Barrett Challenges Rep. Nass to Debate, Rep. Nass Pushes State Resolution on Barrett
Barrett Challenges Nass to Debate the Facts - mujca.org
Dr. Kevin Barrett, U.W.-Madison lecturer who has received overwhelming public support along with a dash of vitriol for expressing his views about 9/11 on a radio program, has challenged Rep. Steve Nass to debate him on the subject. "It is time to stop the name-calling and threats, and get down to a serious, scholarly debate," Barrett said, adding "If Rep. Nass successfully refutes my arguments, I promise to withdraw them, and issue a public apology to Vice President Cheney and others I have named as 9/11 suspects."
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Here is Barrett’s letter to Steve Nass challenging him to a debate, emailed to Nass on Tuesday evening, July 11th:Dear Rep. Nass,
Since you have stated that I have no scholarly basis for my ideas about 9/11, and repeatedly insulted me and my views, I challenge you to a public debate on the topic. You will argue that the 9/11 Commission Report is a trustworthy account of the events of 9/11, and I will argue that it is not.
The debate format will favor complex argumentation backed by scholarly sources, and allow for sustained cross-examination.
Are you willing to stand behind your ideas and subject them to the light of critical scrutiny? Or are you afraid to go beyond simple name-calling?
Sincerely,
Kevin Barrett
A legislator wants a controversial UW lecturer to be fired.
With lawmakers at the Capitol to act on state employee contracts, Representative Steve Nass is pushing a resolution on Kevin Barrett. "It will underscore the displeasure that legislators have with the university decision," said Nass. UW Madison officials on Monday decided to let Barrett teach an introductory class on Islam, despite Barrett's now well-publicized view that the Bush administration was behind the 9-11 terrorist attacks on America. Nass said that's not the decision he was hoping for; "they should terminate him, without question."
The Whitewater Republican said competency and academic quality, not academic freedom, is the issue here, and that Barrett is unable to provide evidence that would back up his position on on the 9-11 attacks.
So on one hand you have Kevin Barrett challenging Rep. Nass to a debate, and on the other hand you have Rep. Nass looking to pass a state resolution on Barrett, despite the university determining he was fit to teach. This reminds me of high school somewhat, you have a rational guy looking to talk out a situation, and you have a school bully looking to fight him after school.
I hope that Rep. Nass will consider the debate offer, but it might help to encourage him a bit. Be sure to check out the links above for further details.
UPDATE: The assembly has already refused to consider this resolution, you can find more about it (including video and comments) here:
Assembly Refuses To Consider Resolution Demanding UW To Fire Instructor
A big thanks to Daithà for covering these two topics here and here, and submitting them to us!
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WAY TO GO KEVIN!!!
WAY TO GO KEVIN!!!
Seriously. Way to go.
Seriously. Way to go.
Nass has opened up the
Nass has opened up the floodgates.
Check... Mate in two.
Check...
Mate in two.
Holy Crap! This is shocking
Holy Crap!
This is shocking and awesome stuff Kevin...keep it up.
Yes, pun intended.
All Hell will break loose if
All Hell will break loose if Kevin gets fired.
Rep. Nass I doubt will debate---obviously because he doesn't know what he is talking about. Clearly he is happy staying blinded by his loyalty to a system that has seriously failed us all.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rep. Nass is asked to back off of this. If he doesn't, he will be allowing this to go even further into the public eye, causing more coverage. You know the guilty don't want that.
Does anyone here happen to
Does anyone here happen to know where I can find archived USA Today articles without having to pay like five dollars for each one? Or, does anyone simply have a copy of their May 21, 2002 editorial "Inquiry into 9/11 Won't Interfere with Anti-Terror War", their November 29, 2002 article "Kissinger Announcement Nearly as Secretive as He" or their July 26, 2002 article "Pressure Expands for 9/11 Inquiry"? Jon Gold I'm lookin' at you.
Can we get Kevin's request
Can we get Kevin's request sent in to the media outlets that covered his story? That'd be cool.
I like Kevin's choice of
I like Kevin's choice of words in that letter! Rep Ass needs a lesson taught him.
Regarding Bruce Willis: I got the ball rolling over here...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000246/board/thread/48055949
I really think that a
I really think that a two-panel debate would be best.
Dr. Barrett can select his panel of researchers, such as Paul Thompson, Webster Tarpley, Michael Rupert, Nafeez Ahmed, and Dr. Steven Jones.
Sen. Nass can bring his researchers, perhaps, Jessica Mc Bride, Seán Hannity, Ann Coulter, and David Horowitz.
The poll at Channel3000 have
The poll at Channel3000 have been reset, be sure to cast your votes again.
http://www.channel3000.com/
just posted the resolution
just posted the resolution PDF
My e-mail to Rep Nass: As a
My e-mail to Rep Nass:
As a UW-Madison alumnus, I would encourage you to make your stance on Mr. Barrett's comments known in the form of an educated debate.
While it is one thing to criticise another's ideas and refute them with evidence or facts, it is another entirely to try to censure a person whose credibility is
established and deemed exemplary by a well accredited, public academic
institution.
I would hope you would rethink your position on trying to fire Prof Barrett, as this could lead to complicated litigation against you and the constitutionality
of your resolution, stemming from your infringement on Mr Barrett's free speech rights under the United States Constitution. This document is one to which you also swore an oath as a public official, to uphold and to defend, against all
enemies foreign and domestic.
Again, it is one issue to present ideas for debate and discussion, as teachers and scholars are apt to do. It is another to hold a specific viewpoint and stifle discussion of a topic on which others hold opposing views.
I think you will find Mr Barrett is certainly ensuring the former in his
courses.
Nevermind. My local library
Nevermind. My local library has them all.
***UPDATE*** The Wisconsin
***UPDATE***
The Wisconsin Assembly has refused to consider Senator Nass' infantile resolution:
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/15022673.htm
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Hmmm... I just went back to
Hmmm... I just went back to the above referenced poll and voted. I don't like the options this time. Also, if you don't expand the results box when it comes up on the screen, you can't even see results for the final option (the one I voted for.) It definitely needs more votes, people.
***UPDATE*** Ha! I knew it!
***UPDATE***
Ha!
I knew it! Awesome news but again, the attention whould have been good for the truth.
Kevin: keep on truckin!
i voted.... Nass has started
i voted....
Nass has started a war.
Hopefully Kevin doesn't
Hopefully Kevin doesn't withdrawl his debate request.
And, like all bullys, he'll
And, like all bullys, he'll back down when called out...let's make sure that gets widespread attention when he folds like a $3 umbrella...
Nass is the all-too-representative proxy for the chickenhawk cheerleaders ensconced in the White House.
We've seen Barrett rip apart Hannity; imagine what he'd do with this hack Nass....
*******"Having a full debate
*******"Having a full debate on the floor would have been good to expose even more so what this person was up to," Nass said.********
If Nass likes debates, he can have one. But, it would be to expose what the gov. was up to.
Thanks Daithi for the link!
Conversation on Madison
Conversation on Madison Indymedia:
http://madison.indymedia.org/newswire/update/index.php
Let's see.... omission of
Let's see.... omission of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, Mahmoud Ahmed, Norman Mineta, Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, firefighter's explosives testimony, history of steel framed structures, put options, Zelikow's conflicts of interest, hijacker list.....
I'd say Barrett has some good ammo for his debate.
What does Nass have? Faith and Loyalty?
OOOPS! I'll try this
OOOPS!
I'll try this again...
http://madison.indymedia.org/newswire/display/39797/index.php
Nass has committed political
Nass has committed political suicide....
And if all goes how it should, the homicide of many other political careers.
Give Nass a call and
Give Nass a call and encourage him to debate.
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/assembly/asm31/asm31.html
Rep. Nass will never concent
Rep. Nass will never concent to a debate. You can bet the house on that one.
Or e-mail
Or e-mail him:
rep.nass@legis.state.wi.us
Then we'll press him to
Then we'll press him to answer WHY, Maddog. ;-)
Barrett could also open the
Barrett could also open the debate further to anyone who might want to challenge him, thereby reigniting the call for debate that Jones et al. offered.
I thought this was a great
I thought this was a great idea. congrats to kevin.
Look how quick the "big dig"
Look how quick the "big dig" incident is being investigated. Of course my condolences to the victim and her family, but geeze...you'd think that they would've given 9/11 at least this much attention.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/12/bigdigdeath.ap/index.html
pioneers like Barrett give
pioneers like Barrett give me so much hope. This was amazing to read!
As an overseas observer of
As an overseas observer of the truth movement, I just want to say: Looks like they are starting to get a bit twitchy. Nass is probably extremely nervous right now. But remember that they will do absolutely ANYTHING to prevent the truth from breaking. Pretty soon they will be bringing out the bigger guns, I'm afraid.
They probably will not risk an open attack on the 911 truth movement - but remember, they have absolutely no qualms about killing people. None what so ever. Be careful.
Sometimes it seems as though
Sometimes it seems as though the 9/11 truth movement is more about 911 truthers than about 911 truth.
Is it fairness, or duplicitous, for, say, 911blogger.com to give (un!)equal time to government disinformation?
WKJO and EGLS both cunningly promote government disinfo. They both promote the government's "Osama did 9/11" bullshit. WKJO goes further and also psychologically assaults (the image of) 911 truthers. And 911blogger.com promotes both govt propaganda pieces with headlined links.
That behavior is not consistent with moving the truth. You want proof of that?:
It's been 1765 days, and the truth has effectively not moved an inch. The USA is still a _______ homeland! We still have a Department of Homeland Security. We still have reduced liberties. BushCo still rules the world. We still have leaders who tell us to be afraid, that "the next one" is not a matter of if but when, and it will be bigger than 9/11... (We even have supposed 911 truthers promoting blatant limited-hangout disinfo sites, such as 911truth.org.)
Most people here even pretend to still be unaware (ie, ignorant) of the recognized disinfo campaigns within the 9/11 truth movement. (What do "coincidence theorists" think of the fact that 911blogger promotes government propaganda films but not a site which can help people recognize them for what they are?)
This truth movement is a complete utter miserable misguided failure, yet we're here cheering and taking sides and practicing other non- and counter-productive behaviors like this is just a frilly social club...
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Very sage words, observer^!
Very sage words, observer^! Thanks.
To hell with asking him to
To hell with asking him to debate, thank him for bringing so much attention to the 9/11 Truth Movement!!!
I simply mean that Barrett
I simply mean that Barrett could expand the attention so to speak. Ie. Ann Coulter gets headlines because she says outlandish things to stoke controversy. Isn't there some way to keep this ball rolling?
Of course, Barrett deserves tremendous credit for getting this far but he is in the driver's seat now and could, potentially, create more controversy. How? Dunno. Requires clever Rove based tactics.
Asking Nass to debate AND
Asking Nass to debate AND thanking him for the free publicity are not mutually exclusive.
Truth Gluttony!!!!
Indulge and enjoy, Big Guy.
It's high time and you deserve it!!!
Perhaps Rep. Nass is a
Perhaps Rep. Nass is a deviously clever Truther :) Just look at the coverage he's generated for Kevins views. Yes, he could be a genius, instead of the knuckle dragging trogladyte he seems to be.
Or not.
"Or not." Not.
"Or not."
Not.
Alex: that is an overly
Alex:
that is an overly optimistic outlook. If I were naive, I'd consider it possible. ;-)
The funny thing is if Nass
The funny thing is if Nass were a U.S. Rep., he would know the score and would shut his mouth. As a state rep. not in the beltway loop, the poor guy doesn't have a clue and probably really believes in that thorough, bipartisan, wonderful piece of investigation from the Omission Commission.
As a state rep. not in the
As a state rep. not in the beltway loop, the poor guy doesn't have a clue and probably really believes in that thorough, bipartisan, wonderful piece of investigation from the Omission Commission.
Al C. | Homepage | 07.12.06 - 8:31 pm | #
You would've thought someone would call him and tell him to "pull it".
Representative Nass, It has
Representative Nass,
It has been brought to my attention that Dr. Barrett has challenged you to an open debate regarding the attacks of 9/11. Up until this point, all you have done is insult the man, and questioned his ability to teach. I think it's your duty as a Representative of the State of Wisconsin to accept his challenge, and show him why he is wrong. If you refuse this challenge, then it falls on you to publicly, and to personally apologize to Dr. Barrett for the slander you have chosen to partake in.
I look forward to your decision.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Gold
Perhaps Rep. Nass is a
Perhaps Rep. Nass is a deviously clever Truther Just look at the coverage he's generated for Kevins views. Yes, he could be a genius, instead of the knuckle dragging trogladyte he seems to be.
Or not.
Alex | 07.12.06 - 8:18 pm | #
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If he takes him up on the debate, then I might be willing to consider the notion that he's a high placed truther using a little reverse psych on the masses, including us in order to generate more interest.
That is only if he agrees to the debate. Which btw, should be televised.
If they stage terror
If they stage terror attacks.
Then I don't see why people wouldn't stage truth attacks.
It's all about the stage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIe8YUw300&feature=Views&page=3&t=t&f=b
DR. ROBERT BOWMAN TO BE ON
DR. ROBERT BOWMAN TO BE ON HANNITY & COLMES TONIGHT
Perhaps, we should SENT
Perhaps, we should SENT postcards to both of Sen. Nass' offices. That way, EVERYONE who handles his postage can read the simple message, "DEBATE BARRETT!"
Hon. Stephen L. Nass
Room 12 West
State Capitol
P.O. Box 8953
Madison 53708
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Hon. Stephen L. Nass
N8330 Jackson Road
Whitewater 53190
Here's my email to Rep.
Here's my email to Rep. Nass:
Dear Rep. Nass
Kevin Barrett challenges you to debate the facts around 9/11 terrorist attack on the USA. Here is your chance to prove him wrong with strong evidences. Don't pass it. Go for it!
I think Barrett should offer
I think Barrett should offer Nass a choice - to debate him, or he (Barrett) will debate a stooge "Rep. Ass", instead.
"Rep. Ass" will present all the usual US government baloney and OCT red herrings and excuses. The emphasis should be equally on information and HUMOR!
God knows we all need a good laugh.
DR. ROBERT BOWMAN TO BE ON
DR. ROBERT BOWMAN TO BE ON HANNITY & COLMES TONIGHT
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.12.06 - 8:50 pm | #
????????????????
holy sh*t! This should be awesome! I guess FOX likes their new ratings.
Bowman will blow Hannity out into space!
Dear Representative Nass, I
Dear Representative Nass,
I am writing in order to encourage you to debate Mr. Kevin Barrett on the subject of the 911 Commission and
the events of 9/11/2001. These theories are best dealt with by exposing them to light. I would also
suggest that the American approach to speech and controverstial opinion is not to attempt to shut down
these opinions or those who hold these opinions, but to confront these ideas with logic and fact.
Sincerely,
Douglas Lain
Nice job, going great
Nice job, going great guys.
Keep it up.
If they stage terror
If they stage terror attacks.
Then I don't see why people wouldn't stage truth attacks.
It's all about the stage.
Cloak & Swagger | Homepage | 07.12.06 - 8:40 pm | #
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That I like. Talk about activist. Use their tactics. Me like it. :)
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Here's mine: Dear Rep.
Here's mine:
Dear Rep. Nass:
In the immortal words of Jean Schmidt: "Cowards cut and run". Debate Kevin Barrett.
Sincerely,
Chris Rose
DR. ROBERT BOWMAN TO BE ON
DR. ROBERT BOWMAN TO BE ON HANNITY & COLMES TONIGHT
Jon Gold | Homepage | 07.12.06 - 8:50 pm | #
holy shit. did i miss it?
Are Enron Bankers/Witnesses
Are Enron Bankers/Witnesses Being Murdered?
Steve Watson / Infowars | July 12 2006
With the latest revelation that a body discovered in North-east London is that of a banker intimately connected with the Enron fraud case, one has to begin to ask why are there so many "unexplained" deaths linked to this case?
The BBC is reporting that London Police are treating the death of Neil Coulbeck, who worked for the Royal Bank of Scotland until 2004, as "unexplained".
Coulbeck had been interviewed by the FBI as a potential witness. The fraud case centres on a NatWest transaction under which it sold off part of its Enron unit.
Three other Natwest bankers wanted by the US for involvement in the fraud are facing extradition from the UK under laws designed for cases of terrorism that were passed after 9/11.
Is this becoming a case of too many "unexplained deaths" spoil a good cover up?
in 2002 Enron vice chairman J. Clifford Baxter was found shot to death in his Mercedes Benz in the early hours of Friday morning, January 25, near his home in Sugar Land. The death was officially reported as a suicide, yet Local Justice of the Peace Jim Richard initially declared that Baxter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound but then reversed himself, citing the intense public interest in the death.
http://infowars.net/articles/july2006/130706Enron.htm
Dear Representative Nass: I
Dear Representative Nass:
I look forward to your debate with Professor Kevin Barrett about the preposterous theories about what happened on 9/11.
Woman Waving From WTC 1
Woman Waving From
WTC 1 Impact Area
The woman has been tentatively identified by her husband as Edna Cintron, an administrative assistant for Marsh & McLennan.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc1_woman.html
check out Hannity and
check out Hannity and Colmes
Coming on very soon (9:39 eastern)
As a state rep. not in the
As a state rep. not in the beltway loop, the poor guy doesn't have a clue and probably really believes in that thorough, bipartisan, wonderful piece of investigation from the Omission Commission.
Al C. | Homepage | 07.12.06 - 8:31 pm | #
Fine analysis! I'll bet there are many small-town politicians like Nass who still trust the Bushies. We must try to wake them up to the truth.
Everyone needs to write
Everyone needs to write letters in support of nASS, and try and convince him to debate Kevin Barrett. I just sent mine in. It hurts to write a letter argreeing with him.
"I don't understand why Nass
"I don't understand why Nass is going after the University of Wisconsin, which is paying me $8,000 for a course with less than five percent content relevant to 9/11," Barrett said. "I think he should go after the 50 universities outside of Wisconsin paying full salaries to real 9/11 Truth researchers."
That doesn't seem right to say that, but whatever
Here is the message I just
Here is the message I just sent to Kevin:
Subj: 9/11 points of information
1. The aircraft (barely) seen in the Pentagon video is TOO SMALL
TO BE A 757. How can you not mention (headline!) this?
2. The "thermite theory" is an obvious (to a physicist) limited-
hangout distraction/diversion. NO WAY could conventional
chemical explosives account for ANY of the highly anomalous,
UNconventional "Ground Zero" evidence. How could you mention
(fall for) this?
3. I have decided that it is contrary to the interests of the
'movement' for you to be publishing "9/11 jokes". 9/11 was
and is no laughing matter. So such behavior is inappropriate
by anyone's standards. It also will dull people's anger over
9/11, which will be needed once the truth breaks for people to
rise up and roll back the effects of the big crime. It also
will be used against you in any debate, and it will cost you
(at least) the debate in the eyes and minds of the public.
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Speaking about
Speaking about debates?.....
Look at the latest about THE NATIONAL 911 DEBATE TEAM..
http://www.teamliberty.net/id273.html