Whats the best way to deal with the holocaust-denier-comparison
em7 Sun, 09/17/2006 - 10:54am
I get to hear this more and more. This drives me insane. Thinking about this has the potential to ruin my whole day. Nothing since a long time has made me
feel as violent as this does. Should i just ignore it? But how can I ? Man, this is the most-evil argument agains the truth ever. I have to learn to deal with this
without killing people.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Simple...
Say the Holocaust did happen, and that 3000 people were murdered on 9/11.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
Or...
If you want to compare the Nazi Regime with the Bush Regime, let's talk about the Reichstag Fire, and 9/11.
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"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."
Yea, thats one of the
Yea, thats one of the reasons i get sooo on fire when i hear the "argument" . I feel like collapsing in freefall speed. Its the worst possible form of false-logic-propaganda-crap or whatever one wants to call it.
makes he hate this world.
i like you guys tho.
The problem with this is
The problem with this is that its simply not possible to talk about the Reichstag Fire and 911 with people who dont understand. You have to start at an other point.
Its not a place to start. Hitler comparisons scare people off. Immediately switches the 'crazy conspiracy - dont take serious' button on. People need to go truh other shit first before they can allow such a comparison to happen in a reasonable way me thinks.
easy
holocaust is documents by nazi documents released and survivor testimony and mass graves and physical concentration camps found... there is no CONCLUSIVE evidence either was to towers destruction (besides visual interpretations and things like molten metal) Its easy to see that one is EASILY VERIFYABLE and one is not. The comparison is moot.
the problem is not so much
the problem is not so much that i dont know what the difference between the two is. Its more a question of how to handle the feelings that come up. Disgust and a portion of desperateness i have to admit. Not born out of no ideas what to say, but more so by 'too many things to say so where to start and make it short and as reasonable as possible without turning his head around'. Ok, it simply comes down to 'whats the best short answer' . Thanks for the tips so far.
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It's not that the Holocaust didn't happen
The holocaust did happen, but the number of Jews exterminated is not 6,000,000, and it is at this point where the dispute lies.
I have researched this and found through much grief and harassment that the number is more likely 40-50% less than the 6,000,000.
Another significant thing in doing this research is that it is illegal in many Western countries to dispute and/or deny the holocaust ever happened.
Using the same criteria by claiming that any other nation does not exist, or that any other ethnic group can be disputed as non-existant or significant is not illegal in the same Western countries.
I must add that I am not anti-Semite, or Pro-Semite, just Pro-American, Anti-Neocon, and Anti-Talmudic Zionist.
Read more at this site; http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/index.html
If you want to find out how many Zionists own the media, read the info at this site; http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/
So you agree it happened
How then do you justify playing into a stereotype and providing ammunition to opponents of 9/11 truth?
Sorry to be so harsh, and I'm not just talking to you. If you want to question history, fine. I agree that people should not be put in jail for denying the Holocaust.
If you think Israel was involved in 9/11, that's fine, too.
My personal beliefs about the facts and the significance of the Holocaust and the morality of questioning it aside, I think that anyone questioning 9/11 should not question the Holocaust in public. It does nobody in this movement any good, and I would submit that if Israel is involved in 9/11, their secret services would be happy that you are reinforcing this association between 9/11 questioners and Holocaust deniers, because it turns people off. You can deplore that state of affairs, but I think you should recognize it.
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I wonder, Ningen...
Why you just posted acomment now to a blog posted over six months ago?
Let me take a wild guess... to get the old post back at the top of the "tracker"?
Interesting approach, I must admit!
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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
Close... but no (insert noun)
This is the ol' threading system at work. Ningen's not your man.
I noticed because Jon posted this on several threads. I think there's a name for this practice. Luncheon meat? Tofurkey?
I stand corrected, thanks Cass...
So let me get this straight... some people don't like 9/11 truth being conflated with the you know what issue, but they will actually comment on 6 month old posts involving the you know what issue to get them to the top of the tracker. Hmmmmm. Very interesting. I wonder how site admin feels about this?
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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
I think part of it is Nico "socks" at work
Yesterday there was shill activity(before they were banned) on a thread with his posts--and I think he might be "killtwoofers".
James Bennet is about to get an email from 911bloglines....
Don't worry if you don't understand--it's complicated. ;-)
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
In this case, I would say we are sockless.
Though we have mittens, always.
No -- Jon really liked that comic and looked for/found several threads where he could put it. Nonetheless, your spooky intrigue sounds interesting.
I see--guess I'm wrapped up in spookiness
Check your email. Also this old thread:
http://911blogger.com/node/2421
I should have guessed sooner...
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
No -- you check *your* email. Bleh!
Yes, I saw that other old thread -- but wasn't that porn spam I mean deviled ham?
Check both emails.
So what if I did?
It was at the top of tracker and I made a comment. I didn't even notice it was old. Looks like Jon bumped it up.
I've stated what I think about Holocaust talk here and on the other thread. I mean no offense and absolutely mean no accusation, but I think it's poison. You may deplore this state of affairs, as I do on principle, but you should recognize it.
I apologize Ningen, I made a mistake
I wondered why a post from 6 months was at the top of tracker, and looked through the posts and yours had the earliest time today--except that it didn't--I didn't notice the one that was actually posted first today. It was someone else's but I'm not allowed per site admin request to say who it was. It was the very colorful post below... So when people say we shouldn't discuss the holocaust and then make a point of causing 6 month old posts on the subject to appear on tracker by commenting on them, well it's a bit hypocritical.
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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
No problem
This all started at the blog on the Chertoff article and I've just been following the debate from there. Thank you for apologizing.
By stopping the promotion/defending...
Of Holocaust "revisionism" on 9/11 Truth sites?
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
My view
I find it ironic that people who would consider the possibility of their government killing its own citizens are compared to people who deny the possibility of another government killing its own citizens.
Who is in denial?
To me...
Holocaust "revisionism" is the act of justifying/rationalizing what the Nazis did to the Jews. To me, it is no different than the traitorous "debunkers" of today trying to make George W. Bush come off smelling clean with regard to 9/11. Has Israel used the Holocaust to get their way at the expense of others? You bet your ass they have. However, that is an entirely different argument. It most certainly does not mean the atrocities that took place under the Nazi Regime didn't happen.
If you have the opportunity, I would suggest talking to any of the Holocaust Survivors around today, and ask them about their experiences. It will put a different perspective on the argument.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
If you are attacked as a Holocaust denier because of 911truth--
Just remember it's an attempt to discredit with a distraction--and respond with a distraction of your own--like a bracing discussion about the Nazi connections to the Bush familly.
This link is a great place to start:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_08_31_dneiwert_archive.html
Google "Prescott Bush Nazis" for more.
Have no mercy. Do not stop. Hammer the wanker with the TRUTH about how the Bushes made their money---until they admit they were out of line.
Jenny has no fucking patience with this "thing" anymore.
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
Me neither...
Jenny.
"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton
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ha, i was quite surprised to see this old blog bumbed up. i wrote that when the H.-denier comparison was just about to become 'popular' . and actually, during the last months, i learned to deal with it:) no longer gets me angry. just causes a little sigh#.
anyway, thanx for all the tips, everyone. my reaction depends on the person im talking to, but yea, the prescott-nazi connection is def. one of my favourites.