Lots of random stuff floating around tonight, other concerns with what's going on in the news. These aren't necessarily 9/11 related, so here is an open thread, have at it.
I know, I'm gonna look like a rawstory.com cheerleader today, but they're on fire.
One of their headlines today deals with prominent neocon by the name of Michael Ledeen, who's come under fire for possibly having some involvement in the Niger Yellow Cake forgeries scandal. Ledeen's recent activity in Rome with some Iranian arms dealers has raised some eyebrows yet again since it is very reminicent of his activity in the lead up the war with Iraq. Really interesting developments here. full article: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_confirms_Iranian_directorate_...
Also, The Pentagon Talking Points Document for War:
"The 74 page document seems to be an election year guide for Republicans and Democratic supporters of the war, with many of the "points" seeming to be rebuttals to arguments made by opponents of the war." Of course, they tried to recall it, but why would they do such a thing???
read it all here: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_recalls_war_talking_points_do...
Cloak & Swagger (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 11:17am.
Hope you all don't mind a little repost here re: Flying a Plane Into the World Trade Center? Why Not Fly Out of LaGuardia?
A key reason why the "hijackers" (sure, they really flew those planes, LOL) traveled via Maine to Boston was so that Atta's incriminating luggage could conveniently fall into the governmentÂ’s hands.
Because the flight from Portland to Boston was delayed, AttaÂ’s bags did not make it onto AA11. When later found by the gov't, they contained airline uniforms, flight manuals, and a four-page document in Arabic, copies of which were also found with the terrorists of the other three planes (how did they survive the crashes?). It contains a list of instructions, such as "make an oath to die and renew your intentions," "you should feel complete tranquility, because the time between you and your marriage in heaven is very short," "check your weapon before you leave and long before you leave. You must make your knife sharp and you must not discomfort your animal during the slaughter." What b.s.
Furthermore, UA93 flew out of Newark, NJ; merely 10 miles from the WTC!!! So why didn't Atta & the others who were to hit the towers fly out of Newark???
What about AA77 flying out of Dulles Int'l in D.C.??? Lax security there too???
Lastly, a couple of Arab Mafioso-looking dudes are going to be much more conspicuous in small Maine airport than in a NYC airport.
“Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari drove a rental car two hours north from Boston to stay at a hotel in South Portland on the night before the attacks. On Sept. 11, 2001, they barely caught their commuter flight back to Boston's Logan International Airport, where they just made their connection with the jet they would later crash into the World Trade Center's north tower. emphasis added
Yeah, two super-Jihadist masterminds at work. Running around like Keystone Cops & nearly missing 2 flights making it impossible to complete the mission they had planned over 5+ years. And AttaÂ’s (planted) luggage didnÂ’t even make it, so he screwed up big time, especially if the mission had been cancelled that day.
Resolved: America great! Bin Laden evil! Go Bush!
Not even the inventor of "freedom fries" could stand to be present at the GOP-controlled Congress's absurd "debate" over Iraq.
By Michael Scherer
Rep. Walter Jones, the North Carolina Republican who invented the phrase "Freedom Fries," invited me into his Capitol Hill office Thursday morning, a cluttered space festooned from floor to ceiling with military memorabilia, Pentagon plaques and photographs of soldiers. Then he pulled out an e-mail he had recently received from an Army captain who served in Iraq.
The email quoted another American soldier serving in Iraq, a voice that Jones wanted people to hear. "Tell all those assholes in D.C. to get us the f--- out of here. This is bullshit," Jones said, reading from the email, but choosing not to pronounce the f-word in full. "Either that or tell them to tell Bush to send over the twins. They can bunk with me. That would be useful."
"We are the world, we are the children, we are the ones who make a brighter day, so let's start giving, there's a choice we're making, we're saving our own lives, it's true we make a better day, just you and me."
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 12:56pm.
Hey, I'm new to the movement. I'm always asked by people, "what can we do?" I want to give them the best answer. Can someone point me somewhere? I think all of us need 'something' to do.
like I'd say (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 1:29pm.
I was reading about how expensive the Chicago conference was. (Must be a heck of a lot cheaper to get DRG & other truthers onto a few stages here & there.)
I wonder if anyone (say, Jimmy Walter) could afford some 9/11 "info-mercials" on tv? Even if it has to be 2:00 or 3:00 a.m., some people would still be watching. (Perhaps 9/11 books/DVDs could be sold, and donations could be solicited during the infomercial.)
Unfortunetly, I think we've reach the point in history that our present system of democracy is dead. It died in the 2000 election, and it ain't gonna be brought back to life, not without a reincarnation, at least.
Fortunetly, I think The People will rise above the present situation to create the future, just as the founding fathers' did when they created this country. The difference is that we are not creating a revolution by force, but rather through the internet (yes, you are the revolution!) The time is not too far off when the government isn't going to mean diddly squat (I think that's what they are so afraid of). New types of communities will rise, new paradigms will be lived through, a new way of thinking, living, and voting will overcome the old system to create the future. It is happenning now.
There will come a day when everyone knows the truth about 9/11, and I believe when that day comes, it really won't matter much to our collective the crimes of these evil people; we will see it as the dying gasp of breath from the old school. We will be on to something better.
The day is coming, and we are creating it.
And as far as the wars committed in our names, with our tax dollars? What if a war was held and no one showed up to fight for it? That is the only real way we can end the occupation of Iraq and the so-called war on terror. The soldiers themselves must refuse to fight, they must desert. And for those that don't? Unfortunetly, they may die for a lost cause. After so many years, you just have to learn/know better.
anonymous idiot (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 2:16pm.
hey I'll be in DC all day Saturday and plan on bringing flyers/dvds with me. Any suggestions of targets? We're going to have cameras too and be all over the place talking to folks, especially police and others asking them for their views.
Many deniers really have a way of twisting things around. They even tend to know evidence that the average Truther might not. We can use their evidence to strenghen our side!
the towers fell, and the lies spread
there were no hijackers, an inside job
the invisible air force...no questions asked
a rubber stamp for endless war
perpetual fear has control mechanism...maybe it's all bunk
hold me help me, give me the eyes to see
hold me, help me, we are the enemy
the weels dry up, the kill off begins
distraction and disinformation allow the elite to prevail
ghettos swell, while gated communities become fortresses ...
Veritas (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 3:42pm.
'would u really want to know'... to be honest, no.
Suffice to say that the two towers collapsed and dismembered
your fellow countrymen.. and if there is only doubt as to who did it,
you owe it to the victims to find out who did it.
>* * * Shanksville Crater Oddity * * *
>Where did all the dirt go???
Very good point. Imagine the Shanksville crash had happened on a normal day in peacetime, without the smokescreen of WTC&Pentagon attacks.
Like Lockerbie or TWA800!
They would never have gotten away with this cover-story!! But since the WTC collapsed, all the rest of hit 'dwarfed', and 'didn't matter' all of a sudden anymore, like a 47 story NYC scyscraper - who cares?
I know why David Kubiak and John Judge and Kyle Hence and Nick Levis and Carol Brouillet and Bob Bowman and Jim Hoffman and Mark Robinowitz and Michael Wolsey and Fran Shure and Mike Rivero and Barrie Zwicker and other misleaders of the fake big 911 truth movement don't get it, but what is everyone else's excuse? Prozac?
How could there have been a big meeting in Chicago just a few weeks after the government (re-)released the government-lie-breaking Pentagon video evidence, without that having become the iconic headline, unless the movement was fake and/or had been hijacked by people who don't want the world to ever wake up and realize that we cannot believe the government when it tells us that it was hijacked civilian Boeing passenger airliners which hit the buildings on 9/11?
How can the Chicago convention possibly be deemed a "success", except possibly as a social gathering?
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911blimp (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 7:21pm.
>the movement was fake and/or had >been hijacked by people
C'mon. The problem with the Pentagon footage is you can't tell. And it's just too dangerous to make a definite prediction what happened there. The damned thing is also these eyewitnesses that say they saw a 757.
WTC7 is much much better of a smoking gun. It's just false, just IMPOSSIBLE, just plain a LIE that it collapsed from fire. It's like Bush is telling the world the earth is flat, again and again, CNN covers it, every M$M covers it, and soon nobody dares to dispute him anymore, and accepts the earth to be FLAT, and once you dare to dispute it, you are a TRAITOR, unpatriotic, because G.W.Bush IS America.
'Pentagate' believers should unite with the truth movement. The real disinformation danger is led by Daniel Hopsicker. Look up his information. He's coming up with a new cover-story to save Bush's/Cheney's butts. And guess what, just recently (i posted it), he now plainly attacked the truth movement as being 'financed by Al-Qaeda' - so much for Mr Hopsicker, so much for a REAL TRAITOR.
"Hey, I'm new to the movement. I'm always asked by people, "what can we do?" I want to give them the best answer. Can someone point me somewhere? I think all of us need 'something' to do."
A very interesting thing happened in the VA Senate primary. One candidate, Harris Miller, originally the favored candidate of the Democratic establishment, complained of anti-semitism in the other candidates campaign literature. The other candidate, James Webb, replied that it wasn't antisemitic, sorry if anyone thought it was and that was the end of it!
This is something brand new. Webb wasn't put through hell over a cartoon depicting his Jewish opponent with a hooked nose and money coming out of his pockets and he got endorsements from Kerry, Schumer and 7 other Democratic senators. "The thing is, they want to win, and they know Harris Miller won't come close," Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd said.
Harris Miller was for the Iraq War and Webb was against it from the start. Miller got the endorsement of the pro-Iraq War Washington Post. The anti-semitism charge fell flat and Webb won the primary by a solid margin. This is a new wrinkle in politics.
"I know why David Kubiak and John Judge and Kyle Hence and Nick Levis and Carol Brouillet and Bob Bowman and Jim Hoffman and Mark Robinowitz and Michael Wolsey and Fran Shure and Mike Rivero and Barrie Zwicker and other misleaders of the fake big 911 truth movement don't get it, but what is everyone else's excuse?"
You are utterly insane. NO ONE in this movement is "Perfect", but I'll be damned if I know who within the movement 911blimp finds acceptable.
Carol Brouillet? Michael Wolsey? Bob Bowman? Barrie Zwicker? "Misleaders of the fake 911 truth movement"?
You are utterly insane.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 10:38pm.
I'll never forget the first harassing phone call I got from 911blimp (Dave). All he could talk about was how disingenuous John Judge was for not mentioning the incorrectly time stamped Pentagon footage in the "9/11 Omissions Dossier". As if the work John had done on the stand down, the Anthrax Attacks, the conflicts of interest within the Commission, etc... weren't worth a mention. As far as 911Blimp (Dave) is concerned, the Pentagon footage is all the evidence we need to prove complicity. Even though it doesn't.
Why don't you ask 911blimp who within the movement he actually respects. I guarantee he will refuse to answer that question.
Jon Gold (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 10:46pm.
On Richard A. Grove's blog, he had some interesting articles about WTC steel being stolen from the site by the NYC mafia. Police tracked it down and 'raided' scrapyards to get hold of the steel.
- another oddity: Nobody cares about the $800mil insured WTC7 coming down mysteriously, but 'scrap' steel of $1 or $2 mil. value leads to police raids. Giuliani...
Soon to be avialable on Amazon.com
Debunking 9/11 Myths : Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts
If you have an amazon.com account please go over and discuss the issue
Yizzo | 06.16.06 - 10:20 am | #
the forward is by John Mccain.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH, what a stupid, stupid man.
Chris (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 11:18pm.
and to think John Mccain was once one of the few republicans i thought had any sense. look at the bastard now, hes more shameless than ever.first he forgives Bush and Rove for calling him insane and saying he has an illegitimate child, then he cozys up to the hardcore religious right like Dobson, now hes trying to cover-up 9/11.somebody sold his soul......
Chris (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 11:22pm.
Jon, that was an incredible letter. Really incredible. I hope you send it out and supply some more links at the bottom saying: please just look into this and come to your own judgement, this the result of years of research, if you believe it was a crime perpetrated by elements of our own government, than your duty is bring those responsible to justice and protect our constitution.
Radical Pragmatist (not verified) on Fri, 06/16/2006 - 11:26pm.
>Debunking 9/11 Myths : Why >Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up >to the Facts
No need to read it. The word 'Myth' in it's title is both a defamatory accusation and a pure LIE.
About McCain i was hoping either he or other Reps. that had so far not commented on 9/11 would at least say nothing. At least say 'let's investigate', but outright attacking the truth, defending a LIE that someone else made up...unbelievable.
F--- McCain. Way to stand up for your wife after a smear campaign and going back to swinging from Dubya's sack. I think Truthers need to bombard this idiot with an email campaign.
While he seemed to have the courage to fly F4s into Hanoi, now he's a coward when something might lead to the GOP's destruction, a diplomatic crisis, etc.
- the only good thing about it: they are obviously on the run, trying to stop the momentum. 9/11 truth is spreading...
- the only good thing about it: they are obviously on the run, trying to stop the momentum. 9/11 truth is spreading...
Greg | Homepage | 06.16.06 - 11:15 am | #
exactly, they are afraid of how they will be seen when the shit finally hits the fan and people realize they were complicit in the crime of the century.thats why people like Mckinney will be seen as heros someday.in a just world.
Chris (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 12:17am.
From all appearances virtually all the people in both houses of congress have sold there souls. There is so much evidence out there {about 911}how it can be ignorned is trully astonishing.
Our government seems to be hopelessly broken and without diriection. I really just don't get it.
Bill Owens (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 12:25am.
"C'mon. The problem with the Pentagon footage is you can't tell. And it's just too dangerous to make a definite prediction what happened there. The damned thing is also these eyewitnesses that say they saw a 757."
I know, Greg, but the gov'y shouldn't get a free pass on this either.
Those recently-released videos at the Pentagon did NOT look like a Boeing 757! Enlargements/blowups really look like a military plane, with a cockpit on top & towards the middle of the craft, very unlike a B-757.
But seriousley, If Mcain adds his name to this book, this could be an excellent opportunity to bring this in to the mainstream. He is one of the front GOP presidential canidates and has opened the gates with writing the introduction to this book. Now 'what really happened on 911" is a legitmate and important question!!!!!!!
Lets Pounce with intelligence, accuracy and indisputable facts!!!!!!!
I wonder what Mr. Stewart would have to say about this? He just bashed him for speaking at Bob Jones.......We all need to send this and , "say now its an issue, check out these facts, talk to these people...ect."
Radical Pragmatist (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 1:01am.
Dan Rather probably knows all about 9/11.the guy is too old to fall for all the bullshit. sort of like how Walter Cronkite said that Rove was behind the Bin Laden tapes.a lot of these old dudes know whats up i think.Rather made the comment on Palasts show that if he really reported on everything he knows, he would have a flaming tire put around his neck, or something along those lines.and remember, it was Rather that originally said about WTC7 that it "looked like a controlled demolition". that said, i dont think Rather has ever gone on record about specific questions about 9/11.
"Declaring that the United States will prevail in the Global War on Terror, the struggle to protect freedom from the terrorist adversary."
Puke. Hey, why don't we pass a resolution declaring ourselves not dependent on oil?
Benonymous Rex | 06.16.06 - 12:06 pm | #
Orwell indeed rolls in his grave with phrases like that.disgusting.
No, that's not in it... as far as the WTC goes... there's a family member asking, "How did those buildings fall in 10 seconds" followed by some footage of WTC7, and then mention of the NIST report not coming up with a conclusive reason as to why WTC7 fell, etc...
Jon Gold (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 1:12am.
"I know why David Kubiak and John Judge and Kyle Hence and Nick Levis and Carol Brouillet and Bob Bowman and Jim Hoffman and Mark Robinowitz and Michael Wolsey and Fran Shure and Mike Rivero and Barrie Zwicker and other misleaders of the fake big 911 truth movement don't get it, but what is everyone else's excuse?"
You are utterly insane. NO ONE in this movement is "Perfect", but I'll be damned if I know who within the movement 911blimp finds acceptable.
Carol Brouillet? Michael Wolsey? Bob Bowman? Barrie Zwicker? "Misleaders of the fake 911 truth movement"?
You are utterly insane.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.16.06 - 9:43 am | #
He has finally shown his colors...we had the suspicion when he first started his BS.
But now there can be no doubt left. He is not here to push the truth. he is here strictly to muddy the waters with misinfo, disinfo.
plus, he forgot to Alex Jones, Dr Jones, DRG.
c'mom 911blimp these fakers need to be outed too!!!
everything he says is now suspect.... EVERYTHING!!!!!!
of course to some it already was. this just removes any remaining doubt
rayrayjones (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 1:16am.
Kirk, I was just wondering the same thing about Dan Rather while watching What's The Truth yesterday. It had been a long time since I had actually heard his comments while watching WTC 7 fall, probably the first time I've heard them since my eyes have been open to the official story being a pack of lies. I suspect the "Rathergate" nonsense from '04 was probably an effort to make sure he kept his mouth shut.
Makes my heart sink, kind of like when I watched 9/11 Eyewitness Hoboken a month or two ago and, for the first time, heard the explosions preceding the collapses.
Benonymous Rex (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 1:17am.
I heard something about CBS not going to renew Dan Rather's contract yesterday. Could this be more retribution for his 9/11 truth remarks?
On another topic:
And as far as the wars committed in our names, with our tax dollars? What if a war was held and no one showed up to fight for it? That is the only real way we can end the occupation of Iraq and the so-called war on terror. The soldiers themselves must refuse to fight, they must desert. And for those that don't? Unfortunetly, they may die for a lost cause. After so many years, you just have to learn/know better.
I don't really know what to think about soldiers in Iraq. I guess they're "just following orders", but if they were a bit smarter, all this couldn't happen. The military utilizes 18 & 19-year-olds because they've got mature bodies but very immature minds.
R.P., McCain deserves any & all attacks he gets! How does a man survive the whole "Vietman experience", become a middle-aged Senator, & incite the entire thing all over again in Iraq (and Afghanistan)?
>with a cockpit on top & towards the >middle of the craft, very unlike a B->757.
my guessing is, too, that the Pentagon-757 is a big lie. But it shouldn't be stated as a fact unless we can be sure they're not playing games with us by distributing fake video frames. WTC7 however is a sure thing, unless the earth is indeed flat.
Noone should be demonized for any theory. Reopen911.org, the site of W.Rodriquez for example has the no-plane theory - but does anyone doubt he's genuine? No. So let's not attack it as long as it's not serving to disinform and attack others views.
The U.S. government has sued the New Jersey Attorney General's office on grounds of security concerns to prevent it from asking telephone companies if they gave customer call records to the National Security Agency.
The government wants to stop the disclosure of confidential and sensitive information, according to the lawsuit filed in Trenton, New Jersey on Wednesday, a day before phone companies were due to reply to subpoenas issued by the New Jersey attorney general.
"Compliance with the subpoenas issued by those officers would first place the carriers in a position of having to confirm or deny the existence of information that cannot be confirmed or denied without causing exceptionally grave harm to national security," the lawsuit said.
you have to remember(and im not making excuses for them,because i too am conflicted about what to think of the soldiers fighting in Iraq) but they are deluged with propaganda daily, they get nothing but Rush Limbaugh and Fox News over there. they are told constantly that Iraq has something to do with terrorism and "the war on terror".they are told daily that they are making us safer.this is no excuse for not being informed,but many of these people are just young guys like myself that have nothing else to do BUT go in the military.not everyone has parents that can or will pay for them to go to college.i owe so much money,i may HAVE to go in the military.i want to serve my country, but knowing what i know, i dont know if i could do that, and that enrages me.its a catch 22, and i honestly dont blame any of the soldiers serving in Iraq for this farce that is the "war on terror".i blame the men behind the curtain.the ones that really profit from war.its not really about being smart,many times its pure desperation. i may just have to serve in the military because i have no choice.i owe a lot of money to this fucking government and corrupt health system. would you blame me for Iraq if i decided to serve? many of these people serving have almost no choice, they came up in life poor and didnt get the same oppurtunities as some.please dont blame them.if they had more of a choice, many of them wouldnt be in Iraq.and oh yeah, ban blimp already.
R.P., McCain deserves any & all attacks he gets! How does a man survive the whole "Vietman experience", become a middle-aged Senator, & incite the entire thing all over again in Iraq (and Afghanistan)?
Anonymous
I agree he deserves "any + all attacks he gets". I was talking about 'tactics' in getting the questions about 911 into the mainstream. If we simply atack him personally (I'm not talking about blogs, I'm talking about in the public forum) they will ignore our legitimate questions and facts and turn it into the outrageous political personal debate which our MSM is so found of, and which conveniently hides the real political and power games behind the political theatre called 'politics' in this country.
I'm not in this to feel righteous, thats too easy in this climate. I'm in this to expose the Truth of 911 and our goverments complicity to everyone, so we can hold them responsible and stop the maddness of this corrupt system.
This is a great opportunity that we need to plan for and respond early or we will be ignored as 'crazy' and the MSM talking heads and political think tanks will control the direction of this debate (which is really no debate) and we will be left discussing our righteous theories of the 'magic bullet' to our grandchildren in the new United States of Corporate Fascism.
" If you new all of this why didn't you do anything to stop it, Grandpa?"
Actually, on second thought, since no one got the quote from Blazing Saddles.....my respect for this movement is on shaky ground at the moment. Smile.
Radical Pragmatist (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 1:54am.
Does anyone else here feel like it's just dragging on too long for the truth to become widespread? It is very frustrating being around people who are just oblivious or just don't want to hear the truth. Does anyone here ever feel really frustrated about all of this?
truthsearching2006 (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 2:07am.
I was saving this for a new thread because this thread is so old, but it's worth reading if you wonder how the truth is having an effect on people in government and the military.
truthsearching2006, hold on bud, i'm not sure what point on the curve we are on, but the slope is getting steaper, and we're almost at the critical point. Hopefully it's a maximum.
anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 2:16am.
I was saving this for a new thread because this thread is so old, but it's worth reading if you wonder how the truth is having an effect on people in government and the military.
Itsaputon's link "...And as has been argued here before, that probably stems from the fact that there is strong underground support for the paper's findings, including its assertion that the disastrous decision to invade Iraq came partly out of pro-Israel pressure. Yes, that's hard to talk about..."
Yes, it is long past due that we shed NO MORE BLOOD & NO MORE WARS FOR ISRAEL!
truthsearching2006,
i find that this movement is draining me. I think of this stuff every waking hour... even when I cut the grass I'm STILL comprehending what it means to me to accept all of this as truth.
it's frustrating, scary, and depressing.
on a more uplifting note, I stuck a truth movement flyer on a bulletin board at work today. we'll see how long it lasts.
truthsearching2006
"even when I cut the grass I'm STILL comprehending what it means to me to accept all of this as truth.
it's frustrating, scary, and depressing."
You aren't doing enough to spread the truth or you aren't seeing the big picture.
You will not notice the difference spreading the truth makes until the enemy has been defeated. Now, get to work.
Itsaputon (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 2:23am.
Chris -- I would consider bankruptcy way, way before the military (unless your debt is student loans.) It's still possible, and not the end of the world.
DHS -- nice teeshirt design!
casseia (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 2:25am.
You aren't doing enough to spread the truth or you aren't seeing the big picture.
You will not notice the difference spreading the truth makes until the enemy has been defeated. Now, get to work.
Itsaputon
Cut me some slack. I'm surrounded by conservatives. I converted one, but it's a rough battle. And I agree though. There's so much more I can do.
I would have made a horrible founding father.
thats why im still here actually, but i was just trying to make the point that you shouldnt blame the soldiers for the Iraq war.sadly, this country will always produce enough poor desperate people to die for them.
Thanks for the supportive commments, Anonymous and anonymous....;-)
Like everyone here, I want to see the truth come out, justice be done, and our planet evolve to a higher state.
Like Anonymous, it's rare for me to find distraction to take my mind off of this subject. But, for a healthy life, I need to at least try to take breaks from it. But oftentimes it's damn hard.
I've contemplated starting a local group here for support and for action that might help me and others deal with this awareness better. Life seemed definitely easier when I was in the dark about the real stories behind 9/11.
But it seems that once the "scales fall from one's eyes", one cannot go back. And, every devious line that comes out of the mouths of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, the Republicans and many Democrats, gives that much more credence to governmental complicity to the acts on 9/11.
truthsearching2006 (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 2:33am.
I very much like the idea of us truthers making John McCainÂ’s forward in that new 9/11 truth-denial book come back to bite him on the ass!
Anonymous | 06.16.06 - 1:38 pm | #
me too, but dont forget that son of a bitch Rudy. the man was directly involved in the cover-up and he wants to be our president.that cant happen.
Life seemed definitely easier when I was in the dark about the real stories behind 9/11.
Damn, you got that right, brother!
But it seems that once the "scales fall from one's eyes", one cannot go back. And, every devious line that comes out of the mouths of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, the Republicans and many Democrats, gives that much more credence to governmental complicity to the acts on 9/11.
Right-on again!
Dan Rather launched his career by lying about the Zapruder film. He was one of the few people allowed to see it early on, and he reported that JFK's head moved violently 'forward' when shot. So I think we know who's been buttering his bread all this time. Don't expect anything good from him.
Johnson (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 2:37am.
Aside from Dan Rather, we can't forget about Peter Jennings' comments while WTC 1 & 2 fell.
But Jennings' was suddenly stricken with cancer and is no longer with us.
Oh, let's not forget about Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson, always the loud mouth ranting about corrupt government officials and their acts against this country, see Loose Change Edition 2 for his narrative in the opening sequence.
Unfortunately, he is no longer with us either, he committed suicide.
I think Carl Bernstein has made subtle references to 9/11 as well.
Who else is among the most popular of journalists to have shed some light of truth onto 9/11?
I hope they're still alive and in good health.
Cloak & Swagger (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 2:38am.
Slack given Chris! But don't remain ignorant of our history of great comedy and fantastic film quotes.
Radical Pragmatist | 06.16.06 - 1:11 pm | #
"I neva fucked anybody over in my life, who didn't have it comin' to 'im, you got that? All I have in this world is my balls, and my word, and I don't break 'em for no one, jou understand?" hahaha, too typical? i love when movies are unintentionally funny though. like all of Scarface.haha.
The founding fathers had a more receptive crowd. But seriously, the more you learn not only about 9/11, but how it fits with what's happening in the entire world and think about where it's all headed, that should make you happy. Because this whole world is acting based on a big lie and a house of cards is going to crash it's just a matter of when.
Itsaputon (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 2:42am.
How are you going to live with yourself after that?
Anonymous | 06.16.06 - 1:46 pm | #
your not poor are you? your parents paid your way into college didnt they? dont judge me mother fucker.
sorry, that was harsh, but seriously, dont assume that i would do something like that even if i did choose to serve.like i said, some people have no other choice but to go into the military.dont blame the troops for the real killers choices.
Dan Rather, at the time an unknown newscaster from a small market Texas TV station, viewed the Zapruder film, then described it to America on the CBS network. As this recording of that broadcast shows, Rather lied to all of America in claiming that the head shot pushed John F. Kennedy's head forward. Rather's meteoric rise to network status and stardom soon followed. When the Zapruder film was finally shown publicly, during Jim Garrison's trial of CIA agent Clay Shaw, Rather's lie was revealed for all to see. Sound file provided by www.warrencommission.com.
Has anyone noticed that since Bush took power, respectable vetaran news anchors such as Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, Koppel, etc have been disappearing off the face of television? Anyone know what's up with that?
Well, most Republicans as well as 42 Democrats have decided to keep the U.S. in Iraq.
And 9/11 and the "War On Terror" were all apart of the rhetoric to reach this decision.
respectable vetaran news anchors such as Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, Koppel,....LOL LOL
They have been SHILLS thier whole careers
peace,pw
Dan Rather's "fib"
Dan Rather, at the time an unknown newscaster from a small market Texas TV station, viewed the Zapruder film, then described it to America on the CBS network. As this recording of that broadcast shows, Rather lied to all of America in claiming that the head shot pushed John F. Kennedy's head forward. Rather's meteoric rise to network status and stardom soon followed. When the Zapruder film was finally shown publicly, during Jim Garrison's trial of CIA agent Clay Shaw, Rather's lie was revealed for all to see. Sound file provided by www.warrencommission.com.
Yeh while I'm trying not to get ahead of myself, I'm almost certain they all wanted to move on to do something else related to television because of their old age and experience. Part of me wants to believe that they had quit over their refusal to comply with the bush administration and become part of the propaganda machine because they have too much respect and integrity as honest anchors as themselves. They didnt want to stoop as low as geraldo rivera whose popularity has emerged since bush took power by spewing info that they know aren't true. I recalled jennings as being the most rebellious of all news anchor, unfortunately he had passed away...or maybe killed...I don't know....
If there's really support for 9/11 skepticism with any news anchor or candidate, we shall see this between the lines of what they say.
By that i mean when one just says nothing on 9/11 truth, he could be just doing this for p.c. and not to be called crazy and off mainstream, but as time progresses...
McCain is outed a liar now with a defense for the ommission commission cover-story, a commission he helped create.
But think of what John Kerry said about terrorism and 9/11. I'm not seeing him to support the cover-up actively. He recently said him voting for the Iraq war was wrong, and about terrorism he said it should be a nuisance, instead of a global war. So between the lines...
Did Hillary Clinton attend the Bilderberg Meeting? http://www.infowars.com/ articles..._bilderberg.htm
Cloak & Swagger
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Hey - as long as she's paid up her dues, she's entitled. : )
Rumpl4skn (not verified) on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 3:54am.
Chris, I'm a lot older than you. I'm just trying to show you what you may be getting yourself into. (Go work at McDonald's for Christ's sake.)
Anonymous | 06.16.06 - 1:54 pm | #
you and.....
Chris they don't ask you to do vile things they just put you in a situation where you're forced to choose between living and doing something vile.
Itsaputon | 06.16.06 - 1:56 pm | #
you dont know me or my situation.
Chris, you're naive at best. On one hand you purport to be extremely liberal. On the other, you say you may well join the military. Do you expect to be stationed in Hawaii or in Switzerland?
IMO, unless your daddy is head of NSA or CIA, youÂ’re going to find yourself carrying a machine gun in the middle of a big fucking disaster in Iraq or Iran.
how lucky for you "Anonymous", that you dont have to make hard desicions because your life is literally in danger of falling apart. im only 23 and i owe more money than you probably make in a year.(these kinds of things happen when you dont have healthcare and you end up in the hospital.thats reality.)my options are probably a bit more limited than yours. i could end up on the streets at any time. how lucky for you "Anonymous" that you dont face desicions like the ones i have.but im just a naive 23 year old right? i wish you could spend 1 fucking month in my shoes you Anonymous coward.
I came across a new "investigation" of WTC7 and its an absolute joke of a whitewash,released in the fall,October i would say to coincide with the election in the US.
No Chance of Truth in WTC-7 Investigation
Quote:Contractually, ARA is restrained to research likely modes of failure only for floors 8 to 46. This is critical to the plan for the federal government to cover-up the controlled demolition that any footage of the collapse of WTC-7 clearly demonstrates because controlled demolition most often occurs in the basement and first few floors of a building, with gravity doing the rest of the work.
Apologies if posted before/old news (just click on homepage for the full article).
so obviously if i chose to join the military, it wouldnt be because of politics(your dumbass comment about how liberals cant join the military).it would be out of desperation, like many of the soldiers that are in Iraq now. but go ahead, blame the poor for the war, dont blame the real killers.
Holy shit, relax already! If you owe hospital bills, that's a civil matter not criminal. Claim bankruptcy or agree to a small payment plan or something.
Look, do whatever you feel you must do, kid. I'm not trying to antagonize you. My advice is just explore every avenue before making a 4-year commitment to the military, especially in these days of grave uncertainty.
Best of luck in whatever happens with you & keep us posted.
sorry, but i dont take kindly to some "Anonymous" person on the internet calling me naive when he knows nothing about me or my life.the military would be a last resort for me, but like i said, we dont all have the same options in life.this isnt exactly a perfect class system we got going here.
> "Declaring that the United States will prevail in the Global War on Terror,"
Well, easy. No need to puke.
Just take them by the word.
Eliminate all terror..
foreign OR DOMESTIC
I think thats a noble task.. much like globalisation.
We need to globalise welfare and justice. There should be no borders for people... just like there are no borders for rich people.
You kiddies here too often fall for the simple rethoric. You take the doctrinal system for granted. But its a thin veneer. All you have to do is LISTEN TO CHOMSKY mp3. After a few years you get it. Not earlier, sadly, because the propagande sits deep.. very very deep. It was designed that way.
BTW, your subconscious knows all this. Thats why films like MATRIX (1) are so appealing. If there was no insidious propaganda and mind-fuck.. you would wonder what the fuck everyone was raving about.
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/ has a new Chomsky interview.... its a good tool to restore sanity... whether YOU THINK YOU are awake/aware/QuickWit ... or not.
In fact, i'd better not visit this site anymore, join the NSA, and in 5 years I'll let all of you know what's really going on. BTW - Who is our presidential candidate? I'll bypass the NSA, and go for the top spot. At least it'd give some press to the movement, right?
thanks Frank.
thanks Frank.
Cheney announces today that
Cheney announces today that GOP will win elections in November... guess they've got the cheating ... oops, I mean Voting Machines all lined up.
I get dicouraged. Some days I feel determined to FIGHT. Other days it seems like the evil machine is just too big to fight.
Collectively, we can stay strong !!
I know, I'm gonna look like
I know, I'm gonna look like a rawstory.com cheerleader today, but they're on fire.
One of their headlines today deals with prominent neocon by the name of Michael Ledeen, who's come under fire for possibly having some involvement in the Niger Yellow Cake forgeries scandal. Ledeen's recent activity in Rome with some Iranian arms dealers has raised some eyebrows yet again since it is very reminicent of his activity in the lead up the war with Iraq. Really interesting developments here. full article: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_confirms_Iranian_directorate_...
Also, The Pentagon Talking Points Document for War:
"The 74 page document seems to be an election year guide for Republicans and Democratic supporters of the war, with many of the "points" seeming to be rebuttals to arguments made by opponents of the war." Of course, they tried to recall it, but why would they do such a thing???
read it all here: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pentagon_recalls_war_talking_points_do...
Did Hillary Clinton attend
Did Hillary Clinton attend the Bilderberg Meeting?
http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/bilderberg_hillary_attend_bilderber...
" Rumsfield gives an
"
Rumsfield gives an emotional speech about 9/11." listed on comcast.net homepage
wow...these guys got balls...big monkey balls
if anybody has comcast.net please look at that pathetic sack of shit and tell me where is the emotion
OK, 911blogger comment
OK, 911blogger comment recidivists, what do you make of this?
http://www.spiritone.com/~pazuu/pow-mia/GTCMBushwhacked.htm
OK, 911blogger comment
OK, 911blogger comment recidivists, what do you make of this?
http://www.spiritone.com/~pazuu/ ...Bushwhacked.htm
reprehensor | Homepage | 06.15.06 - 10:45 pm | #
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Scares the bejeezus outta me :(
Dear Police, And Military
Dear Police, And Military Personnel...
Hope you all don't mind a
Hope you all don't mind a little repost here re: Flying a Plane Into the World Trade Center? Why Not Fly Out of LaGuardia?
A key reason why the "hijackers" (sure, they really flew those planes, LOL) traveled via Maine to Boston was so that Atta's incriminating luggage could conveniently fall into the governmentÂ’s hands.
Because the flight from Portland to Boston was delayed, AttaÂ’s bags did not make it onto AA11. When later found by the gov't, they contained airline uniforms, flight manuals, and a four-page document in Arabic, copies of which were also found with the terrorists of the other three planes (how did they survive the crashes?). It contains a list of instructions, such as "make an oath to die and renew your intentions," "you should feel complete tranquility, because the time between you and your marriage in heaven is very short," "check your weapon before you leave and long before you leave. You must make your knife sharp and you must not discomfort your animal during the slaughter." What b.s.
Furthermore, UA93 flew out of Newark, NJ; merely 10 miles from the WTC!!! So why didn't Atta & the others who were to hit the towers fly out of Newark???
What about AA77 flying out of Dulles Int'l in D.C.??? Lax security there too???
Lastly, a couple of Arab Mafioso-looking dudes are going to be much more conspicuous in small Maine airport than in a NYC airport.
Reprehensor, I remember
Reprehensor,
I remember reading about this about 2 weeks ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/02/AR200606...
Prison Planet did a follow up with other sources to support claims that another false flag operation will happen this summer.
BTW, I thought captain May was MIA.
Song: Better keep an eYE on
Song: Better keep an eYE on him
“Mohamed Atta and
“Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari drove a rental car two hours north from Boston to stay at a hotel in South Portland on the night before the attacks. On Sept. 11, 2001, they barely caught their commuter flight back to Boston's Logan International Airport, where they just made their connection with the jet they would later crash into the World Trade Center's north tower. emphasis added
Yeah, two super-Jihadist masterminds at work. Running around like Keystone Cops & nearly missing 2 flights making it impossible to complete the mission they had planned over 5+ years. And AttaÂ’s (planted) luggage didnÂ’t even make it, so he screwed up big time, especially if the mission had been cancelled that day.
http://www.mainetoday.com/9-11/2003/030911terrorists.shtml
Not very reassuring Frank.
Not very reassuring Frank.
Blinded by the Light
Blinded by the Light
Remember these songs? Feed
Remember these songs?
Feed The World
We Are The World
Salon has a front page
Salon has a front page article on google news right now:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/16/iraq_debate/index_np.html
Resolved: America great! Bin Laden evil! Go Bush!
Not even the inventor of "freedom fries" could stand to be present at the GOP-controlled Congress's absurd "debate" over Iraq.
By Michael Scherer
Rep. Walter Jones, the North Carolina Republican who invented the phrase "Freedom Fries," invited me into his Capitol Hill office Thursday morning, a cluttered space festooned from floor to ceiling with military memorabilia, Pentagon plaques and photographs of soldiers. Then he pulled out an e-mail he had recently received from an Army captain who served in Iraq.
The email quoted another American soldier serving in Iraq, a voice that Jones wanted people to hear. "Tell all those assholes in D.C. to get us the f--- out of here. This is bullshit," Jones said, reading from the email, but choosing not to pronounce the f-word in full. "Either that or tell them to tell Bush to send over the twins. They can bunk with me. That would be useful."
Where are those guys now?
Where are those guys now?
The singers...
The singers...
Oh I see we're uploading
Oh I see we're uploading songs tonight!
Here's my contribution:
Lives in the Balance
"We are the world, we are
"We are the world, we are the children, we are the ones who make a brighter day, so let's start giving, there's a choice we're making, we're saving our own lives, it's true we make a better day, just you and me."
Supper's Ready
Supper's Ready
Not sure if anyone missed
Not sure if anyone missed this: Nature of the Beast by Sheila Samples (May 31 2006) http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/30890
This video has been posted
This video has been posted here before but for those who havn't seen it have a look. Just amazing!
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12018.htm
"Dear Police, And Military
"Dear Police, And Military Personnel...
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.15.06 - 11:03 pm | # "
Excellent, moving, hard-hitting piece.
Wow ...
"Excellent, moving,
"Excellent, moving, hard-hitting piece.
Wow ..."
Thanks.
Hey, I'm new to the
Hey, I'm new to the movement. I'm always asked by people, "what can we do?" I want to give them the best answer. Can someone point me somewhere? I think all of us need 'something' to do.
One Song
One Song
Awright, culture jam! I'll
Awright, culture jam! I'll catch up on these, and type at y'all later.
Soft metal song: This is the summer of protest
Hi "like I'd say", "what
Hi "like I'd say",
"what can we do?"
"Educate ourselves and others."
That's a motto from a nice graphic at the end of a David Ray Griffin-at-Madison DVD, and about sums it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOjWtrKSHe4&eurl=
I was reading about how
I was reading about how expensive the Chicago conference was. (Must be a heck of a lot cheaper to get DRG & other truthers onto a few stages here & there.)
I wonder if anyone (say, Jimmy Walter) could afford some 9/11 "info-mercials" on tv? Even if it has to be 2:00 or 3:00 a.m., some people would still be watching. (Perhaps 9/11 books/DVDs could be sold, and donations could be solicited during the infomercial.)
Unfortunetly, I think we've
Unfortunetly, I think we've reach the point in history that our present system of democracy is dead. It died in the 2000 election, and it ain't gonna be brought back to life, not without a reincarnation, at least.
Fortunetly, I think The People will rise above the present situation to create the future, just as the founding fathers' did when they created this country. The difference is that we are not creating a revolution by force, but rather through the internet (yes, you are the revolution!) The time is not too far off when the government isn't going to mean diddly squat (I think that's what they are so afraid of). New types of communities will rise, new paradigms will be lived through, a new way of thinking, living, and voting will overcome the old system to create the future. It is happenning now.
There will come a day when everyone knows the truth about 9/11, and I believe when that day comes, it really won't matter much to our collective the crimes of these evil people; we will see it as the dying gasp of breath from the old school. We will be on to something better.
The day is coming, and we are creating it.
And as far as the wars committed in our names, with our tax dollars? What if a war was held and no one showed up to fight for it? That is the only real way we can end the occupation of Iraq and the so-called war on terror. The soldiers themselves must refuse to fight, they must desert. And for those that don't? Unfortunetly, they may die for a lost cause. After so many years, you just have to learn/know better.
hey I'll be in DC all day
hey I'll be in DC all day Saturday and plan on bringing flyers/dvds with me. Any suggestions of targets? We're going to have cameras too and be all over the place talking to folks, especially police and others asking them for their views.
Sometimes 9/11 deniars can
Sometimes 9/11 deniars can be helpful:
Many deniers really have a way of twisting things around. They even tend to know evidence that the average Truther might not. We can use their evidence to strenghen our side!
Take a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Huysman/911_conspiracism
Speaking about soldiers
Speaking about soldiers refusing to fight ,I wonder what would happen if enough soldiers started hearing about the 9 11 truth?
Layla: tried to open up a
Layla:
tried to open up a coast guard guy once...
he watched EGLS, he then wrote to me
"in the movie it asks, 'would u really want to know'... to be honest, no."
i think thats the mindset.
You guys gotta listen to
You guys gotta listen to this, if you haven't heard it already...
http://rapidshare.de/files/23186119/14_snog_vs._the_faecal_juggernaut_of...
"A Hymn For The Fascist Republic" by Snog
the towers fell, and the lies spread
there were no hijackers, an inside job
the invisible air force...no questions asked
a rubber stamp for endless war
perpetual fear has control mechanism...maybe it's all bunk
hold me help me, give me the eyes to see
hold me, help me, we are the enemy
the weels dry up, the kill off begins
distraction and disinformation allow the elite to prevail
ghettos swell, while gated communities become fortresses ...
* * * Shanksville Crater
* * * Shanksville Crater Oddity * * *
Where did all the dirt go???
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6430
'would u really want to
'would u really want to know'... to be honest, no.
Suffice to say that the two towers collapsed and dismembered
your fellow countrymen.. and if there is only doubt as to who did it,
you owe it to the victims to find out who did it.
>* * * Shanksville Crater
>* * * Shanksville Crater Oddity * * *
>Where did all the dirt go???
Very good point. Imagine the Shanksville crash had happened on a normal day in peacetime, without the smokescreen of WTC&Pentagon attacks.
Like Lockerbie or TWA800!
They would never have gotten away with this cover-story!! But since the WTC collapsed, all the rest of hit 'dwarfed', and 'didn't matter' all of a sudden anymore, like a 47 story NYC scyscraper - who cares?
What will it take (a
What will it take (a blimp??) for 911 truthers to recognize the fact that the Pentagon video released last month not only fails to show a 757, but reveals that whatever self-propelled flying object it doesn't quite show us is too small to be a 757 and thus the lying government has hoist itself by its own petard? (either the govt has always been lying about what hit the Pentagon or else it has committed a crime -- obstruction of justice into the worst crime in U.S. history -- by releasing bogus evidence, or both)
I know why David Kubiak and John Judge and Kyle Hence and Nick Levis and Carol Brouillet and Bob Bowman and Jim Hoffman and Mark Robinowitz and Michael Wolsey and Fran Shure and Mike Rivero and Barrie Zwicker and other misleaders of the fake big 911 truth movement don't get it, but what is everyone else's excuse? Prozac?
How could there have been a big meeting in Chicago just a few weeks after the government (re-)released the government-lie-breaking Pentagon video evidence, without that having become the iconic headline, unless the movement was fake and/or had been hijacked by people who don't want the world to ever wake up and realize that we cannot believe the government when it tells us that it was hijacked civilian Boeing passenger airliners which hit the buildings on 9/11?
How can the Chicago convention possibly be deemed a "success", except possibly as a social gathering?
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>the movement was fake
>the movement was fake and/or had >been hijacked by people
C'mon. The problem with the Pentagon footage is you can't tell. And it's just too dangerous to make a definite prediction what happened there. The damned thing is also these eyewitnesses that say they saw a 757.
WTC7 is much much better of a smoking gun. It's just false, just IMPOSSIBLE, just plain a LIE that it collapsed from fire. It's like Bush is telling the world the earth is flat, again and again, CNN covers it, every M$M covers it, and soon nobody dares to dispute him anymore, and accepts the earth to be FLAT, and once you dare to dispute it, you are a TRAITOR, unpatriotic, because G.W.Bush IS America.
'Pentagate' believers should unite with the truth movement. The real disinformation danger is led by Daniel Hopsicker. Look up his information. He's coming up with a new cover-story to save Bush's/Cheney's butts. And guess what, just recently (i posted it), he now plainly attacked the truth movement as being 'financed by Al-Qaeda' - so much for Mr Hopsicker, so much for a REAL TRAITOR.
do you know if someone is
do you know if someone is checking unusual trade patterns (ie, an abnormal number of put options and the like) today and during last week?
"Hey, I'm new to the
"Hey, I'm new to the movement. I'm always asked by people, "what can we do?" I want to give them the best answer. Can someone point me somewhere? I think all of us need 'something' to do."
Now That You Know, What Can You Do?
Veritas, good song, thanks!
Veritas, good song, thanks!
A very interesting thing
A very interesting thing happened in the VA Senate primary. One candidate, Harris Miller, originally the favored candidate of the Democratic establishment, complained of anti-semitism in the other candidates campaign literature. The other candidate, James Webb, replied that it wasn't antisemitic, sorry if anyone thought it was and that was the end of it!
http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/06/09/ap2805984.html
This is something brand new. Webb wasn't put through hell over a cartoon depicting his Jewish opponent with a hooked nose and money coming out of his pockets and he got endorsements from Kerry, Schumer and 7 other Democratic senators. "The thing is, they want to win, and they know Harris Miller won't come close," Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd said.
Harris Miller was for the Iraq War and Webb was against it from the start. Miller got the endorsement of the pro-Iraq War Washington Post. The anti-semitism charge fell flat and Webb won the primary by a solid margin. This is a new wrinkle in politics.
"I know why David Kubiak and
"I know why David Kubiak and John Judge and Kyle Hence and Nick Levis and Carol Brouillet and Bob Bowman and Jim Hoffman and Mark Robinowitz and Michael Wolsey and Fran Shure and Mike Rivero and Barrie Zwicker and other misleaders of the fake big 911 truth movement don't get it, but what is everyone else's excuse?"
You are utterly insane. NO ONE in this movement is "Perfect", but I'll be damned if I know who within the movement 911blimp finds acceptable.
Carol Brouillet? Michael Wolsey? Bob Bowman? Barrie Zwicker? "Misleaders of the fake 911 truth movement"?
You are utterly insane.
I'll never forget the first
I'll never forget the first harassing phone call I got from 911blimp (Dave). All he could talk about was how disingenuous John Judge was for not mentioning the incorrectly time stamped Pentagon footage in the "9/11 Omissions Dossier". As if the work John had done on the stand down, the Anthrax Attacks, the conflicts of interest within the Commission, etc... weren't worth a mention. As far as 911Blimp (Dave) is concerned, the Pentagon footage is all the evidence we need to prove complicity. Even though it doesn't.
Why don't you ask 911blimp who within the movement he actually respects. I guarantee he will refuse to answer that question.
I have heard stories about
I have heard stories about how 911blimp (Dave) has started email campaigns against members of the 9/11 Truth Movement within Colorado.
Who in their right mind actually takes the time to start campaigns AGAINST members of the 9/11 Truth Movement?
WHO?
911Blimp, Nico Haupt, Lisa Guliani, Victor Thorne, Eric Hufschmid, and a few others.
Sorry for the rant.
Sorry for the rant.
http://us.video.aol.com/video
http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=2&guideContext=65.491&pmmsi...
9-11 Thefts Not Prosecuted
>9-11 Thefts Not
>9-11 Thefts Not Prosecuted
On Richard A. Grove's blog, he had some interesting articles about WTC steel being stolen from the site by the NYC mafia. Police tracked it down and 'raided' scrapyards to get hold of the steel.
- another oddity: Nobody cares about the $800mil insured WTC7 coming down mysteriously, but 'scrap' steel of $1 or $2 mil. value leads to police raids. Giuliani...
Soon to be avialable on
Soon to be avialable on Amazon.com
Debunking 9/11 Myths : Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts
If you have an amazon.com account please go over and discuss the issue :)
Soon to be avialable on
Soon to be avialable on Amazon.com
Debunking 9/11 Myths : Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts
If you have an amazon.com account please go over and discuss the issue
Yizzo | 06.16.06 - 10:20 am | #
the forward is by John Mccain.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH, what a stupid, stupid man.
oh, and the book is by the
oh, and the book is by the editors of Popular Mechanics. oh jeez.
and to think John Mccain was
and to think John Mccain was once one of the few republicans i thought had any sense. look at the bastard now, hes more shameless than ever.first he forgives Bush and Rove for calling him insane and saying he has an illegitimate child, then he cozys up to the hardcore religious right like Dobson, now hes trying to cover-up 9/11.somebody sold his soul......
House Rejects Net
House Rejects Net Neutrality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ctfGSdlSPw&mode=suggested_all&search=
Jon, that was an incredible
Jon, that was an incredible letter. Really incredible. I hope you send it out and supply some more links at the bottom saying: please just look into this and come to your own judgement, this the result of years of research, if you believe it was a crime perpetrated by elements of our own government, than your duty is bring those responsible to justice and protect our constitution.
John McCain is a piece of
John McCain is a piece of shit.
Has anyone seen this M$M
Has anyone seen this M$M coverage yet:
http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headlines/story.aspx?content_id=AC3...
good finds Greg and Yizzo.
good finds Greg and Yizzo.
>Debunking 9/11 Myths : Why
>Debunking 9/11 Myths : Why >Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up >to the Facts
No need to read it. The word 'Myth' in it's title is both a defamatory accusation and a pure LIE.
About McCain i was hoping either he or other Reps. that had so far not commented on 9/11 would at least say nothing. At least say 'let's investigate', but outright attacking the truth, defending a LIE that someone else made up...unbelievable.
McCain wants badly to be
McCain wants badly to be president. that means lying like a son of a bitch.
John McCain is a piece of
John McCain is a piece of shit.
Yes, that's a duplicate
Yes, that's a duplicate post, no, it wasn't haloscan's fault.
F--- McCain. Way to stand up
F--- McCain. Way to stand up for your wife after a smear campaign and going back to swinging from Dubya's sack. I think Truthers need to bombard this idiot with an email campaign.
While he seemed to have the
While he seemed to have the courage to fly F4s into Hanoi, now he's a coward when something might lead to the GOP's destruction, a diplomatic crisis, etc.
- the only good thing about it: they are obviously on the run, trying to stop the momentum. 9/11 truth is spreading...
- the only good thing about
- the only good thing about it: they are obviously on the run, trying to stop the momentum. 9/11 truth is spreading...
Greg | Homepage | 06.16.06 - 11:15 am | #
exactly, they are afraid of how they will be seen when the shit finally hits the fan and people realize they were complicit in the crime of the century.thats why people like Mckinney will be seen as heros someday.in a just world.
i agree, we should bambard
i agree, we should bambard the bastard and call him a traitor. he understands that kind of language.McCain is indeed a piece of shit.
*bombard. sorry, anger makes
*bombard. sorry, anger makes me type fast.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2228908,00.html
From all appearances
From all appearances virtually all the people in both houses of congress have sold there souls. There is so much evidence out there {about 911}how it can be ignorned is trully astonishing.
Our government seems to be hopelessly broken and without diriection. I really just don't get it.
Political correctness, i.e.
Political correctness, i.e. ignoring the 'painful questions' is cowardish, but outright attacking those that have the courage is an outrage.
Extremely ironic headline
Extremely ironic headline right now at msnbc.com:
"JUSTICE NOT DONE: 9/11 Fraud, Theft Went Unpunished"
Too bad it's not what you think.
Let er
Let er rip.
http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Contact.Home
The Government Is Playing
The Government Is Playing Games With Our Soldiers' Lives
I just wrote McCain.
I just wrote McCain.
Jon, you don't happen to
Jon, you don't happen to have a link to the roll call of how they voted, do you?
Nevermind, just found it on
Nevermind, just found it on Drudge. :)
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll288.xml
"C'mon. The problem with the
"C'mon. The problem with the Pentagon footage is you can't tell. And it's just too dangerous to make a definite prediction what happened there. The damned thing is also these eyewitnesses that say they saw a 757."
I know, Greg, but the gov'y shouldn't get a free pass on this either.
Those recently-released videos at the Pentagon did NOT look like a Boeing 757! Enlargements/blowups really look like a military plane, with a cockpit on top & towards the middle of the craft, very unlike a B-757.
Not that I should be
Not that I should be surprised or anything, but this is sickening.
http://www.rules.house.gov/109_2nd/text/iraqres/109_hres861.pdf
"Declaring that the United States will prevail in the Global War on Terror, the struggle to protect freedom from the terrorist adversary."
Puke. Hey, why don't we pass a resolution declaring ourselves not dependent on oil?
Ditto Jon on the Mcain
Ditto Jon on the Mcain comment.
(ditto? ditto? You provential putz!)
But seriousley, If Mcain adds his name to this book, this could be an excellent opportunity to bring this in to the mainstream. He is one of the front GOP presidential canidates and has opened the gates with writing the introduction to this book. Now 'what really happened on 911" is a legitmate and important question!!!!!!!
Lets Pounce with intelligence, accuracy and indisputable facts!!!!!!!
I wonder what Mr. Stewart would have to say about this? He just bashed him for speaking at Bob Jones.......We all need to send this and , "say now its an issue, check out these facts, talk to these people...ect."
What is Dan Rather's view on
What is Dan Rather's view on 911.
Has anybody tried to contact him and ask him.
Dan Rather probably knows
Dan Rather probably knows all about 9/11.the guy is too old to fall for all the bullshit. sort of like how Walter Cronkite said that Rove was behind the Bin Laden tapes.a lot of these old dudes know whats up i think.Rather made the comment on Palasts show that if he really reported on everything he knows, he would have a flaming tire put around his neck, or something along those lines.and remember, it was Rather that originally said about WTC7 that it "looked like a controlled demolition". that said, i dont think Rather has ever gone on record about specific questions about 9/11.
No... no roll call.
No... no roll call.
Chris... interesting you
Chris... interesting you mention that "flaming tire around your neck" comment. That's in "9/11: Press For Truth".
Not that I should be
Not that I should be surprised or anything, but this is sickening.
http://www.rules.house.gov/ 109_2...109_hres861.pdf
"Declaring that the United States will prevail in the Global War on Terror, the struggle to protect freedom from the terrorist adversary."
Puke. Hey, why don't we pass a resolution declaring ourselves not dependent on oil?
Benonymous Rex | 06.16.06 - 12:06 pm | #
Orwell indeed rolls in his grave with phrases like that.disgusting.
McCain is a vile &
McCain is a vile & disgusting asshole. This shithead endured torture & was near death during another war based on LIES: Vietnam!
What did McAsshole learn from this shocking experience? He learned that we should kill, torture & maim other people in new war based on LIES: Iraq!
thats cool. what about when
thats cool. what about when Rather said WTC7 looked like a controlled demolition? bet thats not in it........
No, that's not in it... as
No, that's not in it... as far as the WTC goes... there's a family member asking, "How did those buildings fall in 10 seconds" followed by some footage of WTC7, and then mention of the NIST report not coming up with a conclusive reason as to why WTC7 fell, etc...
Greg Palast is in 9/11:
Greg Palast is in 9/11: Press For Truth.
"I know why David Kubiak and
"I know why David Kubiak and John Judge and Kyle Hence and Nick Levis and Carol Brouillet and Bob Bowman and Jim Hoffman and Mark Robinowitz and Michael Wolsey and Fran Shure and Mike Rivero and Barrie Zwicker and other misleaders of the fake big 911 truth movement don't get it, but what is everyone else's excuse?"
You are utterly insane. NO ONE in this movement is "Perfect", but I'll be damned if I know who within the movement 911blimp finds acceptable.
Carol Brouillet? Michael Wolsey? Bob Bowman? Barrie Zwicker? "Misleaders of the fake 911 truth movement"?
You are utterly insane.
Jon Gold | Homepage | 06.16.06 - 9:43 am | #
He has finally shown his colors...we had the suspicion when he first started his BS.
But now there can be no doubt left. He is not here to push the truth. he is here strictly to muddy the waters with misinfo, disinfo.
plus, he forgot to Alex Jones, Dr Jones, DRG.
c'mom 911blimp these fakers need to be outed too!!!
everything he says is now suspect.... EVERYTHING!!!!!!
of course to some it already was. this just removes any remaining doubt
Kirk, I was just wondering
Kirk, I was just wondering the same thing about Dan Rather while watching What's The Truth yesterday. It had been a long time since I had actually heard his comments while watching WTC 7 fall, probably the first time I've heard them since my eyes have been open to the official story being a pack of lies. I suspect the "Rathergate" nonsense from '04 was probably an effort to make sure he kept his mouth shut.
Makes my heart sink, kind of like when I watched 9/11 Eyewitness Hoboken a month or two ago and, for the first time, heard the explosions preceding the collapses.
Mcain + 911 =
Mcain + 911 = opportunity
Bash them with facts not personal insults , no matter how well deserved.......that just what they want.
hey i made a new shirt for
hey i made a new shirt for my DC trip....
check it out (it's backwards cuz it's a print but you can get the idea)
http://www.unitedslavesofamerica.org/wtc7print.jpg
dz should ban blimp, and
dz should ban blimp, and remove any reference to his site.
Incidentally, dz saw, "9/11: Press For Truth". Ask him what he thought of it.
I heard something about CBS
I heard something about CBS not going to renew Dan Rather's contract yesterday. Could this be more retribution for his 9/11 truth remarks?
On another topic:
I don't really know what to think about soldiers in Iraq. I guess they're "just following orders", but if they were a bit smarter, all this couldn't happen. The military utilizes 18 & 19-year-olds because they've got mature bodies but very immature minds.
After all, no soldiers, no this either: http://www.zen13351.zen.co.uk/reflect/my%20thoughts/iraq2003/ManCarriesD...
Dan Rather seems to me like
Dan Rather seems to me like a common sense kind of person.
Having him speak out would be great.
R.P., McCain deserves any &
R.P., McCain deserves any & all attacks he gets! How does a man survive the whole "Vietman experience", become a middle-aged Senator, & incite the entire thing all over again in Iraq (and Afghanistan)?
Right-Wing Group Calling It
Right-Wing Group Calling It Quits?
the Post quoted one unidentified source presumably linked to PNAC that the group was "heading toward closing" with the feeling of "goal accomplished."
http://www.alternet.org/story/37590/
no sh!t goal accomplished,
>with a cockpit on top &
>with a cockpit on top & towards the >middle of the craft, very unlike a B->757.
my guessing is, too, that the Pentagon-757 is a big lie. But it shouldn't be stated as a fact unless we can be sure they're not playing games with us by distributing fake video frames. WTC7 however is a sure thing, unless the earth is indeed flat.
Noone should be demonized for any theory. Reopen911.org, the site of W.Rodriquez for example has the no-plane theory - but does anyone doubt he's genuine? No. So let's not attack it as long as it's not serving to disinform and attack others views.
Police state? Love the last
Police state? Love the last paragraph:
The U.S. government has sued the New Jersey Attorney General's office on grounds of security concerns to prevent it from asking telephone companies if they gave customer call records to the National Security Agency.
The government wants to stop the disclosure of confidential and sensitive information, according to the lawsuit filed in Trenton, New Jersey on Wednesday, a day before phone companies were due to reply to subpoenas issued by the New Jersey attorney general.
"Compliance with the subpoenas issued by those officers would first place the carriers in a position of having to confirm or deny the existence of information that cannot be confirmed or denied without causing exceptionally grave harm to national security," the lawsuit said.
Supreme Court now says u
Supreme Court now says u dont have to knock if u have a warrant, you can just barge right in....
even if you aren't home???
The Debunking 911 Myths on
The Debunking 911 Myths on Amazon is great. Right below there are links to David Ray Griffin's books and others.
Amazon's selection algorythm is just trying to sell books, no agenda I hope.
you have to remember(and im
you have to remember(and im not making excuses for them,because i too am conflicted about what to think of the soldiers fighting in Iraq) but they are deluged with propaganda daily, they get nothing but Rush Limbaugh and Fox News over there. they are told constantly that Iraq has something to do with terrorism and "the war on terror".they are told daily that they are making us safer.this is no excuse for not being informed,but many of these people are just young guys like myself that have nothing else to do BUT go in the military.not everyone has parents that can or will pay for them to go to college.i owe so much money,i may HAVE to go in the military.i want to serve my country, but knowing what i know, i dont know if i could do that, and that enrages me.its a catch 22, and i honestly dont blame any of the soldiers serving in Iraq for this farce that is the "war on terror".i blame the men behind the curtain.the ones that really profit from war.its not really about being smart,many times its pure desperation. i may just have to serve in the military because i have no choice.i owe a lot of money to this fucking government and corrupt health system. would you blame me for Iraq if i decided to serve? many of these people serving have almost no choice, they came up in life poor and didnt get the same oppurtunities as some.please dont blame them.if they had more of a choice, many of them wouldnt be in Iraq.and oh yeah, ban blimp already.
R.P., McCain deserves any &
R.P., McCain deserves any & all attacks he gets! How does a man survive the whole "Vietman experience", become a middle-aged Senator, & incite the entire thing all over again in Iraq (and Afghanistan)?
Anonymous
I agree he deserves "any + all attacks he gets". I was talking about 'tactics' in getting the questions about 911 into the mainstream. If we simply atack him personally (I'm not talking about blogs, I'm talking about in the public forum) they will ignore our legitimate questions and facts and turn it into the outrageous political personal debate which our MSM is so found of, and which conveniently hides the real political and power games behind the political theatre called 'politics' in this country.
I'm not in this to feel righteous, thats too easy in this climate. I'm in this to expose the Truth of 911 and our goverments complicity to everyone, so we can hold them responsible and stop the maddness of this corrupt system.
This is a great opportunity that we need to plan for and respond early or we will be ignored as 'crazy' and the MSM talking heads and political think tanks will control the direction of this debate (which is really no debate) and we will be left discussing our righteous theories of the 'magic bullet' to our grandchildren in the new United States of Corporate Fascism.
" If you new all of this why didn't you do anything to stop it, Grandpa?"
Actually, on second thought, since no one got the quote from Blazing Saddles.....my respect for this movement is on shaky ground at the moment. Smile.
RP, im only 23, cut me some
RP, im only 23, cut me some slack on that one, haha.
Chris, I would think very
Chris, I would think very long & hard before enlisting in the military--and then I wouldn't do it! (Just my opinion.)
Slack given Chris! But don't
Slack given Chris! But don't remain ignorant of our history of great comedy and fantastic film quotes.
Does anyone else here feel
Does anyone else here feel like it's just dragging on too long for the truth to become widespread? It is very frustrating being around people who are just oblivious or just don't want to hear the truth. Does anyone here ever feel really frustrated about all of this?
I was saving this for a new
I was saving this for a new thread because this thread is so old, but it's worth reading if you wonder how the truth is having an effect on people in government and the military.
http://mondoweiss.observer.com/2006/06/authors-of-israel-lobby-paper-get...
truthsearching2006, I feel
truthsearching2006, I feel your pain!^ Please hang in there.
truthsearching2006, hold on
truthsearching2006, hold on bud, i'm not sure what point on the curve we are on, but the slope is getting steaper, and we're almost at the critical point. Hopefully it's a maximum.
I was saving this for a new
I was saving this for a new thread because this thread is so old, but it's worth reading if you wonder how the truth is having an effect on people in government and the military.
http://mondoweiss.observer.com/2...t- military.html
Itsaputon | 06.16.06 - 1:14 pm | #
thanks for that, great article.
Itsaputon's link "...And as
Itsaputon's link "...And as has been argued here before, that probably stems from the fact that there is strong underground support for the paper's findings, including its assertion that the disastrous decision to invade Iraq came partly out of pro-Israel pressure. Yes, that's hard to talk about..."
Yes, it is long past due that we shed NO MORE BLOOD & NO MORE WARS FOR ISRAEL!
truthsearching2006, i find
truthsearching2006,
i find that this movement is draining me. I think of this stuff every waking hour... even when I cut the grass I'm STILL comprehending what it means to me to accept all of this as truth.
it's frustrating, scary, and depressing.
on a more uplifting note, I stuck a truth movement flyer on a bulletin board at work today. we'll see how long it lasts.
Congrats to Dem Bruce Lee
Congrats to Dem Bruce Lee Styles. Your video linked on WhatReallyHappened.com.
P.S. I've been too busy to watch it yet. I'm looking forward to it.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/20
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll288.xml
truthsearching2006 "even
truthsearching2006
"even when I cut the grass I'm STILL comprehending what it means to me to accept all of this as truth.
it's frustrating, scary, and depressing."
You aren't doing enough to spread the truth or you aren't seeing the big picture.
You will not notice the difference spreading the truth makes until the enemy has been defeated. Now, get to work.
Chris -- I would consider
Chris -- I would consider bankruptcy way, way before the military (unless your debt is student loans.) It's still possible, and not the end of the world.
DHS -- nice teeshirt design!
You aren't doing enough to
You aren't doing enough to spread the truth or you aren't seeing the big picture.
You will not notice the difference spreading the truth makes until the enemy has been defeated. Now, get to work.
Itsaputon
Cut me some slack. I'm surrounded by conservatives. I converted one, but it's a rough battle. And I agree though. There's so much more I can do.
I would have made a horrible founding father.
thats why im still here
thats why im still here actually, but i was just trying to make the point that you shouldnt blame the soldiers for the Iraq war.sadly, this country will always produce enough poor desperate people to die for them.
Thanks for the supportive
Thanks for the supportive commments, Anonymous and anonymous....;-)
Like everyone here, I want to see the truth come out, justice be done, and our planet evolve to a higher state.
Like Anonymous, it's rare for me to find distraction to take my mind off of this subject. But, for a healthy life, I need to at least try to take breaks from it. But oftentimes it's damn hard.
I've contemplated starting a local group here for support and for action that might help me and others deal with this awareness better. Life seemed definitely easier when I was in the dark about the real stories behind 9/11.
But it seems that once the "scales fall from one's eyes", one cannot go back. And, every devious line that comes out of the mouths of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, the Republicans and many Democrats, gives that much more credence to governmental complicity to the acts on 9/11.
I very much like the idea of
I very much like the idea of us truthers making John McCainÂ’s forward in that new 9/11 truth-denial book come back to bite him on the ass!
I very much like the idea of
I very much like the idea of us truthers making John McCainÂ’s forward in that new 9/11 truth-denial book come back to bite him on the ass!
Anonymous | 06.16.06 - 1:38 pm | #
me too, but dont forget that son of a bitch Rudy. the man was directly involved in the cover-up and he wants to be our president.that cant happen.
Life seemed definitely
Life seemed definitely easier when I was in the dark about the real stories behind 9/11.
Damn, you got that right, brother!
But it seems that once the "scales fall from one's eyes", one cannot go back. And, every devious line that comes out of the mouths of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, the Republicans and many Democrats, gives that much more credence to governmental complicity to the acts on 9/11.
Right-on again!
Dan Rather launched his
Dan Rather launched his career by lying about the Zapruder film. He was one of the few people allowed to see it early on, and he reported that JFK's head moved violently 'forward' when shot. So I think we know who's been buttering his bread all this time. Don't expect anything good from him.
Aside from Dan Rather, we
Aside from Dan Rather, we can't forget about Peter Jennings' comments while WTC 1 & 2 fell.
But Jennings' was suddenly stricken with cancer and is no longer with us.
Oh, let's not forget about Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson, always the loud mouth ranting about corrupt government officials and their acts against this country, see Loose Change Edition 2 for his narrative in the opening sequence.
Unfortunately, he is no longer with us either, he committed suicide.
I think Carl Bernstein has made subtle references to 9/11 as well.
Who else is among the most popular of journalists to have shed some light of truth onto 9/11?
I hope they're still alive and in good health.
Chris, this isn't 1942 when
Chris, this isn't 1942 when you join the military to overthrow Hitler & liberate death camps.
You join today, and you'll be expected to do stuff like this: http://www.geocities.com/kabuli.geo/iraq.jpg
How are you going to live with yourself after that?
Slack given Chris! But don't
Slack given Chris! But don't remain ignorant of our history of great comedy and fantastic film quotes.
Radical Pragmatist | 06.16.06 - 1:11 pm | #
"I neva fucked anybody over in my life, who didn't have it comin' to 'im, you got that? All I have in this world is my balls, and my word, and I don't break 'em for no one, jou understand?" hahaha, too typical? i love when movies are unintentionally funny though. like all of Scarface.haha.
"I would have made a
"I would have made a horrible founding father."
The founding fathers had a more receptive crowd. But seriously, the more you learn not only about 9/11, but how it fits with what's happening in the entire world and think about where it's all headed, that should make you happy. Because this whole world is acting based on a big lie and a house of cards is going to crash it's just a matter of when.
Chris, this isn't 1942 when
Chris, this isn't 1942 when you join the military to overthrow Hitler & liberate death camps.
You join today, and you'll be expected to do stuff like this: http://www.geocities.com/kabuli....li.geo/ iraq.jpg
How are you going to live with yourself after that?
Anonymous | 06.16.06 - 1:46 pm | #
your not poor are you? your parents paid your way into college didnt they? dont judge me mother fucker.
sorry, that was harsh, but
sorry, that was harsh, but seriously, dont assume that i would do something like that even if i did choose to serve.like i said, some people have no other choice but to go into the military.dont blame the troops for the real killers choices.
Chris, I'm a lot older than
Chris, I'm a lot older than you. I'm just trying to show you what you may be getting yourself into. (Go work at McDonald's for Christ's sake.)
"I'm as mad as HELL, and I'm
"I'm as mad as HELL, and I'm not going to take this ANYMORE!!!"
Chris they don't ask you to
Chris they don't ask you to do vile things they just put you in a situation where you're forced to choose between living and doing something vile.
OOps! That should read
OOps! That should read "dying and doing something vile." At the end.
Okay, I'm sure there are a
Okay, I'm sure there are a hell of a lot of things you could do besides the military & McDonalds.
Dan Rather's "fib" Dan
Dan Rather's "fib"
Dan Rather, at the time an unknown newscaster from a small market Texas TV station, viewed the Zapruder film, then described it to America on the CBS network. As this recording of that broadcast shows, Rather lied to all of America in claiming that the head shot pushed John F. Kennedy's head forward. Rather's meteoric rise to network status and stardom soon followed. When the Zapruder film was finally shown publicly, during Jim Garrison's trial of CIA agent Clay Shaw, Rather's lie was revealed for all to see. Sound file provided by www.warrencommission.com.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/jfk.html
Has anyone noticed that
Has anyone noticed that since Bush took power, respectable vetaran news anchors such as Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, Koppel, etc have been disappearing off the face of television? Anyone know what's up with that?
Geggy, I noticed this and
Geggy,
I noticed this and thought it was weird too.
Well, most Republicans as
Well, most Republicans as well as 42 Democrats have decided to keep the U.S. in Iraq.
And 9/11 and the "War On Terror" were all apart of the rhetoric to reach this decision.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19497142-1702,00.html
respectable vetaran news
respectable vetaran news anchors such as Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, Koppel,....LOL LOL
They have been SHILLS thier whole careers
peace,pw
respectable vetaran news
respectable vetaran news anchors such as Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, Koppel,....LOL LOL
They have been SHILLS thier whole careers
peace,pw
Dan Rather's "fib"
Dan Rather, at the time an unknown newscaster from a small market Texas TV station, viewed the Zapruder film, then described it to America on the CBS network. As this recording of that broadcast shows, Rather lied to all of America in claiming that the head shot pushed John F. Kennedy's head forward. Rather's meteoric rise to network status and stardom soon followed. When the Zapruder film was finally shown publicly, during Jim Garrison's trial of CIA agent Clay Shaw, Rather's lie was revealed for all to see. Sound file provided by www.warrencommission.com.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.co...CS/JFK/ jfk.html
Yeh while I'm trying not to
Yeh while I'm trying not to get ahead of myself, I'm almost certain they all wanted to move on to do something else related to television because of their old age and experience. Part of me wants to believe that they had quit over their refusal to comply with the bush administration and become part of the propaganda machine because they have too much respect and integrity as honest anchors as themselves. They didnt want to stoop as low as geraldo rivera whose popularity has emerged since bush took power by spewing info that they know aren't true. I recalled jennings as being the most rebellious of all news anchor, unfortunately he had passed away...or maybe killed...I don't know....
If there's really support
If there's really support for 9/11 skepticism with any news anchor or candidate, we shall see this between the lines of what they say.
By that i mean when one just says nothing on 9/11 truth, he could be just doing this for p.c. and not to be called crazy and off mainstream, but as time progresses...
McCain is outed a liar now with a defense for the ommission commission cover-story, a commission he helped create.
But think of what John Kerry said about terrorism and 9/11. I'm not seeing him to support the cover-up actively. He recently said him voting for the Iraq war was wrong, and about terrorism he said it should be a nuisance, instead of a global war. So between the lines...
Did Hillary Clinton attend
Did Hillary Clinton attend the Bilderberg Meeting?
http://www.infowars.com/ articles..._bilderberg.htm
Cloak & Swagger
============================
Hey - as long as she's paid up her dues, she's entitled. : )
http://bohemian.com/bohemian/
http://bohemian.com/bohemian/06.14.06/david-ray-griffin-0624.html
John McCain is a piece of
John McCain is a piece of shit.
Jon Gold
===============================
And apparently a masochistic piece of shit at that. : )
Did someone attend Loose
Did someone attend Loose Change 911 Blogs today?
good find sitting bull
good find sitting bull
= + = Unquestioned
= + =
Unquestioned Answers
..
Nonconspiracy theorist David Ray Griffin takes aim at
the official 9-11 story
-- By Steve Bhaerman --
http://bohemian.com/bohemian/06.14.06/david-ray-griffin-0624.html
= + =
http://bohemian.com/bohemian/
http://bohemian.com/bohemian/06....iffin- 0624.html
SittingBull | 06.16.06 - 3:11 pm | #
_________________________--
Hell of a find!!
The message of OBL not being
The message of OBL not being wanted for 9/11 has spread some more.
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_912.shtml
Chris, I'm a lot older than
Chris, I'm a lot older than you. I'm just trying to show you what you may be getting yourself into. (Go work at McDonald's for Christ's sake.)
Anonymous | 06.16.06 - 1:54 pm | #
you and.....
Chris they don't ask you to do vile things they just put you in a situation where you're forced to choose between living and doing something vile.
Itsaputon | 06.16.06 - 1:56 pm | #
you dont know me or my situation.
Chris, you're naive at best.
Chris, you're naive at best. On one hand you purport to be extremely liberal. On the other, you say you may well join the military. Do you expect to be stationed in Hawaii or in Switzerland?
IMO, unless your daddy is head of NSA or CIA, youÂ’re going to find yourself carrying a machine gun in the middle of a big fucking disaster in Iraq or Iran.
Join the Peace Corps or
Join the Peace Corps or something.
naive or desperate? suck a
naive or desperate? suck a dick mommas boy, not everybody gets a free ride to college. seriously, stop judging me asshole.
walk in my shoes you pile of
walk in my shoes you pile of "Anonymous" shit. then judge me.
how lucky for you
how lucky for you "Anonymous", that you dont have to make hard desicions because your life is literally in danger of falling apart. im only 23 and i owe more money than you probably make in a year.(these kinds of things happen when you dont have healthcare and you end up in the hospital.thats reality.)my options are probably a bit more limited than yours. i could end up on the streets at any time. how lucky for you "Anonymous" that you dont face desicions like the ones i have.but im just a naive 23 year old right? i wish you could spend 1 fucking month in my shoes you Anonymous coward.
I came across a new
I came across a new "investigation" of WTC7 and its an absolute joke of a whitewash,released in the fall,October i would say to coincide with the election in the US.
No Chance of Truth in WTC-7 Investigation
Quote:Contractually, ARA is restrained to research likely modes of failure only for floors 8 to 46. This is critical to the plan for the federal government to cover-up the controlled demolition that any footage of the collapse of WTC-7 clearly demonstrates because controlled demolition most often occurs in the basement and first few floors of a building, with gravity doing the rest of the work.
Apologies if posted before/old news (just click on homepage for the full article).
so obviously if i chose to
so obviously if i chose to join the military, it wouldnt be because of politics(your dumbass comment about how liberals cant join the military).it would be out of desperation, like many of the soldiers that are in Iraq now. but go ahead, blame the poor for the war, dont blame the real killers.
Holy shit, relax already! If
Holy shit, relax already! If you owe hospital bills, that's a civil matter not criminal. Claim bankruptcy or agree to a small payment plan or something.
Look, do whatever you feel you must do, kid. I'm not trying to antagonize you. My advice is just explore every avenue before making a 4-year commitment to the military, especially in these days of grave uncertainty.
Best of luck in whatever happens with you & keep us posted.
sorry, but i dont take
sorry, but i dont take kindly to some "Anonymous" person on the internet calling me naive when he knows nothing about me or my life.the military would be a last resort for me, but like i said, we dont all have the same options in life.this isnt exactly a perfect class system we got going here.
We have a caste system much
We have a caste system much like they do in India, and thatÂ’s just the way the NeoCons want to keep it, & strengthen it.
You're a good man Chris,
You're a good man Chris, hang in there, we need you.
> "Declaring that the United
> "Declaring that the United States will prevail in the Global War on Terror,"
Well, easy. No need to puke.
Just take them by the word.
Eliminate all terror..
foreign OR DOMESTIC
I think thats a noble task.. much like globalisation.
We need to globalise welfare and justice. There should be no borders for people... just like there are no borders for rich people.
You kiddies here too often fall for the simple rethoric. You take the doctrinal system for granted. But its a thin veneer. All you have to do is LISTEN TO CHOMSKY mp3. After a few years you get it. Not earlier, sadly, because the propagande sits deep.. very very deep. It was designed that way.
BTW, your subconscious knows all this. Thats why films like MATRIX (1) are so appealing. If there was no insidious propaganda and mind-fuck.. you would wonder what the fuck everyone was raving about.
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/ has a new Chomsky interview.... its a good tool to restore sanity... whether YOU THINK YOU are awake/aware/QuickWit ... or not.
Authors of ANTI Israel Lobby
Authors of ANTI Israel Lobby Paper Get Warm Reception at NAVAL Military College
http://mondoweiss.observer.com/2006/06/authors-of-israel-lobby-paper-get...
why do you think the NAVY-part of the Pentagon was hit?
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More GOOD (differentiated) info on the Israel Lobby topic ... from insiders, two ex CIA people:
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/1729867.php
PUBLISHED TODAY
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/
Chris, I say join. We need
Chris, I say join. We need an insider.
In fact, i'd better not
In fact, i'd better not visit this site anymore, join the NSA, and in 5 years I'll let all of you know what's really going on. BTW - Who is our presidential candidate? I'll bypass the NSA, and go for the top spot. At least it'd give some press to the movement, right?
Chris, I say join. We need
Chris, I say join. We need an insider.
Chad | 06.17.06 - 8:03 pm | #
hahahaha. i couldnt get any real info by being just a soldier.