Anybody know where I can find the video of Kevin Ryan from the Chicago Truth conference?

Kevin's video might be here:
http://belowgroundsurface.org/

jj111,

Ryan's video:
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/presentation-by-kevin-ryan-from.html

audio (w/ q&A):
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/10079.php

linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Ryan

(I forgot I myself put them there)

another good thing to mention on MSM... the fact that teh MSM did not even report the Zogby poll

This is excellent news.

Here's what should be done next: Members of Veterans for Peace and Veterans for 9/11 truth should invite the media and go to Nass' office to ask him to withdraw his legislation and take up Barrett's offer to debate.

Hot Damn Maddog!!!!!!!
That is right: foriegn AND Domestic!

"It is up to those that support Barrett's right to voice his opinion to contact Rep. Nass's office (608-266-5715)"

Okay, it is time for all of us to do something to support Kevin.
He especially could use the public support of the 'big dogs' (meant respectfully of couse) right now!

Great news my liberal friends: the university of Wisconsin has decided to do something good for a change. It has opened a religiously themed dorm on campus. To see the links to the articles come to my blog.

maddog,

send that email to Wisconsin newspapers.

hit piece on a website called 'Family Security Matters'

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=162564

DID ANYBODY CATCH THIS?

from st911.org

13 July 2006
Interview: Jim Fetzer is the guest of Alan
Colmes discussing 9/11 on "Afternoon Drive"
5:30-6:00 PM/ET, WWRL Radio, New York City

Lots of hit-pieces now about Bennet, calling him an "idiot" right in the caption.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5663

Only few say he's a "9/11 Skeptic" - that sounds fair.

OT:

woot.com has a portable DVD player today for $69. if your a street activist it might be worthwhile to pick one up for showing people WTC7.

Hope this turns into a *Terri Shiavo* type event and takes the sanctimonious, self destructive right wing nuts down ... again.

Posted July 14, 2006

Editorial: UW wrong to let professor spew

The University of Wisconsin-Madison is dead wrong to allow 9/11 conspiracy believer Kevin Barrett to continue to teach there.

Barrett — along with the fringe group that he founded, the Muslim Jewish Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth — believes and actively promotes that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were planned and executed by the Bush administration to justify a war. Barrett has stated, "There is a real possibility that President Bush will be electrocuted for the murder of 2,500 Americans."

Citing what he says are scientific studies, Barrett claims that the jet fuel fires weren't hot enough to cause the World Trade Center to collapse, and that the Bush administration had rigged the towers to fall. In fact, studies have found that the jet fuel burned so hotly that it destroyed the towers' upper framework supports, and that is exactly what caused each of the upper floors to break free and crash down like dominoes.

The Barrett controversy shouldn't have anything to do with anyone's opinion of President Bush or the war, or of how Bush handled 9/11, or even of the "real" motivations of anyone involved in 9/11 or on either side of this war.

This debate is about whether UW-Madison should allow a teacher to preach his own paranoid delusions from a publicly funded lectern. Barrett's claims are ludicrous and offensive to the extreme. They are the rantings of a politically motivated fringe fanatic, and this fanatic should not be allowed to promote his views as a teacher at a public university.

Barrett is using his privileged position to actively promote his completely unfounded "theory" as being fact. Barrett — and his defenders including the ACLU and UW Board of Regents President David Walsh — are hiding behind "a tradition of academic freedom" to allow Barrett to spew this personal garbage at taxpayer expense and at the unfortunate expense of the university.

Walsh was quoted as saying, "If it's part of the teaching mission; if it's comparing outrageous theories to traditional theories: because, let the people have the facts and the theories and the freedom to discuss it."

What Walsh and other Barrett defenders don't get, is that Barrett's beliefs don't even cut it as theories. Barrett's beliefs are fiction, hogwash.

We do agree that the university, not legislators, should make the final call on whether to boot Barrett. And we hope that legislators won't make UW funding decisions based on this one bad decision, as some have suggested.

But even Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle has said he would have voted differently in the Barrett decision. "It isn't a question so much of academic freedoms," Doyle was quoted as saying. "It's a question of someone who has this totally irrational idea, is this somebody who should be really teaching students at the University of Wisconsin?"

We would give much more credence and leeway to a professor who sincerely wanted to spark classroom debate by offering up different "theories" about the reasons or motivations for 9/11. Such a professor might even include Barrett's "theory," and even invite Barrett himself to speak to students. This newspaper even supported UW-Whitewater's decision to allow controversial Colorado University professor Ward Churchill to voice his highly controversial and offensive 9/11 theories in an open discussion setting on campus.

But it's a whole different game with Barrett. In this case, Barrett himself is the "teacher" in whom we and our students are supposed to place our trust — and our money. And the university is giving this crackpot free license to teach his warped, and frankly insane, view of the "facts" about what happened on that tragic day.

If it were our decision, we would yank Barrett's chain right out of there.

http://www.sheboygan-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060714/SHE06...

Posted: July 13, 2006
Controversial UW lecturer was convicted in '96
The University of Wisconsin-Madison lecturer who has taught that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were an inside job was convicted in 1996 of disorderly conduct, but the university determined that should not prevent him from teaching.

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According to Dane County Circuit Court records, Kevin Barrett was charged after police responded to a call from a woman who said he had punched her in the face. Barrett, who pleaded guilty and was fined, said the charge was the result of him "resisting arrest."

UW-Madison Provost Patrick Farrell considered the conviction when he conducted a review of Barrett this month to determine whether he was fit to teach. "During our meetings, Mr. Barrett and I did discuss some issues in his past," Farrell said in an e-mail. "I determined that these issues were personal and unrelated to his responsibilities as an instructor."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=466935

hit piece on a website called 'Family Security Matters'

http://www.familysecuritymatters...s.php? id=162564
fhb | 07.14.06 - 5:36 am | #
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At least they had a link to http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html
Cool! :)

Editorial: Fiction and fact at UW
From the Journal Sentinel
Posted: July 12, 2006
Kevin Barrett should not be allowed to teach at the University of Wisconsin-Madison - and it's not because a large swath of the population finds his contention on who authored the 9-11 terrorist attacks odious.

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He should be barred because academic freedom doesn't mean teachers get to teach fiction as fact - even in a university.

For that, please see the blogosphere or subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Monthly. In a classroom, particularly one funded with tax dollars, the public should have a reasonable expectation that what's taught has fact and truth as foundation.

Barrett is the part-time professor who will be allowed to teach a course this fall called "Islam: Religion and Culture." This appointment sparked controversy because Barrett, who co-founded the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance, has espoused the view that the Bush administration orchestrated the 9-11 attacks.

Reacting to the controversy, the university reviewed Barrett's past teachings and the course. Provost Patrick Farrell concluded on Monday that Barrett and his theory are fit for the classroom.

It was the wrong decision.

It's about that word: "theory." We don't for a second believe that Barrett views it as such.

Barrett said on Monday that students in his class would spend one week studying a variety of viewpoints on the 9-11 attacks, including that they were "probably an American operation to launch a war on Islam countries." His "probably" here doesn't do much to assuage.

The view that Americans - or Israel, for that matter - perpetrated the 9-11 attacks is very real in the Muslim world. A Pew Global Attitudes Project survey this year found Muslims believe that Arabs didn't carry out the attacks. Knowing this has value.

What doesn't have value is teaching something as patently false as the idea that the Bush administration purposely killed the 9-11 victims - even if it is taught with the word "probably" acting as convenient caveat. This is tantamount to teaching gravity probably doesn't exist or that up probably is down.

Farrell said, "We cannot allow political pressure from critics of unpopular ideas to inhibit the free exchange of ideas."

Agreed. But Farrell apparently failed to recognize the fundamental issue: standards - for what's taught and who's teaching.

Wacky ideas at universities abound. If they are taught in the context of theories among many and that some are demonstrably false, they might have some utility. We aren't convinced by anyone's assurances to date - Barrett's or the university's - that this will be the context in which this 9-11-as-American-plot will be taught.

Not only should Barrett, after review, have not been allowed to teach this course, he shouldn't have been hired to do it in the first place. No freedom, including academic freedom, is absolute. There are limits.

We have many problems with how President Bush led this nation to war in Iraq, but making the leap that his administration murdered on 9-11 crosses a line.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=464995

According to The Journal Sentinel "he should be barred because academic freedom doesn't mean teachers get to teach fiction as fact - even in a university."

So in fact he should be barred from even mentioning any reference to the 9/11 Commission Report, and talk only about the Inside Job that it in FACT was.

You know, I really don't believe in a Heaven or a Hell. But I sure as hell hope the latter exists because evil people like this who spread lies and deceit knowingly, or at least ignorantly without doing any research deserve eternal damnation.

Crosses fingers.

There seems to be a whole new media campaign against Bennet unleashed now. While just weeks ago there was much favourable media "opinion" columns.

Doesn't this remind of 9/11? There was the early "uncensored" reports with Shanksville people saying there was no plane crash, with NYFD saying there were bombs going off, reporters on the scene comparing the WTC collapse right away to a demolition etc., but after DOD and FBI imposed their version onto the media, it all stopped, and only consistent lies about hijackers were told from then on.

>doesn't mean teachers get to teach >fiction as fact

It's the old story about the "modern day Galileo": once a central institution can decide what's true and what's not (in the old days the king, now: Bush), everybody can be forced to believe and teach that the earth is flat, because it's the "truth".

You know I'm loveing this more and more. I hope Nasshole talks to every single person he knows about this issue. Keep up the good fight Nasshole, you're doing a hell of a job!

I'm going to send Rep. Nass some flowers, and a thank you note.

U.S. Accused Of Kidnapping Family Members Of Iraqi Detainees As Form Of Torture

Ok, now who doesn't want to admit that the United States of America has become Nazi Germany?

Good morning Jon.
Nice work on the PA. 911 visibility meeting!

its breaking news on MSNBC and CNN, but Fox would rather cover weather.big surprise there.

"Good morning Jon.
Nice work on the PA. 911 visibility meeting!"

Thanks, but I had nothing to do with it. Wendi organized everything. All I did was attend, and get interviews from people. All the credit goes to her.

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

MediaPuppet, it occurred to me yesterday -- when I saw the Iranian president warn Israel not to attack Syria -- that the U.S. and Israel may have been planning this little trap all along. Bush/Cheney may not need another 9/11 in this country to get their coveted invasion of Iran and Syria: I Smell A Rat.

Anybody here from the Madison area?

Tel Aviv's outrage is a crime against all of us!

http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2006/07/eye-for-eye.html

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Agreed, I was all along thinking we'd detonate a nuke in Israel and blame it on Iran to start the invasion.
I was an idiot. All it took was Israel, empowered by U.S.-made aircraft to start that war.

I'm thinking of inflated gas prices & shortages and the military draft.
Not in that order.

"MediaPuppet, it occurred to me yesterday -- when I saw the Iranian president warn Israel not to attack Syria -- that the U.S. and Israel may have been planning this little trap all along. Bush/Cheney may not need another 9/11 in this country to get their coveted invasion of Iran and Syria: I Smell A Rat."...I thought the same thing. Another 9/11 would be too dangerous. They would be caught red-handed. Why not just start a war with their partners in crime Israel. Have Israel start it and then we would have to come to their aid. I sure feel sorry for the US solders stationed in Iraq. You know they will be hit. Cheney and Bush are counting on it. What kills me is that the stupid American people will go for it when they should storm Washington and hang all the traitors.

No more blood, no more wars, for that so-called "country" called Israel!

A great presentation.

http://zamphir.litek.ws/

The video that Mark Johnston recommends is eye-opening. A must see.

http://zamphir.litek.ws/

"There seems to be a whole new media campaign against Bennet unleashed now."

You've all wanted MSM coverage. Now, you've got it, so don't complain if it doesn't support your paranoid conspiracy fantasies.

I called Rep. Nass and left another message today.

I too will send a formal snailmail to him as well.

...and i feel fine...

Outside job: Prove to us it was outside because that's all we're asking for.

9/11 wan an outside job
____________________
Ha ha ha ha ha!

>two missles manufactured in Iran >have hit Israeli settlements

BTW: Iran's air force has some American F-14s... american weapons, everywhere, that's the only "economy" Bush speaks about, while GM is going bankrupt

>Israel attacking Lebanon could well >be the start of getting us into Iran >or other Middle-Eastern Countries.
>Anonymous | 07.14.06 - 12:26 pm | #

Yes, but i think without a second 9/11 they need at least some other "catalyzing" event again: Watch out for, hmm... like, an American spy plane sent to Israel, then shot down over Lebanon - the kick off for WWIII: Iran enters after Bush declares war on Lebanon, Syria joins Iran etc. etc. etc.

Agreed, I was all along thinking we'd detonate a nuke in Israel and blame it on Iran to start the invasion.
I was an idiot. All it took was Israel, empowered by U.S.-made aircraft to start that war.

I'm thinking of inflated gas prices & shortages and the military draft.
Not in that order.
R | 07.14.06 - 1:02 pm | #

are you from the randi rohdes bb.. if so i remember reading you theory about that a long time ago... the name is close so it might be you...

"Prove to us it was outside because that's all we're asking for."

All of your questions have been answered for years. You do not need to repeat them over and over as if you've never heard them before. Listen. Focus. Think.

Give up your conspiracy fanatsies and join the real world.

Give up your conspiracy fanatsies and join the real world.
9/11 wan an outside job | 07.14.06 - 1:55 pm |
____________________---
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

"Iran enters after Bush declares war on Lebanon"

Not likely. There is no need for regime change in Lebanon.

I speculate, again on speculating, that Israel will hit Syria...Irand will come to Syria's aid...then Bingo, chapter #2.

Outside job,

I agree with you!

That at least one outside hand was involved in 9/11.

>All of your questions have been >answered for years.

It's an old trick to "fill in the blanks" in a questionnaire with B.S., thereby technically "answering" everything. Then when someone challenges you on the actual responses you gave, you just dispute everything he critizises.

- And that's what these gangsters of the 9/11 commission did. They answered "whodoneit" (OBL) and "why" (because they hate our freedoms...), only that it was all lies.

"Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah declares in broadcast after Israeli airstrike on his HQ: "We will go to open war."

Good job, DZ!

My two cents:
Rep. Nass is clearly not one to give up easily

>Give up your conspiracy fanatsies >and join the real world.
>9/11 wan an outside job | 07.14.06 - >1:55 pm | #

Even if the official story is true - and i wish it were true because it would make the world much simpler -, I'm not agreeing with the "War On Terror". I don't agree to trade "freedom for safety". If terrorists want to blow me up, because i happen to be on the train or building they're targeting, then i accept that, i'm not afraid of dying.

Mr Nass' obsession proves us all right: Why do you think is he so mad at Keving for his 9/11 views? If it were so outrageously false what Kevin says, nobody would believe it anyway. But it's precisely the fact that it's all very convincing, that it's political "dynamite", that Nass tries to keep it in check.

Even if the official story is true - and i wish it were true because it would make the world much simpler -, I'm not agreeing with the "War On Terror". I don't agree to trade "freedom for safety". If terrorists want to blow me up, because i happen to be on the train or building they're targeting, then i accept that, i'm not afraid of dying.
Greg | Homepage | 07.14.06 - 2:06 pm | #

well put... im not afraid either... i think were at a point that telling a stranger that 911 was done by our government doesnt make you look crazy...

i asked some red necks if they wanted a dvd about 911 and they looked at me strange and i said " those fucking buildings were blown up" and their eyes got wide and said oh its that kind of flick huh????

people are on to these guys.. another guy asked me if it was about the how the towers came down...

its coming out and they cant stop it...

Bush has just absolutely overused 9/11 and the terrorist threat, along with the words "democracy" and "freedom". Actually nobody wants to go to the great lengths of a global war just to have more safety or some undefined "freedom".

thatss right, they have lied so much and got caught that i used to say to people, if you think they are lying about everything they say/do then why would anyone believe their story about 911???

it makes people think... they have over played 911 big time....

even if it was al ciaduh(it wasnt) they have still over played their hand big time....

i have 8 dvds left to burn out of my 100 stack.... this is just the start....

Even if the official story is true - and i wish it were true because it would make the world much simpler -, I'm not agreeing with the "War On Terror". I don't agree to trade "freedom for safety". If terrorists want to blow me up, because i happen to be on the train or building they're targeting, then i accept that, i'm not afraid of dying.
Greg | Homepage | 07.14.06 - 2:06 pm | #
exactly how i feel. even without the big lie of 9/11, the "war on terror" is a massive farce filled with hypocrisy on both sides. we fund "terrorists", "terrorists" take americas "dirty money". both sides get paid well while the soldiers on both sides die for lies.the "muslim extremists" think they are dying for "allah". the U.S. soldiers think they are dying for "freedom".this isnt a "clash of civilizations" like both hypocritical sides want you to think, this is a class war on a global level.if you aint rich, you will soon not matter at all.

"Anybody here from the Madison area?"

KB?

Bruce got back to me this morning saying the press has misconstrued his statements and that this is untrue. Bruce said in part, “…the Linklater statements have been completely misconstrued, as usual by the media.”
[I]tÂ’s clear that some media are just attaching BruceÂ’s name to gain traction. I will not talk about private communications so will keep this very brief by saying I know BruceÂ’s support for the troops is ongoing and, if anything, increasing. Bruce does not believe this conspiracy theory.
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/07/14/yippee-ki-yay-bruce-willi...

looks like Bruce Willis is a moron and a coward after all.

"i think were at a point that telling a stranger that 911 was done by our government doesnt make you look crazy... "

The point is that the government didn't have anything to do with 9/11, the buildings weren't blown up, the hijackers were Arab, the evidence is overwhelming, you've all been shown the facts, yet you make such blatantly stupid statements like the above.

That is the reason the MSM, whose coverage you so desperately desire, reminds you that you are nuts.

There is only one thing to do. Get off the silly 9/11 conspiracy merrygoround, get an education, and stop wasting your time on children's fairy tales. You've all been brainwashed by irrationality.

9/11 was an outside job | 07.14.06 - 2:55 pm | #

please show us links to the facts you are asserting.

Greg, just a friendly FYI:

I went to my first meeting of a local 9/11 action group on Wednesday. Out of 10-12 people, 3 were folks who appeared to be in their seventies. My parents -- in their sixties -- have been very receptive to everything I've told/shown them about 9/11. In the video that Ian C. made, the one guy who agreed that the OV is a lie appeared to be in his 60s or 70s (and is the father of a Marine.)

I think that some older people are a) scared about what kind of world they're leaving to their grandkids and b) have been around the block enough times to be cynical about the powers that be.

I say this only because I wouldn't want anyone doing direct work with people in public to write off old folks.

YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT!!!!

I FEEL VERY HONORED THAT I GOT TO WATCH YOU ALL GET THIS GOING

WOW_____

YALL ARE GONNA SAVE THE PLANET

An op-ed piece in the New York Sun can be found here:

http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/10258976.html

The ending:

Ephraim Sneh, a former general and Labor Party leader who is the Israeli longest drawing attention to the approaching conflict with Iran, is saying that the current moment reminds him of the Spanish Civil War. The broader global forces are aligned; local actors are committed. It is a bloody test, a macabre dress rehearsal, for what lies over the horizon.

The war with Iran has begun.

i say the older the better!!!

Uh oh. Looks like "Outside Job" turned off his spellcheck again.

"At about 12:30 p.m. (1630 GMT) this afternoon ... an employee opened an envelope that contained a white powdery substance. The envelope was handwritten and addressed to the New York Times, not to any individual. The postmark was from Philadelphia with no return address," said Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis."

You have to be kidding me?! Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

Pissing off the Times could very well work in our favour so long as they don't buckle.

>people in public to write off old >folks.
>casseia | 07.14.06 - 5:00 pm | #

Maybe it's not that they are refusing conspiracy views. But the MSM blackout hides the truth from those that aren't reading Blogs.

My motto about 9/11 is: Not everything is a conspiracy, but not everything is not a conspiracy.

not everyone has the net!!!

plus, most people dont even read....

thats why i say dvds are they to spread the truth...

"I mean, where have you been, buried in a cave"

No that's OBL
ps no hard evidence: FBI
8)

they = they way

I wrote an email to Paul Craig Roberts last night. He replied today with this short comment: "Israel is leading us into a wider war. See Ramando on Antiwar.com today."

Greg --

I think that's a great motto and exactly what I think.

The MSM blackout is undoubtedly hiding the truth, and young and old alike refuse to seek it out for themselves. That's a huge problem. But within what might *look* like a homogeneous group of senior citizens, there are people with critical thinking abilities, personal histories that encourage them to seek alternative viewpoints (i.e. having been in the labor movement, the civil rights movement, the feminist movement) and people with a lot of TIME on their hands. They can be a very powerful political bloc for that last reason. Man, I'm psyching myself up to go show DVDs at some retirement places, just thinking about it.

DVDs, and the ability to replicate them at home, has got to approach the internet in terms of potential persuasive power. I just wish there was one that said exactly what I want to say and didn't say exactly what I don't want said.

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inside wrote:

"not everyone has the net!!!

plus, most people dont even read....

thats why i say dvds are they to spread the truth..."

Well, not everyone has a dvd player either

Seriously, there doesn't have to be a lot of info. Just a link to movie clip of the collapse of wtc7.. something that will spark ppl's interest. It's like advertising.. after all, it worked for the official story. Funny how the politicians repeated Osama bin Laden over and over, yet FBI still haven't found any links.
fhb | 07.14.06 - 12:35 pm | #

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inside wrote:

"not everyone has the net!!!

plus, most people dont even read....

thats why i say dvds are they to spread the truth..."

Well, not everyone has a dvd player either ;)

Seriously, there doesn't have to be a lot of info put in the comment section. Just a link to movie clip of the collapse of wtc7, or something that will spark ppl's interest. It's like advertising.. after all, it worked for the official story. Funny how the politicians repeated Osama bin Laden over and over, yet FBI still haven't found any links.

argh..

"..."W.G.Tarpley predicted it: "9/11 truth is the only way to stop WWIII".....As usual, Tarpley is right.
maddog ..."

Interestingly Tarpley has this from me and our watch thread at team8plus on increased wargames and terror drills, but also various articles on t8+ on that matter, from which he also reports weekly in his radio show.

As a matter of fact, Tarpley and me developed the idea of this watch thread during the DC Emergency Truth Convergence 1 year ago.

I corresponded also with him several time this year, that the Iran war threat is just a side show.
It appears now, that Tarpley finally describes also the bigger threats, including from the SCO (T8+ reported), the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, which is planning their own eurasian wargame next year as in opposite to US' "Final Strike" (code word for WW including any kind of paralell scenarios, plus an ongoing virtual wargame which started some months ago and NEVER stopped. It can be logged in via military servers and is constantly updated 24/7)

As a matter of fact, it is worldwar IV/V, were talking about.

I wrote already 2 years ago about Eliot Cohen's definition of WW4, which started right away after 9/11.
WW3 was in his opinion the cold war.

This definition was then also picked up by Norman Podhoretz and James Woolsey, ex CIA (both PNAC).

I also described 2 years ago a scenario with a fake Al-quaeda cell in Taiwan attacking china with weaponized bird flu.

Elements of this scenario had been drilled by now some months ago- in Taiwan!!

I even was surprised how close i was, but all i did was connecting some documentation on that matter 2 years ago. I wrote it even before a regular flu threat was hyped and recreated avian flu only known in some scientific circles, which inspired me for my scenario.

The India-Pakistan conflict including 7/11 and the just started war of Israel against Lebanon is part of the endgame.
Same to the Egypt-Jordan conflict and egypt's false flags some months ago.

US congress has yet to approve TRIDENT II, then we know the countdown tickers.

We still have an ongoing thread on this at team8plus.
'Bird Flu': From psyOP and population control to "WW4"
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1515

Holy crap! A Nico Haupt post that isn't about cartoon planes! What's the catch?

I am beginning to agree with Jim Hoffman that the Silverstein "pull it" quote may have been deliberate bait for our movement. I am no longer mentioning it to people I discuss 9/11 with. There is far too much better evidence linking WTC7 to controlled demolition than that quote.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/...nce/ pullit.html

The comment by WTC leaseholder Silverstein has the appearance of bait, eliciting the widespread circulation of an interpretation that is easily denied if not refuted. The story has functioned to eclipse the overwhelming case for demolition based on the physical characteristics of the collapse documented in photographs and videos of the event and the rubble pile that resulted.
jj111 | 07.14.06 - 4:42 pm | #

I disagree. Silverstein was talking out his ass when he said that he & the NYC Fire Dept. decided to pull WTC-7.

Silverstein was asked what happened during a PBS documentary, and he had to make up something quick on how his over-insured building inexplicably imploded.

The building was pulled all right, but not by the NYC Fire Dept.!

The MSM blackout is undoubtedly hiding the truth, and young and old alike refuse to seek it out for themselves.

Well yes, but it's more than a blackout. They have deliberately brainwashed everyone with the "official verstion" for years! That's a very difficult thing to undo for us.

Keep reminding everyone of Silverstein's lie, and force him to keep trying to explain it away!!! He may well slip-up again!

Anon 6:02

Yes, that's certain. This has to have been one of the most effective, wide-spread psy-ops ever.

"Keep reminding everyone of Silverstein's lie, and force him to keep trying to explain it away!!! He may well slip-up again!" I totally agree. WTC7 isn't just a smoking gun, It is proof positive of an inside job. This is the one area the neocons fear most. It can not be explained away. And yes we are at the "endgame" as Nico puts it. The endgame for the neocons and their elite backers. Finally America and the rest of the world is waking up. 9/11 was their downfall. As I said before they underestimated the power of the internet. Ironically, the military invented the net.

"Keep reminding everyone of Silverstein's lie, and force him to keep trying to explain it away!!! He may well slip-up again!"

It's better to remind everyone of your lies about Silverstein, bubba. It has been proven over and over and over that Silverstein could not have meant "pull the building down." But you'll all deliberately lie about it anyway.

You pathetic nutters don't fool anyone.

Thanks for the post "Sky" King. I needed a good laugh. It has been a long day.

S. King, do you get paid by taxpayer dollars, or are you funded by some other source? Just curious....

The other day the BBC described WTC7 as having 'burned to the ground'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2497389.stm

I sent this email to the Head of News, Helen Boaden. I await a reply.

Dear Helen Boaden,

I feel close to despair when confronted with the appalling slovenly mish-mash that passes as reporting on your website. It would embarass a first-time hack on a small-time local newspaper.

The subject in question is the rebuilding of World Trade Centre Seven by Larry Silverstein.

Your assertion that the original building World Trade Centre Seven ''burned to the ground after the twin towers collapsed'' is not supported by the evidence as provided by the official US report from the National Institute for Standards and Technology (N.I.S.T)

In its report , the Institute decided that, in the case of World Trade Centre Seven,

The NIST investigation team has formulated the following chronological sequence of major events leading to the eventual collapse of WTC 7:
• An initial local failure at the lower floors (below Floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event), which supported a large span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet.
• Vertical progression of the initial local failure up to the east penthouse, as large floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, bringing down the interior structure below the east penthouse.
• Horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of Floors 5 and 7, that were much thicker than the rest of the floors), triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, resulting in the disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

In summary , N.I.S.T. have stated that the building collapsed as a result of fires and structural damage and did not 'burn to the ground'
It may be also of interest that N.I.S.T. subsquently qualify this hypothesis as being ''of low probability''.
The alternative possibility is that the building was demolished by pre-positioned explosives. a view held by, among others, the German Defence Minister Andreas Von Bülow and the former head of the 'Star Wars 'programme , Dr Robert Bowman.
This is clearly evident from the many videos showing a near free-fall collapse of the entire structure in 6.5 seconds.

Further useful information can be found at:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc7.html
http://st911.org
http://911proof.com
http://nineeleven.co.uk

The reason it is so important for the BBC to get its facts right is that the truth is a matter of concern to those whose relatives died that day.
A few minutes research could have avoided the situation where the BBC's competence as a news medium of record is to be called into question.

Yours sincerely

Andrew Lowe-Watson

Anybody here from the Madison area?
Mr. X | 07.14.06 - 12:59 pm | #

Yup. Why?

I love how Nass says he couldnt win a debate against someone who claimed the Earth was flat.

"That's the same as me saying 'The world is flat. Now you prove me wrong,'" Nass said

1 picture would prove that wrong. Is Nass such a terrible debater that he could not win this debate?

I'd believe Silverstein had he expressed shock and surprise at his $500 mil. WTC7 crashing down.
But instead he just said he and the fire chief "then watched the building collapse". As if it had been pre-planned show. For the owner of WTC7 that doesn't fit, not to care about his own assets, it's like a field commander saying "and we watched our last soldier getting shot".

"S. King, do you get paid by taxpayer dollars, or are you funded by some other source? Just curious...."

People like me don't need to get paid to tell you to get an education and learn how to think rationally.

But plenty of peole here have a motive for lying about 9/11. And Silverstein.

Ask anyone here to refute the evidence that Silverstein meant "pull the firefighting effort" and they will go into hysterics. They know they can't.

4:20 time for a smoke.
Chris Rose | Homepage | 07.14.06 - 4:26 pm | #
reminds me of me.HA.

Shill King: If Silverstein meant that firefighters should exit the building (none were inside anyway) or leave the area, he would've said, "pull-out" or "pull-back" NOT "pull-it."

Silverstein was asked why WTC-7 fell on a PBS documentary. With all the incriminating videos clearly showing a controlled implosion, the shyster had to say something.

9/11 truth is based on an enormous pattern, practice, & serious of preposterous events that occurred before, during, & after 9/11! All of these taken together are irrefutable proof that 9/11 was an inside job.

And the pattern of behavior by the many many fake 911 truthers is also recognizable.

Note the 911 "truthers" who tell lies about Bush's incriminating witness statements: Mike Rivero (whatreallyhappened.com), Barrie Zwicker (911truth.org, greatconsipracy.ca), Jared Israel (emperors-clothes.com), same as Jarrett Murphy (villagevoice.com). Honest investigators question remarkable statements, they don't ignore, dismiss, and/or tell lies about, them, in a "Nothing important to see here, Citizen. Move along!" fashion.

The Naudet video evidence of a mysterious unexplained unexamined! phenomenally-brief phenomenally-bright burst of light upon impact has similarly been ignored, devalued, degraded, disregarded, and dismisses.

WAKE UP, PEOPLE: 911truth.org leads the disinfo charge! Many disinfo resources have been and are being applied to the quest for truths about 9/11.

Note the many (nearly all!) 911 "truthers" who fail to point out that THE AIRCRAFT IN THE PENTAGON VIDEO IS TOO SMALL TO BE A 757 and thus IS NOT FLIGHT 77! Kevin Barrett, David Kubiak (911truth.org), John Judge (911citizenswatch.org), Kyle Hence (multiple sites), Bob Bowman, Carol Brouillet (communitycurrency), Janice Matthews (911visibility), Jim Hoffman (wtc7.net), Michael Wolsey (colorado911visibility), Mark Robinowitz (oilempire), Alex Jones, Ken Jenkins, Mike Rivero (there's that name again), Nick Levis (ny911truth.org), Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul, Steven Jones, etc etc etc etc. What the hell is wrong with all those people? The list is SO long that it would be easier to point to those who actually promote the govt-lie-killing evidence instead of those who either ignore it or else actively try to downplay it: http://911blimp.net/prf_911commRpt.shtml#pentagon and this web page (some of its conclusions are suspect, but its quantitative analysis has never been disproved, or even challenged!).

Also, for Kevin Barrett to be publishing 9/11 jokes makes us all look like we're doing this for our amusement. And, of course, you can't say "mujca" without thinking "Muslim", which is the lie, not the truth, of 9/11...

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IMHO, the best single measure of a 911 presentation's value is how
impossible the presenter makes it for people to keep clinging to the
belief that they can blame Muslim hijackers for 9/11. Further, if the
presentation tries to advance that unfounded belief (especially
subliminally), then it is acting as govt propaganda.
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