Giuliani's plan to capture White House leaked to press

Revealed: Rudy's '08 battle plans

"It's clearly laid out in 140 pages of printed text, handwriting and spreadsheets: The top-secret plan for Rudy Giuliani's bid for the White House.

The remarkably detailed dossier sets out the budgets, schedules and fund-raising plans that will underpin the former New York mayor's presidential campaign - as well as his aides' worries that personal and political baggage could scuttle his run."

Apparently, the leak may be tied to Giuliani's poll numbers early in the GOP race:

"Giuliani leads most public opinion polls of Republican primary voters though he has not announced his candidacy for President. But the dossier, which envisions spending more than $21 million this year alone, shows that Giuliani began meeting with potential supporters last April and that by October, his staff had put in place a detailed plan for a serious bid for the presidency. But they also depict a candidate torn between his prosperous business and a political future full of both promise and risk."

The Giuliani team does not see 9/11 or his screwing of the FDNY as problematic:

"On the same page is a list of the candidate's central problems in bullet-point form: his private sector business; disgraced former aide Bernard Kerik; his third wife, Judith Nathan Giuliani; "social issues," on which is he is more liberal than most Republicans, and his former wife Donna Hanover."


To you.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002


He should not run for Dog Catcher

. Let alone president. HE KNEW IN ADVANCE. That's why he was not permitted entry into the bunker fortified 23rd floor of WTC 7 and had to set up a makeshift command center in the street and had to move that one because he was told that the building was going to come down.
He orchestrated the illegal removal of the evidence, did nothing with the 9/11 commission investigation and sloppy clean-up where they are still finding human remains.
He has done nothing to contribute to get the truth out. He sold his soul and the souls of the thousands who will haunt that part of NYC until they get an independent investigation.
BTW does the NIST report give any information about how human bodies got into such tiny pieces ?
Fires don't do that and the original pancake theory wouldn't do that ?

Good catch. If the Ghoul

Good catch.

If the Ghoul runs it will be a boon to 911 truth, as much as we all cringe at the thought of seeing Sir Rudy's butt-ugly mug on the tele.

This is the information age. Elites haven't quite figured that out yet. It's sort of like the old lords when capitalism was beginning to take root. They didn't properly appreciate the change in paradigm until it was too late.

In this new age, truth will out, and lizards will show their spots. If and when the ghoul runs, the word will spread as to his deeds on 911 and he’ll become a disgrace and a liability.

Now HIllary the war Goddess (or some other soft-ball imperialist), she's the real threat. There may be just enough miseducated fools willing to confuse her friendly fascism with motherly tough love.

No. Not a chance. We're hip. We're savvy. We're awake. We know the game. And we ain't goin' home till we have the prize. ;)

Elites – your time is over. This is the people’s century.

"BTW does the NIST report

"BTW does the NIST report give any information about how human bodies got into such tiny pieces ?"

Excellent point--that trolls will ignore. Taking a guess it isn't in the NIST report, however, I would ask the next not-so-disruptive person exactly that question:

"Where in the NIST report does it explain how the human remains(bones) were pulverised?"

Looking into my crystal ball, the person thus asked will give you a ream of almost relevant NIST quotes and a non-NIST link explaining how human remains can get pulverized. But they will NEVER admit the NIST report is flawed or incomplete.

Predictable, I give them that...

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The NIST has practically

The NIST has practically rewritten the laws of physics so we should expect all sorts of new things in reality; time traveling subways; new homes built in the center of the earth; new eco-tourist trips to the surface of the sun; etc... So you can imagine pulverizing office material, concrete and human remains to miniscule sizes and scattering them all over downtown Manhattan and burying them under sewers and squeezed in cracks atop rooftops is nothing compared to what we can expect with this New Universal/World Order.

center of the Earth

Hitler believed the Earth was hollow

So does this mean I really

So does this mean I really AM a 107 year old woman, who hasn't aged a day past 20, who can electrocute entire fleets?

Oh, Mark....I'm coming to Ground Zero!

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Creatures of the night just can't take a hint:


Be a rainbow, not a pain-bow...

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I recall that the bone

I recall that the bone fragments were discovered on the top of a bank building directly to the east of wtc7? The bone fragments could have flown there when the second plane hit and exploded. The landing gear made a big arc too.

Body parts were all over the

Body parts were all over the site. You may be thinking of the over 600 fragments that were found on top of the Banker's Trust/Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street, on the south side of the site.

The why wasn't the "magic paper passport" shredded at

Ground Zero? How did that "hijacker's" bandanna remain in pristine condition @ Shanksville??? It's called planted evidence, that's how!!!

Your use of the word "magic"

Your use of the word "magic" reveals a flawed understanding of the real world.

The entire "truth movement" is based on the fallacy of personal incredulity. You can't believe that things could have happened this way, so you invent alternate explanations that you prefer, despite their having little or no basis in fact. What baffles me is that the alternate explanations are usually so wildly implausible compared to reality.

I don't know what makes people disbelieve a simple, rational, evidence-backed account, but believe an irrational, wildly complex and improbable explanation of the same event.

Actually, I shouldn't jump to the conclusion that "truthers" have read the evidence-backed accounts in the first place. Very few that I've encountered have read much, if any, of the 9/11 commission report, the NIST reports, the first responder accounts. That's one of the most bizarre things to me: how can you criticize the "official version" if you haven't looked at the evidence that supports it? How can you provide an improbable explanation for a specific event if you haven't examined, or attempted to refute, the rational explanations?

Plane crashed are chaotic events. In addition to the thousands of small body parts that were produced by the WTC impacts, many large parts also remained: torsos, heads, arms, legs. No doubt some of these belonged to the building occupants. Remains of at least 45 of the passengers and crew from the two planes were positively identified. Were those all "planted?"

On the same roof where the 600 body parts were found, a charred AA seat cushion and a life vest were also found. Life vests were also prominent in the street, as EMT Briam Smith describes:

"I'm trying to remember everything in that 20
seconds I'm going past it, but I remember there was
life jackets everywhere, the yellow in - flight life
jackets, and that the contrast of the yellow against
all the gray, you know. It stood out. It was easy for
me to pick it out, and I remember thinking as I saw
that , you know, I guess it must have been a plane
crash, because where the hell else would you get a
bunch of yellow life jackets in the middle of
Manhattan, you know."

In the same account he describes body parts everywhere, as do many of the first responders. Warning: graphic.

I don't think you'll argue that the life vests and body parts were planted, right?

Some mail from the planes even made it through:

"One Letter's Odyssey Helps Mend a Wound
New York Times, Dec. 20, 2001

On Oct. 12, it arrived inside a second envelope at Mrs. Snyder's modest white house on Main Street here, and the instant she took it out and saw it, she says, ''chills just went over me.'' It was singed and crumpled. A chunk was ripped out, giving the bottom of the envelope she had sent the look of a jagged skyline. Mrs. Snyder's lyrical script had blurred into the scorched paper. The stamp, depicting a World War II sailor embracing a woman welcoming him home, was intact.

Along with the letter was a note: ''To whom it may concern. This was found floating around the street in downtown New York. I am sorry if you suffered any loss in this tragedy. Sincerely, a friend in New York!''

Since then, Mrs. Snyder, a customer service representative at a grocery store, has discovered that she has one of only two pieces of mail known to have been recovered from the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. At least one auction house has contacted her, saying she could sell the letter for tens of thousands of dollars."

Likewise, there's nothing miraculous about the bandanna surviving. Many "soft" things survived the crash of flight 93: Lorraine Bay's flight log, mail, and other personal effects:

"United Airlines Flight 93 slammed into the earth Sept. 11 near Shanksville, Somerset County, at more than 500 mph, with a ferocity that disintegrated metal, bone and flesh. It took more than three months to identify the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers...

But searchers also gathered surprisingly intact mementos of lives lost.

Those items, such as a wedding ring and other jewelry, photos, credit cards, purses and their contents, shoes, a wallet and currency, are among seven boxes of identified personal effects salvaged from the site."

So, before jumping to wild conclusions like "planted bandannas," and passports, please,

1) Know the details about the event.

2) State, with facts to back your claim, why the "official" explanation is incorrect.

If you don't do those things, then you're simply being irrational, and you may as well start a church to promote your beliefs. Think of the tax benefits.

Why do you run?

From the facts of 9/11 press for truth?

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let's hear you rebuttle it

Anal-Cranial Inversion

Oi! He's not a vampire--he's got a condition:

Be gentle with him; I was TOTALLY wrong to think he was a creature of the night--There, there, Mark, it's okay! You're safe here!

Give him some choccie biscuits or something.

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Mark Roberts versus 911 Press for Truth

Yes Mark, we are still awaiting your debunking. It's hard to get around that in the long run, you have to say something about it. Just to remind you..

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Poll puts Ghouliani in early lead

Ghouliani is being pitted against Edwards to make Edwards look

good. No way would the powers that be allow Ghouliani, with all his baggage run for President. (There is no 2-Party system in the USA any more. Kerry took a deliberate dive at the end of the 2004 campaign, and didn't even fight the voting fraud!)

Giuliani?! Do we even know

Giuliani?! Do we even know what his foreign policy will be? What is wrong with the American people? We vote for personality and pointless social issues. The political parties are catching on and pick celebrities who can carry their ball into office. Arnold is an example. I heard that Karl Rove pushed Arnold at Bohemian Grove to run for California governor.

When Bush ran in 2000, he foreswore meddling in foreign states, and yet the signatories of the following document all became key members of his administration!!

private sector business

I wonder why his private sector business is a problem for a possible presidental run. Real journalists would wonder, too, and research why there could be conflicts of interests...

Did McCain's people steal Rudy's master plan?

This New York Observer article continues the story of Giuliani's stolen plans.

"Not surprisingly, the Giuliani dossier has become Topic A of conversation among the G.O.P.’s major operatives and fund-raisers, complicating Mr. Giuliani’s now very public plan to raise at least $100 million in 2007 and $25 million in the next three months. The binder, which the Daily News speculated had been put together by Mr. Giuliani’s fund-raiser Anne Dickerson, targeted as its “prospective leadership” several major Republican donors who have already signed up with Arizona Senator John McCain."

Accusations of dirty tricks from Rudy's camp?

"On Tuesday afternoon, Mr. Giuliani’s spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, released a statement asserting that the document was stolen from a staffer’s luggage as Mr. Giuliani campaigned around the country before the midterm elections.

“Because our staffer had custody of this document at all times except for this one occasion, it is clear that the document was removed from the luggage and photocopied,” said Ms. Mindel. “Voters are sick and tired of dirty tricks.”

Barron Thomas, a former Bush fund-raising “Pioneer” who is committed to Mr. Giuliani, took that theory a step further, implying that the dossier was stolen by the camps of Mr. McCain or another potential rival, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney."

The dirty tricks are everywhere, of course. CNN's recent "mistake" that confused Osama bin Laden with Barack Obama, for example. This happened just three weeks after CNN's Jeff Greenfield compared Obama's attire to that of the President of Iran.