)- while failing to organize to protect ourselves and the nation.

Please don't attack me on the 'cellphones' comment. it is extremely important to continue researching these things - i enjoy it myself - but - i also think that we should be practicing what we preach and treating the current situation as seriously as the evidence suggests.

Think of how staggering a concept this is. USA government complicity in 9/11?

IT doesn't GET any more grave than that.

And now talk of a war with Iran?

And Canadian terrorists being reported at the gates?

Perhaps the direction of this movement needs to change - having accomplished what we set out to do - and it is now time to mobalize.

perhaps we need to treat this crisis as the emergency it is.

How can we not?

How can we make the claims we are making - while simply attending conferences (like Star Trek conventions) - without DEMONSTRATING how serious we are?

We need thousands of people in the street - banging on pots and pans - doing sit-ins - and chaining themselves to the gates of power.

What if the plan to use nukes against Iran is true?

Question: When does this movement move beyond the research and specualtion stage - and start acting on the the strength of its own convictions?

Could people be viewing us as "conspiracy theorists" because that is all we appear to be? How can we CLAIM to believe what we believe - while remaining politically innocuous?

I apologize for venting - but - just as we view non-believers as being "in denial" - i also wonder if WE are also failing to grasp the magnitude of this crisis.

You are right-on again, John.

EGLS & now is that time!

John:

I've had that exact feeling for a long time now. Even though many of us are aware of what's going on, we will be powerless to counter the hysteria that will accompany the next attack. You can get a taste of it looking at the coverage of the Canadian arrests: breathless statements by the US media accepting at face value that a major attack has been thwarted. Now just imagine if something does go down. I think we should have a mechanism in place to address the public in the event of an attack. A way to get people to think before they react. But how?

John, Gothamite, you've get it right. A (real/fake) terrorist attack WILL be taking place in a near future. That is what the movement should focus on. We are in immediate danger of collective hysteria, martial law, imperial war, etc... They've gone too far. They won't step back. God help us!

A comment on the topic at hand, the FBI Most Wanted List. I checked out the site, and in a statement on the main page, they say that each person on the list is there because of a specific indictment, which is what allows an arrest to be made (as if they would hesitate to arrest any suspected terrorist for lack of an indictment!) In the case of OBL, the only indictment they got was with respect to the embassy bombings, from the Clinton Justice Department. It also has this statement: "Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001."

Now the question is, why couldn't they or wouldn't they pursue an indictment against OBL for 9/11? I suspect that, as with many of the folks in Guantanamo, they don't want to go through the regular criminal justice process because it would shine a light on their evil doings. I think we should get out to the press the fact that our own Justice Department has not pursued every means possible to bring OBL to justice.

Its a little embarassing. When you look at the protests in the 1960s over a relatively localized war in southeast asia - compared to today - NO protests over a fabricated WW3 - its embarassing.

John, it's because the media show us the matrix, no the reality.

Then we need to push the kind of pressure on the media that they can't ignore.

John:

Remember that it took a long time for the larger tide to turn against Vietnam. And the revulsion against the excesses of some of the protesters is what set the table for the later conservative resurgence. Cripes... we are still arguing over whether or not the Vietnam War was lost because of the loss of domestic support (and you can see the same arguments coming on Iraq).

all of that said, I think things could be better if people could cut through the media fog.

P.S. I loved your film.

Thanks. unfortunately we are running out of time. geez - i am not even sure we will make it through 2006.

i guess the ONE hope we can have is that people will get angry at this administration if there IS another attack - whether they believe it is an inside job or not.

even if you believe the official story - 4 1/2 years after 9/11 the borders are still wide open? our nuclear plants unprotected? it makes no sense.

another 9/11 could be like Hurricane Katrina - on acid - and could result in a real uprising of anger.

this is not something to hope for - but - we are running out of choices.

I worry about that as well. I think the best and really only defense option We the People have left is to type and speak as loudly and widely as possible, telling the facts, asking the questions, challenging all Americans to look and do the same. The rulers are afraid of the people's will, of public opinion; that's why they lie so much about what they're doing. Anyone have any info on how much 9/11 truth has penetrated the military? The regulars are probably mostly good peoople, loyal to the Constitution they took an oath to uphold and defend. It's illegal for them to obey illegal orders. The more pressure all the people in the media and govt feel from the People, the more possible it will be for the good ones to use their position for truth and justice. We don't need them however; the govt. needs a certain level of legitimacy, which is dropping fast as people get exposed to independent 9/11 info. They've staked their credibility on us fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here. They've been monitoring the calls of 200 mil Americans, but can't prevent another attack? They're in a really weak, dangerous position even though they appear to have so much mind control and their own military, besides control of ours. I'm thinking it'll more likely be the Flu, blame it on Mama Nature. The Soviet Union fell. The people there stopped a coup by the old hardliners. A few Eastern European countries stopped electoral fraud. This is America. The darker things get here, the more will get concerned, pissed and eventually the popular movement will be unstoppable. Already half the country just straight up wants Bush impeached, no more questions asked, according to the American Research Group poll 3/15

In the below April 19, 2002 speech by Robert S. Mueller III, then-Director of the FBI, to the Commonwealth Club of California in San Francisco, he stated that the suspected 9/11 hijackers (many of whom have turned up alive and well) left not a single trace of evidence linking them to any larger September 11th plot (i.e., such as involving al-Qaeda or Osama bin Laden):

Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, FBI, Commonwealth Club of California, San Francisco, CA, April 19, 2002:

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech041902.htm

Below is an excerpt from the above transcript of Robert S. Mueller III's above-mentioned speech:

""
The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper--either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere--that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot. The hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind. They used hundreds of different pay phones and cell phones, often with prepaid calling cards that are extremely difficult to trace. And they made sure that all the money sent to them to fund their attacks was wired in small amounts to avoid detection.
""

Someone should take on the task of getting hold of Ann Coulter's travel itinerary - speaking engagements - book signings - etc etc.

I think, on behalf of the 9/11 widows, we could arrange for some very special welcomes.

So this guy, Rex Tomb does't get any hits on Yahoo or Google other than those recently created by his 9/11 story. Just like Richard Andrew Grove.

I too would say that we must use extreme caution before adding any more "evidence" to our already pretty damning case. a) it's not needed b) the potential for muddling the clear cut case that exists is too great. I won't immediately jump up and call people frauds, because a suspicion is not the same as the truth, but things at this point are getting to a point where clearly the disinfo will be coming fast and furious. If the Grove fellow is legit, it's unfortunate that he just emerged now because it does cast a shadow of doubt on his story, which is so complex that the cost/benefit of promoting it may not be worth it, especially given the fact that we have plenty of evidence as it is. Has Mr. Grove filed a deposition with any authority?

Is this the Rex Tomb? What was the recent news about him?

2001-09-27
http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47109,00.html

May 26, 03
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,87836,00.html

Richard Andrew Grove is only claiming to have worked in sales for 3 financial and software companies, somehow coming accross evidence of criminal acts, speaking up and getting fired- he wouldn't necessarily be coming up in a search for anything. I'm still skeptical though, and would like to see the packages published that he says have been sent to various people in the movement. A deposition/affidavit would be an important, obvious step and should be suggested to him, in case he hasn't thought of it.

I do think it's possible a legitimate terror attack could take place, tho it always seems at the very least it's a sting gone wrong or the government has total foreknowlege.

Rex Tomb (#8):

http://204.200.222.168/organizations.php3?action=printContentItem&orgid=...

Oprah/Rex Tomb:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/oprahs-most-wanted-pays-off/2005/10/...

Zimbabwe and Rex Tomb:
http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/apr15_2001.html

Many of the above posts echo my sentiments. Enough research and theorizing has been done to show that the official story is a hoax. Now is time for peaceful protesting.

The immigrants can orgazine massive protests in the streets, but the truth movement cannot, with millions of Americans rejecting the official story?

Just imagine if 100 000 people protested for a day or two in front of the New York Times.

It is my suspicion that the recent, sometimes fairly sympathetic media coverage of 9/11 Truth is at least partly because the media have realized that the concerns are shared by so many. They have started to think about the consequences of this.

While all the things that have been done (talking to people, writing to discussion forums and to the media, doing more research, etc) must continue, I think visible mobilization is quickly needed.

In the Uk last weekend the Police shot a suspected terrorist whilst raiding a house looking for a bomb.

They said the policeman didnt realise he fired his gun as his protective gloves were too thick to feel the trigger.

They havent found any trace of the bomb yet and the front page news has been that there is a dangerous bomb on the loose.

I fear there is going to be another attack in the Uk again soon. They are trying to keep everyone scared.

The "suspected terrorist" works as a driver for the royal mail and recently was working extra hours to save up to buy a motorbike. Doesnt sound like your typical terrorist according to neighbours, workmates, friends.

Rex Tomb @ 2001-09-27:

President Bush has said he has evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks, so it would seem obvious that the FBI would include him and other suspects on its 10 most wanted fugitives Web page.

Think again.

Bin Laden is listed, but only for the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. There is no mention of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing or the attacks on the USS Cole in October 2000, both of which he is widely believed to have orchestrated. And forget about Sept. 11.

The reason? Fugitives on the list must be formally charged with a crime, and bin Laden is still only a suspect in the recent attacks in New York City and Washington.

"There's going to be a considerable amount of time before anyone associated with the attacks is actually charged," said Rex Tomb, who is head of the FBI's chief fugitive publicity unit and helps decide which fugitives appear on the list. "To be charged with a crime, this means we have found evidence to confirm our suspicions, and a prosecutor has said we will pursue this case in court."

http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47109,00.html

Dow down 71 points to 10,930.

how low will it go?

pre-911 and pre-March03IraqAttack the dow dropped considerably...

http://www.quote.com/qc/stocks/charts.aspx?__VIEWSTATE=dDwtMjU2Mzg3MTI1O...

John Albanese is spot on about the need to plan for a post-911 Mark2 world in which the American people, as well as the British, are in a state of blind panic and Islamophobia. We could even wake up and find the internet has gone down . These guys have been peparing for this for years and they want to destroy us.

We must have other means of communicating such as the phone.

As far as the MSM are concerned I think they are slowly waking to the possibility of a post-Neocon America and don't want to lose the public's loyalty by backing the criminals. On the other hand, it is too soon for them to jump ship, so they maintain a slightly hostile neutrality while allowing information to come out.
I was amazed at the AOL coverage which actually mentioned WTC 7 and Booker. The dam is cracking, make no mistake about that.

Now that we know that Rex Tomb is real and that he said the FBI still has no evidence to link bin Laden to 9/11, how can this be utilized?