9/11 and The Left

Several prominent liberal writers are arguing that 9/11 is a distraction from the fight for progressive causes. Are they right?

Riddle Me This

Before I address that question, let me ask another one:

Q: What do Daniel Ellsberg, Howard Zinn, Medea Benjamin, Robert McChesney, Gore Vidal, Thom Hartmann, Rabbi Michael Lerner, Doris "Granny D" Haddock, Ray McGovern, Paul Hawken, David Cobb, Randy Hayes, Ernest Callenbach, Dennis Bernstein, Paul H. Ray, Michael Franti, Janeane Garafalo and Ed Asner all have in Common?

A: All of these leading liberal voices believe that 9/11 may have been an inside job.

See http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633



http://911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=585&mo de=thread&order=0&thold=0

Moreover, Noam Chomsky is calling for the declassification of 9/11-related documents. And Former ambassador to Iraq Joseph Wilson is dissatisfied with the government's explanation for 9/11.

And Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy has said:

And, of course, the two questions that the Congress would not ask, because the Republicans won’t allow it, is, why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?

So before you go "representing" the liberal position on 9/11, take a look at what these prominent progressives have said.

Between Iraq and a Hard Place

Okay, now let's get down to substance.

The administration's false claims linking Iraq and 9/11 helped convince a large portion of the American public to invade Iraq. While the focus now may be on false WMD claims, it is important to remember that, at the time, the Iraq-911 link was at least as important in many people's minds as a reason to invade Iraq.

Moreover, the trauma of September 11, 2001 is what galvanized many Americans to rally around the Bush administration in general, to close ranks in time of peril, and to give Bush his "mandate" (putting questions of election fraud to the side). Ever since 9/11, the American people have been terrified -- and thus irrational -- based upon the trauma of the vicious attacks. Since most Americans believe that the bad guys are "out there" and are about to get us unless we have a strong leader to fight them, they will not and CANNOT make any logical decisions about any other foreign or domestic issues -- including withdrawal from Iraq -- until "we get the bad guys".

Indeed, the WMD hoax probably would not have worked if it wasn't for the anti-Arab hysteria after September 11th. And the government policy of torture would not have been tolerated if we weren't misled into thinking that Saddam and Al-Qaeda had formed an unholy, all-powerful alliance on 9/11, and had to be stopped at any costs. Thus, the Saddam-911 deception was necessarily a precursor to the administration's WMD lies and torture policies.


How about war with Iran? That's an important issue for liberals, isn't it? Well, Americans are still terrified about Arabs with weapons. Moreover, since Americans are still largely ignorant about the use of "false flag operations" by governments to justify wars, Americans will fall for a faked provocation. What am I talking about? Well, a former National Security Adviser told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify war against that nation. Similarly, a current Republican Congressman has said "a contrived Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran". And a member of the British Parliament stated that "there is a very real danger" that the American government will stage a false flag terror attack in order to justify war against Iran and to gain complete control domestically.

In other words, if 9/11 was, in fact, a false flag operation, and that fact is not exposed by the left, then that will enable the neoconservatives to use another faked terror incident in order to justify a war against Iran.

Thus, 9/11 is central for those interested in peace.

I Spy

The Bush administration is also using 9/11 as an excuse for domestic spying without warrant, and will use 9/11 as an excuse for every other unconstitutional, undemocratic, unAmerican destruction of civil liberties which it takes.

The Reality Based Community?

Liberals proudly proclaim the superiority of rationality over propaganda, blind passion and illogic. Right?

If you spend even 5 minutes looking at how completely the government investigations into 9/11 have failed to meet even basic tests of rationality, you will realize that liberals must demand a new, impartial investigation.

Other Liberal Causes

What about other traditional liberal causes? What about global warming? Women's rights? Gay rights? Helping the poor? Other liberal causes? Well, as a blogger from the University of Winnipeg in Canada says:

"[failing to fully address what really happened on 9/11] will only serve to undermine all they would otherwise hope to accomplish -- in terms of the environment and social equity -- and for one fundamental reason: ... it is the war on terror that is the primary "displacement activity" burying progressive causes, not 911 skepticism.

The war on terror is such a potent metanarrative that it is driving a host of policy decisions -- even in an otherwise progressive nation as Canada -- that are sucking resources away from human needs, ecological conservation, climate change prevention and adaptation, poverty alleviation and peacemaking. Until this metanarrative is dismantled and revealed for the lethal and cynical fraud it is and always has been, causes supported by progressives will never be properly addressed.

9/11 may not have changed everything, but until this controversy can be openly addressed in the media and through a more objective investigation, we may be unable to change anything."

Imagine, if you would, that you were a citizen in Germany right after the Reichstag fire had occurred. As you might know, the Reichstag fire was the burning down of the German parliament building by Hitler's men, which was then blamed on the communists in order to justify wars against neighboring countries. Do you believe you could have stopped the government from torturing communists after the Reichstag fire, by convincing people that Germans were a generous and good people who do not torture others? Do you think that you could have prevented the spread of disinformation about the hostile intentions and military capabilities of other countries by reminding Germans that war is bad and peace is good? Do you imagine you could have stopped the brownshirts and loss of domestic rights by writing about the desirability of civil liberties?

Of course not! The German people were whipped up into a state of hysteria and fear, because they thought they were under attack by communists, and Poles, and "bad guys" in general. The German's were in shock, and rallied around their "strong" leader. Without first exposing that the Reichstag fire and Operation Himmler - the two things which were the source and root cause of the German people's fears, and which allowed the German parliament and other institutions to hand Hitler total power -- the sweeping away of liberal causes by the wave of fear could not be stopped.

Similarly, Americans are crazed by the fear of Arab terrorists just like Germans were terrified of communist and Polish terrorists. Both peoples have handed over all of their power to their leaders in order to buy an imaginary security.

The Nazis might have been brought to justice well before the Nuremberg trials if the Reichstag hoax had been exposed at the time. The German people could have been spared from the horrors inflicted on their nation and the world by the Nazis. And sanity and liberal values could have been saved in 1940's-era Germany.

As stated by a well-known liberal, George Santayana, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

That being the case

then these people should come out and say, "Look, we don't agree with the lunatic fringe -- those who promote untestable theories about global cabals, secret societies, and whatever -- but we do believe 9/11 was never properly investigated, and we demand a proper investigation of all the facts."

Instead, the people you mention seem to be running for cover, or issuing ambiguous statements of non-commitment.

Some may actually be saying it

Dan Ellsberg at least is on record saying this, at the Patriotsquestion911 site here.

You are already aware of that site presumably. It keeps growing. Eventually this has to start mattering, how many reputable people are on record with serious misgivings about the official fairy-tale.

I have had luck alerting several left-leaning people, some of them well-known, to the growing ranks of prominent people saying this. It helps. It takes the matter out of the nut-case category, in their minds.

Unfortunately, 9-11 truth still sounds like nut-case stuff to a great many people. Isn't that your experience, even now? It is our job to make it reputable. At times I find it lonely. But lately I have had very good effect with a low-key approach. I will tell about it soon, in a blog entry here.

What ails the left

I have been politically aware for 38 years now. Throughout that time, the left has had the same insoluble problem. There is a grassroots world of sane sincere people who lean left. However, they get their information and guidance from supposedly center left figures in the MSM and elite foundation supported "alternative" media. The public "leftists" are mainly shills, and always have been.

There is no point in waiting for counterpunch, the guardian, the nation, in these times, or Zmag to come around. Forget buzzflash, salon, slate, raw story, and kos as well. The well meaning people on the left need to be freed from their handlers.

you're right

The more influence progressives have is simply a reflection of the amount of influence they are allowed to have.

However, the Internet has changed the equation somewhat. Hence, 9/11 Truth. That's what really burns people like Monbiot: no one asked for his opinion on 9/11. We all shared resources online, which produced a collective revelation. No gentrified leftists required.

I know this has been said a thousand times before, but I think we really need to devote more thought to organization and strategy. That aside, and aside from a mass street protest in the next six months, my guess is Loose Change Final Cut is our last chance for change. It had better be good.

I think it's a mistake to

I think it's a mistake to hold out hope that any given movie, book, or article will be the one thing that makes the difference. It's the combined effect that makes the difference, and not just the combined effect of the alternative media presentations, but more important also the combined effect of so many people speaking their minds.

and you are too

Simuvac i think you make a good point about the resentment that some of these leftists feel about not being needed in the current climate. The resentment is palpable, and i'm sure offputting even to his admirers, in Monbiot's Guardian article. Many of these people have made a name for themselves over the years digging out and putting together obscure reports that don't get major media coverage. You didn't have to be an intellectual giant or a great theoretical synthesist to do that even before the internet (though it did require a good deal of committment). But now anyone with an average level of intelligence can do it armed only with a mouse and an internet connection. So the skills of these self-taught archeologists of the minor media outlets are not nearly so valuable anymore. And some of them just can't stand it.

Something similar has happened in the medical community as a result of the democratization of knowledge that the internet has made possible. Fifteen years ago the lay community treated their doctors with awe and held them to be keepers of an esoteric knowledge to which lay people could never gain access. But now, any reasonably savvy person with a complicated medical illness can, with a few days of internet research, know as much as their gp about the conventional flowchart of standard drug interventions. And with a bit more research, possibly much more about natural and alternative approaches. A few doctors are happy to discuss treatment strategies. But most, pining for the good old days when they had privileged access to medical lore, condescend with their accustomed arrogance to patients who try to bring aspects of their own research to the discussion.

People like Monbiot have a similar attitude to "ignorant laypeople" who think they can go around unearthing inconvenient facts on the fringes of the media, and put forward alternative interpretations of current events. The attitude is: you don't have the requisite expertise to make any meaningful contribution to the discussion. Now, its certainly possible to imagine a situation where the democratization of knowledge has been taken too far. There will always be experts who are on the cutting edge of research in every field. And three days on the internet don't qualify me to be a physician, even to myself. Even in the medical field, however, the democratization of knowledge can be a beneficial and invigorating phenomenon if treated carefully and within certain bounds. But left liberal commentators bring no particular expertise other than general intelligence and a hope for justice to their pursuit of an overarching understanding of the contemporary socio-politico-cultural scene. They have less excuse for monopolistic pretensions than medical doctors. After all, everyone has an equal interest (and everyone with average intelligence has a general competency) in understanding the social situation that determines their prospects for happiness. There is far less need for experts to force on us interpetations of our contemporary political and cultural situation that don't fit the facts as we see them (though experts can help us to refine our understanding). Monbiot and his ilk (and Chomsky is certainly one of them) should embrace the democratization of world-view construction and stop pining after the days when their archeological skills made them more unique and valuable to the disenfranchised than they are now.

Maybe it's like child abuse?

Hey, Joe, I liked reading your analysis here.

Another point strikes me about why otherwise smart people shun learning anything about 9-11. It looks for all the world as though people do not want to know.

It reminds me of when I worked at a primary school. A kid was coming to school every day with fresh black-and-blue marks over his body. His parents or whoever it was at home were clearly beating him. But he denied that and continually said wonderful things about his parents. He could not admit the truth without his whole sense of reality falling apart.

If this analogy fits the 9-11 situation, then we might do well to fit our strategy around it. I am stumped about that, and hope you or someone else here can suggest a direction to go -- again, assuming my own analogy fits this situation.

It is not the kid's

It is not the kid's responsibity to admit anything--it is the adults responsibility to intervene.

Tell me the cops, or CSD was called--please. I've intervened in similar situations--THERE IS NO EXCUSE for adults who know better not to do something.

I would say this is different from adults in denial--the adults have the power to do something--if only admit the truth--but they do nothing.

So maybe it is like child-abuse--but compare these people to the ADULTS who do nothing--not the child. >:(

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.


Jenny, as I remember, the Principal did do something official about it -- can't say what but it was probably the best he (yes, he) could.

And that's where the analogy falls apart, vis-a-vis 9-11.

I don't think its got much

I don't think its got much to do with these guys being afraid of their sense of reality falling apart, at least in the psychoanalytic sense that they're unconsciously repressing facts that they aren't psychologically equipped to process. Its hardly as if Chomsky, Monbiot and the rest have a rose-tinted picture of the contemporary scene! Its got more to do with their determination to protect their own intellectual turf. They believe their (very valid) institutional analyses of injustice justify them in ruling out the possibility of high level conspiracy a priori (without even considering the supposed evidence). Because they've somehow convinced themselves that even limited high level conspiracy is incompatible with understanding how injustice is institutionalized in a complex of transparent bureauratic roles that reproduce inequalities of wealth and power without anyone ever breaking any laws (Ralph Schoenburg has gone some way toward showing how there is no necessary incompatibility here). I think they also feel as if its a slippery slope from limited high level conspiracy to whacked out conspiricism of the David Icke variety. But most important, they honestly can't believe that such an operation could be coordinated without even one of the conspirators spilling the beans, even in an anonymous way that protects their identity. And i truly think, if we're being honest with ourselves, that that problem should give all of us pause from time to time. Because it IS hard to understand without falling prey to X-files flavoured conspiricism. Particularly as the movement becomes more widespread and picks up steam...

The problem of nobody spilling the beans

Joe, you say "that problem should give all of us pause from time to time." I agree. How could this keep working so well?

I hope it starts to change now that there is more MSM coverage, just starting. Maybe the time just hasn't ripened up until now.

I wrote my A Call For Confession here to try to help this happen. We do what we can.

Waiting won't work

Alex, you say, "There is no point in waiting for counterpunch, the guardian, the nation, in these times, or Zmag to come around. Forget buzzflash, salon, slate, raw story, and kos as well."

That is true. Waiting won't work.

Watch this and comment!

A perfect case of Denial or
the Psychoses of warren25smash

this guy

is a nut.

Useful Idiot

He saw the BBC *hit peice and took all his talking points from Guy Smith basically. What's amazing is how many peopl 95% are calling him on his bs , articulately.

Yes, I believe that does fit the definition of a RANT

But me- can't help but think--he doth protest too much! Do people secure in the validity of their own understanding of events usually get this worked up?

By the way, if he was responding to a candidate's statements in a debate from last year's elections, does that mean this rant video would have come out soon afterward, and has really been out since last fall?


what a loon. The argument that 9/11 Truth is 'taking away' from more 'important causes' is an argument based on jealousy. This guy will say that no one is buying 9/11 truth and then claim that 9/11 truth is diverting so much attention from what he perceives as 'more important' issues.

He's jealous because 9/11 truth has a semblance of organization and solidarity.

Personally, I don't know what to think about 9/11 (regarding planes, collapses etc..) but i know the shit hasn't been investigated or explained. End of game!

This guy is a loon and his lunatic antics far outweigh the lunacy he claims makes up the 9/11 Truth movement.

Can't Stop 9/11 Fever


"9/11 is a distraction from the fight for liberal causes."
That's like sayin that the fight against apartheid was a distraction from the fight for liberal causes in South Africa. Same injustice, different generation.

Honored to have you here,

Honored to have you here, you and your brother are doing great work , I like how Paul ripped apart Guy (Winston) Smith on air the other day.
I too was inspired by the responses to warren's blindness , abreath of rational fresh air . Warren is very popular on youtube beleive it or not and his vids garner lots of comments.

You have him confused with

You have him confused with Paul Joseph Watson and Steve Watson.

I'm surprised you are even

I'm surprised you are even allowed back, will you be issuing a public apology for your recent comments about this site?

911Blogger is an insult to the 911 victims.
I have 'had it' with that place.
I shall never again let it defile my computer screen with its lies.
Whatever they write about me, I shall not read it.
It is , quite simply, a counter-intelligence vehicle.
End of story.

UK press up-date

Check out today's article in the Scottish "Daily Record" newspaper: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion/columnists/showbiz/paulenglish/tm_m....

The Left has a problem

And it is the perception that people have to be categorized as not conservative. So this is being narrow minded on their part, and stupid, for somehow they have associated 9/11 in a conservative manner. Apparently blowback is a left, liberal category. I would just like to say to them: Why don't you "leftists" quit worrying and feeling envious, putting labels on opinions and just realize the truth is neither conservative or liberal, left or right, it is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. That is what We are looking for, if that is something they can't understand then they should not be involved in any kind of media, period.
They can just sit back and whine to themselves.
By the way, good to see you back Andrew. Wiser and more focused; is the left gonna be angry with you now? lol

Check this out

The "left" is trying to get us on their side, instead of vice versa. We must be winning now.

An Appeal to 9/11 Conspiracy Buffs
by Peter Michaelson

"Can we persuade conspiracy buffs to drop their 9/11 speculations and join forces with the legions of the left? It would certainly be advantageous to have them by our side as we struggle to defeat our common foes on the right."

full story: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_peter_mi_070222_an_appeal_to_9_2...

An Appeal to the anti-war movement

So many of the hard-core lefty anti-war people just don't get it. They just don't get it, even if I explain it to them clearly. Heck, they know the neo-cons exploited 9/11, and are willing to admit that they covered up so much of 9/11. So what the heck are they so afraid of?

And now I know WHY they don't get it. We in the 9/11 truth movement come from all walks of life. All kinds of people are here: the so-called left, the so-called right, the center, doctors, lawyers, scientists, actors, average people...

The "left" who STILL don't get it, they think the enemy is the "right". Man, talk about a limited view of the world.

Note: If I knew then what I know now, I would not link to st911.org. Back then, I thought Steven Jones was co-head of it, when Fetzer just put him in there for a good face, while Fetzer ran away with more unsubstantiated theories.

Maybe the most annoying thing

about these gatekeeper hit-pieces is this assumption that 9/11 truth activists have somehow not been involved in all the many protests of recent years, and need to be 'won over' to 'join' 'their' cause. What smug, patronizing claptrap! How many rallies and marches have people on this and other 9/11 sites taken part in over the past 5 1/2 years?! How many petitions signed, how many letters written to editors and legislators, protesting all the many crimes and deceptions of the Bush-Blair governments are represented by participants on this site?! We've been among them all along, and they ignored our views on 9/11 for as long as they were able, and now that they're forced to acknowledge our existence, they act as if we've been AWOL on all these issues--as if believers in the official 'blowback' theory of 9/11 have--and always have had--a monopoly on opposition to the Iraq occupation and the Patriot Act!

I know, I know--I really shouldn't get angry because the fact that they feel compelled to come out with all these condescending hit-pieces is proof of the progress we've made in the face of great obstacles. This latest article simply amounts to another note in the swan song of desperation.

You're not alone, rm:

This crap has soundly infuriated many of us.

I have to work hard keeping in check, the urge to pop my lefty-liberal friends in the nose for suggesting that I've wasted my time, just as resisting the urge to neck-lock my righteous-righty friends completely out to lunch on the concept of inequity-blow-back.

Let alone, getting either to pull their heads out of the ass of politics as usual.

anti-war lefties

I think the dilemma we have here is that there are a lot of people, conservative anf liberal, who simply can't get their head's around the fact that 9/11 was an inside job, so naturally they are forced to believe that even the most sensible and level-headed of us Truthers must be delusional. I don't think it's a vindictive thing, more like a patronizing thing. Whereas you and I can look at the building 7 collapse and see controlled demolition, they aren't cynical enough to see the obvious. I wish I knew how to penetrate the wall but it's a lot like convincing someone that their religion is a farce.

another one

9/11 is NOT a right v left issue.

Many people on the right are disgusted with the government and its apparent treason on 9/11. Conservatives are not on board with high treason, nor even with their given excuse for what happened: "incompetence."

Apparently pundits on the left/center and right/center accept the premise of a "war on terror" without qualification. It is they who are the enemies of civilization at this point. A mindless war against a tactic with no possible way of ending is not just insane, criminal, corrupt and an abuse of the language. It's dangerous to life on earth.

The point of 9-11 was the response: the war on terror. Those who buy into it are contributing to the horrors of illegal invasions, bombings, torture, police state, and mass murder incorporated, the military industrial complex.

We need to delegitimise the "war on terror" and its proponents. It is a fraud, and that can be demonstrated. We need to provide a factual basis for challenging not just the legitimacy of the government, but the legitimacy of those who defend the government's arguments on global terrorism, September 11th and other state-sponsored false flag operations.

As they seek to deny us credibility and legitimacy, so too should be attack their credibility and legitimacy. This means doing your homework and tossing out specious, unsupportable claims.

September 11 is about JUSTICE, not politics. I find both parties complicit in treasonous crimes, and both major parties in need of overthrowing. Those parties have failed us, have accepted the imperial vision, flushed away the republic and are heinous traitors to everything they have sworn to defend and to uphold.

Their ignorant propaganda tools in the controlled left press are not on the side of justice. That much they have made clear. By ignoring the facts of 9/11 and attacking an entire movement in such crass vulgar terms, they have thrown away their own integrity and credibility. Fuck George Monbiot, David Corn, Matthew Rothschild, Popular Mechanics, Alternet, Joshua Holland, Matt Taibbi and the rest. They are not worth reading, and should be flushed out of popular culture. Boycott the bastards; smear them as they attempt to smear us.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

Well said.

"they seek to deny us credibility and legitimacy, so too should be attack their credibility and legitimacy."

I say let them limit their own emotions, beliefs and actions, while more and more people see that they have been lied to for a long time by those very same gatekeepers, who are not interested in the whole truth (and nothing but the truth).

Peace, justice and freedom can only be achieved if we are willing to think and act critically and give love to the people around us. All the left v. right messages are just distractions within a distraction. They are not interested in the whole truth, they want their Little Pony, and now they want to ride it wherever they can. Just don't disturb them with outrages "conspiracy theories" on how the government, corporations and religious cults are cooperating to try and enslave each and everyone of us, and thereby can leverage that power to wage imperialistic wars and to further implement the homeland regime.

Sovereignty of the body and the mind is something that no left/right groupthink can withstand. I don't care what the "left" or the "right" thinks. I care what I've found to be true (and plausible) by my own research and discussions. In the Internet age many more people are able to do this. And this is why there is genuine angst among those gatekeepers. All the negative publicity around genuine 9/11 activism, simply shows there is something there which they can't stand to just let it be.

The 9/11 awareness is shattering their Little Pony dreams, and leaving them with a broken image and a lot of homework.

Like my bumper sticker says....

The Right is wrong
The Left is stupid

the raving nut

Listening to this loon really caused me to stop and think: "Hey, I'm letting this loon waste my time"!!
Besides, when an orrator uses that kind of language...well, let's just say that I cease being his audience!
This site has been great....keep up the great work.