911 - Why We Fight

http://www.rense.com/general74/911why.htm

The first time I shouldered my Scott airpack, a self contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) and pressed the face mask and respirator to my face and mounted the ladder over the hotbox, I panicked and nearly fainted. My heart pounded; I couldn't breath! A sudden burst of air, however, from the release valve, relieved the feeling of suffocation, but drew a quick scolding from my firefighting instructor. Stop breathing in bursts, he said; remain calm, and follow your team leader.

At 56, never too old to learn, I was trying to become a certified firefighter.

Descending into the hotbox, a converted shipping container purposely set aflame and smoldering, I remained low and crawled to the source of the fire. One by one, the team of novices cooled the fire before retreating. Outside we breathed a collective sigh of relief, having passed the first test.

The other day I watched Fahrenheit 911 again, thinking I may have missed something in the documentary. Bravura filmmaking, especially the edited scenes at the base of the twin towers, particularly the scenes of emotionally stricken people at the WTC, the documentary only focuses on 9-11 briefly. Accompanied by music befitting the death knell of nearly three thousand victims, we see the shock, the stunned disbelief, and the impending death. Among the victims were more than 343 firefighters who stood a thousand feet below the fire and realized what they had to do. Knew what they were trained to do. Knew they had to shoulder their Scott airpacks and climb hundreds of feet, passing terrified people along the way.

In the film I watched a group of New York firefighters shoulder their Scott airpacks and move towards the towers. Did anyone of that group survive, I wondered?

Some people watching the film (with 20/20 hindsight) may have thought the firefighters crazy. Obviously the buildings were coming down. At least that is what the well-paid experts tell us today. What fools those firefighters were. Why would they rush into collapsing buildings?

Because skyscrapers had never collapsed before or since. No sizeable steel building had ever burned and then collapsed. Even the architects and designers of the Twin Towers had factored in an airliner, filled with fuel, crashing into the towers.

But this was no ordinary fire, no ordinary rescue, no ordinary series of tragic events. This was a manufactured terror event destined to have far-reaching and epic repercussions.

One objective observer, Wall Street Journal reporter John Bussey, described the collapse of the south tower from the ninth floor of the WSJ office building: "I . . . looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor. . . . One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces."

Why We Fight

Had most if not all the 343 firefighters lived, had everyone escaped, had the buildings not collapsed, the firefighters would have been living heroes. They would have added their testimony to that of the working class survivors, firefighters with nothing to hide. Here is just a portion of testimony that utterly destroys the fraudulent official version of 9-11.

"I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?" said Assistant Fire Commissioner, Stephen Gregory. Now why would a top firefighting official like Gregory lie? And if telling the truth, why was no one listening?

"There was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions." Added firefighter Richard Banaciski. Once again, was Banaciski mistaken in what he saw?

These two quotes were only a sampling from a collection of 9/11 oral histories recorded by the FDNY at the end of 2001. Understandably, they were never publicly released until August 12, 2005. The testimonies suggested more than one explosion occurred in the towers. For example, FDNY Captain Dennis Tardio recalled: "I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the (south tower) building is being imploded, from the top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom."
Readers often ask me why we in the 911 Truth Movement bother to pose logical questions to the tragedy that took so many lives--and continues to take so many lives. People wonder why we fight, why we dissent, why we question the official story when so many so-called patriots remain quiet? Because a great crime was commited and never fully investigated. Because nobody can speak for the dead unless we do it.

Firefighter Louie Cacchioli entered the north tower lobby and saw elevator doors completely blown out and people struck by debris. "How could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above?" Debunkers claim the blast from the impact and subsequent fuel explosion destroyed the lobby, elevators and sub basement floors.

However, after Cacchioli reached the 24th floor, he and another fireman heard a sizeable, secondary blast. "This huge explosion that sounded like a bomb [and] knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator." Had Cacchioli simply heard the tower coming down at that exact moment, he would have been crushed before he escaped. Instead, after prying themselves out of the elevator, they heard "Another huge explosion like the first one... This one hits about two minutes later." Two minutes later? Once again, logically, had he heard the tower pancaking down around them, rather than a series of explosions, Cacchioli and his partner would have NOT have had time to escape from the tower to testify.

Thus exposing the government version of 9-11 events as an outright lie, an outright fraud, a house of cards composed of treachery and deception. Thus exposing, in no uncertain terms, the cabal of government experts and self-styled 911 "debunkers" as either unquestioning patriots, unwitting accomplices, or worse: willing co-conspirators.

Not until the credible testimony of those who actually experienced the controlled demolition of the WTC is given due weight, not until the testimony of those who witnessed and experienced the destruction from the inside and outside of the buildings is properly investigated, will justice be served. Until then we will continue to fight with the only weapons we possess. Dissent and dissemination of suppressed evidence. Until then America has witnessed the controlled killing of 343 firefighters without due process of law. Those brave men who shouldered heavy gear and marched to their doom were sacrificed. If the intentional murder of these trusting public servants is allowed to stand, this nation will weaken and fall. Because any nation that permits an unending series of crimes against itself cannot last long, nor does it deserve to.

USAF veteran, certified firefighter, longtime Alaska fisherman and recent novelist of crime novel, The Guns of Dallas, Douglas Herman writes for Rense frequently.

The eyewitness account by the WSJ reporter is very powerful:

One objective observer, Wall Street Journal reporter John Bussey, described the collapse of the south tower from the ninth floor of the WSJ office building: "I . . . looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor. . . . One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces."

I'll bet there are some high-quality videos that depict, in both

clear video & audio, what John Bussey is stating above. These videos are probably being held under-wraps from the public, so we need to locate & release them.

Have you seen this...

...not so high quality video? Bob and Bri recorded video from their apartment of the collapses. Their vantage point would have been somewhat similar, perhaps, to WSJ reporter John Bussey's, only higher and a little farther away.

What we saw - Bob and Bri
Released on sept 11 2006.
Revver - 26 min - Sep 14, 2006
(13643 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370762387415552903&q=9%2F11+br...

World Trade Center (WTC) (9/11) - What Bob And Bri Saw That Day (LIVE)
Choi Style Productions - 26 min - Oct 7, 2006
(413 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4256675597508654859&q=9%2F11+br...

Highlights of Bob & Bri's 9/11 video
Highlights from Bob & Bri's 9/11 video. Video is composed of 3 clips. First one shows 2 explosions on the face of one of the towers. These occur at ...
Bob & Bri - 34 sec - Nov 6, 2006
(3 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=653266204351004745&q=9%2F11+bri&...

--
The true threat to liberty comes not from terrorists but from our political leaders whose natural inclination is to seize upon any excuse to diminish them.
~~ Walter Williams, Nightly Business Report, September 2001

Bush is still getting 31% support because 3 of 4 Christian

Fundamentalists still believe his lies & jingoisms, & in his illegal war in Iraq, as stated in this article:
http://www.antiwar.com/sperry/?articleid=10087

(If we could spread some 9/11 truth to these people, we could knock Bush's approval to 5-10%, where it should be!)

"...Yet Bush has us trapped in Iraq – can't stay, can't leave. Trapped.

Is it God's will that we stay? Christian Zionists and Rapturists may believe that. I don't. But so long as the Christian Right keeps propping up the Iraq war as a noble cause because they trust Bush to be a noble Christian man, this farce may play out to its bloodiest absurdity. I believe preachers, elders, deacons, and other church leaders will have the final say in how long this farce runs, because they have the moral authority to sway the 3 in 4 evangelicals who still support Bush and his Baghdad bloodbath.

Will they continue to put their faith in princes and sons of men in whom there is no salvation?"

I find it hard to believe

I find it hard to believe that no poll has ever placed junior below thirty percent. Perhaps there's an unwritten rule not to "go there". Or perhaps Fundies really are this stupid. It beggars belief that so many "Christians" missed the whole "thou shalt not kill" bit at the beginning of the Bible.

some of us are trying

I've been delivering 9/11 truth and related issues (destruction of the US Constitution, illegal Iraq invasion, torture, etc.) to Christian fundamentalists for over a year. I've contacted thousands of ministries, evangelists, etc. Its a tough task.

News editor at The Watchman Report, www.watchmanreport.com, delivering 9/11 truth to the Christian community

"I've contacted thousands of

"I've contacted thousands of ministries, evangelists, etc. Its a tough task."

Wow. that's impressive. And admirable. I'll be honest and say I don't think I could do the same. IMO the most effective way of reaching religious people is to start with a clip from Alex Jones' video on Bohemian Grove and then explain Straussian philosophy. It's important for Christians to understand that their religion has been hijacked, not by Muslims but by false prophets. Elites regard religion as a tool, nothing more.

I also think it's important to emphasize metaphorical interpretations of religious texts (as the authors intended) and reject literalism. Is the earth 10,000 years old? No. Should we still love our neighbors? Yes. Above all, the central messages of love, peace, social justice, respect for the environment and freedom present in all religions must be stressed.

When the subject comes up, I

When the subject comes up, I do go into Bohemain Grove, and Straussian philosophy, and go into the history of covert operations by the US in the post WWII period. I definitely stress religion being used as a tool by elites in power.

As far as going into religious interpretation, I try not to step on anyones toes. They won't listen if they think you are a heretic. I definitely stress the principles of the teachings of Christ and ask people to seriously reflect and pray about if the policies they are supporting actually line up with those teachings. Alot of Mat 7:15-20 (Wherefore by theirr fruits ye shall know them).

News editor at The Watchman Report, www.watchmanreport.com, delivering 9/11 truth to the Christian community

You are 100% correct, and I am a born-again Christian.

One of the high-level problems on this, from my viewpoint, is that the pastors of the Christian churches of America can not speak the truth from the pulpits (even if they knew the truth about 9/11, which I believe they predominantly don't -- (sigh) just like the rest of America).

Why can't they speak 9/11 truth form the pulpit?

Because if they did their 501-c3 tax emept status would be pulled in a heartbeat by the IRS.

The tentacles of the monster go deep.

The Lord Jesus said, "I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"

Evangelicals support Bush

How about leafletting cars while the people are in church. A message under the car wiper is hard to ignore, and has the potential to get people talking there and then. A simple succinct message pointing to the major inconsistencies about 9/11 and the subsequent lies issued by the White House can initiate a dialog. Obviously the majority will dismiss the idea without further thought but if it opens a few minds, the truth will spread like a virus.

Sobering stuff. Now, who

Sobering stuff.

Now, who was it who told people it was safe to return to their offices?-- after the first plane struck, that is.

I always thought that was calculated evil shite, but maybe that was someone else who, reasonably, didn't expect the towers to fall.

Premeditated murder is always a conspiracy; those who tamper with the investigation or try to prevent one make themselve accessories after the fact...

We're not going away until the criminals have been struck down from their high places of power...

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

That anyone would suggest

That anyone would suggest "safety" in returning to the office after a plane just struck the building is quite fantastic. I think you have something there...

Yeah--I know I'D have pissed

Yeah--I know I'D have pissed off home for the day!

I believe it was members of Giuliani's OEM that told everyone

it was ok to go back to your office.

The OEM guys were running all over directing things until they disappeared just before the Towers started coming down.

Let's have a look at those payroll records, eh?

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Be well.

Bastards. Another good lead

Bastards. Another good lead though, payroll, tax, billing--billings for services can get them when other things fail. Can if fall under FOIA, you think?

Prior knowledge of 9/11 attacks overheard in Hebrew

In October 2000, approximately 11 months prior to September 11, 2001, a former Israeli Defense Force member and veteran of the Yom Kippur War (1973) was collecting English Ivy cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at McCellen and 245 Mount Olive Ave. in Newark, NJ. The Gomel Chesed Cemetery is a ‘Jewish’ cemetery.

In addition to overhearing in Hebrew, the statements, “The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September”, and “Don’t worry, we have people in high places and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything”, the source also reports that he overheard one of the three men in the Gomel Chesed Cemetery say, “The Arabs are so stupid. They don’t even imagine that we are using them.” This comment should not be overlooked.

For the reader that is unfamiliar with the under reported stories of an Israeli connection to September 11, 2001, it is important to do your own research. There is plenty to read and learn. However, as with any other news story that has been purposely censored, you will have to collect the pieces of the puzzle in individual news reports and piece them together to finally see the big picture. Be forewarned, the picture is not pretty.
In closing, here are some additional quotes to consider carefully.

I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing – although that was part of it – by a sovereign government…It will become public at some point when it’s turned over to the archives, but that’s 20 or 30 years from now.”

--Senator Graham (FL) as quoted in Senator: At Least One Foreign Country Assisted the 9/11 Terrorists

"While I agree with you, if I say anything about US geopolitical interests with Israel, I might as well clean off my desk."

-- Unnamed reporter as quoted in American Media Censorship and Israel

"Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide."

-- Carl Cameron, as quoted in The Spies Who Came In From The Art Sale

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

-- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/011206hebrew.htm

\"I was once a 9/11 denier....\"

Friday, December 1, 2006

What about me?

I was once a 9/11 denier, and I am no longer, thanks to all the lovely people are the James Randi Educational Foundation.

The first thing that caught my eye regarding the 9/11 Conspiracies was the Pentagon Strike. I saw that in 2004. I didn\'t really follow on much more from that until I saw Loose Change 911 2nd Edition+Extras in February 2006. This DVD, at the time, opened my eyes and I convinced myself that the Government carried out 9/11. Between February and November I was a firm believer of the conspiracy. Posting on many a-forum with what I thought was evidence of an inside job and what not.

Then I found the James Randi Educational Foundation. Over on the Loose Change message boards, this place is deemed as full of trolls, a stupid place, and is used as an insult to people: \"Go back to JREF\". Pretty much as soon as I saw that they had completely debunked all the 9/11 conspiracy claims, I begun worry regarding the Conspiracy Theory, and after reading many, threads, documents and websites, I reached the conclusion that I was being an idiot.

So here I am now, freshly BANNED from the Loose Change forums (Didn\'t take them long after I had turned to the \'DARK side\', less than 2 weeks) and using this Blog to debunk existing theories regarding the conspiracy. I know there are plenty of 9/11 blogs debunking the CTers, but hey, the more the merrier!

Hope y\'all enjoy what I have to say, and I\'m very open to arguments from CTers, so please contact me. I don\'t HATE you all, because I was one of you, I, just like many of you need to do, reviewed over the for and against material and reached my conclusion.

I don\'t know everything about 9/11, I might just try to cover the main points. I don\'t believe that not knowing everything is the basis for a conspiracy, because thats following that path of Creationists, who build the theory of Creationism on poking holes in evolution.

http://electionnightspecial.blogspot.com/2006/12/911-conspiracies.html

\\\"I was once a 9/11 denier....\\\"

Friday, December 1, 2006

What about me?

I was once a 9/11 denier, and I am no longer, thanks to all the lovely people are the James Randi Educational Foundation.

The first thing that caught my eye regarding the 9/11 Conspiracies was the Pentagon Strike. I saw that in 2004. I didn\\\'t really follow on much more from that until I saw Loose Change 911 2nd Edition+Extras in February 2006. This DVD, at the time, opened my eyes and I convinced myself that the Government carried out 9/11. Between February and November I was a firm believer of the conspiracy. Posting on many a-forum with what I thought was evidence of an inside job and what not.

Then I found the James Randi Educational Foundation. Over on the Loose Change message boards, this place is deemed as full of trolls, a stupid place, and is used as an insult to people: \\\"Go back to JREF\\\". Pretty much as soon as I saw that they had completely debunked all the 9/11 conspiracy claims, I begun worry regarding the Conspiracy Theory, and after reading many, threads, documents and websites, I reached the conclusion that I was being an idiot.

So here I am now, freshly BANNED from the Loose Change forums (Didn\\\'t take them long after I had turned to the \\\'DARK side\\\', less than 2 weeks) and using this Blog to debunk existing theories regarding the conspiracy. I know there are plenty of 9/11 blogs debunking the CTers, but hey, the more the merrier!

Hope y\\\'all enjoy what I have to say, and I\\\'m very open to arguments from CTers, so please contact me. I don\\\'t HATE you all, because I was one of you, I, just like many of you need to do, reviewed over the for and against material and reached my conclusion.

I don\\\'t know everything about 9/11, I might just try to cover the main points. I don\\\'t believe that not knowing everything is the basis for a conspiracy, because thats following that path of Creationists, who build the theory of Creationism on poking holes in evolution.

http://electionnightspecial.blogspot.com/2006/12/911-conspiracies.html

so im curious if you're not

so im curious if you're not a 9/11 conspiracy theorist anymore what are you? do you lean in any way towards lihop or mihop?

if not im very curious where you stand. If you were so easily taken by loose change and thats what did indeed open yours eyes to the theories, were you just as easily taken and manipulated by debunking websites? I've met others who have had similar experiences.

please elaborate on your position of what you think happened on 9/11, im curious to hear a 180 reversal conspiracy theorist talk about it.

Ernie/Grover won't

Ernie/Grover won't bite--I've asked him something similar, with equal civility, a week or so ago. So far hi/er MO is hit/run tactics, mixed with a bit of stalking and gratuitous racist/homophobic insults. Rate him down, and don't expect scintillating discourse.

As for who he is, and where he's from--I've got a lead I'm working on. I took the time last night--missing Doctor WHO--but it's recorded so I'll stop whining---to go through the past blogs, looking for when this troll(possibly trolls) first arrived. From the back slash\\\\\\it appears 'Ernie' used to post as Mormonjihad--unverified. It's possible Ernie, Bert and Grover are one person working from a couple of computers, the\\\\ problem being hitting that key on a differnent keyboard he's not as used to.

I'm not obssessed, really--well, perhaps a bit-- and it's not so much that he/they are trolling as he insists on a)anonymity and b)he just starts disruptive shite that's pointless no matter what you believe .

Like I said, I have a lead; I posted anonymous on a link he left and he may have exposed his hand by assuming I was a 'she' while even his own dittoheads assumed I was an anonymous 'he'. There's more, but this isn't the place and it's inconclusive now. I get something more definite, I'll go to the DA, I mean, the moderators.

Until then, debate with caution or ignore.

"Bugger this; I want a better world."

Very interesting research!

Besides the backslashes, there are the moronic comments that are repeated ad nauseum. It would be interesting to track the one who says "it's the nature of the beast." Woe to the innocent bystander who ever uses that expression in my real-life presence -- they're gonna get smacked, because my pent-up irritation will cause me to lose control.

Yeah, I'm in contact with

Yeah, I'm in contact with the administrator's of the site I suspect he lurks at--bloody hell, you should read what some wackos post at this link--usual shite, truthers anti american, blah, blah blah, general rudeness, a bit of homophobia.

He's been told if he stops causing trouble, he'll be left alone. His respose was: "If I am stirring up trouble, it's only because people refuse to believe arguments based on solid evidence, and that's really not my problem."

(In the intersts of full disclosure this is only part of the interaction-the rest can be seen at 911debunker's guide.)

It's not a confession, but he also doesn't deny it. There is the possibility he trolls so many places he's lost track. Then again a fellow traveller could have left the link, but that dosen't explain how he assumed an anonymous poster was female.

Like I say, inconclusive but suspisious. As for innocuous expresions made annoying by trolling, the one that sets my teeth on edge is: "Blah, blah, to tell the TRUTH. Because if I don't, who will?" [dramatic music]

Gag.

"Bugger this; I want a better world."